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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Big Frank on June 21, 2017, 10:28:58 PM
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I couldn't count the number of times I've seen advertisements for muzzle BREAKS instead of muzzle BRAKES. If your muzzle breaks you better fix it. I decided years ago that I'm not buying a muzzle brake from any company that can't even spell it it right. My reasoning is that if they're too stupid to spell a simple word like brake correctly I shouldn't have any faith in their ability to design an effective one. Remington talking about their ultimate sheep rifle said it has a muzzle break on it. Come on Remington! After 200+ years in the firearm business you should know what the heck a muzzle brake is. If I see one more muzzle break ad I'm going to scream.
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Isn't that the same as not buying HK because they load their bullets backwards ?
You're blaming a manufacturer for the action of some contracted PR firm.
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Somebody at the parent company had to sign off on that copy.
PR firms don't get to release stuff on their own.
When it comes to firearms related items, a release needs to go through "legal" as well as corporate before it hits the streets.
Problem is, the snowflakes at corporate and legal have the advantage of a "top notch education" at a liberal university which means they are truly ignorant about things like spelling and syntax.
Crusader Rabbit
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Hey CR, you realize spell check isn't on your list ? 😁
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Hey CR, you realize spell check isn't on your list ? 😁
Pffft....hu neads a spel chekker enyway? ;D
I agree with Jumbo..... using break instead of brake is a major pet peeve of mine.
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News papers and a lot of others NEED spell check, they just don't use it.
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In this era of consumers who are deeply passionate about the industry and its products, companies need to be extra vigilant about the information they put out. The industry itself needs to lead the way in using the proper terminology in a way it informs and educates. Look at what Larry Potterfield (Midway USA) and Brownells are doing with their videos.
What is a short list of my pet peeves?
Bullet vs. Cartridge
Bullet vs. Shot shell
Clip vs. Magazine
Pistol vs. Revolver
My list is much longer, but then we risk the danger of everyone glazing over.
BB's vs. Shot (when talking sizes other than BB)
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Isn't that the same as not buying HK because they load their bullets backwards ?
You're blaming a manufacturer for the action of some contracted PR firm.
I am blaming the manufacturer because it's their website and they're responsible for what's on it.
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Of eight or tens guys I work with that shoot or hunt, those of us who use correct nomenclature are Vets... about half!
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Something that doesn't bother me but still doesn't make any sense is I see a lot is flattop M4s or M16s with no scope and no rear sight either. I see a lot of M4s like that in movies and TV shows, especially TV, and wonder how can they aim? They're blasting away at the enemy without a rear sight to aim with. That's way down on my pet peeve list.
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I'm not sure that "pistol or revolver" matters .
Revolvers are just one type of pistol action.
We don't refer to Lugars as "toggles".
A pistol might be a revolver, but revolvers are most commonly pistols .
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Hey CR, you realize spell check isn't on your list ? 😁
Spell Check doesn't help with words like break and brake. Both are spelled correctly. Stake and steak are both spelled correctly, but you'd only want the one for dinner. It gets more confusing with words like rite, right, and write. Englush are cornfuzing.
Crusader Rabbit
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I'm not sure that "pistol or revolver" matters .
Revolvers are just one type of pistol action.
We don't refer to Lugars as "toggles".
A pistol might be a revolver, but revolvers are most commonly pistols .
The definition I read ages ago of pistols is that the chamber is integral with the barrel. By that definition my Contender is a pistol. My semi-autos are pistols. My revolver is not a pistol, but it is a handgun.
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Spell Check doesn't help with words like break and brake. Both are spelled correctly. Stake and steak are both spelled correctly, but you'd only want the one for dinner. It gets more confusing with words like rite, right, and write. Englush are cornfuzing.
Crusader Rabbit
I agree. If you have a spell checker but use the wrong word, it makes sure you spell the wrong word correctly. And guns have sights to aim with, not sites. The worst example of homonyms that people get wrong is probably there, their, and they're. Another one is your and you're. I've seen several posts online of your stupid. It doesn't do any good to ask your stupid what? or to point out how stupid they are. I also see an incredible number of people saying would of when they should be saying would have. They must not know the difference between would of and would've.
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The definition I read ages ago of pistols is that the chamber is integral with the barrel. By that definition my Contender is a pistol. My semi-autos are pistols. My revolver is not a pistol, but it is a handgun.
