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Member Section => Tactical Rifle & Carbine => Topic started by: MAUSERMAN on April 08, 2009, 01:00:22 AM
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M1 scout for me and G22 with lots of mags and my kbar to boot. Any suggestion?
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M1 and a bunch of clips( yes haz, clip is the correct term)
if I can see it, I can hit it.
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Anything and everything I can.
A good,cheep RPG would fit the bill nicely. ;)
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Regardless of what happens, how it happens, or why. Martial law will immediately be put in place. Everyone agree???
Just watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm5PC7z79-8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Einfowars%2Ecom%2Farticles%2Fps%2Ffema%5Fplan%5Fuse%5Fpastors%5Fpacify%5Ffor%5Fmartial%5Flaw%2Ehtm&feature=player_embedded
DONT let that cop saying. "No gun will be able to be owned, we will take all weapons" slip past you!
Dont think it'll really happen that way? It already did!
Burying guns is a waste of time. If they suspected anything in New Orleans they just grabbed a metal detector and swept your property quick. Guess what happens when they find stuff and you lied about it... Their going to search and steal regardless of your wishes, or what you say.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4&feature=related
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WATCH THOSE VIDEOS!
Now whatcha thinkin? Your special, and different from these people?
What you just saw is FACT. It happend once, and will again.
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1911 and 12 Ga.
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The confiscation of firearms after Katrina was found to be illegal and unwarranted in a recent court finding. All firearms that were tracable to the owners (legally) will be or have been returned.
Lets hope that this precedent holds for our future. Yes, a declaration of martial law will change things but things would have to go to hell in a handbasket before that happens on a national level.
Give me my 870 with various loads, my 1911 for personal preservation and future .357 for back-up...not much need for a long gun when a sabot can reach to 175 yards out of a 12 ga...to each his own, I'm sure others will differ. Not much dangerous game in New England other than the occasional politician...
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"The confiscation of firearms after Katrina was found to be illegal and unwarranted in a recent court finding. All firearms that were tracable to the owners (legally) will be or have been returned."
The problem with that is that it took several years to prove it and the damage was already done.
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Back on topic, my Sig P220 and Mini 14. Hopefully it'll change when I buy a 1911 and AR.
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"The confiscation of firearms after Katrina was found to be illegal and unwarranted in a recent court finding. All firearms that were tracable to the owners (legally) will be or have been returned."
The problem with that is that it took several years to prove it and the damage was already done.
True.... :-\
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My Glocks, Remington 870 and AR-15. ;D
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It will happen again. You think Obama's got your back on gun rights???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtaH8GHAfrI&feature=related
If this stuff is off topic sorry. Just want to be sure everybody is aware of what it'll really be like!
My plan. GET OUT OF TOWN QUICK!!!! With this as a minimum. There are 20 more and a few thousand rounds of ammo I'm going to try like hell to take with me to!
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http://www.nmcservices.net/marshallaw.html (http://www.nmcservices.net/marshallaw.html)
Here is one of the problems we will face.
Note what happened with President Jackson when he continued when he shouldn't have.
I haven't cross checked any of these facts, but was doing a search on martial law and found this. It starts down the path I've been thinking we would strungle with ... or could any day hour now >:(
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GOOD find!
Also note.
"Executive Order 13010: Directs FEMA to take control over all government agencies in time of emergency. FEMA is under control of executive branch of the government." (The President only)
Do a search on how crooked FEMA is!!! Dont kid yourselves! We're in trouble.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-yFamOK-Lk&feature=related
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Redhawk Colt 45 and Puma lever in Colt 45
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DPMS LR-308, w/ USP backup.
Definately with Badger on this though. The first thing you do is get the hell out of Dodge!
Already got a few spots pick out!!
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Haz's selection brings up a GREAT point! If ANYTHING is going to get confiscated, YOU BET black guns will be first on the list! And are sure to bring you and family "special attention".
If the "enforcers" are going to let anything slide. I'd say a lever action would be about the safest bet. IF you get that lucky.
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Ahhhhh, AK porn! SWEET!
A big plus is any outside forces will have compatable ammo you may somehow scroung in a pinch.
A big minus is its outline paints you as an enemy to our troops!
I still love'em! To quote the late James Brown. "Ugh, good god, make me wanna touch maself!" ;D ;D ;D
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Any and everything I can. At least one Glock. :P . I guess it depends on the "exact situation."
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I SOOOOO gotta get an AK. My wife thinks that would be a downgrade, after all the funds I've diverted to the AR. But when the apocolypse cometh, I want an AK!!!!! ;D
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MY AR, 1911, my 357. . . . lets be truthful I would grab ALL MY GUNS AND ALL 40,000 ROUNDS OF AMMO
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MY AR, 1911, my 357. . . . lets be truthful I would grab ALL MY GUNS AND ALL 40,000 ROUNDS OF AMMO
Dang.....welcome to the cave......and I'm going with you. ;)
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I SOOOOO gotta get an AK. My wife thinks that would be a downgrade, after all the funds I've diverted to the AR. But when the apocolypse cometh, I want an AK!!!!! ;D
Problem with the AK is that only civilians will have ammo for it, .Gov troops will be using 5.56. What use is a gun that works if you can't get ammo for it.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3irL20faV9U
I'm guessing U.S. Troops probably wont be handing out their .223 ammo...
Vietnames troops cleaned their guns by tieing knots in their shoe laces, dipping them in used motor oil & pulling them through the barrel... There's a more durrable gun out there???
Most all the AK's being used in Iraq are 7.62. Even the Soviet block who changed to the smaller caliber is getting requests from troops to go back, and are doing it on a limited basis. No choice but to use 5.56 for a while because the financial commitment they made to go to it in the first place. Embarrasing for the politicians who made the decision too. Why we still use .223 even though our troops beg for .30 cal..
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3irL20faV9U
I'm guessing U.S. Troops probably wont be handing out their .223 ammo...
Vietnames troops cleaned their guns by tieing knots in their shoe laces, dipping them in used motor oil & pulling them through the barrel... There's a more durrable gun out there???
I think Overload is talking about "battlefield pick-up ammo"......if the poop hits the fan, it would be US Troops you'd be up against, after all....... at least the ones that would actually stand against the Constitution.
correct me if I'm wrong, Overload....
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Your probably right on his field "pick up ammo" comment.
Just me, but I dont think any of us will survive to see that day. Our troops proved in new orleans they arent going to turn. And WILL violate your rights as citizens of the same country. A person who resists isnt going to last long once found. You'd be fighting night vision aircraft, THOUSANDS of trained soldiers, armored vehicles, so on, and so on.) A few hundred rounds will hold you fine against other armed civilians. Once troops find you its game over if you resist!!!
Just the scenario as it happens in my mind though!
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But, there's not enough troops to handle everyone....
Tom, help me out with the numbers if you're around. Something like 300,000 total troops?
No way they can concentrate on everyone at once.
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Besides that, they are going to have their hands full protecting the politicians from the angry mob. I doubt they're going to give much thought to some hayseed up in the hills, that only comes out of his cave to hunt and s*#t.
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the problem would be a large group passing through your area with IR imaging, night vision, aircraft, armored vehicles, exc. doing a "sweep" for weapons. I think the only chance you have is to find an area rural enough it takes them longer to get to you. Once in your area. They WILL find you. Only a small force would have to remain to control the now unarmed prisoners / citizens who didnt get killed resisting.
