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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Ichiban on September 27, 2016, 06:23:20 PM
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All I can say is "Wow."
37-year old Lisa Harris saved the lives of multiple people after using her concealed carry pistol to take down a department store shooter in Virginia.
As no good deed goes unpunished...
A representative from the store told reporters, “We offer our most sincere condolences for the incident our customer and employees endured this evening. We are grateful for the assistance provided by Mrs. Harris, however, once the dust settles, we may be required to pursue legal action regarding her violation of Bradford’s gun free zone policy. Tonight’s tragedy has reinforced our stance on gun violence and we will continue to lobby for stricter gun control within our great nation.”
Full story here: http://thebostontribune.com/woman-with-concealed-carry-permit-saves-multiple-lives-after-stopping-department-store-shooter/ (http://thebostontribune.com/woman-with-concealed-carry-permit-saves-multiple-lives-after-stopping-department-store-shooter/)
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They just proved that gun control doesn't work and CCW does so they're going to lobby for more gun control. If that's not insanity I don't know what is.
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In most states the only legal action open to them is to ask her not to come back.
There have been several incidents where citizens saved lives by ignoring GFZ's.
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I have a feeling like there is more then being reported.
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It seems to me that there is someone that hangs around here who believes that businesses SHOULD have this right ::)
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I've ignored a few... All they can do is ask me to leave.
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I walk past them every day - Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, North and South Dakota, Wisconsin, even Chicago. There are many sayings addressing this, but I won't go down that road.
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New England is a nightmare..
Vermont - Constitutional Carry for residents and non residents.
Maine - Constitutional carry for residents and non residents.
Rhode Island - OK to traverse through the midget state as long as you don't "loiter".
New Hampshire - OK for out of state CCW and out of state CCW but screwed if not unless it's openly carried.
Massapoopshits - OK for LTC holders, felony's for all the rest unless it's for competition.
New York - pretty much phuqued
CT - in process for out of state CCW.
PA - OK since my NH and MA permits carry over.
I can travel to all of these states in less than an hour from where I live and I now work in CT.
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It seems to me that there is someone that hangs around here who believes that businesses SHOULD have this right ::)
what if she accidentally hit any employee? who is pays for that? what if she escalated a simple robbery into a gun fight? what if she discharged an entire mag and did 100k worth in damage?
like it or not, the business owner is the one that eats it.
how many of us could come up with 250k? or 1 million?
I am still not buying that every thing has been disclosed in that article. it happens all the time with so called news media.
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I walk past them every day - Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, North and South Dakota, Wisconsin, even Chicago. There are many sayings addressing this, but I won't go down that road.
which is why I like the texas 30.06 law, it actually gives a sign weight.
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What if she escalated a simple robbery into a gun fight?
This wasn't a simple robbery. The gun fighting had already begun.
I agree that all has probably not been exposed.
I wondering who was this bad-a.. lady? I'd speculate there was more to her than just an average Jane Doe out to pick up a few diapers for the kiddies. A lot more.
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A customer chooses to act rather than run, and she prevents a blood bath in your store. You should be hugging her, giving her huge discounts for life, and promising to review your policy that attempts to strip our rights.
TAB, this was a customer who chose to ignore the signs. The store carries no liability, and it is their strong anti-gun stance that is pleased to put this in the spotlight and make hay.
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which is why I like the texas 30.06 law, it actually gives a sign weight.
Minnesota has this in their Carry Law. It is meaningless. If I am known to be carrying, and I have been notified it is not approved of, and I don't leave, the law is called, and I get a $25 fine. Whoooopie Ding!
You can what if this all you want, but the fact is that she acted and saved lives. She stopped a dangerous criminal. And, she saved us all a lot of wasted tax money.
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A customer chooses to act rather than run, and she prevents a blood bath in your store. You should be hugging her, giving her huge discounts for life, and promising to review your policy that attempts to strip our rights.
TAB, this was a customer who chose to ignore the signs. The store carries no liability, and it is their strong anti-gun stance that is pleased to put this in the spotlight and make hay.
trust me you still pay and its not cheap. I my industry. It takes some one about 5 years.to break even with them and qbout 10 before they make you money. Who pays for that?
We don't know what happened. Until we do I will always side with the person that has the liabilty. Its that simple.
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Minnesota has this in their Carry Law. It is meaningless. If I am known to be carrying, and I have been notified it is not approved of, and I don't leave, the law is called, and I get a $25 fine. Whoooopie Ding!