Never heard that before.
Food for thought.
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I'm not sure that "pistol or revolver" matters .
Revolvers are just one type of pistol action.
We don't refer to Lugars as "toggles".
A pistol might be a revolver, but revolvers are most commonly pistols .
They are handgun types. It is a definition change that came about as we evolved from a basic single shot flintlock or percussion cap to action types.
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What image does the word "Pistolero" bring to mind?
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What image does the word "Pistolero" bring to mind?
Bob Munden.
Who used revolvers . LOL
Actually the first thing I think of is a poser since in the contemporary books I read they were referred
to as "shootists" or "gunmen".
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You know things are getting bad when someone who's not a gun owner can't believe what's happening on TV. https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2017/11/14/can-someone-please-explain-to-the-walking-dead-how-guns-work/#7b0c7ef26f2b
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The definition I read ages ago of pistols is that the chamber is integral with the barrel. By that definition my Contender is a pistol. My semi-autos are pistols. My revolver is not a pistol, but it is a handgun.
That is a VERY good definition. I think it just became my definitive definition for the difference between the two! Thank you.
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That is a VERY good definition. I think it just became my definitive definition for the difference between the two! Thank you.
You're welcome. I just searched what's the difference between a pistol and revolver and found this writer's guide to weapons. I only skimmed through it but it looks right except for maybe a pepperbox with stationary barrels. I thought all pepperboxes had revolving barrels, and handguns with multiple fixed barrels were just pistols. Judging by Wikipedia the .357 COP was a pepperbox too and I was wrong. I also came across a page where someone said the ATF considers all handguns to be pistols if they aren't revolvers. That's a simple enough definition. https://crimefictionbook.com/2015/10/22/revolver-pistol-differences/
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I just got done watching Jeepers Creepers 3 and was amused by the "20mm Vulcan" they had. The barrels were made out of thin tubing and in my estimation the bore would be around 35mm. It had a charging handle on the side and was belt fed with what looked like .50 BMG. There was a huge difference in size between the ammo and the bore of the barrels. As if all that wasn't ridiculous enough the barrels all fired but didn't rotate.
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more better acting....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsKj6RGQ2VM
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I'm watching the latest episode of Van Helsing and they have a short-barrelled AR with BUIS folded down in the rear and no front sight whatsoever. I thought it was bad when people in all these different shows had ARs with no rear sight, but come on, anyone who knows what end the bullets come out of would know you need a front sight.
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Here's something I see so much I'm used to it and don't even care anymore. Someone gets shot and goes flying across the room. Even if the people making all the movies and TV shows that show this know nothing about guns, they should understand the most basic concepts of physics. If a guy gets blasted across the room and out the window with a shotgun, the person with the gun should fly backward too, if they could even hang on to the gun. If not, the gun should fly through the wall behind them. In this trailer for the movie The Babysitter, she gets shot with a pistol and goes flying across the room and slams into the wall. It happens at 1:45, so if you start at 1:40 you won't miss anything.
Foul language warning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qibY77AWlUc
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This is the closest example physics-wise, and still not even close to Hollyweird's antics.
Much of what happens in this video is due to poor stance and not being prepared for it.
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I've noticed in most movies and TV shows that if a bullet doesn't go completely through someone, it usually penetrates an inch or two, and is easy to dig out. Once the bullet is out they're okay. All the damage it causes doesn't matter as long as you get that pesky bullet out. Sometimes they just slap a bandage on and they're good to go. If it's a through and through, a bandage on the front only seems to be good enough. Or just keep pressure on it. The other bullet hole doesn't matter. Other times they'll sew up the wound on the front, and ignore the one on the back if there is one. Getting gut shot and bleeding internally isn't a problem as long as they sew the entry wound shut and slap on a bandage.
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JumboFrank, as Bunny frequently tells me when I go apoplectic at some stupidity on the screen: It's just TV, honey.
The idea of patching the front hole and leaving the back and achieving full and instantaneous recovery would have been quite helpful to a number of my brothers in Viet Nam. Unfortunately, they didn't have the benefit of TV miracles. Back and front required surgical repair and subsequent patching of both sides, and recovery was never instant.
But, it's Hollywood.
