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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: a1abob on August 14, 2008, 07:57:42 PM
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Has anyone been able to buy a Ruger .327 yet, and if not who else is putting them out. For that matter has anyone been able to buy any .327 ammo???
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Charter Arms is offering a 2.2" and a 4".
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I have looked at my local gun shops and not found 1 yet.
An obscure caliber that may have disappointing sales results. When one can get a S&W Model 329, .357/ .38 +P.
Just one example, there are many others.
Can't find them in my area.
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$469 on GunBroker.com:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=107379033
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One of our gunstore/pawnshop has the ammo. Last comment I heard here is that the pistol is not available yet, maybe a couple of months or so.
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Impressive ballistics. If S&W could put 6 rounds of 327 Fed in a J frame ... or maybe 8 rounds in a K or L frame, they could have ... without the IL ... a great revolver.
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Impressive ballistics. If S&W could put 6 rounds of 327 Fed in a J frame ... or maybe 8 rounds in a K or L frame, they could have ... without the IL ... a great revolver.
yes, ALMOST as good as a .357 but with darn little choice in pistols.
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Impressive ballistics. If S&W could put 6 rounds of 327 Fed in a J frame ... or maybe 8 rounds in a K or L frame, they could have ... without the IL ... a great revolver.
They already make a 8 shot 357 in a L frame and a 7 shot in a k
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They already make a 8 shot 357 in a L frame and a 7 shot in a k
Then there is the Taurus Tracker 7 shot .357 you can even get a .357 1911 The Coonan Arms pistol, they are out of business now but the pistols are still around.
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yes, ALMOST as good as a .357 but with darn little choice in pistols.
Depends on how one measures "good".
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Depends on how one measures "good".
Supposedly more power than .38+P, more controllability tan .357mag, 6 shots in what is a 5-shot platform in those other 2 calibers. I would kind of want to wait and make sure this cartridge has some life span, but the guns do shoot a couple of the smaller 32's. At least you would probably never be stuck with a paper weight. My .357 SP101, with the 3 inch barrel, is probably one of my favorite guns. My wife's too.
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The other .32's are under powered for anything but punching paper or people though, and not that good for defense.
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The other .32's are under powered for anything but punching paper or people though, and not that good for defense.
Yep, that sure is true. It would become kind of an expensive plinker. I would still like to see it catch on. It may a great cartridge for something like the S&W J-frame.
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The other .32's are under powered for anything but punching paper or people though, and not that good for defense.
This one looks good on paper. Especially if it can be put into a six shot J frame. Pushing the energy of a 357mag but with something like 20% less recoil. Sounds interesting.
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This one looks good on paper. Especially if it can be put into a six shot J frame. Pushing the energy of a 357mag but with something like 20% less recoil. Sounds interesting.
It sounds like a good "wife gun", like "no really honey, I got it for you."
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Sounds like a good thing. Hope it doesn't go the route of the .41 Mag. Good caliber but overshawdowed by .44 Mag.
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I've been considering one of these as well. The .32 H&R Mag round will punch a hole in a 1" piece of dry oak and I currently utilize it in a j-frame for summertime carry. The .327 would be another attractive pocket carry option.
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The .327 is what the 32. H&R "Magnum" should have been in the first place. If I had my heart set on an SP101 I think I would chose it over the .38/.357 for the one extra round capacity. One round doesn't sound like much until you rephrase it, 20% HIGHER CAPACITY. That alone will sell it.
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I think this would be a great round in a single action Ruger Blackhawk especially if made in a 50th anniversary .357 sized frame. I've heard of a couple custom ones out there already. I'd also think it would be a super rifle round. I'd like to see it in a Marlin lever action. I kind of look at it as a modern hot 32-20.
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That would be a nice game getter in a rifle. But my idea of a modern pistol caliber lever action would be a .357 Magnum Winchester 94 Trapper rechambered to .357 Maximum. It would need a little milling of the shell lifter for the longer cartridges and not much else modified. There are several good loads available from Reed's Ammunition & Research, LLC.
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Sounds like a good thing. Hope it doesn't go the route of the .41 Mag. Good caliber but overshawdowed by .44 Mag.
Solid analogy. The 41 is such a great round. This 327 Fed has some real potential in a small wheelgun. We will have to see how this plays out.
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Saw a 3" SP101 in .327 at Northwest Pawn and Collector Arms in Spokane, WA this weekend. Don't remember the price as I am not in the market for one.
