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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: alfsauve on June 14, 2020, 09:42:21 AM
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Atlanta isn't known for really being first place. The Braves did take it all once, but basically we're more of an also ran city. That goes for sports, the Olympic, the subway, and protests.
So our miscreants have decided that a Wendy's needed burning. Not as good as the Minneapolis torching, but then again, we're sort of an also ran.
And what did the owners, and the neighborhood do to deserve this? A use of force that may have been questionable that started at the Windy's. MAY HAVE, because all the facts aren't in. Of course mobs don't care about facts. Instant justice.
On a related note about mobs, there was a small side story about CHAZ where a crowd surrounded a suspected thief and was holding a kangaroo, mob court. Not sure what justice would have been administered, but fortunately for the suspect at witness stepped up to clear him.
ICORE Southern Regional is in 2 weeks in Shreveport. Because IRC is cancelled this is turning into "the biggy" for the year. Sponsors are jumping on board and looks like many prizes. But after this, I'm not venturing into this foreign territory. Not sure there's anything in Shreveport to take Miss Kitty to see either. I'd also have to drive through several other municipalities to get there and just not taking the chance right now.
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It would appear the, "Chocolate City" is preparing for a Summertime meltdown.
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I wanted to burn Wendy’s when they pulled their “any size fries for $1” promotion. That’s more about the carbs talking than any perceived social injustice, though.
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I finally saw the video of the guys interaction with police. The dash, body cams and the camera frpm wendys. 100% good shoot.
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Of course it was good.
They never riot unless the POS deserved it.
That cop better get his ass to free America though.
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After he wins the wrongful termination suit against the PD, he'll be able to move where ever he wants.
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Until the civil suit against him takes it all. You forgot OJ that quick ?
Same with the Rodney King cops and George Zimmerman.
Not Guilty but still screwed in the civil suits.
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Until the civil suit against him takes it all. You forgot OJ that quick ?
Same with the Rodney King cops and George Zimmerman.
Not Guilty but still screwed in the civil suits.
Tom's right here. Today if your neighbor trips on your sidewalk because of a crack you didn't fix, you could easily be in trouble financially in a civil suit. And there is zero guarantee the jury will only award the limit of your homeowners insurance. Liberals see this as just another way to, "redistribute wealth". This country has gone off the rails, and is completely mad.
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ICORE Southern Regional is in 2 weeks in Shreveport. Because IRC is cancelled this is turning into "the biggy" for the year. Sponsors are jumping on board and looks like many prizes. But after this, I'm not venturing into this foreign territory. Not sure there's anything in Shreveport to take Miss Kitty to see either. I'd also have to drive through several other municipalities to get there and just not taking the chance right now.
You won't miss anything from Shreveport unless you want to see some B-52's flying in and out of the airbase.
I am going to bring this back up: https://www.michaelbane.tv/forum/index.php?topic=33575.0 (https://www.michaelbane.tv/forum/index.php?topic=33575.0) and http://www.rimfirechallenge.org/rimfire-challenge-world-championship/ (http://www.rimfirechallenge.org/rimfire-challenge-world-championship/) .
I'm thinking it's on MB's short list of filming ops. Mike is wanting to go and I plan to as well.
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One of my sister-in-laws called today and said they are expecting a fairly large group of 500+ (which is large for the size of Ocilla) demonstrating/protesting at the city courthouse square. There is a Civil War monument and a multi-war veterans memorial there. Also, they are going out in the county to the Jefferson Davis Historic park (where Jefferson Davis was captured) to protest there.
She talked with a deputy and he said they don't expect trouble, but all it takes is a match to light a fire and things could get lively.
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Kind of ironic that Jeff Davis' own party is working so hard to hide their racist history.
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Kind of ironic that Jeff Davis' own party is working so hard to hide their racist history.
Indeed so, indeed so.
The irony is almost as strong as the hypocrisy when it comes to all things involving the Demroids and the Loony Left.
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Until the civil suit against him takes it all. You forgot OJ that quick ?
Same with the Rodney King cops and George Zimmerman.