Plan for the worst, hope for the best. :(
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I just don't think it would come to that. I mean, I look at at it this way: I figure at least half of the military is going to to go AWOL, rather than violate their oath to uphold the constitution. This will probably be entire brigades. Second, if the poop really hits the fan, it's going to be anarchy anyway. The military and LE aren't going to be going door to door collecting and searching for weapons, they are going to be barricading, and protecting civilians who can't take care of themselves.
I still say, get out of town, and you'll do okay. You just have to have the mentality that you are going to be self sufficient. Stay in small groups and don't present yourself as a threat.
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But, there's not enough troops to handle everyone....
Tom, help me out with the numbers if you're around. Something like 300,000 total troops?
No way they can concentrate on everyone at once.
Total Military contingent in 2008 was about 2.8 million combined in Army, Navy, Marine Corp, Air Force and CG...active and reserve. Add the National Guard that is at state level (unless martial law is called by the Pres.) It's a bunch of folks.....I'll be in Montana by then, come find me.....
The Marines are about 200K alone. Can't find any numbers on the Army.....1,088,000 combined active and reserve...
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Anybody know of any troops that went AWOL in New Orleans? Could have happened. I'm curious. I know most of them said they didnt like doing it. I never heard of any saying they wouldnt though. >:(
SHOULD the big search day come... Anybody thought of hiding the guns in the insullation in their attic? DAMN hard to find with copper wiring and crap running everywhere, and who's the unlucky one striper that gets to hand search everybodies entire attic? Not going to happen! Just an idea :)
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Total Military contingent in 2008 was about 2.8 million combined in Army, Navy, Marine Corp, Air Force and CG...active and reserve. Add the National Guard that is at state level (unless martial law is called by the Pres.) It's a bunch of folks.....I'll be in Montana by then, come find me.....
The Marines are about 200K alone. Can't find any numbers on the Army.....1,088,000 combined active and reserve...
Thanks, I thought I was a few 0's short... but still it's only roughly 10% of total US population?
They will mostly concentrate around metro areas, mostly due to the riots, I would think...at least to begin with...which would leave enough time to either get gone or mobilize small quick-strike units of Militia.
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Unless things have changed in the Navy in the last thirty years, average squids get NO firearms training except getting familiar with an M9 Beretta, no hand to hand combat training and don't really need to. They see the benefit of launching a Tomahawk from 200 clicks out so no one can shoot back. Actually, an aircraft carrier has aboard, to please the masses, nearly 2000 women. Now, I have no problem with that, but the majority of the folks on an aircraft carrier joined the military to get some college money. They are there to support the fighter squadron who do the fighting from way up in the air.....The AF ain't much different...
If a company of squids shows up at your door to confiscate your guns, offer them a beer, invite them in and they will probably help you load the trailer for the trip to Montana..... ;D
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Dont forget to count all the police, and Fema troops (yes, FEMA "troops"). Check them out on the web.
These cops beat down an old feeble woman. Things arent going to be a friendly as the media wants you to think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4&feature=related
Just give it some serious thought, it'll be to late once the "poops in the propeller". The more people that are prepared, and DO resist, the more time it will buy us all to do last minute stuff, and "get out of dodge". Sit back and think it wont happen and your just another sheep waiting for the wolves. :( (with a lot of money wasted on the guns they just took)
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Actually I want weigh in on the bugout idea if we're taking about a major disaster, complete with looting and such. Form my vantage point in Fl. Its probably a bad idea unless you go very early. The problem is too little road for too many folks. All of them are leaving at once. When Houston was threatened by either Katrina or the one after there all sorts of folks who ran out gas in the gridlock, creating hazards for those bebind them and leaving them SOL with no shelter. And don'think you're the only one who's thought of using the backroads. It seems the best plan is to have about 30 days food and water and shelter in place. This doesn't need to be survival stuf. Most of mine is beans and and rice and pasta etc that I'm going to eat anyway. I flesh this out in May with things like no refrig bacon, summer suascage, pizza crusts I can put jarred sauce on etc. I just triple buy my cans and replace them when I use them. I have 4 cans propane for the grill and a coleman stove. As far as guns go, the cops should't bother if you stay home. My imprersion was in NO, except for the crooks who were just shaking people down was that it became an issue when people were leaving with them visible. I any case it seems that if we do what we always do, carry concealed, it should be much less of a problem. That being said I'll be using my Glock and a Merkel 12 gauge.
If we're talking a red dawn scenarion I'm on fast boat headed 60 miles east.
FQ13
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FEMA Troops....... not discounting them as a potential factor, but I can't help but to conjure up images of a group of folks showing up three days after the campfire is out, holding a bag of marshmallows........
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It does sound goofy. But FEMA troops are trained as special forces teams... With all the military, AND police coming down on you. Well. I really cant depict it any better than what you see in the videos. :(
What you see in the videos already happened! Of course they now tell you it was a big mistake the last time, so you stay nice well trained sheep and fall right into place when they do it again. Dont kid youselves thinking "it wont be like that". It already WAS like that.
You have car insurance, house insurance, life insurance. Being prepared for this is no different. It's freedom insurance! Or as close as we can come to it.
Take it serious now, or wish you had in the prison camp later. "Baaaahhhh, it cant happen to me." says the nieve little sheep.
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Everyone has to have a place to sleep and eat.
We all have families to worry about.
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I seriously doubt there will be any house to house, or any type of hands on confiscation. Too big a logistic problem. With command and control crumbling, people leaving ranks and so on. Besides I'm counting on you people in the city to clean up most of the traitors, which leave just a few for us WOLVERINES. OBTW ammo is not the only battlefield pick up that will be available ;D
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I'm not discounting anything. And, I'm not saying Badgersmilk is wrong here.
Can the crap hit the fan?
Yes.
Will the crap hit the fan?
I don't know, and neither does anyone else.
Am I prepared to do whatever is necessary to protect my family?
Absolutely. And just because I don't divulge it here doesn't mean I don't have a plan of action.
But refuse to live my life in a paranoid fog because of a fear of what might happen.
If I bow to that type of fear, then they have already won.
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But, there's not enough troops to handle everyone....
Tom, help me out with the numbers if you're around. Something like 300,000 total troops?
No way they can concentrate on everyone at once.
About 3 million uniformed Govt agents, (Troops and all levels of police) some percentage will not act against US citizens. 90 million gun owners.
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the problem would be a large group passing through your area with IR imaging, night vision, aircraft, armored vehicles, exc. doing a "sweep" for weapons. I think the only chance you have is to find an area rural enough it takes them longer to get to you. Once in your area. They WILL find you. Only a small force would have to remain to control the now unarmed prisoners / citizens who didnt get killed resisting.
Plan for the worst, hope for the best. :(
Technology can be beaten
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I just don't think it would come to that. I mean, I look at at it this way: I figure at least half of the military is going to to go AWOL, rather than violate their oath to uphold the constitution. This will probably be entire brigades. Second, if the poop really hits the fan, it's going to be anarchy anyway. The military and LE aren't going to be going door to door collecting and searching for weapons, they are going to be barricading, and protecting civilians who can't take care of themselves.
I still say, get out of town, and you'll do okay. You just have to have the mentality that you are going to be self sufficient. Stay in small groups and don't present yourself as a threat.
In that type of situation the opinions of individual troops will not matter, they will stay with their units for safety and food. As the Unit goes thats how the individuals in it will go.