FWIW,
Crusader Rabbit
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If something unreal happens in a magical, mystical, alternate reality setting that's okay. But when unreal things are portrayed as happening in the real world, it detracts from the viewing experience for me. Some people are stupid enough to believe that if they put a bandage over the front and back bullet holes, ignoring everything in between, all will be okay. I hope I never have to rely on them for medical care. On the show 911 a guy had a piece of rebar through his head. Doctors pulled it out and the next week he was back at work and completely healed. That's nearly as bad as the people who are shot and then back at work the next day.
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I, unfortunately, am into Guns, Ham Radio, and I am an I.T. guy (Also an ex-navy Nuclear power ET). That means I drive my wife absolutely NUTS pointing out mistakes on T.V. to the point she often does not want to be around me when watching T.V.
Like stated, to me, it takes away from the entertainment when the script defers too far away from the truth. Movies that "get it right" are way more entertaining to me unless the movie is meant to be pure fantasy, say like Avatar, or something like that.
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I don't say anything when I'm watching all the stupidity, but if someone else does I'll join in. IIRC in one of the Lethal Weapon movies someone had armor piercing 9mm ammo, with bullets that passed completely through the blade of a bulldozer. It's hard not to comment on things like that.
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I don't say anything when I'm watching all the stupidity, but if someone else does I'll join in. IIRC in one of the Lethal Weapon movies someone had armor piercing 9mm ammo, with bullets that passed completely through the blade of a bulldozer. It's hard not to comment on things like that.
Those were armor piercing, Frank! Wassamatterwitcha?
I think it was the third one with Renee Russo.
I lost interest in that series early, the last one was just stupid, actually, they were all pretty stupid!
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Those were armor piercing, Frank! Wassamatterwitcha?
I think it was the third one with Renee Russo.
I lost interest in that series early, the last one was just stupid, actually, they were all pretty stupid!
But bulldozers aren't made of armor. It should have stopped the bullets. ;) They were kinda stupid and definitely not pro-gun, but it's Hollyweird, so what do you expect?
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I started watching a video and it had captions instead or narration, so there was no mistaking what it said. It started out saying this robot could diffuse bombs. That would mean it can spread them out or scatter them around, etc. They were too stupid to say it can defuse bombs (de meaning remove and fuse obviously meaning fuse). So instead bombs being dismantled and made harmless, they can be strewn about the place by a robot. I shut it off and didn't watch any more.
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More non gun-related pet peeves, but none worth starting a new thread for.
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I got a letter today from our illustrious mayor, the esteemed Dr. Karen Weaver. When I saw it I thought, "What does she want?" She wanted to give everyone a "Thank You", with Thank You being in quotation marks. I can imagine her standing at the podium making air quotes with her fingers. I would have simply said that I wanted to thank everybody, not give them a thank you, and I certainly wouldn't quoted no one when I said it. There's a website that has 10 Things You Really Need to Know about Quotation Marks. Here are the first 3.
#1: Quotation Marks Are for Quoting People—Verbatim.
#2: Quotation Marks Are Not a Highlighting Technique.
#3: Quotation Marks Can Communicate Sarcasm and Irony.
The other 7 things are less pertinent. Say it like you really mean it Ma'am. She holds a bachelor's degree from Tougaloo College, a master's degree from Long Island University, and a doctorate in clinical psychology from Michigan State University. Somehow she "earned" a B.A., M.A, and Psy.D without learning any of those rules. I know there's a difference between educated and smart, but I'm only a graduate of a crappy public high school and know them. The good doctor should too.
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I got another letter today, from a credit union telling me about the 30,000 plus "ATM Machines", or whatever the number was, that I could use at no charge. Anyone running a financial istitution should know that ATM is an abbreviation for Automated Teller Machine. ATM Machines would mean Automated Teller Machine Machines. Get it right, people.
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And people are still referring to water heaters as hot water heaters, as if they're being used to heat hot water, not cold water. If it was hot water you wouldn't likely need to heat it even more with a water heater. I know that places like hotels and apartment complexes can use several water heaters at the same time, but I never heard of multiple water heaters being used in series, where the first one heats cold water and the following water heater(s) heat the hot water that came from the previous water heater. And if they did need a hot water heater to heat the water from another water heater, what are they going to do with super-heated water? Take 240 degree showers? I've been known to take hot showers, but I'd like to know who like their showers hotter than Hades.