Not Guilty but still screwed in the civil suits.
That is what the Left hates about laws that reinforce and protect our protected Rights. We are protected against Double Jeopardy, but the Court has allowed the Civil Court to be a legal form of Double Jeopardy.
The sheep think that Stand Your Ground and Castle Doctrine laws give us a license to kill. What the anti freedom group knows and is really fighting are the portions that protect us from civil suits if we acted legally with force. It is much easier to win in Civil Court, they know it, and they exploit it.
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If you had a good shoot, thats where it should stop.
If you think it was a bad shoot, sue the da to bring charges.
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Enjoy liberalism folks. This is the "fruit" of all of their labor.
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Most of the liberals i know are against black lives matters. Is only the woke libtards thats are for it. Granted they more centrists. I dont know any one voting for biden
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You can easily look at this whole Rayshard Brooks, Atlanta deal from both ways. Again, another black suspect dies because of non compliance. Had he simply remained calm, and placed his hands behind his back and complied, he would be alive now. Yes, you can argue the cop should not have shot him in the back, as he was running away. And you would be right.
But it doesn't change the fact that had he not run, he never would have been shot. A + B is most always sure to = C. It would have been much easier to simply comply, and not allow yourself to become part of that losing equation to begin with. All Brooks accomplished was he died tired.
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It bugs me to no end when people say Rayshard was shot because he fell asleep in the drive through lane. He also wasn't shot because he was DUI, legally drunk. The LEO showed his breathalyzer results on his body cam. 108 where 008 is the limit.) He wasn't shot for resisting arrest either.
He was shot because he attempted to assault the officer. He was shot because he pointed (and I think fired) a weapon at the officer. True it was a taser but had he connected could he have come back to the incapacitated officer and gained access to his gun? Was there another charge in that taser? Could the suspect have used that charge on the officer or on a bystander? I feel for the officer and for ATLs former police chief.
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From the bodycam I've seen, it was all going fine until the officer said he had too much to drink, and to place his hands behind his back. Then it all went South in seconds. How many times does it take before these idiots understand they will never get away by running? It's all but idiotic. But it keeps happening.
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You're talking about people who haven't mastered pant's after 250 years in captivity.
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It looks as if the cop has a good chance of beating the charges against him here. Except for the fact they'll most likely pack the jury box full of cop hating, racist blacks. Much like they did with O.J. Except here it could have the opposite effect. And if the cop gets off, Atlanta will burn..... Again.
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It looks as if the cop has a good chance of beating the charges against him here. Except for the fact they'll most likely pack the jury box full of cop hating, racist blacks. Much like they did with O.J. Except here it could have the opposite effect. And if the cop gets off, Atlanta will burn..... Again.
And when he is acquitted how many more cities will burn due to the A$$#0les riots? You can't win for losing on this. I am so tired of this crap!
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AR154me,
Who really gives a crap about burning cities ?
If they support our enemies, and they do, they deserve to burn and their populations as well.
But there is no way he will win in a dem kangaroo court.
The fact that "people" tolerate this makes me wish the Kung Flu were a REAL epidemic.
Maybe we'll have better results from a meteor strike.
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I think we should have a 2 week experiment in the cities of "defunding" the police. Just send them home and let's see what happens for two weeks. Maybe 3 or 4....
After two weeks they will never be able to catch up investigations on major thefts, homicides, arson, etc. The left needs this in their front and back yard. Just think of all the BMW's, Mercedes, Cadillacs, etc. that will end up on on blocks....
Oh, and no private security allowed either.....take that Hollywood, politicians and MSM....
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Change of venue is definitely in order here.
NOW GET THIS: The DA is being pressured to recuse himself because, oh, yeah, he's under investigation by the GBI for some other hanky panky.
And you wonder why he didn't wait for the GBI to complete its investigation.
