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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Timothy on March 04, 2011, 07:03:20 PM
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Post your local averages...
North Stonington, CT March 4, 2011 $3.75/gal up from $3.29 last Saturday!
Edit....actually, when I went to work at 6 am it was $3.69 so it went up 6 cents in 12 hours cuz I got home at 6 pm..
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Better part of Ft. Laud. area $3.59 +/-.... and up .27 cents in a week. (regular unleaded).
>:(
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San Antonio Tx. $3.39 up .10 from yesterday and up $.10 from 2 days before that.
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obama's fault now :'(
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Snyder, TX $3.35 last time i checked.
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$3.57 in Charlotte county at the cheap station.
How high will it spike when K/Ghadaffi hits the oil pipelines and refineries?
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diesel is already at 4 and expected to jump .25 to .50 this weekend!
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Libya is 2% of total Mideast exports. But the speculators and futures market are weak kneed, hyperventilating, greedy bastards.
Just wait a week. The Saudi "Day of Rage" is next Friday....We''ll see how far it goes,...if Saudi Arabia turns into Libya, or ends up like other Mid East countries,.....expect the Shell former CEO prediction in December, of $5.00 a gallon to come true.
If not worse.
Yet, BHO does nothing,......
and actually is on the record for advocating such things.
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$3.55. Up $.50 in the last week or two.
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$103 dollars a barrel as of today.
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$ 3.39 or so here.
Honestly, I hardly look anymore. I've got to get from point A to point B and that requires gass. I cut back driving when I can, but I've got to do what I've got to do.
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3.68 gal for Reg here
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paid $3.78 today... I was not happy.
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Guys you are really making me not feel sorry for you.
Price here at the bowser as of today for 91 octane is 1.50 per Litre. Now for the carry the one minus the arab and cross my dot conversion it means that 1 US gallon is equiv to 3.78 litres. (3.78 x 1.50 = 5.67) or $5.67 per gallon. Given at this very moment the US dollar has rebounded slightly and is now worth about 1.012 to the aussie dollar that means our Gas per gallon is $5.74 US per gallon.
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1 US gallon is equiv to 3.78 litres. (3.78 x 1.50 = 5.67) or $5.67 per gallon
hey sledge, how much of that price is the "tax"?
Last I checked, Fed taxes here are .57-.60 cents per gallon.
than there are state taxes which vary, like California.
The kicker is, there are oil deposits in this hemisphere, and the U.S, that rival the Mid East. All BHO has to do to lower the neurotic nature of the speculators and commodities mkts, is lift ALL moratoriums, and turn the folks loose to go get it.
If gas hits $5.00+/- here in the states, (which is what BHO wants), should make his re-election impossible. But he's a sly bastard. The Strategic Oil Reserves are 727,000,000 barrels. The U.S. averages 20,000,000 barrels a day.
(carry the one, subtract the rotation of the Earth, add a sunny day,.........about 34-36 days) than were dried up. We shouldn't even consider tapping any of it.
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Libya is 2% of total Mideast exports. But the speculators and futures market are weak kneed, hyperventilating, greedy bastards.
The fix was in long before Libya happened.....
http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/dec2010/bw20101230_850060.htm (http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/dec2010/bw20101230_850060.htm)
http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/may2009/bw20090526_169812.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index+-+temp_lifestyle (http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/may2009/bw20090526_169812.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index+-+temp_lifestyle)
http://www.insideautomotive.com/bizweek-columns.htm (http://www.insideautomotive.com/bizweek-columns.htm)
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1 US gallon is equiv to 3.78 litres. (3.78 x 1.50 = 5.67) or $5.67 per gallon
hey sledge, how much of that price is the "tax"?
Last I checked, Fed taxes here are .57-.60 cents per gallon.
than there are state taxes which vary, like California.
The kicker is, there are oil deposits in this hemisphere, and the U.S, that rival the Mid East. All BHO has to do to lower the neurotic nature of the speculators and commodities mkts, is lift ALL moratoriums, and turn the folks loose to go get it.
If gas hits $5.00+/- here in the states, (which is what BHO wants), should make his re-election impossible. But he's a sly bastard. The Strategic Oil Reserves are 727,000,000 barrels. The U.S. averages 20,000,000 barrels a day.
(carry the one, subtract the rotation of the Earth, add a sunny day,.........about 34-36 days) than were dried up. We shouldn't even consider tapping any of it.
federal taxs are 18 cents at the pump. in ca there is also a 17 cent tax.
its the futures and options market that is driving up the price. supply and demand has some roll to play, but not much.
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1 US gallon is equiv to 3.78 litres. (3.78 x 1.50 = 5.67) or $5.67 per gallon
hey sledge, how much of that price is the "tax"?
38.1 cents per litre excise tax per litre + 10% GST
so 38.1 x 3.7 for your tax per gallon equivalent not including the GST component
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$3.39 to $3.49 here in NE Ohio. Funny thing is, that is the range within 1/8 mile! Doesn't normally happen that way. Usually when one sets the price they all follow within 1 mile radius.
Richard
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federal taxs are 18 cents at the pump. in ca there is also a 17 cent tax.
its the futures and options market that is driving up the price. supply and demand has some roll to play, but not much.
They stabbing ya for a little more than .17 cents, buddy.... ....about .35 cents for state excise tax and another .10 cents state/local sales tax.......according to the link below.
http://energyalmanac.ca.gov/gasoline/margins/index.html
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I'm talking about at the pump. not other taxs.
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I'm talking about at the pump. not other taxs.
What part do you not pay "at the pump"? ;D ;D
Fed excise tax is .18 per gallon.
State excise tax is .35 per gallon.
State and local sales taxes add up to .10 per gallon.
Are they charged at different places?
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In St. Petersburg, Florida this morning I saw $3.51 for reg and $3.74 for diesel.
The thing that's odd about all of this is that it cannot be a cost factor for the station operator or distributor--there hasn't been enough time for this more pricey oil to get into the system. It's just a decision to gouge the consumer while the gouging is good.
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they are charged to diffrent people, yes we pay them in the end.
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In St. Petersburg, Florida this morning I saw $3.51 for reg and $3.74 for diesel.
The thing that's odd about all of this is that it cannot be a cost factor for the station operator or distributor--there hasn't been enough time for this more pricey oil to get into the system. It's just a decision to gouge the consumer while the gouging is good.
That is exactly what is going on...at least here on the east coast due to Spring Break and Bike Week in late February and March. Happens every year.....gas will jump .30 overnight (like last week) and that can't be completely due to oil prices. The last time gas here was $3.45 a gallon, crude oil was in the $130/barrel range. It jumped .30 a gallon over night last week and oil was at $102/barrel.
I know conditions change from one year to the next, but greed is still driving the bus overall...I don't care what the oil company execs say about it.....they are in business to make money and they must maintain profit margins for investors.
http://www.oil-price.net/
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they are charged to diffrent people, yes we pay them in the end.
;D Yep, on that I agree 100%....WE THE PEOPLE always get it in the end. ;D
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http://www.api.org/statistics/fueltaxes/upload/Gasoline_Diesel_Summary.pdf
California is 66 cents at the high end for total taxes and fees with Alaska at the bottom at about 25 cents.
The Fed takes 18.4 cents for every gallon sold in the US.
