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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Rastus on May 09, 2017, 05:04:47 PM
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Whaddya' think?
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don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you.
that's what I think. his dealings with the hrc deal proves that he should not be where he was.
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I could only click one of them.....
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I would think that I'd have someone with Law Enforcement experience be head of FBI.
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I would think that I'd have someone with Law Enforcement experience be head of FBI.
Or at least someone with the good sense God gave geese.
I don't know that it needs to be someone with LE background since the job is more managerial than it is enforcement. But, I think you need someone with a good, no-nonsense, prosecutorial background who has a grasp of Constitutional law and knows how to run an organization. It appears Comey failed on all counts.
FWIW,
Crusader Rabbit
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A spine would be a real asset!
I believe Comey is a good man with a heart to do what is right, but he cannot withstand pressure - Especially political pressure. I do not know, but I sense the mood around the agency was a daily curiosity of wondering if he was going to "Boldly go" or "Turn to jelly" each day.
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Hoover had no LE experiance. He was always a govt lawyer.
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No to Trey Goudy. I like watching him rip off liberals heads during his Q and A so he needs to stay where he is at. Now Sheriff Clarke is one person I would like to see in that position. Just my opinion.
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Now Sheriff Clarke is one person I would like to see in that position. Just my opinion.
Lotta respect for the good Sheriff. He's a no BS kinda guy with a singularly stiffened spine and a nicely developed attitude.
Crusader Rabbit
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A guy not on the list I like is Jim Bridenstine. Smart and is taking himself out of the game by self term-limiting his congressional seat.
Whoever gets it has to either have a thick skin or not be bothered by the barking dogs and sniping twits they will be working with. They will also need to be ready to drop the hammer on malcontents and show them the door. Sort of like...you can do anything you want on your last day.
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What's funny is Trump fired him, and the liberals what him impeached over it. If Hillary had won and fired him, she'd be getting accolades from them.
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Maxine Waters literally said that Trump should be impeached for firing Comey, but she would have approved of Hillary canning him.
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what I find funny is these are the same ones that wanted him fired after he made his statements a week before the election.
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what I find funny is these are the same ones that wanted him fired after he made his statements a week before the election.
The EXACT same Democrats completely reversed their positions.
They don't actually have positions beyond opposing anything Trump does.
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My basic premise on the difference between liberals and conservatives/libertarians.
Liberals generally follow a End Justifies Means m.o. They'll say anything to advance their cause. After all they are the only righteous ones so whatever it takes.
Conservatives tend to follow a Means Justifies the End m.o. Principles should be followed regardless of what we think the outcome should be. If they are good sound principles then the outcome will follow. No finagling required.
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It's a flawed idea as proven by 8 years of Obama, a Hillary campaign, and about 5000 years of war.
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The only, "End That Justifies The Means", is if when the end comes, all the liberals are dead.
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Well, to start a possible "philosophical" discussion, I say the ends always justify the means. If the "ends" do not justify it, what does?
As and example.
Killing someone. If the killing is done to protect an innocent from death or serious harm, it is justified.
However, if it is done to steal the latest iPhone, it is not justified.
To determine if the killing, or any action, is justified, the reason, "ends", for it must be examined.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw9hkBHMd7Q
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To determine if the killing, or any action, is justified, the reason, "ends", for it must be examined.
It took me a while to understand these statements.
Above I think you're using the word "ends" as the reason. I think in the idiom the word "means" is the equivalent to "reason," "morals" or "principles". And "End" is the final result itself without judgement.
If someone is trying to take an innocent life, they may be killed in self-defense. The means, stopping innocent murder, justifies the end, the dead perp.
The opposite is if I want someone dead just because I believe they are a bad person, I kill them without provocation and invent a false narrative that it was self-defense, I've used the end result (a dead bad guy) to justify lying about what happened.
No matter how righteous or noble one thinks their goal (end) is, it does not justify ignoring principles, morals or laws just to accomplish their goal. The process, rules and mores of a society should be allowed to take their course and sometimes, we hope most of the time, the end result will be righteous. Sometimes it's not. Sometimes the guilty go free.
To my point, what I'm saying is liberals generally follow EJM and they will lie, steal and cheat in order to accomplish their goals. They feel their actions are justified because their goals/ends are so righteous. I'm not accusing anyone in particular, this is a generalization based on my observations of politicians and the media.