You can what if this all you want, but the fact is that she acted and saved lives. She stopped a dangerous criminal. And, she saved us all a lot of wasted tax money.
in texas you have committed misdemeanor trespassing by passing a sign. Its no joke there. The fines are not big 200, but you do lose your chl, which is a big deal. Like it or not it is a law that is fair to both sides.
We don't know the facts, all we know is what some one said happened. Given how bad left and right media are these days I trust nothing that comes from them.
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TAB, what part of "Shall not be infringed" don't you get ?
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TAB, what part of "Shall not be infringed" don't you get ?
100%
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in texas you have committed misdemeanor trespassing by passing a sign. Its no joke there. The fines are not big 200, but you do lose your chl, which is a big deal. Like it or not it is a law that is fair to both sides.
Exactly like Minnesota, only with a slightly larger fine. However, read the law, if you leave when they ask there is no crime.
I will continue to shop at some stores that post, but if I am ever pushed, like Applebee's did one day, I will never go back and my entire world will know the wrong committed by the business.
Your stance also brings back the point that many have promised: If we are ever in a business where arms are banned, and there is an attack, and we are harmed in any way, there will be a multi-million dollar lawsuit against that store for stripping our rights and allowing us to be harmed.
By the way TAB, how do you justify in your head the support of laws that do not allow stripping of rights from some people, but then support laws like 30.06 that strips rights from law abiding citizens?
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I completely ignore any sign that say's I cannot carry on the premises. I'm not about to give up, not only liberty, along with the RIGHT to defend myself, just to satisfy some idiots political, anti gun views. If that place ends up being so completely stupid as to take legal action against that woman, after all the lives she saved, they'll be in for a media $h!t storm of epic proportions. Especially with the election we've got going on. Remember the whole Chick-fil-A fiasco, along with the woman who banned Muslims from her shooting range? It all ended up backfiring on the liberals who made the stink in the first place.
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If there's no manned metal detector it isn't a GFZ.
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If there's no manned metal detector it isn't a GFZ.
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This.
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Exactly like Minnesota, only with a slightly larger fine. However, read the law, if you leave when they ask there is no crime.
I will continue to shop at some stores that post, but if I am ever pushed, like Applebee's did one day, I will never go back and my entire world will know the wrong committed by the business.
Your stance also brings back the point that many have promised: If we are ever in a business where arms are banned, and there is an attack, and we are harmed in any way, there will be a multi-million dollar lawsuit against that store for stripping our rights and allowing us to be harmed.
By the way TAB, how do you justify in your head the support of laws that do not allow stripping of rights from some people, but then support laws like 30.06 that strips rights from law abiding citizens?
read the law, it is a class c if you walk past it and a class a if you are verbally told/ don't leave.
The us cons does not apply to private business. Fact is, if some one gets hurt on the job, even if its thier fuaot(come back from lunch drunk for example) you pay. If you have ever delt with workmens comp form the employer side, it would open your eyes.
No one will ever win a lawsuit against a business owner for having a no gun sign,l. You would have to prove in court that you could have defended yourself and they removed this thruough negligence. The fact that you knew that had a no gun sign an you disarmed to go there already lost you the case.
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If there's no manned metal detector it isn't a GFZ.
one of the projects I have on the books for next year is doing a bunch of installation of metal detectors for a nation wide hunting and fishing store.... they seem to be having issues with people Bringing guns into the store to buy accessories, only not checking them at the front desk like they are asked too. The systems are designed to let them know if you may have.a fire arm so an employee can approach you and ask if you need assistance. The speel I got from thier corpate office was they kept finding guns in cases on the shelf.
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TAB is aperfect example of how Massholes and Californicators infected the surrounding states.
They screw up their own states then leave because they don't like the results, then they start demanding the same stupid crap they fled in the first place.
Exactly like illegal aliens.
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Gander Mountain is one of our local sgs. I'm not sure how widespread they are but there are several stores locally. They have a sign that states any firearm brought in shall be checked at the front desk, CCW excluded. They want control of any firearm brought in for repair only. That being said, I would most certainly take an AR to the front desk just to show them it was clear if I was taking it in to buy a scope or electronic sight but they do not care if I am carrying concealed.
FWIW
Richard
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Actually the states I am installing those metal dectors in are id,co,mo and az. All very gun friendly. Just apparently forgetful.