Hawaii, New York and Connecticut are next in line.
I just filled up in MA about at 1030 at 40 cents less than our local price in town here......$3.39 vs 3.79...
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I must admit that I have quit looking at the pump prices, for two reasons:
1) It just depresses me.
2) It's not like I'm gonna not buy it if I need it. And out here in rural America, our options are limited.
So bend over, assume the position, and take it like a man.
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I must admit that I have quit looking at the pump prices, for two reasons:
1) It just depresses me.
2) It's not like I'm gonna not buy it if I need it. And out here in rural America, our options are limited.
So bend over, assume the position, and take it like a man.
I feel for you. When I lived in CA years ago, 300 miles north of SF in Humboldt County, we had about three stations within a thirty mile radius. Though I'm out in the sticks, I can pop over to RI and save a few cents if I'm there. Closer to the bigger towns, things drop 10-15 cents a gallon on average.
The local station dropped their price 6 cents this morning to 3.73. I was about to call the state and report them for gouging but I doubt it would have done any good.
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For some reason gas on my side of town cost more than it does where my mom lives, 8 miles away on the other side of town. I usually pay about 8-10 cents more per gallon, but I don't think it's worth driving across town to fill up.
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Here in Socal its 3.89 for regular, and $65.00 got a little past 3/4 of a tank.
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It's been $3.49 in western PA for the last couple days. I haven't been out yet today, though.
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I filled up Friday when it was $3.39. It was $3.19 at the same place the previous Monday, and 2 weeks ago it was $2.89.
I hope BHO enjoyed his golf game this weekend.
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May 10, 1973 I took my driving test for my Michigan driver license.
I could fill up my 65 Mustang for less money than I'm paying for two gallons of gasoline today!
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I dread filling up my F-150 this week.
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I dread filling up my F-150 this week.
I hear ya.
Half a tank in my Silverado yesterday was $50. >:( :( :( :'( :'( :'(
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I hear ya.
Half a tank in my Silverado yesterday was $50. >:( :( :( :'( :'( :'(
I have a 37 gallon tank in my truck and get 10-12 mpg... any time you want to trade. I tipically get gas between 375-400 miles and generally get 35-36 gallons.
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I have a 37 gallon tank in my truck and get 10-12 mpg... any time you want to trade. I tipically get gas between 375-400 miles and generally get 35-36 gallons.
Ouch!!!! ;D
I have a 27 gallon and get around 17 mpg average.......which is a little over 450 miles per tank, depending on how much, and how hard, I get into the fun-pedal.....or 'foot-feed' (as my grandma called it).
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I'm very easy on and off the gas and brake. I also try to only go 60 mph on the free way max. I'd prefer to do 55 as I get much better milage at 55 then I do 60.
if the truck was worth more I'd get a gearvenders OD unit and cover the c6 in to bascily a 6 speed, but at almost 4k its not worth it
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Some of the new V8's in the Silverado and F150 trucks get better than 20 MPG! Diesel is even better but there is the cost of fuel difference to consider.
Considering my Ranger V6 doesn't get much better with no load, I'd consider a larger PU in the future if I buy another. My feather hauler is eight years old with 86K on her so I'll be keeping it until the wheels fall off of her!
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Some of the new V8's in the Silverado and F150 trucks get better than 20 MPG! Diesel is even better but there is the cost of fuel difference to consider.
Considering my Ranger V6 doesn't get much better with no load, I'd consider a larger PU in the future if I buy another. My feather hauler is eight years old with 86K on her so I'll be keeping it until the wheels fall off of her!
any one that claims to get 20 mpg in a 3/4 ton truck, is FULL OF SHIT. The older diesel did get good milage, the new ones get shit. Its all the smog crap. 18 mpg is about the best you will see with a 3/4 diesel, 12-16 is more like it.
Even a half ton truck 18 mpg is pushing it. I mean yeah on a strait flat hwy at 55 you might see 20, but in the real world, no way in hell.
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I worked with a guy that said he was averaging 20 MPG in a F350, 4 x 4 with the big diesel. He swore to me that was the number. I never challenged him but I always doubted it. Never checked into it much either.
Considering he turned out to be a dishonest prick after I worked for him for a few years, I suppose he was probably full of shit!
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My F150 is a 90 and it averages about 14 MPG. Don't use except for farm chores.
I think I might have a $100 day at the pump this week.
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I have seen some diesel owners get decent mileage after they spent a few hundred $$$'s on aftermarket computer tuners and upgrades.
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I worked with a guy that said he was averaging 20 MPG in a F350, 4 x 4 with the big diesel. He swore to me that was the number. I never challenged him but I always doubted it. Never checked into it much either.
Considering he turned out to be a dishonest prick after I worked for him for a few years, I suppose he was probably full of shit!
whats funny is almost all the guys that claim to get betting 20+ mpg in thier trucks have over sized wheels and tires and/or diffrent rearend raitos, yet have never corrected thier speedo... lol then again often time its thier math or record keeping that actually sucks.
I saw a hualing company that spent almost 40k on a 1 ton truck in mods. that average alittle over 19 towing 10k lbs. they ran up and down I5( long strait and flat) going in the low 50s. Then again these were professional driver, that built a truck for just this purpose. They had spliter as well as a 2 speed OD installed, bunch of work to make the truck lighter, and electronic work to shift the power curve lower.
some of thier other trucks that were not moded were not breaking 10 on the same run.
A basic 1 ton HD model right now is about 60k from ford, chevy or dodge. If you mess with it, your warrenity is gone. Not many people out there willing to spend 100k on a truck these days.
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Dan had the F350 Lariat, V10 diesel, 4 x 4 with a fifth wheel, loaded to the gills. Not a dualy but a beast, in 2005 he dropped nearly 44K on the thing. Between that and his travel trailer he had 80K in vehicle and trailer mortgaged to the hilt.
The longer I've known this guy, though he's technically pretty sharp, the less I think of him. In general terms, he's an idiot and as is well known, you can't fix stupid. He also owns a 2003 Heritage Springer Softail he spent nearly 25K on because he figured it would never lose its value. WRONG!
He's one of the reasons I changed jobs. I recently found out he's managed to rape and pillage his way to General Manager of that company.
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BOHICA
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Dan had the F350 Lariat, V10 diesel, 4 x 4 with a fifth wheel, loaded to the gills. Not a dualy but a beast, in 2005 he dropped nearly 44K on the thing. Between that and his travel trailer he had 80K in vehicle and trailer mortgaged to the hilt.
The longer I've known this guy, though he's technically pretty sharp, the less I think of him. In general terms, he's an idiot and as is well known, you can't fix stupid. He also owns a 2003 Heritage Springer Softail he spent nearly 25K on because he figured it would never lose its value. WRONG!
He's one of the reasons I changed jobs. I recently found out he's managed to rape and pillage his way to General Manager of that company.
the v10 is gas.
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the v10 is gas.
Then I'm mistaken in the motor cuz his was definitely the diesel.
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01 Ram 2500.
5.9HO Cummins cause I'd rather be cummin than stroking
6 Spd NV5600 w/Southbend double disk clutch
Dana 80/60
Edge Juice w/attitude
50hp injectors
Holset 35mm turbo
K&N air filter
Straight pipe exhaust with 6" stacks
2" leveling kit
285/75/16 tires w/alloys
36 Gallon fuel tank. Best 19 MPG's worst is 17 MPG's. Odom was never recalibrated so in actuality I am getting better than that I just don't know how to calculate it.
