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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: gunman42782 on February 10, 2008, 09:12:58 PM
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OK, I have had a few folks tell me I would "throw away my vote" by voting Libertarian (I don't blame them, I have used this excuse in the past myself). My question though is what the heck is the difference between McCain and Clinton and Obama? I don't care what McCain is telling us about how Conservative he is, he is full of bull. He is the main culprit behind the gutting of the 1st Amendment with his so-called "Campaign Finance Reform" (and we all see how this helped, when they have all spent record amounts of money this election!) He is for many types of gun control, including private party sells at gun shows, the so-called "gun show loophole", which as we all know is not a damn loophole, it is the law! Face to face sells between individuals of the same state is perfectly legal and always has been, no matter if the sale takes place at a gun show or at your Wal-Mart parking lot. He was against the Bush tax cuts. He is not just week on illegal immigration, he down-right stinks on this issue. I know, what about the Supreme Court nominations? Well, what about them? You think he would nominate a Clarence Thomas? No, but he would a David Souter! Besides, if the Dems retain control of Congress, even if he did nominate a Conservative judge, they would never approve him/her. No sir, boys and girls, I feel this year is the year I will vote Libertarian. I don't think McCain has a snowballs chance in Hell of winning anyway, but even if it was neck and neck, I refuse to vote for the "lesser of two evils" ever again. And it beats sitting out an election in disgust too.
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I made that very statement the other day " I'm tried of voting for the lesser of two evils" Dam we need a Constiutionlist Party!
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gunman,
As long as you vote you are not throwing your vote away. People look at where every vote goes. I was one of the so called idiots that voted for a pro wrestler here in Minnesota. Guess what ... our state did not float down the Mississippi or burst into flames. We have had a couple career politicians disappear never to be heard from again over the inferiority complex it gave them . We provided jokes to the Nation for four years, operated just fine, and told the pros that we are damn tired of their crap and will take a stand to show it.
Vote your beliefs, and be counted.
Send letters to your leaders and tell them what you think.
If you are at your State Capital or our Nation's Capital, make an appointment, stop in, sign the guest register and make yourself heard. I personally can not agree with 95% of Rep. Walz views, but I went to his DC office, signed the book, and I left a polite note expressing my views. I also had a very good discussion with his aides while there. Please, Thank You and Honesty will get you a long way.
The world is run by those that show up ... DON'T BE ABSENT !!!
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Above all remember to vote correctly for Congress, both Senators (if one of yours comes up this time) and even more important right now the House. We need to start rebuilding from that area. Regardless who gets in as the president, Congress is the place to control him or her. Don't let your votes go to waste by not voting, it's the right our fore fathers fought to give us and we need to exercise it.
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For me... It is all about the VP and his/her stance on gun control...
Jason
www.thenewmexicosportsman.com updated 2/5/08
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For me... It is all about the VP and his/her stance on gun control...
Jason
www.thenewmexicosportsman.com updated 2/5/08
Dick Cheney aside, the VP doesn't do squat when it comes to issues. algore was ignored in the WH, ya know.
A Dem prez WILL sign an AWB. A Dem prez will withdraw from Iraq causing it to go up in smoke. A Dem prez means most likely Dem pickups in congress making it impossible for Rep to block legislation. Nor should we count on Rep pickups in 2010/2012. A Dem prez means liberal appointments to the SCOTUS.
McCain equals Obama/Hillary. Not really.
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Well... Recently Cheney went OVER bushes head to support opposition to the DC ban...
http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=25&sid=1342257
I don't like either of them and I don't want to through away a vote and I am hoping there is someone with my ideals...
I really hope somebody picks up Bill Richardson for VP...
J
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I have to lean towards Huck at this point if for no other reason that it will send a message to McCain that people don't like what he has done in the past.
Dick Cheney aside, the VP doesn't do squat when it comes to issues. algore was ignored in the WH, ya know.
A Dem prez WILL sign an AWB. A Dem prez will withdraw from Iraq causing it to go up in smoke. A Dem prez means most likely Dem pickups in congress making it impossible for Rep to block legislation. Nor should we count on Rep pickups in 2010/2012. A Dem prez means liberal appointments to the SCOTUS.
McCain equals Obama/Hillary. Not really.
clay is right, the Dem Prez WILL sign the AWB and pull us out of the Middle East, a Republican, even a RINO, MIGHT. recently here in Southern MD and on Fox/CNN there was a poll that said that McCain had the best chance of winning against Clinton but even moeny against Obama. So many people from both sides of the aisle positively HATE Hillary but will vote party line on Election day no matter what.
