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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: MikeBjerum on June 15, 2016, 08:47:57 AM
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I am putting this under our Rights area, because I believe it applies:
We are in a time when education, knowledge, and the ability to use critical thinking matter. However, we also live in a time when we cannot teach fast enough to save the day.
I turned on CNN this morning as I am doing my creative writing, log books, and I am scared by what I see and here. Pres. BHO went on attack over the use of "radical" to differentiate members of a group who are a problem, or should we accurately say "radicalized." The Pres. talked in circles over and over, and all he did was play sandlot games in his high office to bully a, or all, candidate(s) who are against his whore girlfriend Hillary.
I am also seeing and hearing how they are using the correct term "semi automatic" as the new evil machine.
This couple hours of news in my ears, without 100% attention, I have realized how much I value my parents and other elders, my teachers from kindergarten through college, Sunday School and other church meetings, and my good friends who challenge me. Americans need to have in their skill set the skill of critical thinking - The ability to evaluate what is being said and weigh it against all facts from multiple angles. This is not something that can be taught and learned in short order, but even though many don't have it today does not mean we should not assist them to learn it to be prepared for the future.
As a side note, I just saw a very short bit where they interviewed a gun shop owner, in Orlando, about his thoughts on purchases and people on the Terror Watch List. The interview was choppy and cut short - What did he say? I was asked in a poll what I thought on that at one time (Poll by anti-gun group). They asked about Terror Watch List and also No Fly List. I said if you are on the list according to our Right of Due Process I supported them being denied other rights and freedoms, but if it was as today I did not support it. They pressed me several times for a yes or no, and I refused to back down until they added the words "As the rules stand today," to which I answered I the lists don't matter, and you should be able to purchase and keep.
At the end of a long rant, here is a thought for a while:
How do we interact with people we don't agree with in a way that they understand our beliefs and we help them to understand better the facts.
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It really IS distressing to see people you know spouting stupid. I offer some facts, then offer to talk or even show them gun stuff. Some talk, rarely one will go for the gun stuff. But if they go into full retard, I offer them my middle finger and walk away. You can't fix stupid, and you can't fix the desire in a human to be a mindless meat puppet.
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These folks cannot live in a reasoned society. They devolve to insults rather quickly... I've had friends I've known for fifty years de-friend me on the Fecesbook.
I don't mind, they know not what they do!
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These folks cannot live in a reasoned society. They devolve to insults rather quickly... I've had friends I've known for fifty years de-friend me on the Fecesbook.
I don't mind, the know not what they do!
With the way thing are getting I consider it a badge of honor. ;)
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They're not my enemy. They're just confused on the issue because they're expecting the world to be some utopic society described in Lennon's "Imagine"! I hold no ill will toward them..
Hell, I "unfollow" most of my list of friends because of the amount of BS that pops up on the news feed.. You know the ones, they like or share everything without posting a comment.
I'm surround by the lefties...but I don't get into pissing contests with them.
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They're not my enemy. They're just confused on the issue because they're expecting the world to be some utopic society described in Lennon's "Imagine"! I hold no ill will toward them..
Hell, I "unfollow" most of my list of friends because of the amount of BS that pops up on the news feed.. You know the ones, they like or share everything without posting a comment.
I'm surround by the lefties...but I don't get into pissing contests with them.
Yep......my news feed is slim. ;D
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Same way they interact with us.
Fists, rocks, and loaded guns.
That IS what the 2 A is for you know.
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Anybody else have the urge to go by a few lowers? I may just put away 1 or 2 AR-15s and 1 AR-10, if I can find one reasonably priced. But already, most places are out of stock.
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As I finished deliveries yesterday I was just a block from a friend's gun shop. I don't get to see him often, because he is 100 miles north of me, so I stopped in.
He said that Monday he had constant calls about AR's, and only a couple made him suspicious about anti or media, because they referred to them as "assault rifles." We talked about it and agreed that there will be a little up tick in sales, but just like every other election or threat of laws it won't really bring anyone new in. It is just the thing that triggers those who were planning to buy to do the deed. Kinda like planning to have a burger some time today, and then lighting the grill and grabbing the meat when you smell the neighbor grilling.
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These people most definitely ARE the enemy.
They are not the enemies of guns.
Gun control, AKA criminal empowerment, is not happening in a vacuum.
These are the same people who are dumbing down education, destroying morality encouraging BLM thugs to kill cops, spending the country into a blackhole, and encouraging Muslims to kill us.
They are not opposed to guns, it's civilization they want to destroy and if the barbarians at the gate are not your enemies then you are part of the problem.
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Two excellent articles today.