How do I do it?
All oils were switched over to AMSOIL (I ams an AMSOIL dealer), and I run a 1 ounce 2 cycle oil to 1 gallon diesel ratio. Biodiesel when I can and most importantly I spent a good deal of time learning my power curve. Nutral down hill keep it at 1500 RPMS on the up.
All this said at $4.00 a gal here in SE PA life pretty much sucks.
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depends, when its a comptur controled they have to flash the system. when its old school, you fallow the cable down to the trans and replace the gear on the end and/or the gear in the tranny.
just a FYI, removing the cat is a federal felony... so it you have one, you need to run one.
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With the increase in computerization in the engine you no longer gain any thing by removing it any way.
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yes and no.
it would be intresting to see what kind of MPG we could get with modern electronics with out smog crap.
My next truck will be pre 76. It will have a 351w, AOd4, a 4 bbl vaccum secondar carb and points.
if it ever brakes I will be able to fix it with a screw driver.
my brother that went to school to become a mechanic and was one for awhile can fix computer controled cars, but if its got a carb he can't fix shit. it cracks me up, they don't even teach it anymore.
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With the proper octane gas, a properly tuned v-8 without all the smog equipment will usually run cleaner than a car with shitty gas and emissions control equipment.
I had a Car Craft issue where a guy passed the 'sniff test' machine with a 427 big block Chevy in a Chevelle (obviously wouldn't pass the visual equipment test), but can't find the article.
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I know when I fill up with nevada gas I get about a extra mpg. no alky in thier gas.
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Hey Ratcatcher it just cost me $98.00 to fill up my work truck. My Chevy 2500 6.0L burps after a fill up. Not so bad with my 1500 though it only has 4.3L.
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(http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz332/CaptDave2010/gasprices.jpg)
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Forget Silverados and Expeditions. This will kill the airlines and cargo transporters. It takes 3,000 to 4,500 gallons for a fully laden 747 to take off and climb to 30,000 feet. At $5.00 @ gallon that's roughly $15,000.00 to $22,500.00 in fuel costs alone for the first 20 minutes of flight. At cruise it burns 1 gallon per second! 60 gallons per minute, 3,600 gallons per hour. And the 747 is considered one of the more fuel efficient aircraft in service on a cost per passenger mile, or pound of cargo basis. Look at fares and cargo fees to go sky high.
Remember Hussein wants this. He has as much as said so. Higher fuel prices equates to forced conservation in his mind. He wants everyone to drive one of those little "green" $h!t boxes, no matter if they want to or not. This is the fastest way to get them to do things his way. He doesn't give a damn about what the people want. His "health care program" proved that if it proved anything. Bill T.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/transport/flight/modern/question192.htm
Fuel burn 747-200s or 747-300s...
Jet fuel weighs 6.84 pounds per gallon.
1,000 kg (2,200 lbs) for the taxi-out for takeoff...
Assuming a heavy aircraft at 377,000 kg (833,000 lbs) takeoff weight, it will burn some 15,000 kg (33,000 lbs) to initial cruise level FL290 or 310...
First hours of cruise, expect some 13,000 kg (28,000 lbs) FF per hour...
As the plane gets lighter, at the end of cruise, maybe at FL370 or 390, the FF will decrease to under 10,000 kg (21,000 kg) per hour...
Descent, approach, landing, generally burn 3,000 kg (6,000 lbs) total...
Taxi-in will be anywhere from 500 to 1000 kg (1,000 to 2,000 lbs)...
That's an approx. average of over 220 gallons just to taxi in after it turns off the runway until it parks at the ramp!
In this 2:45 video it has consumed close to 800 gallons.
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Commercial over the road trucks get 5-6 mpg. When the rate goes to 4(+) a gallon that raises the cost of all goods delivered and there are DAMN FEW things on shelves in any store that didn't involve trucking. So look for SERIOUS food, and goods price increases in the near future.
Remember the tires on his truck, oil, etc are all costing him more, too. The costs must be passed on if the trucker is to remain in business.
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I know when I fill up with nevada gas I get about a extra mpg. no alky in thier gas.
We have a locally-owned gas station in town with non-ethanol gasoline that sells for the same price (or usually within a couple of cents per gallon) as the bigger operations (which nearly all run at least 10% ethanol). I get 2-4 mpg better mileage on the non-ethanol gas. A lot of folks think they are saving by running ethanol or E-85 because it runs 20-30 cents cheaper per gallon. But what they don't realize is that the ethanol burns at a higher rate per mile....so overall mileage suffers....usually to the point of being a wash money-wise.
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We have a locally-owned gas station in town with non-ethanol gasoline that sells for the same price (or usually within a couple of cents per gallon) as the bigger operations (which nearly all run at least 10% ethanol). I get 2-4 mpg better mileage on the non-ethanol gas. A lot of folks think they are saving by running ethanol or E-85 because it runs 20-30 cents cheaper per gallon. But what they don't realize is that the ethanol burns at a higher rate per mile....so overall mileage suffers....usually to the point of being a wash money-wise.
Not to mention destroying your new aluminum block engine faster due to the higher temperatures. >:(
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Hey Ratcatcher it just cost me $98.00 to fill up my work truck. My Chevy 2500 6.0L burps after a fill up. Not so bad with my 1500 though it only has 4.3L.
Thanks. I'll let you know what the damages are.
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Not to mention destroying your new aluminum block engine faster due to the higher temperatures. >:(
Yes, the heat issue is an ongoing debate amongst the ethanol crowd. Funny thing is, that alcohol-based fuel actually runs cooler in combustion engines, if the engine is set up to run alcohol. That is why many drag racing cars don't have radiators.
The problems with high heat in street cars running E-85 and such fuels seems to center around combustion/compression ratios and timing curves. Even though ethanol-based fuel has a higher octane rating than gas (97-100), it has a very different flash-point and burn rate, and needs more compression to take full advantage of it's potential. Many think this is where the higher heat issues come into play. It takes about 20% more Ethanol to equal the energy of gasoline.....which is also why fuel pumps and lines on many drag cars are high-flow and large (and the carbs are jetted differently). Basically, it takes more of it and it is harder to light...but once it is lit, it burns longer (instead of hotter) in the combustion chamber...thus potentially building more heat in street cars.
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regular unleaded here is $1.49 per litre the other day
so that would work out to be around $5.64 per US gallon
(http://gallery.mac.com/philw/100018/image95/web.jpg?ver=12105909110001)
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/ipad/petrol-prices-to-rise-4c-a-litre/story-fn6bqphm-1226017338365
Petrol prices to rise 4c a litre
Further upward pressure on fuel prices is forecast for the immediate future. Picture: Craig Hughes Source: The Advertiser
ANOTHER round of record high oil prices threatens to push pump prices up by 4c a litre.
Adelaide unleaded prices hit a high of $1.499 a litre late on Saturday and were sitting at an average of $1.492 yesterday afternoon, the RAA website says.
But the benchmark for Australian fuel prices, Singapore Tapis Crude, moved beyond $US117 a barrel to hit $US121.70 on Friday, signalling further upward pressure on fuel prices for motorists in the week ahead.