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I think for me, I drive north with the family for about an hour, pick up Tom Bogan and head north into the mountains of NH and get lost for a bit....I have it on good authority that Tom may know his way about a firearm.
The worst we would have to deal with is some overweight golfers and the occasional tourist...as long as the Canadian horde stays put, I think we can handle it.....
What say you Tom?
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Works for me. I will have a former Navy lady friend along. (Her Dad was a Marine and raised her right ;D )
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About 3 million uniformed Govt agents, (Troops and all levels of police) some percentage will not act against US citizens. 90 million gun owners.
This is where the rubber meets the road. A friend I know in military circles has expressed the biggest concern for military is in a civil uprising situation the citizenry outguns the military by a factor of about 10.
To answer the initial question
XD 45
Puma 45 Colt
Rem 870
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Works for me. I will have a former Navy lady friend along. (Her Dad was a Marine and raised her right ;D )
Not a problem, we have plenty of room....my wife will need her tactical hair dryer though! :D
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Dont forget to count all the police, and Fema troops (yes, FEMA "troops"). Check them out on the web.
These cops beat down an old feeble woman. Things arent going to be a friendly as the media wants you to think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4&feature=related
Just give it some serious thought, it'll be to late once the "poops in the propeller". The more people that are prepared, and DO resist, the more time it will buy us all to do last minute stuff, and "get out of dodge". Sit back and think it wont happen and your just another sheep waiting for the wolves. :( (with a lot of money wasted on the guns they just took)
If you count the police you oly have to count about 25%.(remember Katrina)
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New Orleans PD.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcxKIJTb3Hg
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I'm not discounting anything. And, I'm not saying Badgersmilk is wrong here.
Can the crap hit the fan?
Yes.
Will the crap hit the fan?
I don't know, and neither does anyone else.
Am I prepared to do whatever is necessary to protect my family?
Absolutely. And just because I don't divulge it here doesn't mean I don't have a plan of action.
But refuse to live my life in a paranoid fog because of a fear of what might happen.
If I bow to that type of fear, then they have already won.
+1.. But a little paranoid fog..won't hurt lol.. just a little bit.
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New Orleans PD.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcxKIJTb3Hg
Yes Tom you reminded me.....along with aformentioned firearms.......I'll need.....
The Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch!
"First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it." Amen!
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;D +10
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Yes Tom you reminded me.....along with aformentioned firearms.......I'll need.....
The Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch!
...and the number of the counting shall be three........ ;D ;D ;D
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I remember being told back in the early 90's by a guy who was way to far in the right wing that the ones we need to worry about are the guys in the blue helmets wearing a NATO armband. After all these years, I am beginning to wonder if he was right with the way NATO cornholes the United States and quite a few in NATO always vote against the United States? Makes you wonder!!! ???
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DANG what a poop storm I started, all it was just to see how like minded gun folk are. But I did enjoy the AK porn.
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I just want to add to the AK porn he from CA.
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I guess the question has to be what 'Poop' is in this case.
If Poop = Katrina, I'd be happy with open carry of a large caliber handgun. Remember there were also neighborhoods banding together and not being disarmed or forcibly removed. I like the idea of a handgun as it's out of the way but quickly drawn and put into action.
If Poop = lots of shooting aka Zombies/Invasion/Civil War, I'd carry a rifle on a Giles sling. Semi auto, magazine feed, rifle caliber, setup for short range use. Strangely, I don't own this gun. My AR is setup for Camp Perry DCM use. I love pistol caliber rifles. The FN isn't working, etc, etc. I may have to fix this. I figure a 3-gun rifle would work well, no?
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Zombies now thats the poop hitting the fan. A three gun kit would great in that situation handgun,rifle,shotgun, please that woop ass hands down. There would be alot of headless zombies tell you. In my hood I would be the zombie dooms day go to guy.
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If I could just get me one of those bunny's as a trained pet... ;) They needed Elmer Fudd with them. ;D
I've never had my house catch fire... That doesnt make me feel like I'm being "paranoid" to have home owners insurance though. (Same thing, just MUCH less important)
I wrap up my rantings with this. IF poop contacts propeller and for some reason you arent getting out of town when they start talking about martial law... ??? ??? ??? Be ready to hide your stash in the attic under the insulation QUICK! I may be wrong, but I really believe thats the only place it wont be found in your home. If they find ammo, cleaning kit, case... Even the dumbest one striper can do the math here and your busted! Hide it all FAST!
One more thing. BUY THIS RADIO! "Kaito KA009R" you can plug it in, run on batteries, crank it, or even use solar power, and use it to charge other small electronics (the little flash light LED in it will blind you!) I've got 2 and they pick up more stations than you can ever believe! Extremely good recievers!!! No other radio I've seen comes close. (a few of our troops got issued these in IRAQ) Mine have been bounced around a bit and have proven pretty tough.
http://www.weemscreeksolutions.com/ka009r.htm
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I'd love to see them try and move my safes in the garage. Sorry I forgot the combo... oh yeah I used 7/8" red heads in all four corners. You would have to call a good safe cracker. One of them is over a 150 years old and was the the 1st safe installed in "the river city bank" In old sacramento.( don't ask, its a long story)
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Mauserman, whats that bottom gun?
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I figure a 3-gun rifle would work well, no?
I think if poop really hits, whatever you have on hand will have to be what will work well. I was thinking an AK or AR, but I'm now leaning toward a lever 30-30 or a slug gun. The only ammo in any of our stores is shotgun and hunting gun.
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I'd love to see them try and move my safes in the garage. Sorry I forgot the combo... oh yeah I used 7/8" red heads in all four corners. You would have to call a good safe cracker. One of them is over a 150 years old and was the the 1st safe installed in "the river city bank" In old sacramento.( don't ask, its a long story)
Sounds like they better just take the concrete with them.
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Not a problem, we have plenty of room....my wife will need her tactical hair dryer though! :D
Now that's funny, right there!!! ;D
Me? they'd find me standing in front of my safe going - "Do I grab this rifle or that one? Which shotgun? Do I want the .22 along? ? ? And do I grab this pistol, that one or the new one not yet acquired? And where did I put those mags? 8)
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Black guns "assault rifles" as Joe Shmoe will call them all. Put a first impression image of the person carrying them in anybodys head. I bought my AK to hunt wild hog when I lived down south, but nobody who see's it with a 30 round mag hanging out of it is thinking "Oh, he's a hunter". Plus as you point out Fuz, all the .300 win. mag., 30/06, .308, .223, 7.62x39 is the first stuff that gets cleaned off shelves anytime people panic. Used gun racks here are filthy with 30-30 lever actions, all forms of shot guns, and more ammo than you could haul away for them both. Forget handgun ammo its gone before the rifle stuff.
Wont be my choice, but there's certainly something to be said for the "less threatening guns".
I'm surprised you guys arent seeing it yet in your area's. Shops around SE Michigan are all full again with ALL ammo types. Prices are even dropping!!! ;D Gun prices and availability havent changed much. I honestly havent found a new gun made well enough to make me want to buy it in two years! :( The last gun I found that wasnt made like a blind woodsman hacked it out of scrap iron with his axe was a Ruger 44 carbine made in the 70's (still in its factory box!). She now has a front row seat in my safe! ;D.
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phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H47QlGq3zQ4
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Sounds like they better just take the concrete with them.