This one on E Pluribus Unum. Never thought of it like that. Has to do with the dumbing down of education. Education to which the Orlando terrorist was subjected.
Also another one, on Islam, which I can't find right now, but I do have the Snopes reference to the Churchill Quote
(http://dailysignal.com/2016/06/15/after-orlando-we-must-stop-teaching-american-children-to-hate-america/[/url)"Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world."
He had a lot more to say on the subject. But the above is the crux of the matter.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/churchillislam.asp (http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/churchillislam.asp)
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I think the quote comes from this book
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Ddigital-text&field-keywords=Malakand+field+force
Read it, IT'S FREE.
So isn't, The River War, where he also has a lot to say about Islam.
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These people most definitely ARE the enemy.
They are not the enemies of guns.
Gun control, AKA criminal empowerment, is not happening in a vacuum.
These are the same people who are dumbing down education, destroying morality encouraging BLM thugs to kill cops, spending the country into a blackhole, and encouraging Muslims to kill us.
They are not opposed to guns, it's civilization they want to destroy and if the barbarians at the gate are not your enemies then you are part of the problem.
Yea, those guys are the enemy.
I was speaking of the guy or gal that I've known since kindergarten who may have a uneducated opinion on the whole issue. They're not bad people they just need knowledge. I spent an hour at my 40th class reunion last year discussing guns, the 2nd Amendment, the Constitution, politics with a girl I've known since the 6th grade. She asked some questions, disagreed on a few points and after the hour was over she had a completely different perspective on the subject. Not everyone is a crazed leftie... There are a shitload of them in MA but west Michigan is pretty red...
I did get her riled up on abortion though... I suggested that rather than killing the poor child in her belly, she could have chosen not to allow the cock up in there in the first place... Choices, we all have them... I did get a hug and a kiss from her so we're good...
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Support for ANY liberal causes makes them the enemy.
For example, Support for abortion is actually support for eugenics which means selective breeding and death panels for the elderly, it was a key feature that lead to gassing Jews.
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Read it, IT'S FREE.
Thanks, Tom. I've "bought" it already. I've seen some of the quotes from River War and I like the Malakand quote better.
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These people most definitely ARE the enemy.
They are not the enemies of guns.
Gun control, AKA criminal empowerment, is not happening in a vacuum.
These are the same people who are dumbing down education, destroying morality encouraging BLM thugs to kill cops, spending the country into a blackhole, and encouraging Muslims to kill us.
They are not opposed to guns, it's civilization they want to destroy and if the barbarians at the gate are not your enemies then you are part of the problem.
THIS!!!!
As MB has said, and even I have said, these people are our blood enemies. Not because we want that, but because they are making themselves so. In a way, they are the very epitome of Lenin's "useful idiots", but as they are being used they are willingly going along with all of the traitorous statements and actions being taken by our .gov "betters", they have moved into the "blood enemy" field, even if unintentionally.
I keep wanting to ask - "Claire Wolfe, what time is it now?"
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Are you guys having issues with this page being full width on the page? It's spread across the whole dang screen for me. I even have to slide the screen over to read the really long comments or multiple sentence paragraphs.
I wonder how far some of our politicians are from being modern versions of Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Kim Il Sung, Mao Zedong, Ho Chi Minh and Pol Pot? I believe the unfettered intolerance of some, for instance the California congresswoman, Rep. Linda Sanchez, Democrat, may be one of these lunatics-in-training. Not that everyone in this country doesn't commit a felony or two a day, but she proposed it to be a felony to use blogs, texts, internet messages to harass someone. Now, what constitutes harassment? So much for the 1st Amendment. You know the Huffington Post will not be a harassment blog except that a conservative posts something.
Unfettered intolerance. Not a bad word pair to describe liberal Democrats.
In 2014 Tom Udall had a proposal for a bill to limit political speech and insure incumbents continued enjoyment of the trough of public tax funds. That dadgum pesky 1st Amendment...we need to get rid of it. And, of course, the Freedom of the Useful Idiots/Partners-In-Crime (aka Press) and states wasn't restricted.
So, we have people wanting to get rid of the 1st and 2nd Amendments. People we know who are drunk on power. Look at Hussein Obama...Nancy Pelosi...Harry Reid...and dare I say at one level or another the complicit Boehner and is Butt-Boy-In-Training Paul Ryan. I guess the motto, "It's not fascism when we do it.", applies here.
Then there was something this past week about "climate deniers" had no right to the 1st Amendment. So, I suppose if inflammatory speech isn't working against "the opposition" it must be quelled by denying them rights.