Motor Trades Association executive director John Chapman said today's prices mirrored those nearly 30 months ago when only a collapse in global demand stopped Australian fuel prices crashing through the $1.50 barrier.
But he warned motorists could be in for more difficult time as concerns about the Middle East continued to fire up speculators and global demand continued its recovery.
"If the global economy picks up, we will have consistently high fuel prices," he said. "Up to $2 a litre, if the demand is there. If we get back to those levels with limited supply, the only safe place is our strong dollar."
CommSec economist Savanth Sebastian said pump prices would rise 4c over the next two weeks based on unrest in the Middle East.
"Given the current tensions in the Middle East, the Singapore unleaded price has surged by over $US15 a barrel in the past three weeks and is holding at 30-month highs," he said.
"Unfortunately for motorists the Australian dollar can only do so much, and as such most of the increase in the global oil price will need to filter through to domestic pump prices."
RAA senior analyst Chris West said refiner margins had been cut to zero, taking some of the sting out of the retail price, but users of diesel continued to face much higher prices.
Diesel is the mainstay of heavy transport - meaning all consumers are likely to bear the cost as higher prices are passed on to food and other goods.
Mr West said motorists were being faced with an increasingly volatile market where the gap between the high and low points of the weekly fuel cycle had increased to 16c from 14c.
"The best thing motorists can do is fill up on Friday," he said.
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regular unleaded here is $1.49 per litre the other day so that would work out to be around $5.64 per US gallon.
I'm really surprised that anti Socialist Republicans don't seize on these facts more. If the difference between the pump price of a gallon of gas here compared to Socialist Australia or Continental Europe is around $2.24 a gallon, ($5.64 - $3.40 = $2.24), it is obvious that difference is TAX since a barrel of oil, along with the cost to refine and transport it, are the same world wide.
What does that horrendous tax actually buy in those countries, that is so much better? Are the schools any better? We already know their health care sucks. Police and fire respond any faster? We know their military can't hold a candle to ours, so that no doubt costs less. Where is all of this massive tax money going?
It's much like the state run lotteries here. They were sold to the people on the promise all of the profits would be used to fund our schools and maintain our roads and infrastructure. The kids graduating today are dumb as stumps, and the roads and bridges are all falling apart, and there isn't a dime to fix any of it. If this country went off the rails with Socialism the way Hussein would love to have it, it would simply equate to all the more money wasted. We already know that with Massachusetts state run health care, or "Romney Care" as it is known by. It's expensive as hell, it's bankrupting the state, and it sucks too boot. I can't believe anyone with a functioning brain would want such $h!t. Bill T.
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And it just keeps getting better. Bill T.
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?noframes;read=198282
http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911
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Cheapest I can find today is 3.39. Average is 3.50
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Yesterday it was $3.49 when I took my daughter to school, and it was $3.59 when I picked her up.
Why does the price only go up by a dime, but when it comes down it goes down by 1 or 2 cents? That was a rhetorical question, please don't answer.
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paid 3.95 yesterday
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Filled up this morning $3.45 reg unleaded.
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$3.40 today and I should have topped off but I want to see if it comes down again.
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$3.40 today and I should have topped off but I want to see if it comes down again.
Tuesdays and Wednesdays are the days to avoid buying in my little neck of the woods. Prices go up Tuesday around lunch and drop a little Thursday mornings....and then drift down a few pennies through Saturday.
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Our local market here in the Northeast gives you 10 cents off a gallon for every 100 bucks you spend on grocery products.
About once a month, I fill the tank of my truck for about 50 to 60 cents off the normal price. The problem is, it's a Shell station, one of the higher priced fuels in the neighborhood.
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up to $3.75 9/10ths a gallon Premium is just over $4.00 for HESS
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Does anyone really fall for the 9/10th of a cent any more?
??? ::)
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That's how the price is listed, That's how I report it ;D
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That's how the price is listed, That's how I report it ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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diesel dropped from $3.77 at 1pm to $3.66 at 5pm
87 octane dropped from $3.37 to $ 3.29 in same time frame
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Does anyone really fall for the 9/10th of a cent any more?
??? ::)
I have yet to recieve 1/10 of a cent change.
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Hey there,
I am fairly new to the forum but this is an area that I'm involved in daily. There are quite a few things that I am not at liberty to discuss in detail but I will say that in my experience gas prices seem to be more affected today by speculation and futures trading than actual supply and demand. It hasn't always been that way but such is the world we currently live in.
As for prices here they are currently hovering around 3.34 a gal.
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Hey there,
I am fairly new to the forum but this is an area that I'm involved in daily. There are quite a few things that I am not at liberty to discuss in detail but I will say that in my experience gas prices seem to be more affected today by speculation and futures trading than actual supply and demand. It hasn't always been that way but such is the world we currently live in.
As for prices here they are currently hovering around 3.34 a gal.
Welcome to DRTV Mate
so explain why we get bent over soo much here in Australia with BS happening over in the Middle East.
and why there can be a .25c price change over night grrr
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Hey there,
I am fairly new to the forum but this is an area that I'm involved in daily. There are quite a few things that I am not at liberty to discuss in detail but I will say that in my experience gas prices seem to be more affected today by speculation and futures trading than actual supply and demand. It hasn't always been that way but such is the world we currently live in.
As for prices here they are currently hovering around 3.34 a gal.
That is the same sort of false pricing that lead to the Great depression and every other "bubble" in history.
Investors think the prices can only keep rising, but eventually they get to a point where no one can afford to buy. then they drop below actual value, kind of like housing did not to long ago.
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Welcome to DRTV Mate
so explain why we get bent over soo much here in Australia with BS happening over in the Middle East.
and why there can be a .25c price change over night grrr
Every stock exchange around the globe is tied to the NYSE in one way or another. It's the same bunch of asshat traders making bundles off of the folks that can ill afford their shenanigans.
Speculation on commodities is one of the things that pisses me off about the exchanges. It's not a tangible thing, it's purely based on what someone is willing to pay and we all suffer for it.
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diesel dropped from $3.77 at 1pm to $3.66 at 5pm
87 octane dropped from $3.37 to $ 3.29 in same time frame
I'll give y'all a good'un.....
The wife and I both had doctors appointments the other day and passed our local wally world on the way. Gas price was $3.45 at around 8:00 AM. After the appointments, around 11:30 we went back by on the way to Lowes and the price was $3.56. Left Lowes and went to lunch. On the way home after lunch at around 1:00 PM it had dropped to $3.49. That evening at around 7:00PM, our son said it was at $3.46.
That is normal on certain days of the week around here.
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Just for fun, and don't forget, The New York Stock Exchange is going to be SOLD,.....to the Germans, for $9.53 Billion, what little news this is making.........
Deutschmarks anyone???? :'( Part of the New World Order,....
Hey, but Mayor Bloomberg likes it.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/10/us-exchanges-bloomberg-idUSTRE71966820110210
(Reuters) - New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg said on Thursday he supports advanced talks that would place the iconic New York Stock Exchange into the hands of Germany's Deutsche Boerse AG.
http://blogs.forbes.com/stevedenning/2011/02/15/what-the-sale-of-nyse-means-the-decline-of-management/
The reality is that this is not a merger. The NYSE is being bought. If the sale goes through, the NYSE will no longer exist as an independent entity. Putting up regulatory road blocks might delay the denouement, but ultimately those efforts are pointless. Instead, business leaders should examine the root cause of what is happening: the declining life expectancy of US corporations.