A good safe cracker could drill them and open them in about 20 mins each. 15 mins of that would be drilling.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_OIXfkXEj0&NR=1
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The bottom gun is the Siaga model .308 a sporter clone on the AK. It uses 8rd mags and use side clamp on scope mount like any other AK.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_OIXfkXEj0&NR=1
Badger, guess I'm sick too cause I found that funny as well.
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Plasma rifle with 40 watt range.
I personally keep a brace of Abrams M1A2s in the barn converted to run on generation 2 flux capacitors.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_OIXfkXEj0&NR=1
Oh God! I am a bad, bad person, but ROFL ;D ;D ;D! I felt Like I was watching Sean Hannity or Keith Olberman, or even reading a couple of the threads here. That is too good.
FQ13
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_OIXfkXEj0&NR=1
I'll keep my eyes open on October 12th. ;)
WOLVERINES!
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I actually agree with the Al Queda guy, I know it would really annoy me ;D
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Got to love the Onion.
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5.56 Easy to get ammo for
1911 Easy to get ammo for
1000 rounds of 5.56 ammo
200 rounds of 45 ammo
and I am going to be one of the first ones out because they don't stop the fleeing hoards, they can't.
Oh, and if someone thinks they can just take my gun because they are a cop, Deadman's switch. I may not have one, but it will sure as hell make them worry and look for one wasting a lot of precious time and resources...so one of you can escape. ;)
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Thanos, the deadmans switch bluff will likely give you the delay your looking for. But NO WAY would they not arrest you after that. I like the idea. Needs refinement.
"I forgot the combo" seems like reason for arrest to. :( They are there to eliminate what they are told is a threat. Taking guns is surely easiest. Taking the guy and family that may or may not know the combo to a possible stash eliminates the threat as well. Once taken, you still wont see those guns again for any one of a dozen possible reasons.
Nobody wants to accept stuff like this happening to "them". But, "thats just pride F'n with your head". Was there really any reason at ALL to take the little old lady's pistol from her? The orders are "NO FIREARMS". Soldiers follow orders. Logic and common sense as you see it has nothing to do with their orders. "NO firearms" is what they will do!
Marines and other military members here. Think back a little to your mindset on a mission. If you were told "NO FIREARMS". You KNOW you would NOT have accepted exceptions. Thats what basic training is all about. To teach every soldiers mind how to accept and excecute orders. NO EXCEPTIONS. You wouldnt have graduated if they werent positive they got that message into your head.
Your only hope as a gun owner. GET OUT OF TOWN! If you cant do that, you'd better be DARN sure they see NO reason to even suspect for 1 second you might have a gun!
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Another reason to "GET OUT OF TOWN". After cops and military have searched the area, the very first time you fire that gun to protect you family from an intruder, looter, whatever. They will ammas troops and not stop searching until they find the gun they heard fire (very distinctive noise). Arresting everyone if necessary! And at that threat you bet your neighbors will squel on you!!! Now your really up a creek. :(
Forget the sneaky "James Bond" stuff. God help you if your thinking "Rambo" stuff! Martial law = GET OUT OF TOWN.
Watch the videos one more time. This stuff has all already happened.
Well, not the terrorist video... I couldnt help myself and had to post it. :) "around 3:04pm"... I almost peed myself at that point! ;D
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Having read the Uniform Code of Military Justice at least once....
No soldier, airman, sailor or marine is required to follow an ILLEGAL order!
Some troops, dedicated to the oath they took to Defend and Protect...etc. will not obey if they take that oath literally.
Some I said, not all...
brain salad! (food for thought)
Let's put this Armagedon stuff to rest today.....remember it's not about the Easter Bunny, it's about one man's sacrifice!
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If you resist an order stating that you think its illegal and later are proven wrong. Guess what... Either way you KNOW your carreer is OVER as soon as you do it. A sacrifice nobody I ever met in the service would have made so some guy they dont even know can keep a "threat"!
If you choose to think the topic (I didnt start) is all a joke. Thats cool with me! Freedom of speech and thought! And anybody here getting arrested one day has no effect on my future. Just trying to open minds. :) Best wishes to everyone in this country regardless of its future :) :) :).
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If you resist an order stating that you think its illegal and later are proven wrong. Guess what... Either way you KNOW your carreer is OVER as soon as you do it. A sacrifice nobody I ever met in the service would have made so some guy they dont even know can keep a "threat"!
If you choose to think the topic (I didnt start) is all a joke. Thats cool with me! Freedom of speech and thought! And anybody here getting arrested one day has no effect on my future. Just trying to open minds. :)
I'm of 2 minds on this. First we hung several people and imprisoned a lot more, including the current Ohio case of John Demjanjuk, ( http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090410/wl_afp/germanyusukrainewwiinaziholocaustjustice_20090410152640 )
Who claimed they were "Just following orders" at Nuremberg.
On the other hand in a "total collapse" situation troops will stay with their unit most likely regardless of any conflict with their beliefs for the simple reason of safety in numbers and comfort with a familiar chain of command.
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+1 on troops following the herd. They'd be foolish if they didnt in that situation (just my thoughts having been in conflict with crap that I saw happening when I was in Iraq).
The conflict you mention is troops being tried by an opossing government though. Nobody that followed orders durring Katrina will get any grief from our government.
My question. Will it take a "total collapse"?? I dont think so. No telling.
Just saw Discovery channel say that the latest projections now say by 2012 the antarctic ice caps will be gone. With that water added to the oceans Florida is done for along with much of the east coast, and a bunch of other places... Could that cause it???
Follows suit with how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie pop! "The world may never know" ;D
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Raise the ocean level 10 feet and most of the worlds major cities are no longer inhabitable, 75% of the worlds population lives in that area called the "littoral zone". Yes, that could do it.
As to the ice caps actually being gone by 2012 BS. The polar ice expands and contracts, Scientists are screaming about the ice receding in Greenland, but it is only now beginning to uncover settlements founded by the Vikings then covered by ADVANCING ice. these a$$holes are trying to predict thousand + year cycles with 150 years of information.
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........... these a$$holes are trying to predict thousand + year cycles with 150 years of information.
Keeping in mind, of course, that it is being used as a power grab.
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Keeping in mind, of course, that it is being used as a power grab.
That applies to everything. "No good crises should be wasted" :(
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If the people could just perceive that there are people who exist that will blatantly lie, steal from others, and turn their head when honest men are sacrificed....then maybe they would not elect SOB's like that to office. Sheep, being what they are, are quite mindless when fed and cared for.
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They have been trying to pound that idea into men's heads since ancient Greece or earlier. 4,000 years and the only ones who got it were the Founding Fathers, but that "integrity thing" was just a passing fad and unlike the hoola hoop and mini skirt, I don't expect it to make a come back.
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They have been trying to pound that idea into men's heads since ancient Greece or earlier. 4,000 years and the only ones who got it were the Founding Fathers, but that "integrity thing" was just a passing fad and unlike the hoola hoop and mini skirt, I don't expect it to make a come back.
I know we are on different ground here, but without a move from God back to Him...there will be no comeback. These things must necessarily come to pass.
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Say's in the Bible "there is nothing new under the sun". I fear that means the herd mentality will persist, the sheeple will continue to follow Nathan in worshiping the golden calf.
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Easy to blame Obama, Cerberus, Bush / Cheney, Clinton... Whatever.
It's beyond my realm to teach people that the golden calf is not a person, figure, or god. It's a metaphore of their own greed!