Not really tom, my stance on business owners having no gun signs stems from me working as a boomer in 48 states and hqving to deal with workmens comp claims in 17. Once I saw the raw numbers of what even a small claim cost, it drasticly changed my mind and yes one envoled an nd through an through on a guy... who could not legally be terminated, until after all his medical was covered. Happened in nm. Long story short, dummy had gun on, pulled it out too show buddy, put his finger on the trigger and reholsterd.
Dealing with that as just a formen(don't even want to think of what hr went through) is what changed my mind. Before that I was 100% you can not have no gun signs, now I would not wish that shit on walmart. I spent 500+ hours that year working onthat shit. That was 40k. In just what it cost for me to do that for the employer, if you count loss of my production on site it was an easy 100k for just me.
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It's none of your business what's under my clothes whether it's your property or not.
Might as well have a sign demanding to know the length of my dick.
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It's none of your business what's under my clothes whether it's your property or not.
Might as well have a sign demanding to know the length of my dick.
Actually, if it was made a requirement to enter you could. A trend I am seeing in higher end restaurants. Is to turn in your phone at the door. Frankly, this is our fualt.... dumb asses don't know what vibrate or mute is.... sadly its the same with guns, a few idiots f..k it up for the rest of us....
1st one I saw that required you to check your phone was in vegas, but I have also seen them in Washington ,the east coast and idaho of all places.
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Gander Mountain is one of our local sgs. I'm not sure how widespread they are but there are several stores locally. They have a sign that states any firearm brought in shall be checked at the front desk, CCW excluded. They want control of any firearm brought in for repair only. That being said, I would most certainly take an AR to the front desk just to show them it was clear if I was taking it in to buy a scope or electronic sight but they do not care if I am carrying concealed.
FWIW
Richard
This is what I see at all Ganders in the upper Midwest.
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TAB,
Your reading comprehension is so bad I don't know how you compete in the bid process. What part of these laws do you not understand? I read Texas 30.06, I I see no fundemental difference.
By the way, do you ban wheel chairs from your places of business? What if a careless cripple bumps someone.
Glad you enjoy the land of fruits and nuts.
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read the version as of jan 1 2016 reread it... I bold some important texts so yes, a sign is enough and the punishment increases if you do not leave.
<Text of (a) effective until January 1, 2016> (a) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder: (1) carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, [FN1] on property of another without effective consent; and (2) received notice that: (A) entry on the property by a license holder with a concealed handgun was forbidden; or (B) remaining on the property with a concealed handgun was forbidden and failed to depart. <Text of (a) effective January 1, 2016> (a) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder: (1) carries a concealed handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, [FN1] on property of another without effective consent; and (2) received notice that:(A) entry on the property by a license holder with a concealed handgun was forbidden; or(B) remaining on the property with a concealed handgun was forbidden and failed to depart. (b) For purposes of this section, a person receives notice if the owner of the property or someone with apparent authority to act for the owner provides notice to the person by oral or written communication. (c) In this section: (1) “Entry” has the meaning assigned by Section 30.05(b). (2) “License holder” has the meaning assigned by Section 46.035(f). (3) “Written communication” means: <Text of (c)(3)(A) effective until Jan. 1, 2016> (A) a card or other document on which is written language identical to the following: “Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by holder of license to carry a concealed handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (concealed handgun law), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun”; or <Text of (c)(3)(A) effective Jan. 1, 2016> (A) a card or other document on which is written language identical to the following: “Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by license holder withof license to carry a concealed handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (concealed handgun licensing law), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun”; or (B) a sign posted on the property that: (i) includes the language described by Paragraph (A) in both English and Spanish; (ii) appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch in height; and (iii) is displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public. <Text of (d) effective until January 1, 2016> (d) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor. <Text of (d) effective January 1, 2016> (d) An offense under this section is a Class C misdemeanor punishable by a fine not to exceed $200, except that the offense is a Class A misdemeanor if it is shown on the trial of the offense that, after entering the property, the license holder was personally given the notice by oral communication described by Subsection (b) and subsequently failed to depart. (e) It is an exception to the application of this section that the property on which the license holder carries a handgun is owned or leased by a governmental entity and is not a premises or other place on which the license holder is prohibited from carrying the handgun under Section 46.03 or 46.035. - See more at: http://codes.findlaw.com/tx/penal-code/penal-sect-30-06.html#sthash.eAlKEcn9.dpuf
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TILL 1/1/16 not "as of"
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TILL 1/1/16 not "as of"
"as of" or "until..."