Keep your stocks up folks... :-[
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I am in no way an expert on gas prices just one of the many thousands of people who work for an oil company. I do see and hear more than the average person but only because it is what I do day in and day out. I can't speak for other areas of the country but I do know here the price change on gas happens only once per day. Some of the local business may delay or advance the time in which they post the fuel prices but I would be concerned if the price changed multiple times in a 12hr. period.
I can't explain prices in other countries there are to many variables that I am not familiar with. The amount of import vs. domestic production, tax issues, pipeline infrasturcture, transportation cost and consumption rates are just a few of the variables that are different everywhere you go, there are many more.
( Phil, thanks for the welcome. I'm glad to be here!)
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Just for fun, and don't forget, The New York Stock Exchange is going to be SOLD,.....to the Germans, for $9.53 Billion, what little news this is making.........
Deutschmarks Euro's anyone???? :'( Part of the New World Order,....
Hey, but Mayor Bloomberg likes it.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/10/us-exchanges-bloomberg-idUSTRE71966820110210
(Reuters) - New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg said on Thursday he supports advanced talks that would place the iconic New York Stock Exchange into the hands of Germany's Deutsche Boerse AG.
http://blogs.forbes.com/stevedenning/2011/02/15/what-the-sale-of-nyse-means-the-decline-of-management/
The reality is that this is not a merger. The NYSE is being bought. If the sale goes through, the NYSE will no longer exist as an independent entity. Putting up regulatory road blocks might delay the denouement, but ultimately those efforts are pointless. Instead, business leaders should examine the root cause of what is happening: the declining life expectancy of US corporations.
Keep your stocks up folks... :-[
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The Euro is in far worse danger of collapse than the dollar. Bill T.
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I found this on another site.
SOME TIPS ON PUMPING GAS
Only buy or fill up your car or truck in the early morning when the ground temperature is still cold. Remember that all service stations have their storage tanks buried below ground. The colder the ground the more dense the gasoline, when it gets warmer gasoline expands, so buying in the afternoon or in the evening....your gallon is not exactly a gallon. In the petroleum business, the specific gravity and the temperature of the gasoline, diesel and jet fuel, ethanol and other petroleum products plays an important role.
A 1-degree rise in temperature is a big deal for this business. But the service stations do not have temperature compensation at the pumps.
When you're filling up do not squeeze the trigger of the nozzle to a fast mode If you look you will see that the trigger has three (3) stages: low, middle, and high. You should be pumping on low mode, thereby minimizing the vapors that are created while you are pumping. All hoses at the pump have a vapor return. If you are pumping on the fast rate, some of the liquid that goes to your tank becomes vapor. Those vapors are being sucked up and back into the underground storage tank so you're getting less worth for your money.
One of the most important tips is to fill up when your gas tank is HALF FULL. The reason for this is the more gas you have in your tank the less air occupying its empty space. Gasoline evaporates faster than you can imagine. Gasoline storage tanks have an internal floating roof. This roof serves as zero clearance between the gas and the atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation. Unlike service stations, every truck that is loaded is temperature compensated so that every gallon is actually the exact amount.
Another reminder, if there is a gasoline truck pumping into the storage tanks when you stop to buy gas, DO NOT fill up; most likely the gasoline is being stirred up as the gas is being delivered, and you might pick up some of the dirt that normally settles on the bottom."
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I found this on another site.
SOME TIPS ON PUMPING GAS
Only buy or fill up your car or truck in the early morning when the ground temperature is still cold. Remember that all service stations have their storage tanks buried below ground. The colder the ground the more dense the gasoline, when it gets warmer gasoline expands, so buying in the afternoon or in the evening....your gallon is not exactly a gallon. In the petroleum business, the specific gravity and the temperature of the gasoline, diesel and jet fuel, ethanol and other petroleum products plays an important role.
A 1-degree rise in temperature is a big deal for this business. But the service stations do not have temperature compensation at the pumps.
When you're filling up do not squeeze the trigger of the nozzle to a fast mode If you look you will see that the trigger has three (3) stages: low, middle, and high. You should be pumping on low mode, thereby minimizing the vapors that are created while you are pumping. All hoses at the pump have a vapor return. If you are pumping on the fast rate, some of the liquid that goes to your tank becomes vapor. Those vapors are being sucked up and back into the underground storage tank so you're getting less worth for your money.
One of the most important tips is to fill up when your gas tank is HALF FULL. The reason for this is the more gas you have in your tank the less air occupying its empty space. Gasoline evaporates faster than you can imagine. Gasoline storage tanks have an internal floating roof. This roof serves as zero clearance between the gas and the atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation. Unlike service stations, every truck that is loaded is temperature compensated so that every gallon is actually the exact amount.
Another reminder, if there is a gasoline truck pumping into the storage tanks when you stop to buy gas, DO NOT fill up; most likely the gasoline is being stirred up as the gas is being delivered, and you might pick up some of the dirt that normally settles on the bottom."
That's good. I'm borrowing it.
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Another reminder, if there is a gasoline truck pumping into the storage tanks when you stop to buy gas, DO NOT fill up; most likely the gasoline is being stirred up as the gas is being delivered, and you might pick up some of the dirt that normally settles on the bottom."
My Dad used to haul gas, when unloading the gas comes out of the hose with force like a fire hose.
Any sediment, water, or other crap in the bottom of the tank WILL be stirred up.
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Some of these tips while good in theory in alot of cases are unnecessary. At most of your high volume gas stations such as Walmart, Sams, Costco, Qt etc.... the tanks are never aloud to get low enough to have to worry about things being stirred up. The reasons are the same for the major oil companies if there is vapor in the tank the evaporation is slightly increased. Most of these high volume stations never let there tanks get that low.
Also fuel unloaded is only done so at these type of stations by gravity. There is not any outside force other than gravity controlling the pressure of the fuel. They don't get stirred near like people are thinking. There are also particulate filters at each of the pumps to keep solids from entering the vehicle. This is why you generally hear about water in fuel not particulate.
While filling up in the morning while ground temps. are low again is only going to be possibly noticed by those in Southern areas and then in the summer. Those in northern climates will never know the difference. There are also steps taken to help the evaporation rates in summer time. They are indeed regulated but generally at the state level. This is one of the reasons people will notice a decrease in mpg. in the winter vs. the summer. As a result summer spec. gas usualy costs more.
GasMan
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Ok here is a question for you petroleum gurus: When purchasing fuel for long term storage (I rotate and cycle through about once a year with all my gas cans) Is it better to get summer spec gasoline, or winter?
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I am in no way an expert on gas prices just one of the many thousands of people who work for an oil company. I do see and hear more than the average person but only because it is what I do day in and day out. I can't speak for other areas of the country but I do know here the price change on gas happens only once per day. Some of the local business may delay or advance the time in which they post the fuel prices but I would be concerned if the price changed multiple times in a 12hr. period.
I can't explain prices in other countries there are to many variables that I am not familiar with. The amount of import vs. domestic production, tax issues, pipeline infrasturcture, transportation cost and consumption rates are just a few of the variables that are different everywhere you go, there are many more.