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Alf.. my first interaction with a GBI agent... many years ago I was traveling through Ga with my Mom, who needed to use the restroom facilities on a regular basis, so I had pulled off I-75 on a little used access for a filling station... at the time Florida and Georgia did not have a reciprocity with their CCW permits... since I was driving, I just slipped on a fanny pack with a G19 in it when I got out of the car... as I was filling the tank a Crown Vic with Georgia Bureau of Investigation on the fender pulled in behind me... as the officer exited the car, he asked "what are you carrying?"...and I'm sure he noticed the University of Florida license tag... I looked at his G19 on his belt...and said, the same as you ..... his reply " good choice, have a nice day" .....
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The GBI's got a fairly good rep. No major hanky/panky or political crap.
The Ga State Patrol is also pretty serious organization. They recently fired a whole graduating class of recruits after graduation because of a cheating scandal. I thought it was a minor thing, like looking at Cliff Notes before taking the "Using The Speed Radar" test. Evidently the whole class shared answers. I don't know all the details (never will) but I'd have been happy to slap them with a fine and make them retake the test. Cost the GSP ~$2million in lost training cost. That's pretty serious commitment to keeping things honest and above board.
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Cops are fighting back. All over the country the entire platoon involved in shoving that a hole in Schenectady (holy crap, I spelled that right on my own ! )Quit en mass when the one cop was fired.
Blue flu is a hell of a lot more "pandemic than the Kung Flu ever was.
Retirements and resignations are way up as well.
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Talking over the HR implications with Miss Kitty this morning.
A certain percentage of ATL PD want to quit and go somewhere "quieter". Maybe even a different career field. And a certain percentage of those will, if not immediately, in the next year or two. Who are these LEOs that will leave? We're guessing they're the very ones you would want to keep. The very ones who are calm, cool, patient, not prone easily to anger and see the big picture.
How do you keep the good ones and discourage others? Not an easy nut to crack. All solutions have unintended consequences.
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Alf, I just saw a news item that at least some Atlanta PD are getting bonuses.
I think that might inspire the good and weed out the others . ;D
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All officers are getting $500. It's not coming from the city but from an independent "Foundation" that normally helps widows, pays college tuition for police orphans and buys protective gear for officers.
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All officers are getting $500. It's not coming from the city but from an independent "Foundation" that normally helps widows, pays college tuition for police orphans and buys protective gear for officers.
I read that as part of this the Foundation is also purchasing several patrol cars to replace and update ones that were destroyed in the rioting, and they are purchasing some other gear as well. The stated purpose is to shore up and increase the morale of the officers. Morale has been a concern of the Mayor and Council, and the Foundation, for a period.
The bottom line I picked up after digesting the full article is that by using the Foundation in this way, the community, including the government, can support and reward the officers without a public riot.
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Is my impression correct that Atlanta IS supporting it's police Dept ?
Didn't I see something about them increasing the police budget or something ?
You're in the area.
I'm stuck with news services I don't trust, and Facebook, which I assume is BS unless I can find other confirmation.
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Everything I read is that Atlanta is doing the best they can to be a common sense government and community. They recognize they have a few bad apples, like everyone, that good men make mistakes, and that overall things are good. However, they are also smart enough to walk gently, because idiots from the outside will be the ones that bring the trouble.
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We need to support the ones who are actually trying.
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Budgets being what they are because of the lockdown it's doubtful in public agency can afford an increase.
The chief that just stepped down was rank and file. She was mostly apolitical and good for the city and the officers. most , I think, view her resignation as political expendiency by City Hall. Even though she had fired a several officers rather abruptly, overall she was viewed positively by officers. Scuttlebutt from Cobb PD friends.
The real morale killer was filing murder charges before the GBI had completed their investigation. I'd hate to be the head of the GBI. As I said the DA is very political, not well liked and under investigation himself.
My guess is the GBI won't support the murder charges. I also can see, like in the Aubrey case, a special prosecutor being assigned by the governor. I see the second officer's charges being dropped. I see all charges except involuntary manslaughter being dropped for the first officer. That'll play out in court in another venue and no telling what the jury will do.
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Oh it just gets better.
Two weeks ago APD pulled two students from their car in connection with a protest and Tased them. This same ATL DA charged these officers with use of deadly force.
