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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: MikeBjerum on January 10, 2021, 07:53:53 PM
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Far too often we hear about reasonable restrictions on our Rights are not only legal, but are needed. We get a comparison to holding firearms to shouting FIRE in a crowded theater. I point out that shouting fire when there is no fire is illegal, and it is comparable to shooting someone without just cause.
How do we classify Mrs. Pelosi's actions this past week. Many news sources are reporting that she is calling members through out our government, pushing for Trump to be removed, one way or another, in order to keep him from launching a nuclear war. She is spreading rumors that he has full power to push a button and launch nuclear warheads.
How close to, or how far over the line, of shouting fire in a crowded theater has Pelosi come?
I know that this will start the thread drifts right off the bat, but what power does Trump hold that the Democrats, and old school Republicans, fear so deep that they are willing to go to these lengths less than two weeks before he leaves office? Is it possible that Trump could release sealed documents that would sink the ship? How close is Pres. DJT to being at the top of the "Clinton Hit List"?
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Worse than nuclear warheads (for the swamp creatures) would be to declassify documents showing how much they are really stealing and who they take the money from.
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.......... How do we classify Mrs. Pelosi's actions this past week. Many news sources are reporting that she is calling members through out our government, pushing for Trump to be removed, one way or another, in order to keep him from launching a nuclear war. She is spreading rumors that he has full power to push a button and launch nuclear warheads.
How close to, or how far over the line, of shouting fire in a crowded theater has Pelosi come?
I know that this will start the thread drifts right off the bat, but what power does Trump hold that the Democrats, and old school Republicans, fear so deep that they are willing to go to these lengths less than two weeks before he leaves office? Is it possible that Trump could release sealed documents that would sink the ship? How close is Pres. DJT to being at the top of the "Clinton Hit List"?
Pelosi is nuts with fear.... Fear that Trump will expose enough to "nuke" her and a lot of fellow Democrats. Which I hope he in fact does. Will he? Perhaps, but Trump is not as "unhinged" as Pelosi is. Her imagination is her biggest enemy. Always has been. The woman is straight up nuts. Trump doesn't want to take down good people, just to get a few bad one's. Rush Limbaugh say's Trump has both the power and the knowledge to become a one man wrecking crew for the Democratic Party. I believe it.
I believe this is what they feared about him all along. He wouldn't "play ball", and at the same time, he would know too much. A bad combination. They, (she), could even be hoping for a "Epstein End" to him. But that's pretty far fetched for even Pelosi. By the time they could rig something like that, the damage could be done by him releasing any type of classified information that would hurt the Democrats.
And as far as who he might pardon? You would think the Democrats would be cheering that on. After all, aren't they the one's who are all jumping up and down about emptying out the prisons? Trump could give them a good head start by pardoning Paul Manafort, and a few hundred others.
They're simply paralyzed with fear. The dumb shits made it worse by doing what they did. If he releases anything, he could do it through OAN or NewsMax, and every wire service in the country would run with it. Being "banned" off Twitter, and all the rest was simply stupid to do. If it's worth reading or hearing, people will find a way to listen. Even the communists couldn't stop Radio Free Europe. This whole thing is insane. It really is past the time to start dropping some of these idiots. I hope they start with that bitch Pelosi, by tossing her off the bleachers at the Inauguration. Maybe she'll land on Schumer. He's always late to everything.
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A couple months ago, even before the election, there were many sources reporting that they feared that once out of office Trump would release secrets to "our" enemies. My question is after being in office, what information, factual information, does Trump have available to him concerning the slime the good ole boys (both sides of the aisle) swim in? Again I wonder out loud, who's life is in more danger at the hands of the power base, Biden or Trump? The poll starts with Plane Crash in Fog, Sleeping Under a Pillow, or Tangled In a Bed Sheet?
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If democrats had anything to worry about you would have done it already.
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Fire in a theater when it comes too free speech is the same thing as shooting a gun into a crowd. We already have laws that prevent that.
I can honestly say that my guns have not been used in a crime or fired in anger. Well at least while I have owned them. I do have some milsurp and used guns. No telling what they did before I owned them.
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Fire in a theater when it comes too free speech is the same thing as shooting a gun into a crowd. We already have laws that prevent that.
I can honestly say that my guns have not been used in a crime or fired in anger. Well at least while I have owned them. I do have some milsurp and used guns. No telling what they did before I owned them.
Small nit: we have laws that make it illegal, but laws can not prevent anything. You can still do it, but you'll pay a price for doing it.
