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Title: Why I hate lawyers soooo much
Post by: philw on May 09, 2009, 06:46:49 PM
Police Brutality: Woman Beaten Off Camera (graphic)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KM1ukwBGv4&feature=channel_page


I am not trying to offend layers that are members here


however how can he sleep at night to say crap like that


it was caused by a fall   is that bull shit I can smell    >:(
Title: Re: Why I hate lawyers soooo much
Post by: Hazcat on May 09, 2009, 06:57:44 PM
Seems like that would take on hell of a 'fall' to create those injuries.
Title: Re: Why I hate lawyers soooo much
Post by: Big Frank on May 09, 2009, 07:26:08 PM
I looks like he turned the camera off and beat her silly. It wouldn't be the first time a cop has done that to someone. I knew a guy the cops worked over who peed blood after they beat his kidneys. They didn't leave any bruises so he couldn't prove anything.
Title: Re: Why I hate lawyers soooo much
Post by: True_Texan on May 09, 2009, 07:40:27 PM
Seems like that would take on hell of a 'fall' to create those injuries.

Man, she is clumsy. Must have fallen at least 8 or 9 times. Geez!

Poor women. >:(
Title: Re: Why I hate lawyers soooo much
Post by: PegLeg45 on May 09, 2009, 07:57:14 PM
Man, she is clumsy. Must have fallen at least 8 or 9 times. Geez!

Poor women. >:(

Or........... it could have been one of those runaway walls or tables............that table looked a little reckless to me.
Title: Re: Why I hate lawyers soooo much
Post by: 1911 Junkie on May 09, 2009, 08:02:23 PM
Man, she is clumsy. Must have fallen at least 8 or 9 times.

Yeah, right on the tip of his boot.
Title: Re: Why I hate lawyers soooo much
Post by: fullautovalmet76 on May 09, 2009, 08:03:22 PM
Now I wonder if it was a man with those injuries would anyone be saying anything about this......
Title: Re: Why I hate lawyers soooo much
Post by: True_Texan on May 09, 2009, 08:14:28 PM
Now I wonder if it was a man with those injuries would anyone be saying anything about this......

Probably not. There is still a chivalrous attitude that if you're a man, you never hit a woman. All bets are off on that though if they are the ones threatening you and yours with weapons. It would take one gigantic woman, who was empty handed, to worry me enough to use any real amount of force. That's my take on that at least.
Title: Re: Why I hate lawyers soooo much
Post by: Ping on May 09, 2009, 08:33:23 PM
Once she started resisting and was handcuffed he should have kept the camera recording so there would be no question. This does not look good at all.
Title: Re: Why I hate lawyers soooo much
Post by: PegLeg45 on May 09, 2009, 08:48:54 PM
Now I wonder if it was a man with those injuries would anyone be saying anything about this......

If he had his hands cuffed behind his back like she did.............yes.


But, don't underestimate what some people can still do with their hands cuffed. About 15 years ago a LEO from a nearby county was shot twice with his service revolver (yes they still issued revolvers to local PD there, which was a contributing factor) by a suspect who was being put into a patrol car with his hands cuffed behind his back.
Title: Re: Why I hate lawyers soooo much
Post by: m25operator on May 09, 2009, 09:08:04 PM
Her eyes are blackened, but her nose is not broken to the point that an impact could cause these injuries to her eyes, they were specific, caused by something individual, like a fist, flashlight, baton etc... Everyone should take into account anyone running for office, should not be a lawyer, that should be an automatic disqualification, even if they are a good guy or gal. they're mindset is using law for or against us. If against, then it allows judges the opportunity to rule against us, regardless of the actual law.

1st the lawyers, then the politician's "
Title: Re: Why I hate lawyers soooo much
Post by: fullautovalmet76 on May 09, 2009, 09:08:45 PM
If he had his hands cuffed behind his back like she did.............yes.


But, don't underestimate what some people can still do with their hands cuffed. About 15 years ago a LEO from a nearby county was shot twice with his service revolver (yes they still issued revolvers to local PD there, which was a contributing factor) by a suspect who was being put into a patrol car with his hands cuffed behind his back.

As someone posted above, we have a double standard in this society to how men and women are treated, especially in the judicial system. There was a case here in town a few years ago about a college football player who was allegedly roughed up by the police while he was in custody for DUI. The player claimed police brutality and the police said he fell and hit his face on the floor, while handcuffed. Most of the reaction in the community was he deserved whatever he got because he was drunk and giving the officers a hard time.

The officer in this case should have summoned another female officer (if available) to assist him with this woman......
Title: Re: Why I hate lawyers soooo much
Post by: PegLeg45 on May 09, 2009, 09:22:29 PM
Her eyes are blackened, but her nose is not broken to the point that an impact could cause these injuries to her eyes, they were specific, caused by something individual, like a fist, flashlight, baton etc... Everyone should take into account anyone running for office, should not be a lawyer, that should be an automatic disqualification, even if they are a good guy or gal. they're mindset is using law for or against us. If against, then it allows judges the opportunity to rule against us, regardless of the actual law.