Hope this helps someone!
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Local shop had one last week, only had it 12 Hr's till it sold.
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It never ceases to amaze me how many people look down their nose at anything in .32 caliber. It's some sort of bias that, I'm sure, comes from the years of neglect and lack of development we've seen in the .32.
The new .327 Federal Magnum is quite a pocket rocket. Published specs for the three Federal loads are very promising and the ballistics make this cartridge a modern version of the .32-20 Hi-Speed cartridge. The specs are from a 3-1/16" barrelled Ruger SP101 thus:
85g Hydrashok JHP - 1330 fps / 334 ft-lbs
100g American Eagle JSP - 1400 fps / 435 ft-lbs
115g Speer Gold Dot JHP - 1330 fps / 452 ft-lbs
This is more energy than most 9mm cartridges and on a par with some .40 S&W loads. That puts the .327 FM squarely between the .38 Special +P and .357 Magnum as far as horsepower goes. Some people like graphs or charts so here's one showing the relative power of the .327 Magnum.
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff111/BillCA/Hobby/misc/327FedMagEnergy.jpg)
The much vaunted .357 Magnum 125g JHP generates 585 ft-lbs of thumping power at the muzzle, but that usually requires a 4 to 6-inch barrel to get there and is usually accompanied by a flash-bulb flash, roaring 175db blast and stout recoil. The .327 Mag was engineered for a "short barrelled" gun like the SP101 and delivers almost 80% of the .357's energy from half the barrel length. From films shown of the gun firing, the recoil is not severe, muzzle flash no worse than a .38+P and noise about the same.
Some early tests done by converting a Ruger Single Six to .327 and pushing factory ammo out of a 6.5" barrel show velocities around 1600fps which would put energy around 568 ft-lbs. This exceeds some of the older .32-20 loads by a considerable margin! And the .32-20 was well thought of as an excellent coyote killer.
Putting aside prejudice against the cartridge for being new and still hard to come by, what do we get for our money with a .327 revolver?
- about 80% of the energy of the .357 Magnum in a shorter barrel
- An extra round of capacity in a "5-shot" sized revolver
- Lower recoil
- Faster follow-up shots
- Sufficient velocity to sustain reliable JHP/JSP expansion
- Better ballistics than the .32-20 cartridge (which uses 21 more inches of barrel)
The only fault I can find is that Ruger is once again behind the curve in making the guns available. There's been considerable hype on the new round, but Ruger's timing in getting guns to market, well, sucks. Charter Arms wasted no time in chambering one of their guns for the new round.
One area of interest is that Federal reports the new cartridge is a high-pressure load, in the area of 40,000 psi. That's 5,000 psi hotter than most of the larger magnums (357, 41 and 44). This, as far as I'm concerned, makes chambering the .327 in an airweight S&W J-frame a bit problematic.
What this cartridge begs for is modifying some lever guns to take .327 Magnum. With a 20" barrel this would be a hot varmint gun. Recoil would be negligible and probably no muzzle flash at all. Handloading with slower powders for the rifle would be a fun exercise as well. The question would be if the pistol bullets would stay together after being pushed over 2,000 fps.
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BillCA, don't fault Ruger on timing. They are still trying to catch up on the SR9 thing and the LCP. Too much of a good thing(s). None done exactly right.
Richard
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Anybody have one of these things yet? I wonder what firing it feels like... magnum-like, or just a little hotter than a .38? Does it feel like a .40? How's the recoil in a snubby? Should I start to obsess over acquiring a .327 yet?
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Uh JB the.327 is only made by you know who start's with a R & end's with a r. ;D ;D ;D
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Uh JB the.327 is only made by you know who start's with a R & end's with a r. ;D ;D ;D
So you're telling me that somehow I"m already obsessed, and that, eh...not so much.
I stand better informed, mudman. Thank you.
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Uh JB the.327 is only made by you know who start's with a R & end's with a r. ;D ;D ;D
Sorry, but you're wrong.
http://www.charterfirearms.com/products/Charter_Patriot_73270.html
and
http://www.charterfirearms.com/products/Charter_Patriot_73274.html
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Let the Obsessing BEGIN!!!!
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Let the Obsessing BEGIN!!!!
My pleasure, Jaybeth. Anything to keep yer old brain active! ;D
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Time to close this thread.....
Richard