Picky, picky, picky. ;D
Crusader Rabbit
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It's a waste of time because TAB is stuck in his regulation rut.
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Tennessee got it moving...more states need to catch on:
http://bearingarms.com/jenn-j/2016/06/28/want-a-gun-free-zone-tennessee-says-thats-on-you-literally/
http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/07/04/gun-free-zone-tennessee-business-liable-disarming-concealed-carry-holders
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I go back to comprehension: TAB just doesn't understand plain English. Beyond that, he is an anti (gun, ferrdom, Constitution) zealot. Trading your freedoms for fear of lawsuit falls right in line with trading them for a false sense of security.
Since you fear lawsuits so deeply, TAB, are you well prepared to shell out when someone you have stripped of self defense is harmed?
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TAB,
Check out Michael Bane's comments on a former American Rifleman writer and his support of Hillary for President. Think of all that can go wrong there, and compare it to where your thinking takes us.
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Besides, the 30.06 clearly states that if you're informed of the signage and you LEAVE the premises, you're good to go and no charges would be forthcoming.
Big deal...
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Fortunately I, and TAB, live in Oregon where we can carry ANYWHERE but a Federal building and a courthouse. The signs don't carry any weight, the only recourse any business has is to ask you to leave if they think you have violated their policy. If you don't leave you can be charged with Tresspass with a firearm. As for employees, I don't think you are resonsible for recklessness or willful misconduct (like violating a company policy of shooting oneself in the buttocks). http://www.adamsdrafting.com/negligence-and-gross-negligence/ (http://www.adamsdrafting.com/negligence-and-gross-negligence/)
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Fortunately I, and TAB, live in Oregon where we can carry ANYWHERE but a Federal building and a courthouse. The signs don't carry any weight, the only recourse any business has is to ask you to leave if they think you have violated their policy. If you don't leave you can be charged with Tresspass with a firearm. As for employees, I don't think you are resonsible for recklessness or willful misconduct (like violating a company policy of shooting oneself in the buttocks). http://www.adamsdrafting.com/negligence-and-gross-negligence/ (http://www.adamsdrafting.com/negligence-and-gross-negligence/)
Georgia is very similar, but now we can carry in municipal buildings (including courthouses) if there is not a manned metal detector. As soon as the law passed, our county administration building and courthouse installed detectors and pay SO deputies to man them during business hours.
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Hell, I live in the eastern Peoples Republic here in Massapoopshits..
I carry everywhere except where I cannot due to federal or state properties, not counting Federal or state parks. I've seen one sign in 10 years at Toy-R-Us..
I went in anyway...pffffttt...
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Hell, I live in the eastern Peoples Republic here in Massapoopshits..
I carry everywhere except where I cannot due to federal or state properties, not counting Federal or state parks. I've seen one sign in 10 years at Toy-R-Us..
I went in anyway...pffffttt...
Georgia state parks follow state CCW laws, so I'm good. The only areas that are no-no's are the Corp of Engineer areas.
They are building a Buffalo Wild Wings restaurant in our local town.....they are one of those places that flaunts their "NO GUN" stance and put the signs on the doors.....I have never set foot in one, and will not.
One place where I might have to go whether I want to or not, like our hospital, has a small "Weapons Free Campus" sticker on all the main entry doors....ask me if I pay attention to that sign.
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See I just don't go to the no gun sign places... voting with your wallet is a powerfull tool.
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I work fifty hours a week...my wallets empty!
Phuque 'em..
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See I just don't go to the no gun sign places... voting with your wallet is a powerfull tool.
While I do agree with this statement, and I do go out of my way not to patronize establishments with known "no gun" policies, sometimes it can't be avoided....when my dad was in the ER dying with heart failure, the last thing on my mind was stopping to disarm before entering.
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While I do agree with this statement, and I do go out of my way not to patronize establishments with known "no gun" policies, sometimes it can't be avoided....when my dad was in the ER dying with heart failure, the last thing on my mind was stopping to disarm before entering.
the er is a place no one wants to go and you don't have a choice. But burger joint xyz or department store abc is.