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I see your "ATM machine" and raise you a:
PIN number (Personal Identification Number number)
VIN number (Vehicle Identification Number number)
SAM missile (Surface to Air Missile missile)
and LCD display (Liquid Crystal Display display).
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Take 240 degree showers? I've been known to take hot showers, but I'd like to know who like their showers hotter than Hades.
Water turns to steam above 212 degrees F at sea level. You need pressure to get hotter than that--it's why a pressure cooker cooks a pork roast in 30 minutes.
If your examples are taking 240 degree showers, they are pressure steaming the skin right off themselves.
There is a pressure/temperature gradient that indicates how much temperature is increased with each pound of pressure, but I am unable to bring it to mind at the moment, and too lazy to research it.
Still, your point about hot water heaters is certainly valid.
Crusader Rabbit
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I always use the term Water Heater, but they do in fact heat hot water.
Since they maintain a fixed temperature and do not let the water cool to being cold water, they do heat the already hot water back up to the set maintain temp.
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But, since there is no defined temperature for water to be deemed as hot (temperature is subjective) then it is still just a water heater. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Maybe Cold Water Heater would work for everyone? ;) ;) ;)
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Fine by me.... 8)
I did have an Indoctrination Specialist (aka college professor) once argue that cold is subjective as well and open to debate as to what degree is something considered cold. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I see your "ATM machine" and raise you a:
PIN number (Personal Identification Number number)
VIN number (Vehicle Identification Number number)
SAM missile (Surface to Air Missile missile)
and LCD display (Liquid Crystal Display display).
It seems like I see at least one of those on a weekly basis if not more often. VIN number is the most frequent offender I see, because people often don't know the model year of old off-road vehicles. I always tell them to find the VIN. The year code is the 10th digit by the way. It could be a number or a letter, and they repeat every 30 years. You should be able to tell if it's a certain age, or 30 years different. 6 letters aren't used. They can't use O and Q and 0, or I and l and 1, so those 4 letter are out. I couldn't tell you the other 2 off the top of my head.
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Water turns to steam above 212 degrees F at sea level. You need pressure to get hotter than that--it's why a pressure cooker cooks a pork roast in 30 minutes.
If your examples are taking 240 degree showers, they are pressure steaming the skin right off themselves.
There is a pressure/temperature gradient that indicates how much temperature is increased with each pound of pressure, but I am unable to bring it to mind at the moment, and too lazy to research it.
Still, your point about hot water heaters is certainly valid.
Crusader Rabbit
You're absolutely right. I have no clue about actual numbers of the pressure/temperature gradient, just an idea how it works. I actually typed 210 degrees, then went more extreme to emphasize the ridiculousness of needing an additional water heater, to heat already hot water even more. When I changed it to 240 degrees I didn't know that pressure cookers can get up to 248 degrees. As of 5 minutes ago I do. It's almost like I knew what I was talking about.
P.S. This is for everyone. If you go on vacation for more than 3 days, you shouldn't have hot water in your cold water heater by the time you return. I don't normally turn mine down except when I take off for a week or more, which doesn't happen often. The energy savings you get for only keeping the water warm is worth the the short wait to have a hot shower. Mine always gets hot again faster than I can get things unpacked.
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My younger son bought a timer for his water heater when he built his house. It works similar to a programmable thermostat.
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My house has a hybrid water heater with a heat pump to assist.
It has four settings one of which is vacation.
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Life gets complicated when you have to think about it ;D ;D
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Life gets complicated when you have to think about it ;D ;D
Indeed, suh....indeed.
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When I think too much my brain hurts. I should quit.
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"+" is NOT the same thing as "&". I saw that there's a show on TV tonight called Ashlee + Evan and I thought to myself, I bet they say it as Ashlee and Evan, not Ashlee plus Evan. I looked online and it looks like I was right. It's just like when C+C Music Factory was popular. It was always said as C&C, not C+C. BTW in this video the woman singer is lip-syncing to the vocals of a woman from The Weather Girls who had a hit with It's Raining Men. She was better looking, so she was in the video instead of the fat woman who was actually singing. This was around the same time that Milli Vanilli got busted for lip-syncing. Both guys were German and could barely speak any English at all, so they just danced around and pretended to sing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaTGrV58wec