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There was an episode of Magnum PI which I remember because it spoke to this issue.
The plot was that Magnum's friend who flew the helicopter was brainwashed while a POW in "Nam" and given a post hypnotic suggestion...it would cause him to arm his helicopter and shoot up a meeting room with VIPs where sitting. Of course Magnum is able to stop him at the last moment..somehow.
Doesn't matter how possible all the above is...but what happens next is that Magnum is able to track down the bad guy who gave the hypnosis to Mag's friend and many other POWs.....some who had already acted on the suggest and killed folks.
Magnum confronted him out in the wilds of Hawaii someplace, had a gun pointed at him and the bad guy says something to the effect...there is no proof I did anything so I will not be convicted and you Americans are so crippled by following the law that you cannot shoot me and I can continue eliminating your people.
The final scene showed the pistol, a 1911, Magnum was pointing at the bad guy and I don't remember if it faded and we just heard the gun blast or if we saw the muzzle flash too..
In any case, the bad guy was dead out in the swamp some place....
In some cases, that one to me, principal outweighs the Law.
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My basic premise on the difference between liberals and conservatives/libertarians.
Liberals generally follow a End Justifies Means m.o. They'll say anything to advance their cause. After all they are the only righteous ones so whatever it takes.
Conservatives tend to follow a Means Justifies the End m.o. Principles should be followed regardless of what we think the outcome should be. If they are good sound principles then the outcome will follow. No finagling required.
I am pretty much there, but clearly the "Means" change with the circumstances. Which is what I believe we are saying from the conservative viewpoint. Means never justify murder in our case....however a change in circumstances...the need for defense of your family's life for instance, would change homicide from murder to justified killing. The means may be the same and the result may be the same but the reason for depriving life has a foundational justification.
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Ends justify means = A worthy goal justifies all methods of achieving it.
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Ends justify means = A worthy goal justifies all methods of achieving it.
I would not agree with that at all.
Feeding starving cats could be a worth goal, except in certain areas of Arizona, but killing the staff and customers of a pet store to get the food would not be justified.
Stealing food to feed a starving child might be justified assuming there was no practical way to obtain food legitimately...and provided the theft would not leave others to starve. The father of the starving child might not care too much about what happens to other's children so there is a perspective to consider....
Killing to obtain that food is likely not justified unless, say, that food is being forcibly withheld for illegitimate reasons, and there can't be too many legitimate reasons to do so, I'd guess.
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No need to kill for food. Especially with Democrats. They'll just punch you out a EBT Card. Feast away.
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You may be able to read in a lot to the "worthy" part of Tom's statement. More common ground than not....
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Lotta respect for the good Sheriff. He's a no BS kinda guy with a singularly stiffened spine and a nicely developed attitude.
Crusader Rabbit
My support for Sheriff Clark deserves a re-think, I think.
http://theresurgent.com/sheriff-clarke-accused-of-plagiarizing-2013-thesis-paper/
Crusader Rabbit
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My support for Sheriff Clark deserves a re-think, I think.
http://theresurgent.com/sheriff-clarke-accused-of-plagiarizing-2013-thesis-paper/
Crusader Rabbit
Wait and see if there's any substance to it.
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It didn't affect Uncle Joe Biden...why should Clark be any different?
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There was an episode of Magnum PI which I remember because it spoke to this issue.
The plot was that Magnum's friend who flew the helicopter was brainwashed while a POW in "Nam" and given a post hypnotic suggestion...it would cause him to arm his helicopter and shoot up a meeting room with VIPs where sitting. Of course Magnum is able to stop him at the last moment..somehow.
Doesn't matter how possible all the above is...but what happens next is that Magnum is able to track down the bad guy who gave the hypnosis to Mag's friend and many other POWs.....some who had already acted on the suggest and killed folks.
Magnum confronted him out in the wilds of Hawaii someplace, had a gun pointed at him and the bad guy says something to the effect...there is no proof I did anything so I will not be convicted and you Americans are so crippled by following the law that you cannot shoot me and I can continue eliminating your people.
The final scene showed the pistol, a 1911, Magnum was pointing at the bad guy and I don't remember if it faded and we just heard the gun blast or if we saw the muzzle flash too..
In any case, the bad guy was dead out in the swamp some place....