Evidently, a Taser is considered a deadly weapon under GA statues.
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Oh it just gets better.
Two weeks ago APD pulled two students from their car in connection with a protest and Tased them. This same ATL DA charged these officers with use of deadly force.
Evidently, a Taser is considered a deadly weapon under GA statues.
Unless used against a cop.
<definite sarcasm>
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Unless used by a black man against a white cop.
<definite sarcasm>
Fixed.
Now i know this is a whole different time frame, but back when i was basically a cop in the coast guard. If my weapon is touched during a struggle roe was to shoot, same if a weapon was taken, reguardless of if they were running away or not. Hell, i remember when i was on a cutter and we had a drug boat fire at us with an ak at about 300ish yards. Lets just say of there was any less than 500# of lead added to the boat i would be shocked.
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. Lets just say of there was any less than 500# of lead added to the boat i would be shocked.
Anything worth doing is worth doing to ridiculous excess. ;D
Did you get to use the deck gun ? ;D
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Anything worth doing is worth doing to ridiculous excess. ;D
Did you get to use the deck gun ? ;D
no, just some of john brownings best... it .50 and 37 mm. I did see what happens with a 37mm hits some one. Something i still see from time to time in my dreams. Never saw the after math, but i did follow the tracer right up to impact. It should also note that these guys did a bunch of other shit and 100% ask for it . I dont remember the tonnage of cocaine we recovered, but it was supposed to be 9 mill worth. I do remember the boat was heavily over loaded and it all started after the helicopter spoted them and they thought it was in distress /taking on water.
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Sounds like you rescued the sh!t out of them ;D
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Fixed.
Not necessarily fixed. :o :o
Some of the murdered cops are Black. Black cops murdered in ambush by Black thugs.
It seems Black lives don't matter when attached to a uniform.
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Could be an interesting night in The ATL. Seems some are trying to setup an autonomous zone around the Wendy's. Pretty sure from reports they don't know what it means.
Oh and they've arrested the alleged arsonist that allegedly torched the Wendy's, at least allegedly they arrested her.
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Could be an interesting night in The ATL. Seems some are trying to setup an autonomous zone around the Wendy's. Pretty sure from reports they don't know what it means.
Oh and they've arrested the alleged arsonist that allegedly torched the Wendy's, at least allegedly they arrested her.
Individuals, groups, mobs, media, and liberal leeches .... I mean politicians, will grab onto a word or phrase and over use it in and out of context until even the few who know what it meant can't figure it out. I call it Wordgate. Have you ever screamed at your TV for some ranting protester to define "systemic racism"?
So, the allegedly arrested the alleged adult, alleged female, alleged arsonist, of the alleged Wendy's?
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No excitement last night. Seems only a few thugs without popular support just out for their own gain. Police removed all barricades and miscreants yesterday. The neighborhood is back open.
Mean while the alleged woman, alleged girl friend of the alleged deceased, who aledgedly burned the aledged Wendy's, has alledgedly been released on bond. Her attorney is claiming it was spontaneous combustion and she was just having some s'mores.
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Alf,
How far from this stuff do you live? I live about an hour west of Boston and still think that’s too close!
I personally avoid the metro areas as much as possible but on occasion there’s no other option.
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Tim, I live in Cobb County, Marietta, GA, which NNW of ATL. It' almost exactly 15miles from my house to the the State Capital as the bullet flies. 17 miles to where the Wendy's is.
We've had demonstrations in Cobb, some fairly large ones, including a Juneteenth celebration in downtown Marietta. All very peaceful with no problems. We're a fairly law abiding county (Kennesaw, which requires firearms ownership is in Cobb County) with a very, top-notch police department. Cobb is one of a few counties that has a County Police for law enforcement and a separate Sheriff Dept, which runs the jail, serves warrants and provide court security. The CCPD is a pretty heads up, well trained group. There biggest problem seems that all surrounding departments want to steal our officers. The county has, as part of the mutual aid agreements with other counties, a reimbursement agreement. If another dept hires one of our officers in the first two years of duty then they have to reimburse us for the training. I don't like that from a right-to-work standpoint, but it seems to work out okay. While Cobb doesn't pay the most, I think there are a lot of other benefits for officers to stay.