Oh, inflammatory speech. In a normal world, that would be setting up the question or comment with things like "Anti-science" or "Denier". Really, I did not even know such a pussy word as denier existed until the so called climate "debate" but I digress. People can disagree on things and have an intelligent discussion, or...people with a tyrannical bend can rally around inflammatory comments to ridicule, shame or otherwise attempt to dismiss thoughtful comments and concerns of others. Inflammatory (and should I say emotional) setups like "anti-science" and "denier" as opposed to thoughtful discussion to find truth and points of disagreement to explore.
Unfettered intolerance and inflammatory speech are things that can be identified in tyrannical ideologues and rulers. I'd put Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Kim Il Sung, Mao Zedong, Ho Chi Minh and Pol Pot in the group that exudes unfettered intolerance and inflammatory speech. What politicians do you know who thrive on unfettered intolerance and inflammatory speech?
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Yes Rastus. I just started having an issue this morning. My old eyes don't like the shrink. It is only this page, all others are ok.
I blame the ghost of ALF! Our furry little friend is upset that we killed him off, and has taken up residence in this thread.
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Yes Rastus. I just started having an issue this morning. My old eyes don't like the shrink. It is only this page, all others are ok.
I blame the ghost of ALF! Our furry little friend is upset that we killed him off, and has taken up residence in this thread.
Same here
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It is caused by the link Alf posted above. Go back to page one of this thread and it is fine, but on page two with the large link it expands the page width. Some links don't "wrap" on the page and it causes the page to display wider. I've seen it off and on on threads for several years.
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Yeah, Yeah, Blame the dead guy.
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Okay, took out the extraneous reference info which was on long-g -g-g word. Problem fixed.
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Yeah, Yeah, Blame the dead guy.
Rule #1: Always keep a dead guy around to take the heat ;D
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Weekend at Alfies!
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I want to take him out on the boat when M'ette is done dancing with him
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Rule #1: Always keep a dead guy around to take the heat ;D
We have ar154me to thank for ours ;D ;D ;D
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Yeah, Yeah, Blame the dead guy.
;D
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By the way Miss Kitty, I still have contacts for caskets and vaults, and I can pickle him and oversee your wishes for the funeral if you wish. I will give you the drtv special rate ... the discount, not the M'ette mark up.
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Does anyone remember where we started this mess?
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We have ar154me to thank for ours ;D ;D ;D
You do notice I have kept my MOUTH SHUT since the taste of tow jam is not something I enjoy. :-[
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You do notice I have kept my MOUTH SHUT since the taste of tow jam is not something I enjoy. :-[
Which is highly unusual and abby-normal behavior for around here. ;)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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You do notice I have kept my MOUTH SHUT since the taste of tow jam is not something I enjoy. :-[
Shoot, Ar, you have done good for us.
A FREE BEER and a house Dead Guy to blame everything on...
Take care. :D :D
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Which is highly unusual and abby-normal behavior for around here. ;)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Well no one that I know of has ever considered me normal!
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Well no one that I know of has ever considered me normal!
They probably haven't met Tom Bogan ;D
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Does anyone remember where we started this mess?
And that's important because... ?
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Does anyone remember where we started this mess?
Yes.
1. Education has been subverted by socialist-minded liberals for several generations.
2. Knowledge has devolved into something that is only important for a moment in each person's day...and then usually just to figure out why their cell phone has poor reception and what flavor of coffee they want to order.
3. Critical thinking stopped with our generation......(which is just one of the reasons I value the core members of this group).
4. Speed isn't a concern any longer.....Teachers don't want to teach what the young need to know...and youngsters don't want to listen to older farts like us who could actually impart knowledge that is useful.
How's that? ;)
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I want it, it must be a right,so give it to me free.
Except for guns, they're evil and just because the Constitution says so doesn't make them a right.
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Yes.
1. Education has been subverted by socialist-minded liberals for several generations.
2. Knowledge has devolved into something that is only important for a moment in each person's day...and then usually just to figure out why their cell phone has poor reception and what flavor of coffee they want to order.
3. Critical thinking stopped with our generation......(which is just one of the reasons I value the core members of this group).
4. Speed isn't a concern any longer.....Teachers don't want to teach what the young need to know...and youngsters don't want to listen to older farts like us who could actually impart knowledge that is useful.
How's that? ;)
Damn It!!!
You ruined a perfectly good and fun drift. You are banned from the corner for two weeks (three weekends), and NO, you can't do the safety inspection and load rating on the pole this year >:(
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Wow, You savage.
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Damn It!!!
You ruined a perfectly good and fun drift. You are banned from the corner for two weeks (three weekends), and NO, you can't do the safety inspection and load rating on the pole this year >:(
Maybe a suitable replacement can be selected from amongst these capable applicants:
;D