( Phil, thanks for the welcome. I'm glad to be here!)
I think what it is here is the wal-mart and a couple of the other larger chain companies have folks in cubicles somewhere running spreadsheets on what time of day is optimum for higher sales volume and on what days this can be capitalized on by adjusting prices.
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It does depend slightly on the regs. where you live but generally speaking summer gas. Winter gas is generally formulated to be more prone to evaporation due to a higher rvp allowed in winter fuel. Rvp or vapor pressure is a measurement of the evaporation tendencies of the fuel. The higher the rvp the more prone to evaporation. Hope this helps.
GasMan
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I think what it is here is the wal-mart and a couple of the other larger chain companies have folks in cubicles somewhere running spreadsheets on what time of day is optimum for higher sales volume and on what days this can be capitalized on by adjusting prices.
Again I don't know the specifics in your area but here if a station is changing the price of fuel throughout the day to match times of increased traffic vs. actual fuel prices I would be a little concerned.
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Again I don't know the specifics in your area but here if a station is changing the price of fuel throughout the day to match times of increased traffic vs. actual fuel prices I would be a little concerned.
I don't do business at either place any longer because of the frequency of price shifts. I buy from a locally-owned and operated station with non-ethanol gas.
I have considered sending a letter of inquiry to the state agriculture commissioner (overseer of gasoline-related issues) and asking about the price change frequency. Now that it is fresh in my mind, I may just get to it.
*As a side note, the state of Georgia levied considerable fines over the few years after hurricane Katrina due to price gouging. There were so many complaints that it took the commission several years to investigate them all.
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I response to what BillT posted about the temperature of the fuel. I just read an article debunking this myth as inaccurate. Their premise was that the tanks are stored underground and just about anywhere on old Tera Fir-ma, the temperature of the earth below 50" of depth is a constant temperature and will have little effect on fuel being more dense at lower morning temperatures.
In other words, as Gasman has stated, it ain't going to give you more gas in your tank.
Most of the fuel myths you hear are bogus. I'm no expert, just someone who pumped gas in another life. Stations have two grades of fuel in tanks, lo-test and hi-test and any octane delivered in between is a percentage mix of those two grades.
We can't buy anything that doesn't contain at least 10% ethanol here. I've never concerned myself with it. If I had a high end restored muscle car I'd worry. For my daily transport, I don't really care where I buy gas. It's like a proctological exam these days anyway.
Hold your breath, it'll be over soon enough...the exam I mean! Gas prices have only begun to go up my friends.
;)
http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/112266/gas-savings-tips-that-don%27t-actually-work?mod=series-e-article
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My mom was watching the news and called me up. Gas is $3.65 and going up again tomorrow.
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I response to what BillT posted about the temperature of the fuel. I just read an article debunking this myth as inaccurate. Their premise was that the tanks are stored underground and just about anywhere on old Tera Fir-ma, the temperature of the earth below 50" of depth is a constant temperature and will have little effect on fuel being more dense at lower morning temperatures.
While that may be true at depth, there is a lot of near to the surface piping that feeds the gas pumps at these large Mini Mart Stations, of which many are covered by thousands of sq. ft. of concrete with piping leading to all of the pumps just several inches below the surface. Out here in Arizona in the Summer it can easily reach 112 degrees plus during the heat of the day. The fuel in these pipes are several degrees hotter than the fuel in the storage tanks themselves. Hotter fuel is less dense.
This isn't going to matter in Fargo in January, but it will in Phoenix in July. It is pretty much common knowledge around here to gas up early in the morning. Bill T.
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Some of these tips while good in theory in alot of cases are unnecessary. At most of your high volume gas stations such as Walmart, Sams, Costco, Qt etc.... the tanks are never aloud to get low enough to have to worry about things being stirred up. The reasons are the same for the major oil companies if there is vapor in the tank the evaporation is slightly increased. Most of these high volume stations never let there tanks get that low.
Also fuel unloaded is only done so at these type of stations by gravity. There is not any outside force other than gravity controlling the pressure of the fuel. They don't get stirred near like people are thinking. There are also particulate filters at each of the pumps to keep solids from entering the vehicle. This is why you generally hear about water in fuel not particulate.
While filling up in the morning while ground temps. are low again is only going to be possibly noticed by those in Southern areas and then in the summer. Those in northern climates will never know the difference. There are also steps taken to help the evaporation rates in summer time. They are indeed regulated but generally at the state level. This is one of the reasons people will notice a decrease in mpg. in the winter vs. the summer. As a result summer spec. gas usualy costs more.
GasMan
The "Gravity" generated by a 3,000 gallon tank compartment draining through a 3 inch line will blow a bucket out of your hand.
It is more than enough to stir the sediment in the bottom of a half full tank
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While that may be true at depth, there is a lot of near to the surface piping that feeds the gas pumps at these large Mini Mart Stations, of which many are covered by thousands of sq. ft. of concrete with piping leading to all of the pumps just several inches below the surface. Out here in Arizona in the Summer it can easily reach 112 degrees plus during the heat of the day. The fuel in these pipes are several degrees hotter than the fuel in the storage tanks themselves. Hotter fuel is less dense.
This isn't going to matter in Fargo in January, but it will in Phoenix in July. It is pretty much common knowledge around here to gas up early in the morning. Bill T.
It may well be true...
But, it's kinda like drinking lite beer while you're mowing through a meat lovers pizza for dinner. The savings are probably as insignificant as the the calorie savings drinking terrible tasting beer.
Most days, I get dusted going home by a Prius doing about 90 mph. I'm pretty sure my little car is getting better mileage than that asshole!
;D
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If it were not for the 50% Govt subsidy on "Hybrid" cars most Prius owners would be driving something less expensive, like maybe a Porsche 911.
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If it were not for the 50% Govt subsidy on "Hybrid" cars most Prius owners would be driving something less expensive, like maybe a Porsche 911.
How does this work? This is the first I've heard of it. 50% for the buyer or builder? Bill T.
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For the builder, The actual cost of the average Hybrid is about $80,000 the buyer pays in the range of $40,000.
The rest is made up of subsidies and out right loss to the manufacturer. No car manufacturer has ever broke even selling "green" cars. That's why GM dropped all it's hybrid models 10 years ago. That's why the "Smartcar" program in some large cities was finally scrapped by the last hold out San Fransisco last year. it cost far more than it was worth.
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The "Gravity" generated by a 3,000 gallon tank compartment draining through a 3 inch line will blow a bucket out of your hand.
It is more than enough to stir the sediment in the bottom of a half full tank
Not trying to argue the point but stir is not the right word to use for this. Yes there is pressure due to the volume of gas but it is also diminishing the moment you start to unload. If the point of entry of the fuel was at the bottom I would be more inclined to agree but it is dumped from the top. I have also watched multiiple videos of this process to see what the actual effects are and yes the lower the volume of product in the storage tank the greater the effect but unless the tank is near empty it is anything but dramatic.
On a side note my wife is lauging at me. I joined a gun site forum due to my interest and escape from work and the majority of my posts so far have been about work! Go figure ::)
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On a side note my wife is lauging at me. I joined a gun site forum due to my interest and escape from work and the majority of my posts so far have been about work! Go figure ::)
Gasman, good to have you here. Don't worry about the wife, just don't leave a link available so she can check up on you! ;D
Another informed opinion on any subject is welcome here! Some may ruffle a feather or two but for the most part we're all like minded folks..