I do see walking past a no gun sign "because it has not weight of law" as a huge disrespect to the business owner and to the whole notion of being a law abiding citizen. Let alone the golden rule. Just don't go there and be vocal about it. Yes, I know its harder to stand up for your principles, but some times in life you have to take that stand. There is a local lumber yard that took issue with me having my ar in the gun rack of my truck. Guess what, they don't get my 100k+ a year in purchases any more. I told the owner exactly why and every single contractor I know about it. Funny thing, the big local home builder stopped get it from there too... I have also ran into several of thier former employees working other places, turns out they are struggling after thier largest customer, pulled his account(big local home builder).
If you want to get rid of no gun signs there are 2'things you must do.
1 viote with your wallet and be vocal about it, to them and every one you know.
2 talk too your reps aboutlimiting liability to business owners and making it easier to recover funds from people that due stupid things with thier ccw(about once a month some news agency runs an article about some one shooting a toilet or the like.)
You have too do both.
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Huge disrespect to the business owner??? What about his blatant Kapernicking our Civil Rights?
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Huge disrespect to the business owner??? What about his blatant Kapernicking our Civil Rights?
do you have 1 million liquid to pay for your mistake? Like I said abouth once a month some one runs a story about a nd from a ccw holder in a store. A bullet thru a toilet can cost several thousand. It happens way too often.
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Do you have a million to pay when some one in a wheel chair injures someone on your property?
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I could pay 5 actually.
But the point is I have to pay, not the person that did the dumb thing
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So you have no problem with that person in a wheelchair in your business, but you will deny me?
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yes, because the wheel chair is needed for mobility, a gun is not.
you know better, that's a straw man and you know it.
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I don't want gays or transgenders in my business because they increase the chances that some one will be inured in a cat fight, or sex assault in the mixed bathroom.
(There's the liability risk for TAB)
Now let's see what happens if you put up a "Gay free Zone" sign.
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I jumped down this rabbit hole, because it is fun to expose TAB for the anti-gunner he is. Freedom isn't free, and it is not just our current and veteran military that fights for freedom. Each of us must take the bull by the horns and protect what we have been given and our Founding Fathers attempted to protect. TAB is an example of the weenies who will trade these freedoms for something else, and they are the greatest danger to our great nation in the long run.
TAB, your comment about wheelchairs and mobility is the exact same as those who compare guns to cars. They claim that cars serve a purpose in our daily survival and are a necessary part of life. They go on to the long list of regulations and requirements for owning and operating vehicles, and insist we must have the same and more for the gun, which is not needed for daily survival in our society.
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I'll give TAB the benefit of being an example of conditioning.
Due to a life time of suggestion he doesn't see that his opinion is wrong and can't process the arguments against it.
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TAB should put more effort into reducing or fighting the regulation on liability to a business owner with his millions rather than bow to the industry that created those regulations, Congress!
As far as shooting toilets, there must be a whole lotta stupid people on the west coast...
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It's in proportion to population.
My Drill Instructor used to say that " 10% never get the word" never found a reason to disagree with that proportion. Except thinking it's low.
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This nation, along with it's off the chart political correctness, has become obsessed with, "becoming liable". No other nation on Earth is as over insured as this one is. It's why 2/3rds of the nations cash is controlled by insurance companies. They sell an invisible "commodity". Liberalism, along with an obsession for lawyers and insurance is the reason why. This thread proves it.
It reminds me of the end of "Rocky 5", when Stallone was going to punch out the black guy's lights. He recoils, and immediately shouts... "I'll sue!!" To a liberal, a CCW consists of a lawyers business card.
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With my last few jobs I have had too much time to watch tv and listen to the radio at different times during the day. The ads for class action lawsuits and settlement dollars are disgusting. One of the worst I have heard lately is for cash settlement for people who received cancer treatment, and the chemo that saved them caused them to not only lose their hair but to remain bald or with thin hair.
I had surgery to remove my gallbladder several years ago. The surgeon was well regarded by many surgeons in our area. I even asked my doctor/surgeon if he would do the surgery, and he told me the other guy was far better. Before you go in you sign the standard forms that explain the possible complications and risks. A few years later I read that this surgeon it both under investigation by the state board and involved with lawsuits concerning three deaths. All three deaths were caused by normal possible complications and incidents associated with the process. Two were patients over 85, and the other in their 50's. As I read the information this surgeon was far under the national average for these complications, and he performed hundreds of these procedures per year. End result was that the surgeon had his fingers slapped, no fine, a 90 day suspension, and put on a log system similar to truckers - He had a conversion van, and he would sleep while his wife, an RN, would drive him hospital to hospital to operate - State said no more of this. Twelve local small town hospitals dropped him as their primary surgeon. Not because he wasn't good or was careless, but because they all feared lawsuits. Since then you can't get an independent surgeon to come to town, you need to deal with corporate consolidating hospitals for surgeons, and often need to get on a waiting list and travel over 100 miles for a procedure.