1st the lawyers, then the politician's "


You wouldn't be referring to something ol' Bill Shakespeare once wrote now would you?        ;)




As someone posted above, we have a double standard in this society to how men and women are treated, especially in the judicial system. There was a case here in town a few years ago about a college football player who was allegedly roughed up by the police while he was in custody for DUI. The player claimed police brutality and the police said he fell and hit his face on the floor, while handcuffed. Most of the reaction in the community was he deserved whatever he got because he was drunk and giving the officers a hard time.

The officer in this case should have summoned another female officer (if available) to assist him with this woman......

I definitely agree that there is a double standard....on many levels in this country.
I needed to clarify that I was lapsing into thinking how things should be and not how they are.

Each case should be considered based on facts.....(perish the thought).

Title: Re: Why I hate lawyers soooo much
Post by: twyacht on May 10, 2009, 07:37:31 AM
The floor and the lockers kept hitting her in the face. Like the inmate who "kept" falling down those stairs,.....

Turning off the video was NOT good.... Not having another officer with him (preferably female), would have helped.

Title: Re: Why I hate lawyers soooo much
Post by: tombogan03884 on May 10, 2009, 11:13:38 AM
"Why I hate lawyers soooo much"

My reason is because they have forgotten that their purpose is to provide "fair representation" to the accused, nowadays the name of the game is to get the defendant off no matter what. Guilt or innocence has nothing to do with it, it's all about the win/loss average.
Title: Re: Why I hate lawyers soooo much
Post by: Sanjuro on May 10, 2009, 05:52:10 PM
"Why I hate lawyers soooo much"

My reason is because they have forgotten that their purpose is to provide "fair representation" to the accused, nowadays the name of the game is to get the defendant off no matter what. Guilt or innocence has nothing to do with it, it's all about the win/loss average.

That's kind of painting wide wide strokes....is it not?
Title: Re: Why I hate lawyers soooo much
Post by: tombogan03884 on May 10, 2009, 07:01:23 PM
That's kind of painting wide wide strokes....is it not?

Not really, the way Bruce Cutler got Gotti off was by bribing a juror, that and the fact that he was advising Gotti on other things was why he was not allowed to represent him the third time, in fact he was nearly indicted himself.
Title: Re: Why I hate lawyers soooo much
Post by: TAB on May 10, 2009, 07:03:14 PM
"Why I hate lawyers soooo much"

My reason is because they have forgotten that their purpose is to provide "fair representation" to the accused, nowadays the name of the game is to get the defendant off no matter what. Guilt or innocence has nothing to do with it, it's all about the win/loss average.



I don't want a honest lawyer... I want one that that is evil. 
Title: Re: Why I hate lawyers soooo much
Post by: tombogan03884 on May 10, 2009, 07:08:42 PM
A lawyers job is to tell how to stay out of jail while doing as i darn well please.
Title: Re: Why I hate lawyers soooo much
Post by: twyacht on May 10, 2009, 07:32:01 PM
Lawyers are constantly dissed until you need one,....than suddenly your greatest asset in getting through the BS that is our legal system is a lawyer.

If you have money, you stand a better chance of getting out of something than someone who has a public defender.

I could cite O.J. but why,....

Point being, everyone hates them until they need one.

Ironic from Shakespeare's point of view. but part of today's world.

A boat full of lawyer's sinks in shark infested waters, while the lawyers float, the sharks won;t attack.

Why?

Professional courtesy....

Title: Re: Why I hate lawyers soooo much
Post by: TAB on May 10, 2009, 08:00:47 PM
A lawyers job is to tell how to stay out of jail while doing as i darn well please.

Thats only one of many roles a lawyer must do( its why we have so many diffrent types)

With out a good lawyer I would have bent over so many times its not even funny.


Its only gotton worse as of late.
Title: Re: Why I hate lawyers soooo much
Post by: tombogan03884 on May 10, 2009, 08:04:47 PM
They are in the same category with guns and knives.
Title: Re: Why I hate lawyers soooo much
Post by: Sanjuro on May 10, 2009, 11:20:02 PM
Lawyers are constantly dissed until you need one,....than suddenly your greatest asset in getting through the BS that is our legal system is a lawyer.

If you have money, you stand a better chance of getting out of something than someone who has a public defender.

You usually get what you pay for.  Quality costs...

I am biased, though.
Title: Re: Why I hate lawyers soooo much
Post by: TAB on May 11, 2009, 12:27:14 AM
You usually get what you pay for.  Quality costs...

I am biased, though.


my lawyer actually ows me money.  We have a pretty good system.  We trade, 1to 1.  5k worth in work gets me 5k worth in reprosentation.
Title: Re: Why I hate lawyers soooo much
Post by: philw on May 11, 2009, 02:44:33 AM

my lawyer actually ows me money.  We have a pretty good system.  We trade, 1to 1.  5k worth in work gets me 5k worth in reprosentation.

LMAO    wonder who is getting the better deal there  ;) 
Title: Re: Why I hate lawyers soooo much
Post by: TAB on May 11, 2009, 02:55:35 AM
LMAO    wonder who is getting the better deal there  ;) 

my labor costs me nothing, same with her. 

I am anything but cheap.  Infact there is no diffrence in our hourly rates, we are both at $250/hr.