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Title: Russian Spies
Post by: tombogan03884 on July 02, 2010, 12:59:54 AM

Is any one else following this ?

http://news.yahoo.com/video/us-15749625/20652792

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/eu_cyprus_russia_spy_arrests

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100702/ap_on_re_us/us_russia_spy_arrests

The Cold war never ended.
and we are not winning.   >:(

Title: Re: Russian Spies
Post by: seeker_two on July 02, 2010, 05:16:37 AM

Nations spy on their "friends" just as much as they spy on their "enemies".....remember all the spies we caught working for Israel?.....

Just business as usual in spookdom....  8)

Title: Re: Russian Spies
Post by: ratcatcher55 on July 02, 2010, 08:40:27 AM

Quote from: seeker_two on July 02, 2010, 05:16:37 AM

Nations spy on their "friends" just as much as they spy on their "enemies".....remember all the spies we caught working for Israel?.....

Just business as usual in spookdom....  8)

Hey we don't spy on people. We collect intelligence ;D

Title: Re: Russian Spies
Post by: Timothy on July 02, 2010, 08:50:14 AM

Quote from: Timothy on June 18, 2010, 01:21:27 PM

Just my opinion and I will never trust a Russian for as long as I live!

From a previous discussion...

Title: Re: Russian Spies
Post by: tombogan03884 on July 02, 2010, 12:16:51 PM

When the KGB was divided into FSB (internal) and SVR (Foreign) People were fired, not replaced with "new blood".
Vladimir Putin, who is in fact, if not in name, the new Tzar, is a former KGB Officer.
Why on Earth any one would think that  people who for 3 generations have referred to the US as "the Main Adversary", would suddenly become our bestest buddies baffles the crap out of me.
British Intel put Russia back on the "Hostile Services" list in '01 or '02, right after Putin's visit  ;D
The flag may have changed but otherwise it is business as usual.

Title: Re: Russian Spies
Post by: fightingquaker13 on July 02, 2010, 08:19:11 PM

Question is, what exactly did these guys do that was illgeal? You have some on immigration fraud. Others, well they had cash and radios. Fine, is that illegal? Can you tie them to transferring classified data to a foriegn power? If not, you've got squat. I'm hoping there's more, but otherwise it sounds like those "domestic terrorism" cases Ashcroft brought out with a lot of fanfair that died with a whimper like the "Miami seven" and the "Dirty Bomber".
FQ13 who wonders "where's the beef"? What did they do?

Title: Re: Russian Spies
Post by: tombogan03884 on July 03, 2010, 01:15:59 AM

You amaze me FQ.

Title: Re: Russian Spies
Post by: fightingquaker13 on July 03, 2010, 01:23:57 AM

Quote from: tombogan03884 on July 03, 2010, 01:15:59 AM

You amaze me FQ.

Seriously, what have they done? Are they hostile? Yes/ maybe? Have they compromised security? Not so much (at least according to what has been released, more to follow I hope). Its just that I am skeptical of DOJ making grand announcements about about a threat stopped and then getting fuzzy on the details. Blame them, not me. I have no sympathy for spies. I have less for prosecuters who want to try their case in the court of public opinion because they know they can't win in court. I ask again, where is the beef? Or is this win Ho Lee round 2? If they are spies shoot them. If they are DOJ functionaries playing a game of CYA, well, shoot them.
FQ13