O'LL CRAP! This thread is getting WAY to deep!
I need to go horde some more ammo! ;D ;D ;D
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Easy to blame Obama, Cerberus, Bush / Cheney, Clinton... Whatever.
It's beyond my realm to teach people that the golden calf is not a person, figure, or god. It's a metaphore of their own greed!
O'LL CRAP! This thread is getting WAY to deep!
I need to go horde some more ammo! ;D ;D ;D
Not really, The Isrealite's followed Nathan in worshiping the Golden Calf because he told them what they wanted to hear.
He promised them "the good life" without any effort on their part. How did BO get elected ? Same thing, 4000 years later.
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Not really, The Isrealite's followed Nathan in worshiping the Golden Calf because he told them what they wanted to hear.
He promised them "the good life" without any effort on their part. How did BO get elected ? Same thing, 4000 years later.
Goes back to that reading of history thing. You would think that at some point, people would stop voting for future promise, but instead look at past results. Of course, when you have national media in your corner skewing evry story as favorable toward you, I suppose it's pretty hard to lose. Especially when most of your audience is publicly educa...I mean indoctrinated.
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Thanos, the deadmans switch bluff will likely give you the delay your looking for. But NO WAY would they not arrest you after that. I like the idea. Needs refinement.
Not really, you see if they are wanting everyone out and are going to take my guns and I do pull the "I have a deadman's switch" several things are going to happen.
1. Free trip out of the disaster area
2. My guns will be used as evidence against me, or in other words the authorities are going to keep track of them and not let them "Get lost"
3. I will get a free lawyer that will get me out of jail
4. they will go and look at my property and see if anyone else comes to mess with it, because I may have stuff in my home..."After I tell them the house is boobytrapped, they will definately be keeping other people away.
5. I think I could talk my way out of trouble when I am in front of the judge...if they can still give me a speedy trial. Which I doubt.
6. DC vs Heller...I think I would be able to present an imminent danger to my famlies safety.
7. I am legally disabled because of a very bad break (23 places) to my leg, (Although I can walk just fine, no doctor would dispute it) and since I would have trouble fleeing, I would have to protect my family. (Four crying kids in the courtroom watching their disabled honorably discharged father getting carted to jail for trying to flee and protect himself would be a PR nightmare for the Justice Department)
8. Oh, and I am a poor struggling student.
The only thing that would help me more would be an illegal alien minority. ;)
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Tom, you know the good book well!
"the good life" = Greed. Greed serves pride.
Pride = Pretty much God's number one "pet peeve".
We're all going to hell! Might as well have gun fun on the way. ;D
Thanos, Free trip out of disaster area into prison! (not good trade). Check out FEMA's "executive orders". They need no evidence to hold you as long as they want, for anything they want (your guns are toast. They dont want them, they just want to eliminate them. They will be destroyed immediately, not saved for any reason). Lawyer will do you no good (they were acting in a "time of emergency"), they search every home regardless of if anyone is home (video's).
Some time ago you and I thought exactly the same. Do some research on FEMA, FEMA answers to NOONE but the president, and ALL government agencies answer to FEMA.
Just to get you started.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKlkVLgarzU
Cheezy video's make it easy to dismiss as a bunch of bunk. But do your own research! Cant hurt to learn.
"Discentor"!
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5. I think I could talk my way out of trouble when I am in front of the judge...if they can still give me a speedy trial. Which I doubt...........
This may be the card that brings the house down. Judges, not necessarily impartial or having a lack of leftist passion.
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They will be destroyed immediately, not saved for any reason.
Then they will face the full brunt of my wrath later...remember the only good enemy is one that is no longer free to do anything. They have to let me out someday. ;)
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Remington 870 Magnum
Sig 556
S&W 1911 (tweaked up)
FN9mm
Kel-Tec P3AT .380
If I can sling it, Mauser Bolt-Action in 7.65x54 (for the reach out and "touch someone")
Bilble
Clean Underwear, (Mom was always right about this one,)
All the ammo I can carry and be mobile.
Hotwire a dumptruck, load it up, and head for the hills.
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Remington 870 Magnum
Sig 556
S&W 1911 (tweaked up)
FN9mm
Kel-Tec P3AT .380
If I can sling it, Mauser Bolt-Action in 7.65x54 (for the reach out and "touch someone")
Bilble
Clean Underwear, (Mom was always right about this one,)
All the ammo I can carry and be mobile.
Hotwire a dumptruck, load it up, and head for the hills.
Just like the movie"Red Dawn" ;D
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Don't forget the flechettes for the 12 gauge.
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I figure at that point just having a weapon will be illegal. So I'm gonna mount my 870 under the barrel of my AR.
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http://members.tripod.com/Price_Of_Blood/Ammo.htm
Scroll down to the 12 gauge "Rocket Slug"! ;D
"Dragonsbreath" should leave a nasty mark too.
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http://members.tripod.com/Price_Of_Blood/Ammo.htm
Scroll down to the 12 gauge "Rocket Slug"! ;D
"Dragonsbreath" should leave a nasty mark too.
OOOOOOOOO BABY!!!!! ;D
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Long video, but everything 12 gauge you ever wanted to know.
Dont hide behind that door Starsky!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ievbU3xIYGQ&feature=related
"Now lets see the effects of a rifled slug"... DAMN!!
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http://members.tripod.com/Price_Of_Blood/Ammo.htm
Scroll down to the 12 gauge "Rocket Slug"! ;D
"Dragonsbreath" should leave a nasty mark too.
I tink I need some dragons beath. After all, if you spend all your time preparing for zombies, a vampire is likely to sneak and get you. ;D
FQ13
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BIG thumbs down on getting shot with "strung buck"!! :'(
Imagin the wound cavity :'( :'( :'( If you somehow made it to see him, whats a doctor gonna do with that?
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I tink I need some dragons beath. After all, if you spend all your time preparing for zombies, a vampire is likely to sneak and get you. ;D
FQ13
So what is the cure for Politicians? Cross, no showing that is worse than carrying open. Garlic, no, most of them stink already. Oh, Oh,
I know a mirror! Oops I shouldn't have said that, now they'll outlaw mirrors cause I might reflect the suns rays into my neighbors window, causing the temperature in his house to rise .0024594546 degrees and forcing his air conditioner to turn on thus contributing to global warming. ;D
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I know you were all looking. ;D http://www.deltaforce.com/catalog/12gaugeammo.html
Note the "Pest control" device. ;)
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I'm looking for a holster for this:
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I'm looking for a holster for this:
I would look at the cross draw underarm type for concealed carry. ;)
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www.bigdogammo.com (http://www.bigdogammo.com) Sells some of that same stuff, plus other goodies.
www.antipersonnel.net (http://www.antipersonnel.net) Has the best price on flechettes. That three pack is an overpriced novelty...you can get those for $10 at a gun show.
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http://www.dbcpyrotechnics.com/servlet/StoreFront
Real Smoke grenades. Plus training version of flash bangs.
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I'm looking for a holster for this:
No beer holder? :D
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And Now lets see what happens to ballistic gelatin with Buck-N-Ball! :o
I just end up shooting with this guy,... ::)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSGUiEj80Ps
Those were tacticool jeans with no belt,....
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No beer holder? :D
It's on the other side.
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It's on the other side.