In some cases, that one to me, principal outweighs the Law.
My favorite episode, I might point out.
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Yes. It was my favorite as well.
I made all of my boys watch it.
And...by the way....I wonder what that snake Comey is up too?
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Oops....that snake Comey may have made a boo-boo. His leaked memos may contain classified information.
He and the Clinton's can share the same cell block.
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Oops....that snake Comey may have made a boo-boo. His leaked memos may contain classified information.
He and the Clinton's can share the same cell block.
I pray we are so lucky. I will believe it when they actually turn the key to lock her in.
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James "Deep State" Comey may have committed obstruction of justice. It appears he was drafting a Hillary Clinton "exoneration" statement before the investigation was over. Oops....and said under oath to congress that he had not done such a thing....
Jeff Sessions had better pursue this and the Clinton money laundering foundation.
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Well, it's in the news big time now.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/16/comey-drafted-clinton-email-exoneration-letter-before-completing-interviews-fbi-confirms.html (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/16/comey-drafted-clinton-email-exoneration-letter-before-completing-interviews-fbi-confirms.html)
Deep State rat bastard was drafting Hillary's "get out of jail free" card months before the investigation was concluded....as confirmed by FBI documents.
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I can remember a time when the FBI was a respected American institution.
But, it's been a long time and the memory is getting dim.
Crusader Rabbit
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And now here is an article purporting that the FBI hid Clinton ties to Russia in a bribery scheme using the Clinton foundation...back when Russia bought control over US uranium reserves. Then Secretary of State Clinton approved the sale to Russia.
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/355749-fbi-uncovered-russian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration (http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/355749-fbi-uncovered-russian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration)
http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/17/report-fbi-sat-on-evidence-tying-the-clintons-to-a-russians-bribery-scheme/
(http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/17/report-fbi-sat-on-evidence-tying-the-clintons-to-a-russians-bribery-scheme/)
Oh....where is Mueller on this?
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Rastus Mueller is in place to destroy evidence that would get Hillary and her accomplices put in prison. He is just a clean up crew. Democrats and rinos put him in to cover their arses.
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That is a really good take on it. I had not thought about that.
They are vacuuming up all of the evidence and it will be destroyed.
Maybe Putin will give a copy to WikiLeaks. I suspect he did not like the squeeze from the Clintons....he probably had plans to pay less than what he actually had to pony up.
Putin, say what you want, probably respects integrity....that leaves the Clinton's on the disdain side.
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Rastus that is why Julian Assange is hiding in a embassy. So he does not commit Arkancide like so many others that crossed the Democrat party. Look at what they did to JFK when he went against the party.
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So Bulldog, what is your take on everything after all of the information that came out yesterday the 24th of October?
1) It was reported that the Trump Russian Collusion dossier was funded by the DNC and the Clinton campaign. But note, a highly placed GOP politician supposedly kicked funding off and guess who...John McCain...gave a copy to the FBI to investigate. Not saying McCain is that guy but it smells. Typical dirty tricks we all hate regardless of what side we are on. Oh, and Fusion GPS appears to be in the middle of this and does not want to release their banking information and books...oh, I wonder why? ::)
2) If appears that Russians, who contracted Mannaport (Trumps former campaign manager he dumped) to put them in contact with people in the know, knew how to stroke the Clintons. Mannaport supposedly, it has been reported, told the Podesta group who he was working for as an agent for the Russians and linked them up. Mannaport told them the group he was working with were Russians...clearly it was reported. Then John Podesta and his brother's company did the dirty taking money and who got a lot of foundation money...the Clinton Foundation. John Podesta being Hillary's confidant....this takes the "RESET Button" thing with the Russians to a whole new level.
3) A known Russian who intelligence said had been working a criminal enterprise of bribery, extortion, money laundering, etc. was given a work visa by the Obama administration even though it was against the law to do it because of the money laundering information alone.
More to come today and soon.
What's your take on where this is going?
Edit: I forgot to mention that Linda Gramasey, err, Lindsey Graham, said last night there is a "stunning" reason why Comey actually got into the Clinton election fray. Inquiring minds want to know.
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Hillary and the Democrat party has dirt on everyone in DC but President Trump. So all of the Democrats and Rino's are going to sweep this under a rug and avoid arkanciding themselves. ABC NBC CBS and CNN are avoiding this like its Ebola and will continue to do so until it burns out. So one of those 4 democrat propaganda ministry sites will make up fake stories until it goes away.