Welcome aboard!
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The "Gravity" generated by a 3,000 gallon tank compartment draining through a 3 inch line will blow a bucket out of your hand.
It is more than enough to stir the sediment in the bottom of a half full tank
Before environmentalists came along hydraulic mining was all done by gravity and pipe diameter reduction. They could generate enough water pressure to blast rock free from mountainsides. Remember "La Hood Mining" in the movie "Pale Rider"?
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One foot of water at 62 degrees F = 0.433 PSI. To find the PSI for any feet head, multiply the feet of head by 0.433.
100 ft is 43.3 psi
1000 ft is 433 psi
etc...
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4.05 was the cheapest I saw to day in the bay area.
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Just stopped at the local convenience store, the guy was carrying the sign pole out the door. I thought here we go again, but it actually went down .06 to 3.43
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I filled up the old truck today $87.50
It could have been worse, I had a $0.15 a gallon discount and the front tank only took 10 gallons.
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Makes me like my little 15 gallon tank. Yeah, gotta fill it more often. But when time comes it doesn't hurt so bad! The truck I just sold had a 29 gallon tank and got 12mpg with a wind behind it. Wanna guess why it got sold? ;)
(http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww40/BigCheeseStick/P10107802.jpg?t=1301431449)
Size matters! Being little and light, she gets 24 in town, and near 28 hwy.
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There's always this answer to high gas prices. Around here LOTS of people ride them year round.
They do 60mph! Don't require tags, insurance, anything other than gas. And get something like 80+ mpg! :)
(http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww40/BigCheeseStick/7-l.jpg?t=1301431845)
Shop online n get one for around $600 bucks delivered to your house.
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I have a Quarter horse if it gets too bad. ;D
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Update.....April 14 in Eastern CT is at $4.04/gal for 87 octane with 10% ethanol additive.
Still moving in the wrong direction unless you're initials are BHO!
My little truck was 54 bucks to fill the other day, that's a personal best for me!
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Averaging around $3.90 here. I'm putting off filling up to see which way it goes.
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Nothing under $4.00 here, anywhere from $4.15- $4.50 for regular.
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Paid $3.79 here today.
$50 for a freakin' 1/2 tank.
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Here in Socal its $4.19. :o >:(
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Here in Socal its $4.19. :o >:(
$4.28 today here... sucks.
my wifes been complaining alot lately as she needs 91 in the stang... I have a feeling the stang is going to have to either have me install a a/c system or she is going to want to sell it... I wonder if I can talk her into a pantera ;D ... ok well maybe a vintage air system. They have them that look like they came from the factory only about $1300 bucks and a week end to install( can you tell i've done it before lol)
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Update.....April 22 in Eastern CT is at $4.18/gal for 87 octane with 10% ethanol additive.
8 days and 14 cents increase. At this rate, it don't look good....
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I guess I should be happy. Premium here is $3.81 as of yesterday. Bill T.
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$3.66-$3.79 is the general spread for various brands of 87 octane here.
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:o http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/22/news/economy/highest_gas_prices_in_the_nation/index.htm?hpt=T2 :'(
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you know its bad when 100LL is $1.40 cheaper a gallon then 91 octane at the pump....
The lake was great, only a couple fishermen on the entire lake, got to make lots of speed runs.
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you know its bad when 100LL is $1.40 cheaper a gallon then 91 octane at the pump....
The lake was great, only a couple fishermen on the entire lake, got to make lots of speed runs.
I thought 100LL was running around $5.75.
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They're already talking how this will kill Hussein in the next election. There just may be a silver lining in this dark cloud after all. Bill T.
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Mid Michigan $3.97 Easter Sunday
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I thought 100LL was running around $5.75.
it was $3.40, but I didn't get it at the airport.
There is a local gas station that has all kinds of cool gas at the pump. they just won't let you put it in a container( unless its in a trailer with a race car/ non highway toy) or your car.
There is always a long line of boats and race cars at that place. when they have poker runs, its not uncommon to pull up to the pump and notice that the last guy got $1500 in fuel.
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About 80 miles north of me in central MA I paid $3.84 yesterday.
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$3.89 here. Bout time to gouge us since the warmer weather is coming. >:(
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3.99 for 87 oct. North Central Indiana. >:(
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Its $4.24 today. >:(
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SOB!!! Went to $4.17 today. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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I heard today that the "experts" are predicting that the gas prices have just about peaked and that they won't reach the record levels we had when the evil Bush was President.
So I guess they're saying the prices aren't going to go up before the summer driving season. This year is going to be different from every other year ever.
Who are these unnamed experts? Can I get paid to make wild speculations, too? I can also be wrong about the economy for a small amount of extra money.
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Woke up Monday morning to gas at $3.97, at 12:00 PM, $4.17! Going to a Tea Party organizing meeting tomorrow. Enough is Enough!
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No sense at all in these gas prices. The financial community is coming out all over the place in financial rags and websites saying that commodities exchange is legal, there is nothing wrong. The cockroaches don't like the spotlight.
I sure wish we were getting more than about $75 a barrel for the oil my company is selling.
So, 42 gallons in a barrel for those who don't know and let's call it $4 a gallon so $160/bbl. Now, refining and transpo (and mostly taxes, no kiddin'...mostly taxes) add to the cost but when oil was $45 a gallon we were paying about $1.85 or about $77 a barrel. The difference between $77 and $45, oddly enough, is $32 a barrel whereas the diffence now between $160 and $110 is $50 a barrel. The margin here has increased for somebody.
So...speculators are adding...let's say $25/bbl. The margin has increased about $18/bbl or a whopping 56%.
Also, since oil was at $125-$140 per barrel three years ago all of those store price increases because of the price of oil...they never went down did they? Stores like those big time margins so up goes the prices on the cry of oil prices again.
All because somebody went beserk on Libya....so why are we not in Syria for the same reason? Somebody is orchestrating this upheval in the middle east and northern Africa for their own benefit.....this time it is not the west or regional interests.
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Here it's $3.60 at Sam's for the 87 octane w/10% ethanol (with a Sam's card of course!). Other stations closer to the freeway are charging $3.79 for the same stuff.
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No sense at all in these gas prices. The financial community is coming out all over the place in financial rags and websites saying that commodities exchange is legal, there is nothing wrong. The cockroaches don't like the spotlight.
I sure wish we were getting more than about $75 a barrel for the oil my company is selling.
So, 42 gallons in a barrel for those who don't know and let's call it $4 a gallon so $160/bbl. Now, refining and transpo (and mostly taxes, no kiddin'...mostly taxes) add to the cost but when oil was $45 a gallon we were paying about $1.85 or about $77 a barrel. The difference between $77 and $45, oddly enough, is $32 a barrel whereas the diffence now between $160 and $110 is $50 a barrel. The margin here has increased for somebody.
So...speculators are adding...let's say $25/bbl. The margin has increased about $18/bbl or a whopping 56%.
Also, since oil was at $125-$140 per barrel three years ago all of those store price increases because of the price of oil...they never went down did they? Stores like those big time margins so up goes the prices on the cry of oil prices again.
