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Member Section => Tactical Rifle & Carbine => Topic started by: beagleman on April 19, 2009, 09:01:11 AM
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For Christmas my dad just got me a Rem. 700 and I don't know whats the best scope for it and what power. I want to use it for competition and also for hunting. HELP!!!!!
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What kind of competition? What kind of hunting? At what range? Bill T.
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Well the competition would be long range and where I hunt the range can go out to maybe 150 yards and the competition wold probably be out to 300-500 yards.
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For Christmas my dad just got me ......
I knew NY was somewhat out of touch with the rest of the world, but Christmas in April? Well, of course, if my Dad offered, I wouldn't turn down a present regardless of the time of year.
I'm assuming Schmidt and Bender is a little out of the question. (3-12x50 PM LP II would be nice) Or take a look at Bushnell 6500 series or Nikon Monarch series.
So many choices so little time. And so little money.
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Well I got on the 25th of December of corse, but we haven't got around to it because over the break and since the snow melted we've bean play with the other toys in the toy box we have here. ;D ;) 8)
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Nikkon or Leupold. If you're going to shoot competitively, get something with a bullet drop compensator.
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What kind of 700 is this? What caliber? Bill T.
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What kind of 700 is this? What caliber? Bill T.
Thread title says .308 Bill...
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I see said the blind man!
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Now we know the distance, now what size targets, and how much time do you have to adjust the sights between shots or relays for different yardages, are you shooting Metallic silhouette?
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Depends on who's range/club it is, but what Im looking for is what power first.
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For what its worth, and probably not much, since I haven't been in the market for a scope in a few years, the Nikons were pretty solid. I have a B@L elite 3000 that I wouldn't trade for the rifle it's mounted on.It really does give me about 20 minutes more shootable (if not strictly) legal visibilty than I have with my naked eye. The light gathering on this thing is amazing. The reason I bring up the Nikon is that a buddy I had owned one of their's, a monarch I believe. It was very comparable. There are some great deals on these on ebay. Its one of these buy it now guys, so don't get caught up in auction fever. Research first. But if you can't spring for a swaorkski (sic and I don't care) zeiss or leuopold, the B@L (now bushnell I guess) and Nikon are not too shabby. The old adage about spending more for the glass than the gun is a classic for a reason. Good luck, and I wish I had your problem.
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To give you a really good answer, we still need to know what size targets, your going to shoot at. I also like the B&L 3000 - 4000 3200-4200 series, which are now Bushnell, they are really good scopes.
When you use it, early in the morning or late at night has a lot to do with what I will recommend, if your shooting between 9&5, a lot of scopes are good for that time frame, and a reticle that you aim at a squirrel or prairie dog is different from what you would want for large game. Give us a little more info.
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I also like the B&L 3000 - 4000 3200-4200 series, which are now Bushnell, they are really good scopes.
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I really can't say enough good about these Bushnell 3200 Elite Tactical models. They both hold zero perfectly, and are extremely clear and bright. Both guns are .308 by the way. Bill T.
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Got a Savage F110 like the botoom one, Bill. Except mine is in 30-06. I have a Bushnell 4x on it. Accurate as all get out!
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Well I shoot at the big paper targets that are like 2 by 5 foot and at the local range the top range is 300 yards and thats were we do all of our shooting now and that is the longest range here, but they don't have the big metal human like structure. Also the position that we shoot from is the prone and we also do bench rest shooting and we are trying to get into hand loading our guns and I kinda have an idea for what were going to put into the bullet if you need to know that please let me know and I will get back to you.
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Trijicon makes illuminated reticle scopes that are not too big on price. Waaay cheaper than my Nightforce! I might put one on my R25 Remmy in .308.
If you are going to hunt with this gun, the lit crosshairs come in REALLY handy at sunset when the deer get active esp. in the woods.
http://www.trijicon.com/user/parts/parts_new.cfm?categoryID=5 (http://www.trijicon.com/user/parts/parts_new.cfm?categoryID=5)
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For Christmas my dad just got me a Rem. 700 and I don't know whats the best scope for it and what power. I want to use it for competition and also for hunting. HELP!!!!!
Despite the scope you get, you've got to have a scope alignment tool and lapping kit to hone those scope rings out. I have gotten better accuracy and repeatability when I used this thing...so out of the 10 or so scopes I have whenever I've installed a scope or reinstalled a scope using the alignment and lapping tool the performance seems to be better.
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=879712 (http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=879712)
No scope choices from me...just remember the foundation. Good solid rings that you take time to install and try to get a scope with a 30MM tube. Anything I have in 30MM has better performance than similar units in 1" sizes.
Think about it...and this is me surmising, you transmit the light from the front lense to the back lense through a series of lenses on precision mounts, some of which adjust. If the lenses in the middle are bigger, each precise adjustment can be more coarse (larger movement) to get the same adjustment (moa) downrange on the target. So if a 1" tube is built on a machine that can give XX% precision that same amount of precision will be built into the 30MM tube which is about about 20% larger than the 1".
So, my point is assuming that the mount of a 30 mm lense is, let us just use a number .5 inch which is exactly 1/2 the normal tube...then if you have a 30 mmm tube it makes sense to assume that same lense in the light pathway will be .6 inch. So if the coarse adjustment is 0.01 inch you get 50 adjustment clicks but can get 60 clicks out of the .6 inch. These are not exact numbers...and the number of adjustments on either scope are likely the same...it's just the precision of the 30 MM tube is probaly 20 per cent more precise (from an absolute standpoint) than the 1" tube for a given machine's ability to be precise.
Also, the light is bent less in a similar fashion through lenses which have limits of precision and, thereby all things being the same, distorted less.
Do we have a scope manufacturer out here that can say yea or nay to this?
In any case, a 30 MM scope seems to be better than the same quality 1" scope.
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A scope for huting and target shooting....
My preference would be to tweek the rifle out for hunting then take bragging rights at the long range.
I would want to hoover around half inch moa then I'd make sure the new scope was not too heavy. The whole package wouldn't weigh more than 8 1/2... maybe, maybe 9 pounds. Trijicon or Shepherd scopes would be my first choice.
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Remember not to over tighten the screws or you will wreck your scope.
http://www.shootingtimes.com/optics/ST_mountingmistakes_200812/index.html
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Rastus and Tom both make good points about mounting. I've doe it myself, and I've paid a good smith $50 to do it for me. For a high dollar piece of glass on a go to rifle, I would drop the extra fifty. The bore sighting alone can worth $10 in saved ammo costs.
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For the size targets and distances your mentioning + hunting, I'm real fond of my Leupold 3.5X10 MK4 - M3 illuminated, I have the mil-dot, but for what your doing it would not be necessary, and you really would not need the M3 version, an M1 would work with a duplex reticle. You can get basically the same set up in the lower cost LRT model, not milspec. see riflescopes.com for a close up look at all of them.
Here's a pic of mine, not real good, but it is not an overly large scope.
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