You know the picture of the ultimate accessorized AR is going to show up, I have it, but I'll hold back....
for now,..... ::)
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And Now lets see what happens to ballistic gelatin with Buck-N-Ball! :o
I just end up shooting with this guy,... ::)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSGUiEj80Ps
Those were tacticool jeans with no belt,....
I think we've found our compromise with Pelosi. If you can't keep your pants on while firing a weapon, you're not allowed to own it.
FQ13
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JC5123, I'm guessing I just got put on an FBI watch list because I visited that site! ;D
Even I have to ask what the hell people are buying patasium nitrate and box's full of aluminum powder for if they arent lunatics!! :o
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Then they will face the full brunt of my wrath later...remember the only good enemy is one that is no longer free to do anything. They have to let me out someday. ;)
Sez who ?
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Not really, you see if they are wanting everyone out and are going to take my guns and I do pull the "I have a deadman's switch" several things are going to happen.
1. Free trip out of the disaster area
2. My guns will be used as evidence against me, or in other words the authorities are going to keep track of them and not let them "Get lost"
3. I will get a free lawyer that will get me out of jail
4. they will go and look at my property and see if anyone else comes to mess with it, because I may have stuff in my home..."After I tell them the house is boobytrapped, they will definately be keeping other people away.
5. I think I could talk my way out of trouble when I am in front of the judge...if they can still give me a speedy trial. Which I doubt.
6. DC vs Heller...I think I would be able to present an imminent danger to my famlies safety.
7. I am legally disabled because of a very bad break (23 places) to my leg, (Although I can walk just fine, no doctor would dispute it) and since I would have trouble fleeing, I would have to protect my family. (Four crying kids in the courtroom watching their disabled honorably discharged father getting carted to jail for trying to flee and protect himself would be a PR nightmare for the Justice Department)
8. Oh, and I am a poor struggling student.
The only thing that would help me more would be an illegal alien minority. ;)
Thanos
Not to poop your party, but in this day and age saying I have a "deadmans switch" to the US military, who have just returned from the sandbox, is going to cause EXACTLY one thing to happen. You will see a number of soldiers freeze, turn on their heels and scatter to what they consider a safe distance, and then they will turn on their heels again and empty their mags into you. Your life expectancy will be measured by exactly how long it takes the fastest grunt there to run 25yds, turn and fire. No BS man.
FQ13 who is trying to think of a quicker way to die and failing ::)
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Your life expectancy will be measured by exactly how long it takes the fastest grunt there to run 25yds, turn and fire.
Right, whatever, the reality of the matter is that a checkpoint out of a disaster area is going to be about the same as the gate leaving the superbowl, some guy in a uniform waving people though. Oh, I sure have a lot to fear from them. ::)
But if getting stopped does happen, I really doubt that they are going to have everyone stop a thousand yards apart so they can search cars or open fire in a crowded checkpoint. I know how they deal with nutjobs with explosive vests...they certainly don't shoot them on the spot. Remember it is a tactic to get out of the area and get my guns out of the area.
And what is your solution? the typical quaker one? "We must capitulate to King George III", nice.
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Now we know how its all going to start!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Uq9pp586AE&feature=channel
Spawned from Hillary's panties?
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Right, whatever, the reality of the matter is that a checkpoint out of a disaster area is going to be about the same as the gate leaving the superbowl, some guy in a uniform waving people though. Oh, I sure have a lot to fear from them. ::)
But if getting stopped does happen, I really doubt that they are going to have everyone stop a thousand yards apart so they can search cars or open fire in a crowded checkpoint. I know how they deal with nutjobs with explosive vests...they certainly don't shoot them on the spot. Remember it is a tactic to get out of the area and get my guns out of the area.
And what is your solution? the typical quaker one? "We must capitulate to King George III", nice.
First of all, lighten up dude, humor its what we do here. :) As far as capitulation, most Quakers didn't capitulate they let themselves be martyred, not my style, but there is a difference. The others fought, like a certain guy named Ben. Anyway, my point was simply that yelling "I have bomb!" is not exactly a ticket to ripe old age. Would you do anything different than what I suggested if circumstances permitted? You choose your tactics and I'll choose mine, but if we're travelling toghether and I know thats your strategy, we'll be travelling toghether about 200 yds apart.
fightighingquaker13 who thinks the point of survival is, you know, surviving ;D
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You know the picture of the ultimate accessorized AR is going to show up, I have it, but I'll hold back....
for now,..... ::)
Do you mean this one?
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Do you mean this one?
No....
I think he means this one....
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p78/hazcater/Guns/swissarmyar.jpg)
;D
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It wasn't me,......... :P
Although the Q32 Explosive Spacemodulator next to the tactical keychain could come in handy,...
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Cooler...it's got to have a cooler like Ken Hackathorn mentioned in this week's podcast.
Ya'll are listening to the podcasts, aren't you?
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First of all, lighten up dude, humor its what we do here. :) As far as capitulation, most Quakers didn't capitulate they let themselves be martyred, not my style, but there is a difference. The others fought, like a certain guy named Ben. Anyway, my point was simply that yelling "I have bomb!" is not exactly a ticket to ripe old age. Would you do anything different than what I suggested if circumstances permitted? You choose your tactics and I'll choose mine, but if we're travelling toghether and I know thats your strategy, we'll be travelling toghether about 200 yds apart.
fightighingquaker13 who thinks the point of survival is, you know, surviving ;D
FQ, I do not understand the reference. I know America's first 6 Frigates (Constitution, Constellation, Congress, Chesapeake, President and United States ) were designed by a Philly Quaker named Humphreys, but I can not come up with a famous Quaker named "Ben". Unless you mean Franklin, who was in fact a militia Col. though I was not aware that he was a Quaker.
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Franklin?
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JC5123, I'm guessing I just got put on an FBI watch list because I visited that site! ;D
Even I have to ask what the hell people are buying patasium nitrate and box's full of aluminum powder for if they arent lunatics!! :o
I thought the same thing when I first came across the site, but I found these guys to be really on the ball when it came to knowing what the regs were. Most of the things that these guys sell you have to have a destructive devise licenseto get, and provide it to them at the time of order. However I found that BATFE veiws smokes and bangs as non lethal and therefore does not regulate them. They put them in the same catagory as commercial fireworks. I got a few of the smokes when I was still playing a lot of paintball. That was a couple of years ago and I'm happy to report no evil has befallen me yet. ;) Though I' don't doubt you that I'm probably on some "watch" list somewhere. However I have been on a plane since my purchase and nobody pulled me aside, so maybe they just figure I'm looking for an alternative to cigarettes? :P
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.........Though I' don't doubt you that I'm probably on some "watch" list somewhere. However I have been on a plane since my purchase and nobody pulled me aside, so............ :P
It's too early to tip their hand. I figure my NRA membership got me on the list during Clinton 1.0...now that we have Clinton 2.0/Carter 2.0 in office there may be nefarious plans afoot to use lists. So...what do you do when 15 guys bust through your door at 2:00 AM....answer...nothing, do what they say and get happy with handing it over. No need to die in front of your children....we all have families and homes to worry about.
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but if we're travelling toghether and I know thats your strategy, we'll be travelling toghether about 200 yds apart.
fightighingquaker13 who thinks the point of survival is, you know, surviving ;D
I don't take anything seriously, so don't think that I am irritated or anything. ;D
and if we are traveling together, I will tell them that I saw you hid a gun in your car and I am really worried for my family. "I don't think that anyone except the law should have a gun and I am really worried that you are going to shoot someone."