That is why I have a hard time with the term Law Enforcement Officer. Cops don't enforce laws, laws enforce themselves based on free will and capability of people....cops mop up after failures to comply.
Compliance and fear of penalty is what keeps civil people in check. We have laws against murder but the written law doesn't stop it.
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As of this morning, President Trump "admitted," some culpability in the "riots". This breaks my heart and I am now wondering if the time to go "gray man" is close? The Democrats, once again, are cramming this crap down our throat and have picked up their speed to warp 8. I, for one, will not give up my ability to defend myself, my family, and (what used to be) by Country.
Do any of you have an opinion on going "underground"?
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Do any of you have an opinion on going "underground"?
I never really thought too much about it. As it is I keep to myself, and mind my own business. If that ever becomes not enough, then I'll simply shoot the first son of a bitch who tries to take them away from me. After that the cards can fall where they may. I'll deal with them as they're dealt.
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I'll simply shoot the first son of a bitch who tries to take them away from me. After that the cards can fall where they may. I'll deal with them as they're dealt.
I kind of thought that would go without saying here. I also would not let them take them. My wife and I have discussed that and she agrees with that as well. By "gray man" I am talking about not posting or saying anything about firearm ownership unless among GOOD friends. While I am on FB I am in the process of going to MeWe but I intend to be a lot quieter there.
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Do any of you have an opinion on going "underground"?
Yes.
The idea of dropping out of sight in todays society is a ridiculous dream even for the homeless.
Have an alternative inoffensive excuse for your preparations .
Invisibility is impossible, so use misdirection.
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Yes.
The idea of dropping out of sight in todays society is a ridiculous dream even for the homeless.
Have an alternative inoffensive excuse for your preparations .
Invisibility is impossible, so use misdirection.
Not necessarily invisible but more like Gray Man. Blend in.
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Maybe, but it's not like you will be fooling any one .
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Maybe, but it's not like you will be fooling any one .
Fooling anyone, no. I just don't want to draw unwanted attention until the time is right. I intend to organize locally, verbally, and ONLY with very well trusted friends. The ONE exception will probably be this forum. While I am sure it is on someone's radar it is small enough (IMHO) to not draw too much attention where we don't want it. IMHO anyway.
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Yes.
The idea of dropping out of sight in todays society is a ridiculous dream even for the homeless.
Have an alternative inoffensive excuse for your preparations .
Invisibility is impossible, so use misdirection.
This.
Not necessarily invisible but more like Gray Man. Blend in.
And this.
Key being a usable combo of blending and misdirecting.
Close friends and family "know" me and what I'm about (some actually seek advice from time to time, if you can imagine that) but folks that see me on the rare occasions that I'm outside my vehicle probably say just a regular middle-aged dude. Some that focus a little bit closer might just think that big guy with the slight limp may or may not be harmless but he's also not a target.
I think former Army Ranger, now instructor, John Lovell hits it pretty well in this video.
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6’3” to 6’4” with me boots on and 270lbs with a 54” chest isn’t conducive to “blending in”!
Minimizing my online footprint...more better! Worrying too much about what the gubmint is going to do next is a waste of energy!
As I said previously, f..k em!
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I think the most dangerous people to many of us are our neighbors. People can be unbelievably petty, jealous and vindictive. If a national red flag law is passed and publicized, I think a lot of false reports will be used to settle petty disagreements over what color you painted your fence or I don't like that you park your work truck in your driveway.
I'm trying to be the nice guy with the neighbors, but some of them simply seem angry at the world.
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Worrying about what the government "might do", is like worrying about the asteroid. There is nothing that can be done about either. Only the aftermath.
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I think the most dangerous people to many of us are our neighbors. People can be unbelievably petty, jealous and vindictive. If a national red flag law is passed and publicized, I think a lot of false reports will be used to settle petty disagreements over what color you painted your fence or I don't like that you park your work truck in your driveway.
I'm trying to be the nice guy with the neighbors, but some of them simply seem angry at the world.
This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I NEVER get too friendly with my neighbors. People tend to talk too much, and most, (regardless if they'll admit it or not), like to spread gossip. Especially if it involves guns, drugs, booze, and sex. Before you know it bad things start happening.
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I’m living in a Veteran & over 60 complex. There are only two couples, about four or five other men and the balance are old women. I keep my distance except for the ornery Marine and his wife! They’ve been here 17 years so he knows the place well!
The complex manager is a gun guy but I don’t know him well enough..
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6’3” to 6’4” with me boots on and 270lbs with a 54” chest isn’t conducive to “blending in”!