All because somebody went beserk on Libya....so why are we not in Syria for the same reason? Somebody is orchestrating this upheval in the middle east and northern Africa for their own benefit.....this time it is not the west or regional interests.
Absolutely, Rastus.
I was reading an article about this the other day. The last time gas was $3.60+ per gallon, oil was around $145 per barrel. A few weeks ago, I looked (and heard the commodities report on TV) that oil was at $112 per barrel, but gas was already at $3.60 per gallon.
They have finagled the margins after............. getting folks accustomed to paying the price.
The typical cycle of increase around here over the last few years is to jump the price $.20 over night....then in a few days drop by $.15 and folks flock to the pumps.....then wait a few days and jump the $.20 again...and then drop $.15.
*As a side note, I did also hear a local area report that gas demand had dropped 25% in our area over last years numbers. With the trickle down, and increase of prices for everything else related to fuel prices, we're seeing a lot less RV's, boats, and ATV's being towed compared to this time last year.........looks like folks in my neck of the woods have been squeezed to squealin'.
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Update.....April 22 in Eastern CT is at $4.18/gal for 87 octane with 10% ethanol additive.
8 days and 14 cents increase. At this rate, it don't look good....
Add another 6 cents. $4.24 after four days....still ain't gonna buy a Prius..or a Volt or a Hybrid...
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I finally gassed up today. It was $4.09 but I got $.10 off with my Kroger card. 15 gallons for $60 even. I knew I should have stopped for gas last week but I waited until I was down to half a tank. I think it went up 30 cents in a week.
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I finally gassed up today. It was $4.09 but I got $.10 off with my Kroger card. 15 gallons for $60 even. I knew I should have stopped for gas last week but I waited until I was down to half a tank. I think it went up 30 cents in a week.
Frank,
Does Meijer give discounts anymore? Been a long time since I heard the Kroger reference.
We get some discounts from our local chain too but it doesn't make much difference. I can drive five miles into RI and save 20 to 30 cents a gallon. I haven't actually bought gas locally for some time now as I find myself in MA or RI when I need gas.
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I don't know if Meijer has discounts or not. They aren't on my side of town so I never go there. At Kroger you have to buy $100 (or 150?) in groceries in a month to get 10 cents off, otherwise it's just 3 cents. I'm not ready to trade in my gas guzzler for a hybrid either.
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Same here, 100 bucks gets you 10 cents of Shell gas which happens to be some of the priciest fuel around. I figure I spend 100 bucks a week on food (beer doesn't count :P) so I'm looking at 40 cents a month. I fill up my truck with 13-14 gallons so I save the discounts till I have about a dollar off before I use them.
One way or another they're gonna get you. For me, the market is also one of the pricier to shop at in the area.
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24 gallons of 89 octane cost me $103.00. Ask me how pissed of I was this morning. :o :( >:(
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Absolutely, Rastus.
I was reading an article about this the other day. The last time gas was $3.60+ per gallon, oil was around $145 per barrel. ...............................................*As a side note, I did also hear a local area report that gas demand had dropped 25% in our area over last years numbers. With the trickle down, and increase of prices for everything else related to fuel prices, we're seeing a lot less RV's, boats, and ATV's being towed compared to this time last year.........looks like folks in my neck of the woods have been squeezed to squealin'.
I have slowed down from my normal speeds and added mpg. These prices suck and this last run up falls squarely on the back of Obama and Secretary Clinton not providing leadership. If Colonel Mommar Ghadafi (sp, I know) was to be punished it should have been quite some time ago. He complied to a number of demands since his terrorist actions so now the world sees us as someone who demands compliance and then punishes anyone who falls in line on a whim. Leaders could have prevented the foreign intrusion into Libya's business and this entire mess would have been over by now and prices down.
Of course, we are so consistent we stuck our nose in Libya's business so why not Syria now, or Iran, etc....same situations...what gives? I really think Europe was pissing down both legs worried about refugees and offending their mooslim populations...in our Administration's thinking...who knows...looks like they want to expand islamo-terrorists in plain site.
Energy provides productivity....the world is on an oil based economy...like it or not. Oil is the foundation for modern economy....as an energy source nothing else has the impact at the low price (relative low price) plus portability and safety of use. Sure I like hydro, etc...cheap power...it's not portable nor available to a lot of places....NOW THINK....biggest economy in the world....economic foundation is oil (energy) and if you poison the well what happens? It is not untoward to open one's mind to the possibility that these senseless forays are more than just incompetency. The random acts of stupidity exhibited by the Adminstration are the result of intelligent people's decisions...again, it is not untoward that "stupidity" is not being used as a camoflauge for cold, calculated decisions. A "coup de grace" is too readily apparent, it's the death by a housand cuts that goes unnoticed by the sheeple.
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Haz told me about a gas station down the street from his place with gas at $3.75/gallon. I felt like I was in the catbird seat when I filled up there. $22.50 got me 6 gallons.
Whoopie!
Keeping my foot of the go pedal gets me 18-per and not driving to places I would normally go saves me some more. I haven't been to Deer Hunter Guns in 6 weeks... And they have free pizza every Friday. Still, I can't justify making the trip.
This mess has GOT to be hurting retailers. Just read that WalMart is complaining that their customers are simply running out of money.
But, I guess it doesn't impact Odamna... His golf cart is electric.
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Our local station peaked at about $4.32 back in May. Yesterday it was down to $3.84, a good direction but I don't think we'll see the $2.00 gas we had before.
Still hurts but seven or eight bucks a tank full is noticeable.
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Paid $3.38 here yesterday.
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Remember when it was 25 cents a gallon ?
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Remember when it was 25 cents a gallon ?
No.
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Puppy. ;D
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Remember when it was 25 cents a gallon ?
And lower....used the 104 octane from Sunoco in my Kawasaki in high school and didn't pay more than a few cents more than low test. I could fill my '64 Impala SS with about four or five bucks.
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no but I remember the 1st time I had to pay > $1
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no but I remember the 1st time I had to pay > $1
I do too. Was filling up a 78 International Harvester Scout II. Must have been around 79 or so.
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$3.49 yesterday.
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I can remember when it only took 1 hours pay to fill the tank, Now it would take a days pay... >:(
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Well its down to $3.79 a gallon here in socal. Its better than it was but not much better. These gas prices are killing my ammo budget.
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Remember when it was 25 cents a gallon ?
Yup. I remember gas wars at 18.9 down from 23.9 cents in Baton Rouge at a couple of dueling quick stops on Florida Blvd.
Tanked up on diesel yesterday at $3.489
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Yup. I remember gas wars at 18.9 down from 23.9 cents in Baton Rouge at a couple of dueling quick stops on Florida Blvd.
Tanked up on diesel yesterday at $3.489
$3.95 for diesel here, but gas dropped to $3.21 at Sam's.
Update: $3.95 at the truck stops by the freeway, $3.70 at Sam's today - 7/1/11.
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Payed $3.32 a nearby Samuel's two days ago.
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saw diesel with a 3 in front of it. Its been along time since I saw that.
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saw diesel with a 3 in front of it. Its been along time since I saw that.
Been a little better here in Florida than out in Kalifornistan. Yesterday, diesel was selling for $3.79 at several places and $3.77 at one of Hugo Chaves' stations. (But I'd rather push my motorhome down the block than buy from that Odamna-loving socialist)