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One of the outdoor mags called Huck one of the most influential people becasue what he did in his home state to support hunting and fishing... I also leaning that way...
I have a bad feeling that the Old School RNC is going to through McCain under the bus and offer him up to the DNC.
Jason
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Dick Cheney aside, the VP doesn't do squat when it comes to issues. algore was ignored in the WH, ya know.
A Dem prez WILL sign an AWB. A Dem prez will withdraw from Iraq causing it to go up in smoke. A Dem prez means most likely Dem pickups in congress making it impossible for Rep to block legislation. Nor should we count on Rep pickups in 2010/2012. A Dem prez means liberal appointments to the SCOTUS.
McCain equals Obama/Hillary. Not really.
Actually on all of the issues you mention in your post yes, McCain = Hilbamma
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Like all of you I am having a real hard time with this election cycle. The thought of President Hillary or President Obama really make me sick. And when that thought comes in my my mind I think of all the scenarios that come with it.
1. Schumer, Feinstein, Kerry etc, to SCOTUS
2. Passage of HR1022 with lots of amendments.
3. Ammo is already high price, but a sizeable tax would be ok
etc, etc
I don't like McCain 1 grain but if he's the nominee, I'll vote for him.
2A people always had enemy's, but not as threatening as today.
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CLP,
I of course respect your right to vote as you wish but I do disagree with your decision.
Here is my thinking.
McCain is just as bad as HilObama on 2A, Taxes, amnesty, illegal immigration and much more. soooo
If we vote McCain in, the D congress will vote for all of the above and many of the Rs will go along as we (the people) voted in an R POTUS that has the same agenda so they (the Rs) will think we must agree.
If HilObama is POTUS then MAYBE the Rs will get a backbone and try to halt much of the 'crap' and will be more inclined to listen to us when we complain about the D direction.
In any case the POTUS will get the blame for it all and I would rather have a D get blamed.
In the meantime we support all of the R we can for Congress in 2008 and I think we will be in a better position for Congress 2010 as the country will be screaming for a change.
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Hazcat,
I shed blood and time to defend your right to talk, think and act anyway you please.
But on this one, IMO you are advocating cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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Bill,
I am not doing this out of 'spite'. I cannot bend my principles far enough to permit me to vote for McCain. I think he is a disaster for this country. Yes HilObama is worse but does that mean I have to support the lesser?
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With the economy slumping and the average voter having a memory span of about 2 days, It is likely that the next POTUS will be blamed for, Higher gas prices, unemployment, Higher taxes, and continuing warfare in Iraq and possibly Iran. Hazcat may have a valid point. Reagan got elected because of 4 years of carter. I personaly would slit my throat before I would vote for either of those socialist scum so will vote third party rather than the manchurian candidate, But it iIS food for thought.
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Since no one among us has a crystal ball, hanging our hat on the hope of a Rep resurgence in 2010/2012 is a slim one. An Obama/Hillary victory might set the stage for 20 years of Dem dominance for all we know.
If the Supremes rule against indviual right intrepretation of the 2A it's all over anyway so I guess your vote for Obama/Hillary won't really matter.
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Clay,
I am NOT voting for Hil/Obama.
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Hazcat,
A vote for a 3d party is a vote for Hilobama. IMO
Glad you are not voting out of spite, but that's the way your posts have seemed to me for a while.
Just be sure to vote the 2A candidates for House and Senate. If we have enough there it may not matter who is POTUS.
I will vote for the Republican this time. Because I am sure the Republican will be better for the country than either of the Dems. I will vote for the House and Senate for whoever is better on the 2A. I am quite sure that will not be Sen Levin. I am also pretty sure he will be reelected here anyway. He has not been our friend at all.
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I understand that S. Richard Burr, R-NC is on McCain's short list for VP. He has a very good 2A record, and McCain might get the sniffles. Mac.
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Hazcat,
A vote for a 3d party is a vote for Hilobama. IMO
I completely disagree. I have used this same reasoning in the past, so I don't fault you for saying it (as I said in the original post). However, voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil. McCain is NO friend to gun owners. You can try and justify it anyway you would like, but a vote for McCain is no different than a vote for Hillary or Obama.
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It is NOT my duty to vote FOR anyone. It is the DUTY of the nominee to garner my vote.