Minimizing my online footprint...more better! Worrying too much about what the gubmint is going to do next is a waste of energy!
As I said previously, f..k em!
I think in a way it's getting easier. 80% of the population is walking around glued to phone screens.
I'm in the same boat size-wise....6'2"....300 lb ...and look like Santy Clause...... but more often than not folks just don't pay attention. I pay attention overly so.....usually well enough that I easily notice the ones who are paying attention to me.
I've had many instances where I should stand out like a turd in a punch bowl and folks just didn't see me.
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Chuck, you’n me could be cousins ‘cept I don’t like sweet tea and you don’t put ‘nuf sugar in yer corn bread!
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I think the most dangerous people to many of us are our neighbors. People can be unbelievably petty, jealous and vindictive. If a national red flag law is passed and publicized, I think a lot of false reports will be used to settle petty disagreements over what color you painted your fence or I don't like that you park your work truck in your driveway.
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The "enemy is in Washington, it's the busy body informer across the street.
That's how the Stasi ran East Germany.
They didn't need thugs on every corner, they had snitches in every group.
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You have to remember this whole, "reasonable restrictions" deal goes both ways. As Ronald Reagan once said, "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter". Pretty soon it will become, "reasonable" for these ass wipes to be found, shot full of holes by nobody knows.
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shot full of holes by nobody knows.
Has a nice poetic ring to it.
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Chuck, you’n me could be cousins ‘cept I don’t like sweet tea and you don’t put ‘nuf sugar in yer corn bread!
:)
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Reasonable acceptance of homosexuals has lead to Gay marriage and wide spread pedophilia.
Roe v Wade "safe and rare" has lead to abortion on demand ,AND YOU PAY.
You keep being "reasonable".
You'll deserve it.
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Reasonable acceptance of homosexuals has lead to Gay marriage and wide spread pedophilia.
Roe v Wade "safe and rare" has lead to abortion on demand ,AND YOU PAY.
You keep being "reasonable".
You'll deserve it.
This reminds me of the line from Airforce One: "If you give a mouse a cookie, he will ask for a glass of milk." The context of this line was concerning negotiating non-negotiables.
This is why I refuse to give in to the "assault rifle/weapon" terminology. They have redefined firearm vocabulary. The mindset they are using for this redefinition leads directly to the argument that assault is an action word that is attached to the person, not the tool.
The debate angle that I use when talking to "gun" guys who buy into the "reasonable" pitch is to point out what they are really after. I used to own a S&W AR-22. I purchased it for practice and competition, and fun plinking, and I used it in many of my safety courses. I would put that rifle on a peg board, and next to it I would put my Ruger 10/22 (wood and blue). What is the difference between the two? Unbelievable the anti-gun verbage that fly. After listening a little I would reach up and change out the 10/22 standard 10 round magazine to a 20 round magazine, but the rants would continue. Finally I would stop everyone and point out that the only difference between the two was the materials they are made of and their finish: Black plastic vs. Beech wood; Black barrel finish vs. bluing.
Removable Magazines - Same on both
Pistol Grip - Ruger 10/22 stock has pistol grip, just not as pronounced
Heat Shield - The wood forestock is also a heat shield
Adjustable stock - Safety feature that allows the rifle to be safely shouldered by people of different sizes with easy adjustment
Action - Both semi-automatic - One trigger pull, one shot
Rate of fire - Same rate of fire
At another point I will put a third rifle on the board - AR-15, and I will add a target (Standard NRA AR 5/1) shot from each of the three showing the size of the hole left.
Put the false narrative in context! These are nothing but basic semi-automatic firearms that they are after. If you give up the "assault" you are giving up everything that goes with it! Don't believe it? Look at all of the legislation they pass or bring forward. They are not satisfied with just features. They will finish every list of items with an even longer list of specific firearms they are banning.
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Assault RIFLE is a specific reference, like "Support weapon".
Assault WEAPON is just BS.
When I meet some gutless Fudd, I just insult them
What are the pussies going to do ? Make me take their shot guns ?
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Time to all get our youtube videos saved and articles saved of Biden's great firearm safety and self defense advice: If you hear something, just stick the shotgun out the door and shoot.
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Time to all get our youtube videos saved and articles saved of Biden's great firearm safety and self defense advice: If you hear something, just stick the shotgun out the door and shoot.
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/shocker-biden-defense-fails-to-keep-wa-man-out-of-the-klink/
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https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/shocker-biden-defense-fails-to-keep-wa-man-out-of-the-klink/
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