TAB is an anti-gun, anti-freedom paranoid lemming and walking example of our population.
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Ever notice how when you see a ad on TV about a drug, it's NEVER coming from a medical group or clinic. ALWAYS from a legal group trying to make a fast buck on a, "class action" settlement. Nothing gets's the attention of the Lemming's faster than, "You may be entitled to financial compensation". If you want to improve medical care and cost in this country, do as Shakespeare once suggested.... Kill all of the lawyers.
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I believe that it was Pres. Reagan who tried to do away with this type of lawsuit. How much less would our medical care cost if we weren't required to pay for these stupid settlements? Did you have a stroke after the procedure or device intended to stop your current damage failed? Did you lose your hair to chemo treatment that saved your life? Are you upset because your erection lasted five hours and you ran out of horny hookers? Are you afraid of the big bad Courts because the Second Amendment allows free law abiding citizens to carry guns in your place of business?
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I believe that it was Pres. Reagan who tried to do away with this type of lawsuit.
Tort reform is all but impossible to get passed in any capacity. When you have an entire Legislative Branch of the government that is packed solid with lawyers.
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=what+percentage+of+House+and+Senate+members+are+lawyers%3F
"In the last Congress 39 percent of the House members were lawyers, along with 57 percent of U.S. senators."
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I can understand TAB's not wanting any more liability as a business owner but I think he's on the wrong track. What needs to be done is to change the law so you don't have that liability but can allow CCW.
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I can understand TAB's not wanting any more liability as a business owner but I think he's on the wrong track. What needs to be done is to change the law so you don't have that liability but can allow CCW.
TAB doesn't really have the liability. We (He) has case law behind him. Decades of protecting bars and liquor manufacturers who did the right thing and did not break the law themselves, and the legislation that has been used in cases that protects manufacturers and dealers when firearms are used in crime. If his insurance company has an attorney who understands the basics, he is just fine. But, TAB does not believe or trust this basic fact.
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m58 have you ever delt with a work mens comp issue from the employment side? and not the kind that are minor, I mean where a guy spends more then 24 hours in the hospital so it triggers an OSHA site review?
when I say liability I am not talking so much about being sued,( which is always a threat) but dealing with the costs and headaches that go along with the massive regulation that is at the federal and state levels.
pass a law that makes that shit go away, then I am all for having people CCW anywhere its not a danger( example high magnetic fields were you can not take ferrous metals), until they pull and idiot move like having a ND in a bathroom, then they lose that right.
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Yeah, I'll grant you that having a doctor carry a 1911 during an MRI might be a bad idea.
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Yeah, I'll grant you that having a doctor carry a 1911 during an MRI might be a bad idea.
Non-magnetic stainless steel. Where's the problem?
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I'll let you take the chance that it actually IS "non magnetic"
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Non-magnetic stainless steel. Where's the problem?
Most of the Stainless Steel used in the firearm industry is magnetic to some degree. Remember, what makes austenitic Stainless Steel non magnetic, is it's lack of iron along with other ferrous metals. The Stainless Steel used in firearms is not "rust proof". Rather it's rust resistant. Meaning it will not only rust, but will also attract a magnet... At least to some degree. This is because it contains some ferrous metals. The reason for this is because it makes it much easier to machine. High Nickel Stainless Steel that is truly "rust proof", is also very difficult, (read costly), to machine.
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Most of the Stainless Steel used in the firearm industry is magnetic to some degree. Remember, what makes austenitic Stainless Steel non magnetic, is it's lack of iron along with other ferrous metals. The Stainless Steel used in firearms is not "rust proof". Rather it's rust resistant. Meaning it will not only rust, but will also attract a magnet... At least to some degree. This is because it contains some ferrous metals. The reason for this is because it makes it much easier to machine. High Nickel Stainless Steel that is truly "rust proof", is also very difficult, (read costly), to machine.
It welds pretty though..... ;D ;)
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