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"Propaganda ministry sites"....I'm going to steal that from you and use it.
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... and avoid arkanciding themselves.
<Gammer Nazi> That's with a capital "A". Arkanciding. Gives pocket revolvers a bad name.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4vf8N6GpdM
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So now Mueller frames someone after the uranium 1 scandal comes out. Can we say smoke screen to cover up democrat party crime wave.
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What are the Dems afraid of? As the indictments start to come, Pelosi is calling for her own "independent investigation." What is coming, and why is she pushing to distract from it?
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Here is an interesting read that speaks to a lot of this and more...
Hannity Knew of Russian Extortion, Bribery: Deep State Floundering
"On Sean Hannity's radio program on 24 October, 2017, I heard Hannity say he knew of the details of the bribery and extortion associated with the Uranium One scandal over a year ago. He kept the secret because he had sworn to do so.
It was well before President Trump was elected. It was after Donald Trump declared his candidacy. It suggests Donald Trump knew of this before his election."
"This implies that President Trump has been three 3-D chess moves ahead of his opponents from the start."
https://www.ammoland.com/2017/10/hannity-knew-of-russian-extortion-bribery-deep-state-floundering/?utm_source=Ammoland+Subscribers&utm_campaign=45da1e26e1-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6f6fac3eaa-45da1e26e1-20630649#axzz4x0juheVo
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There are some good people in government. I suspect when his campaign pulled in some heavy-weight advisers they began to strategize a plan. I would not be surprised if Woolsey or Petraeus didn't pass on the information....
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Hillary and the Democrat party has dirt on everyone in DC but President Trump. So all of the Democrats and Rino's are going to sweep this under a rug and avoid arkanciding themselves.
Good word.
I had to look it up. :D
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The winds of fortune are trying to switch direction now. Lots of demotions and retirement at the top of the FBI...hmmm...maybe this isn't over.
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The winds of fortune are trying to switch direction now. Lots of demotions and retirement at the top of the FBI...hmmm...maybe this isn't over.
We can only hope!
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So, at this point in time it appears as though:
1) Hillary (i.e. Clinton Foundation?), through the DNC, paid for the outrageous Trump dossier from Fusion GPS. There are mentions as early as April 2016 from Clinton/Obama referencing the not yet full grown "Trump Dossier".
2) The Trump Dossier was partially funded by the FBI at some point.
3) The Trump Dossier was known to be flawed (i.e., contrived bullshit) but was used by the FBI (and other agencies) to get FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) warrants. The despicable John McCain also used the Trump Dossier gleefully, thereby further proving he is a Benedict Arnold.
4) FISA warrants solely based upon the Trump Dossier were used by the FBI (and other agencies?) to surveil the Trump team.
a) Head of NSA alerted Trump the after election he was under surveillance. That man is a patriot.
b) Trump transition team moved from Trump tower to another property to escape surveillance.
c) Obama got pissed off and made comments about Trump team leaving Trump tower proving the weaselly lying POS POTUS knew what was going on.
5) The current administration is quietly herding them up....that's my take.
If and as found guilty, Comey and all of his henchmen need to spend some time in a commoner's Federal Prison that has no tennis courts, restaurants, etc. and serve time alongside drug dealers, murders, hit men, MS-13 members, skinheads, etc. This would include the Federal Judges who issued the warrants knowing the basis of the Trump Dossier. Then, all of the politicians who knew this needs to join them too. What we are seeing is justification for the arming of America and the "prepping" that people perceived was necessary because the government was "out to get them".
Their retirements should be rescinded and their properties confiscated from their families as reparations...remember how they use the IRS to ruin us commoners so don't be getting weak kneed here. Clearly at this point, prior to actual pronunciations of guilt, there is every appearance the "Deep State" as directed by powerful lying progressive politicians had future plans for us.
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And yet another thing strikes me. Most of these henchmen are lawyers. Those who may not be, like Strozk, may have been bullied or buffaloed by their legal leaders but are no less guilty.
Yeah. Lawyers. And the guy who is breaking up the party.....not a lawyer.
I'm just sayin'....too many lawyers in politics. They know how to manipulate the system to their advantage....I say starve the out.