So I sit in my urban subdivision, fairly comfortable that the chances are low I will personally be affected. Like MB in his bunker, I'm insulated by distance and neighbors from most of the machinations of ATL. Not that I don't stay vigil and prepared. Carry, even when I'm working in the yard. Avoid places and times of likely unrest. Etc. etc..
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Alf... I think it is about time you give up that shooting thing-a-ma-jig that goes round and round for something designed in the last century, if not this one... ;D
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Tim, You're fairly safe there.
You can't get a BJ in Boston right now.
All the C Sers are up here. :(
From what I've been hearing, Atlanta seems to "get it".
They seem to be the only ones with any darned sense left.
If it were ME, I would strip the rest of the city to double the number of police patrols in trouble areas with drastically reduced restrictions on use of force , Throw a rock through a window = broken head . Crush the trouble makers brutally, and terrorize the sketchy.
At the same time I would provide aid to business' to rebuild there while addressing legitimate issues such as increased access to vocational training. Perhaps partnering with local industry to provide apprenticeships, or OJT programs.
You cannot rely on JUST carrots, or sticks. You need a balance of both. Help the ones who legitimately need a hand, and kill the ones getting in the way of that.
This isn't my genius, this tactic has worked since at least the Roman Republic if not earlier.
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Alf... I think it is about time you give up that shooting thing-a-ma-jig that goes round and round for something designed in the last century, if not this one... ;D
Come on Les, Wheel Guns are Real Guns. A couple of thoughts:
I don't know of any truly really new designs this century.
You know that scene from Quigglly Down Under.... "Never said I didn't know how.."
How's this for .44 mag at 100 yds standing? (Use to shoot standing IHMSA.)
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Ok, I have a question about this "Juneteenth". I am 52 years old and I don't remember anything about until this year.
Ranger Dave
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Ok, I have a question about this "Juneteenth". I am 52 years old and I don't remember anything about until this year.
Ranger Dave
Same here and I'm 67. What the hell is, "Juneteenth"?
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Same here and I'm 67. What the hell is, "Juneteenth"?
I never heard of it but here is a link. Stupid but WTH.
https://www.nytimes.com/article/juneteenth-day-celebration.html
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Same here and I'm 67. What the hell is, "Juneteenth"?
June 19, 1865 is the day slaves were truly freed! The Emancipation Proclamation only managed about 50k.
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Ok, I have a question about this "Juneteenth". I am 52 years old and I don't remember anything about until this year.
Ranger Dave
It's had it's ups and downs since 1865, always a predominately Black celebration...but fell from "tradition" as Black children started attending public schools.
Here is a link if interested
https://www.juneteenth.com/history.htm
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It's a Texas thing, because it wasn't till June 1865 that the word reach southern Texas.
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Same here and I'm 67. What the hell is, "Juneteenth"?
I’ve never heard if it until this year either. And whatever happened to Kwanza? I haven’t heard it mentioned in several years.
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Alf, Chiappa Rhino , and Ruger LCR are unique.
But mostly you are correct The last change in revolvers was when they settled on left hand swing out cylinders .
BAC, The truth is that Juneteenth, and the Emancipation Proclamation are both BS .
Blacks think there's something special about living somewhere it took2 months to hear the war was over. The Proclamation was just a PR stunt that freed exactly no one. Read it. It only applied to the Confederate states who didn't give a crap what Lincoln said. The truth is that Maryland had legal slavery until the 13th, and 14th amendments went into effect December 1865 well after the end of the war.
As for Kwanza, to much knowledge that it's "founder" was a murdering scumbag for it to catch on.