Don't worry, I will come back for you. ;)
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I don't take anything seriously, so don't think that I am irritated or anything. ;D
and if we are traveling together, I will tell them that I saw you hid a gun in your car and I am really worried for my family. "I don't think that anyone except the law should have a gun and I am really worried that you are going to shoot someone."
Don't worry, I will come back for you. ;)
My kinda' guy....
Great minds and all that stuff....
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Franklin?
Tom, Haz
The economy must be worse than I thought. ;D Yeah Benjamin Franklin, along with two other notable Quakers, Herbert Hoover and Richard Nixon. You'll understand why Poor Richard (the first one) gets more ink.
fighingquaker13
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Tom, Haz
The economy must be worse than I thought. ;D Yeah Benjamin Franklin, along with two other notable Quakers, Herbert Hoover and Richard Nixon. You'll understand why Poor Richard (the first one) gets more ink.
fighingquaker13
I was Not aware he was a Quaker. It's easy to tell them apart, there was "Poor Richard" and there was "Tricky Dick". With Hoobert Heever in between presiding over the last major collapse of our economy.
With those two for examples it will be a cold day in hell before another Quaker gets elected Pres. ;D
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It wasn't me,......... :P
Although the Q32 Explosive Spacemodulator next to the tactical keychain could come in handy,...
Oh NO.......!!!!!!!!
Not the Eludium Q36 Explosive Space Modulator............!!!!!
Where's the KABOOM?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X-t4en2wPE
8)
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I was Not aware he was a Quaker. It's easy to tell them apart, there was "Poor Richard" and there was "Tricky Dick". With Hoobert Heever in between presiding over the last major collapse of our economy.
With those two for examples it will be a cold day in hell before another Quaker gets elected Pres. ;D
WOW! That honestly surprises me. The reason I put a '?' after Franklin is I was being flippant, as I thought you were 'testing' people!
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No....
I think he means this one....
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p78/hazcater/Guns/swissarmyar.jpg)
;D
If that swiss army knife is on a lanyard, I want one. You never know when you'll need a fork or toothpick when you're AR-ing.
The one I posted didn't go far enough and might even seem practical.
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I want the one from beverly hills cop... nothing like having a gun that has a CD and a micro wave...
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I'm waiting for the Microsoft AR that comes WIFI ready! You just download upgrades you want any time you like! ;D
I wouldnt guess they'll be any more reliable though... :(
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So after all the discussion.
Anybody at least considering putting together a drag bag? Or thinking out and discussing detailed plans with the spouse on what they're options may be and how to excecute them in a "family safe" manner??? If your at work and wifey poo is home, or gets there before you, it would be good for her to not just be standing there watching the tv thinking. "Holy crap!"
Be it a:
Flood
Earth quake
Tornado
Plane crash
Terrorist attack
Nuclear accident
Godzilla
What ever. Its good to have a plan in place! What if your cell phones not working? (LIKELY to be the case!)
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So after all the discussion.
Anybody at least considering putting together a drag bag? Or thinking out and discussing detailed plans with the spouse on what they're options may be and how to excecute them in a "family safe" manner??? If your at work and wifey poo is home, or gets there before you, it would be good for her to not just be standing there watching the tv thinking. "Holy crap!"
Be it a:
Flood
Earth quake
Tornado
Plane crash
Terrorist attack
Nuclear accident
Godzilla
What ever. Its good to have a plan in place! What if your cell phones not working? (LIKELY to be the case!)
Actually yes. My wife and I have looked at several situations, and have developed and continue to develop plans to deal with several plights. Including plans to stay, or leave, how to get reunited, and other things. The way we got started was taking the information that the government produces and then doing the following:
If the government says three days, figure at least three weeks.
Remember that all the duct tape and plastic in the world does you now good if you suffocate yourself. Forget about putting plastic on the doors and windows and get respirators.
Keep a little cash on hand, but don't go overboard. In a real emergency cash will probably not get you as much as gold/silver coins, jewelry or other precious commodities. Besides, there won't be anything left to buy after the initial panic and looting.
Finally, If you got it, chances are good someone without your foresight is going to want it. So if you plan to keep it you better be able to defend it.
BTW Badger, is it just me or does the ketchup bottle look like it's licking the hotdog?? :-\
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http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php/topic,5013.0.html
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"is it just me or does the ketchup bottle look like it's licking the hotdog?? " Sorta DOES protray an image doesnt it? ;D ;D ;D
JC, Stinks your in Wyoming. Our state needs more people with your brains!!! MI :(
The "big plan" most come up with is to buy a nice little cabin up state away from anything else and stock it to the gills. Sounds good in theory. Some even go so far as to plant crops, keep livestock, the the whole nine yards.
Hmm. Thats one plan. Many will be thankfull for those people in more ways than they may be considering.
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"is it just me or does the ketchup bottle look like it's licking the hotdog?? " Sorta DOES protray an image doesnt it? ;D ;D ;D
JC, Stinks your in Wyoming. Our state needs more people with your brains!!! MI :(
The "big plan" most come up with is to buy a nice little cabin up state away from anything else and stock it to the gills. Sounds good in theory. Some even go so far as to plant crops, keep livestock, the the whole nine yards.
Hmm. Thats one plan. Many will be thankfull for those people in more ways than they may be considering.
Appreciate the sentiment! :) Sorry to disappoint, but I think I'll stay put for now. One thing though, we have the room for people like you, not to mention the jobs. Thankfully most of us here are still looking around and asking "What recession?". Of course, for how much longer is anyones guess. We have defiantly slowed down, but for what I've heard, it's pretty much dead in a lot of places.
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We have an Internet radio that picks up channels from all over the world, today while listening to London and Austrailian news radio all they talked about was how the Fiji islands are in total political collaps right now. Martial law for everyone, everything we've talked about here is actually happening there as you read this... So why cant I find anything on OUR US news about it???
Our government and press hard at work growing their little "mushrooms" I guess. (keeping us in the dark and fed full of Sh$#)
UK news:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7996581.stm
Maybe "Octo-mom" stories are more important though. ::)
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We have an Internet radio that picks up channels from all over the world, today while listening to London and Austrailian news radio all they talked about was how the Fiji islands are in total political collaps right now. Martial law for everyone, everything we've talked about here is actually happening there as you read this... So why cant I find anything on OUR US news about it???
Our government and press hard at work growing their little "mushrooms" I guess. (keeping us in the dark and fed full of Sh$#)
UK news:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7996581.stm
Maybe "Octo-mom" stories are more important though. ::)
Because anything in Fiji that doesn't shake it's grass skirted ass no one gives a crap about.
Their 3 main sources of income are tourism, Supplying troops to the UN and International charity.
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With weather that nice who wants to sit in an office all day?!? ;D
Were I one of the CEO's that just walked away with a few hundred billion of our tax dollars I believe I'd be all over buying out the Fiji government for my own. Not a bad place to live. And "It's good to be King!" ;D
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With weather that nice who wants to sit in an office all day?!? ;D
Were I one of the CEO's that just walked away with a few hundred billion of our tax dollars I believe I'd be all over buying out the Fiji government for my own. Not a bad place to live. And "It's good to be King!" ;D
Really ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_XVI_of_France#Arrest_and_execution.2C_1792-1793
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_I_of_England#Execution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_II_of_Russia#Final_Months_and_Execution
;D
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With weather that nice who wants to sit in an office all day?!? ;D
Were I one of the CEO's that just walked away with a few hundred billion of our tax dollars I believe I'd be all over buying out the Fiji government for my own. Not a bad place to live. And "It's good to be King!" ;D
Don't ex-kings tend to get eaten over there? Great job, REAL bad retirement plan.