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Alf... nice shooting at 100yd....I started my shooting hobby in IHMSA...got one leg into International Standing in big bore (cast bullets) and rimfire before started IPSC (pre USPSA)....a friend and I necked down a 30-30 to 7mm with a 45 degree shoulder (Clymer made the reamer and Redding the dies).... the 7 rimmed international came out about 3 months later as an Elgin Gates design... Mick shot a couple of 40x with a T/C, .... for standing I shot a Merrill in .357mag and a High Standard Citation ....of course that was with 33 year old eyes
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Alf, Chiappa Rhino , and Ruger LCR are unique.
But mostly you are correct The last change in revolvers was when they settled on left hand swing out cylinders .
BAC, The truth is that Juneteenth, and the Emancipation Proclamation are both BS .
Blacks think there's something special about living somewhere it took2 months to hear the war was over. The Proclamation was just a PR stunt that freed exactly no one. Read it. It only applied to the Confederate states who didn't give a crap what Lincoln said. The truth is that Maryland had legal slavery until the 13th, and 14th amendments went into effect December 1865 well after the end of the war.
As for Kwanza, to much knowledge that it's "founder" was a murdering scumbag for it to catch on.
Tom, I have to say you know your history.
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Alf, Chiappa Rhino , and Ruger LCR are unique.
Rhino was based on the Mateba, 1997.
Using polymer is different, but the LCR is still a hammerless J-frame style revolver 100+ years old.
So for the 21st century, what's truly a new design in any style firearm?
Kriss Vector. Okay that's one.
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Constant recoil in the Singapore version of the M 249 SAW.
But like the Kriss, it's pointless. Every one who buys machine guns already has the older version.
Hell, the MG 1 is a better machine gun, and that was designed in 1942.
As for the Kriss, it's pointless.
Completely useless in anything but full auto and it can never be built that way.
Otherwise the only change has been materials and processes, and OPTICS . (Just thought of that one :) )
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I wouldn't buy a Kriss for a couple of reasons, but I can say a full auto Kriss has practically no recoil.
The CZ Scorpion EVO in 9MM full auto I like better than an MP5. No kiddin'.....better than an MP5 which I otherwise love. There was on for rent at the OFASTS this weekend....nice.
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That's my point about the Kriss.
The sub gun is history beyond PDW use.
With the POSSIBLE exception of concealment, there is nothing a SMG can do that an M-4, or similar, can't do better.
MP 5, has the market sewed up as it's closed bolt and none of the others can compete with it for accuracy.
The only market for the Kriss is civilian, and they can not go there because of the MG registry being closed.
So it's a useless design. It never would have sold very well anyway.
Far simpler, LESS EXPENSIVE guns, like the Walther have failed to catch on .
I'll probably build a 9mm AR pistol, but Stuff like that generally has me looking at a 2 ft long package that gives me the same capability as a Ruger LC 9 .
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Tom, there's nothing wrong with a 9mm AR pistol. It lets you practice with an AR at indoor ranges. Ammo can cost less. With less blast and noise, it's a friendlier gun for shooters learning the AR. For home defense, it's generally faster and more accurate for most people than a handgun in the same caliber.
Plus, a 9mm AR is a heckuva lot of fun! Do you need a better reason?
Try it, you'll like it!
Dirty Bob
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Plus, a 9mm AR is a heckuva lot of fun! Do you need a better reason?
Try it, you'll like it!
Dirty Bob
No, actually I don't ;D
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No, actually I don't ;D
No problem. It works for me, though. When that brace touches my face, I'm seeing the red dot. It's fast, it works in low light, and 9mm ARs run with almost any barrel length...down to just 4 or 5 inches. Even a 300 BLK has issues in barrels that short. A compact AR pistol would be on my short list of choices if I had to go into one of the "troubled" urban centers right now.
Awareness and avoidance are the best choice, but if you're surrounded and people with bricks are coming to break the car windows, other options become important. A lot of us saw the Reginald Denny (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Reginald_Denny) video and watched in horror. That kind of stuff has been happening in some of our cities in the past weeks. I've seen a videos of a group of young men stomping on a victim's head after knocking him to the cement.
Scary times. People need to be careful, especially when they're with their families.
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Bob, not sure you took that right.
I meant "no, I didn't need a better reason. ;D
And I agree with you're reasoning.
I've been saying that people aren't the only things that need shooting, but I haven't heard of any bear problems in 3 months .
So 9 is fine ;D
I'm not a big fan of 5.56, but how is that in pistols ?
I know it's not bad in a Contender if I can find a barrel . ;D
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Tom... I have two 5.56 pistols and I think you have pictures... I would not recommend a barrel length less than 10.5, and if you want to go to 12 or so, you might get a mid length gas system rather than the shorter carbine length...I'd prefer an over gassed system and opt for a lighter weight buffer to enhance reliability... I doubt that I'll ever have more than 1000 rounds through either of the pistols.... you need a flash can or linear comp to direct the blast down range....I think that low profile gas blocks held on with set screws should be roll pinned for reliability...I think my lack of brace or blade, using a slightly longer buffer tube alleviates any ATF vacillations concerning braces/blades...if you want a lighted optic I think a prism sight is a better option than just a dot as the reticle is etched on the prism, and is still visible with a dead battery.... for under 50yd, a good carry handle with large aperture sight works pretty well... you need to have a good white light mounted... I carry mine in an old thin sided range bag with the buffer tube sticking out... experienced shooters do not recognize what is in the bag...looks like you can still put together a PSA kit for under $600
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No problemo, Tom. I wasn't trying to change your mind, just rattling off why it works for me.
No bears in Texas that I know of, though, just lots and lots of feral hogs and an occasional alligator in some parts.
Re: 5.56mm, it's at its best in a barrel length of 16-20 inches. I like 5.56mm pistols, but with barrel lengths of at least 10 inches, preferably longer. With a 10-inch barrel, you probably won't see enough velocity to be really effective past about 100 yards, depending on bullet weight, ballistic coefficient, and muzzle velocity.
Les: Total agreement on barrel length! And yes, a flash can or linear comp is a good thing and money well spent! I think Gabe Suarez wrote in his blog (now gone) that he was very happy with an 11-inch AR with a buffer tube that was padded for cheeking but had no brace. I've seen a crutch tip used, but I think that's mainly so it will stand up in a gun cabinet without sliding and falling.
Wanting a really short (7.5 inches) barrel was why I went with 300 BLK. It doesn't suffer as much from a short barrel as 5.56mm, though the whole "it burns all the powder in the first 9 inches" thing is a myth. A 16-inch 300 BLK barrel will be more effective than a pistol barrel.
All these short barrels are REALLY LOUD!!!, by the way. Not always a bad thing in a defensive situation, but something to be aware of.
I also just really like the 300 BLK (7.62x35mm). It's a fairly efficient cartridge that can launch an impressive range of bullet weights, from down around 90 grain pistol bullets, up to the very heavy 250 grain subsonic loads. I believe its sweet spot in supersonics is around 120 grains. People compare it to the (more powerful) 7.62x39mm, but to me it seems closer to the 7.92x33mm Kurz, the cartridge used in the Sturmgewehr 44.
BTW, 5.56 is awesome fun in a Contender. When I was growing up, our neighbor had that very pistol, and I loved shooting it. In terms of range, though, I'd consider it a 100 yard proposition in most cases.
All my best,
Bob
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Les, A lot of good useful information in that small post.
ATF mood of the day is something I've wondered about with the braces.
I know of 1 guy who got a KP -9 and registered it as an SBR, just to be protected if they miss their Motrin or some thing and change the policy. Also he can use any stock he wants now.
Bob, The Contender I've got now came with a 10 inch Hex .357 barrel, It dates from about when I was working there.
I don't know that I made any of the parts, but I know for sure I knew everyone else that worked on it. ;D
I have enough other stuff now that I don't expect to shoot it very often. The one barrel I REALLY want is a 10 inch, 45/410 with a bead instead of a front sight.
Not to likely though, there was only one made, and that was a back door job when they were not supposed to be making the 410.
And the guy who made it isn't likely to part with it. ;D