FQ13
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The key is you just gotta know when its time to go! ;D ;D ;D
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a Moss590 w/breecher loaded with TAP FPD 00buck and sidesaddle
Bushmaster w/ Cmore and loaded w/Privi75gr.HP in Pmags
Glock35 w/ night sights loaded w/ Rem. GoldenSaber180gr. HP
Jframe S&W642 Rem.GoldenSaber125+P
Fixed blade Glock field Knife 1/2serrated and Benchmade HK folder 1/2serrated tanto blade
Surefire G2L
Its what I got for the SHTF problem. Tex
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What I'm used to.........AR with hi cap 9mm
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/2_Mar_08_037_George_in_front_of_M1.JPG)
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What I'm used to.........AR with hi cap 9mm
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/2_Mar_08_037_George_in_front_of_M1.JPG)
The Man puts his money were his mouth is and doesn't need a semi to haul it all.
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M1 main battle tank for back up now that kick ass. Hey Diver which one are you.
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I'm in the center facing the camera. FWIW I'm qualified on the M1A2 MBT. ;D
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FWIW I'm qualified on the M1A2 MBT. ;D
And THAT wasn't your first choice? ;D ;D ;D
I'll take an Abrahms over an M9 anyday!!!! ;D
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Thinking about a "minor" accessory item for the Suburban....
Better stereo than the Abrahms anyway.. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syg8POfcd2k
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Thinking about a "minor" accessory item for the Suburban....
Better stereo than the Abrahms anyway.. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syg8POfcd2k
Sweet Jesus! I knew the the SS had guys with M4s in those motorcade Suburbans, but good Lord! To show my age "I pity the fool".
FQ13
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Is that Chevy's answer to Taco Bell giving you the wrong food? ;D "I SAID I WANTED A CHALUPA WITH THAT!"
Cant wait to see what Dodge, and Ford do to compete!
(http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0WTb_vcfH1KkwYAHKujzbkF/SIG=12tu93hlv/EXP=1249824348/**http%3A//l.yimg.com/img.omg.yahoo.com/omg/us/img/c6/9a/4541_10843520516.jpg)
America after 4 years of Obamanation:
I sooooooooooooo want an armored cattle catcher for my truck! ;D
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Thinking about a "minor" accessory item for the Suburban....
Better stereo than the Abrahms anyway.. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syg8POfcd2k
Yeah, it looks pretty good, but all that hot brass might screw up my clearcoat. ;D
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And THAT wasn't your first choice? ;D ;D ;D
I'll take an Abrahms over an M9 anyday!!!! ;D
You don't have to put tracks back on a Beretta. ;D
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Sweet Jesus! I knew the the SS had guys with M4s in those motorcade Suburbans, but good Lord! To show my age "I pity the fool".
FQ13
The guy's in the motorcade are the "Light response team", some where in the background are other vehicles with the "Heavy response team" , up to anti tank and anti air.
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If trouble comes you will probly only have what you are carrying. Right now that would be a S&W J frame with one extra HKS speed loader and Buck pocket knife. I would not be afraid because I practice with it and can hit what I need to with the little noise maker. :)
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A 3.5" Gerber Gator, a 45 and 12 GA. If they are in my yard, they are in my court.
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A 3.5" Gerber Gator, a 45 and 12 GA. If they are in my yard, they are in my court.
Hey Woody, welcome to the Forum. There is a "New Member intro thread" where you can introduce your self and get a handle on some of these other birds.
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I really like the .308 battle rifle. So RRA LAR-8 is one of my first choices. I really liked those FN FALs from DSA Arms as well. So those are my first choices, but since I dont either one of them yet I will just go with the best rifle I got. heres my list of SHTF gear. This is if I have 5 min to get ready-
*Puma 1892 .357
*Glock 19- in Galco Shoulder holster. (Gun under Left arm Double mag holder w/mags full under other)
*1911 on Right Side Hip Serpa Holster or some sort of Kydex Belt holster. Out side waist band. I am not looking for concealment but function. Double mag Holder on left hip.
* In front of Mag holder some sort of battle knife. Ka-Bar, SOG Bowie 2.0, Gerber LMF II. I will carry one of these and have the other two in back pack. And Assisted\Auto opening Folder in Back right-side pocket.
* Back Pack- Loaded with extra .357, .45, .9mm (My reasoning for the three different cal firearms and having three is if I have to go to a Rally Point/Safe Area cause my Home is over ran or is an unsafe area I want to be able to accept what ever ammo is available at RP. Also if you do a battle field pick up and that fire arm is damaged drop the mag take the Ammo. A SHTF situation to me is like invasion or something catastrophic where survival is a must and only option. And that survival means I will have to fight and protect my loved ones. They do not have the training I have and it is my duty to use what I know and protect them.) I want water, socks, and a multi-tool. Gloves, Flashlight, and AA Batteries. Alot of stuff runs off AA. I am playing the odds on that. I wont go into all I have in my Bug-Out Bag but I always have one ready in my closet. Call me paranoid I know but I saw what happens when a country invades another country. I live on the Coast and am in a border state too so who do you think will be invaded first?
Well That is the high points I know it is more than one firearm and not just firearms but I wanted to show I have thought alot about this and I hope that others do as well. I have as many details as possible figured into my plan but I know that if something ever should happen there will be things that I cant control. I just hope I am prepared enough to cope.
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The good news here is that even though I dont have but one handgun to my name, I am a short drive from Dads where I will find what i need both in firearms and extra hands to help defend the family. At my disposal are Winchester 94, Remington 7400 w/3-9x40, Browning A-5, Winchester 12g not suer what model, Beretta 96, and with my M&P ensure a good handgun, rifle, and shotgun for each of us. Add in the women folk who can shoot just as good with a Bersa thunder 380, and some .22's they can slow down teh badguys long enough for us to get a tactical kill in.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvrG4T2K4sE&feature=related
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My new list would be 98K,1911 hi cap, and Ak74.
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my Brownell custom AR 15.
4 mags expanding ammo
Ed brown 1911
CS spray
Home made claymore
cocked locked and ready to rock
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my Brownell custom AR 15.
4 mags expanding ammo
HiPoint 9mm
CS spray
cocked locked and ready to rock
Now your on your own you aren't stuck with FMJ ;D
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pahh, FMJ when its me or him, id rather have ma hollow points ;D no more of that hole punching crap
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HiPoint 9mm WTF?
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HiPoint 9mm WTF?
Tell him Haz.
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i figured id cache my AR 15 somewhere if i was going to meet up with fellow survivors of the fictional disaster and use the HiPoint. i know its cheap and dirty but it is still a hole puncher in that "oh shit" moment. That way if these guys try to nick my gun its no biggie.
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Im sorry but i could never bring myself to use a HiPoint 9mm. I dont trust anything so cheaply made.
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the hiPoint was the first pistol i owned (outside of my issue M9) it to this day has never jammed on me, my sig 228 breaks more times than a gas station condom. for reliability you cant beat it
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my Brownell custom AR 15.
4 mags expanding ammo
Ed brown 1911
CS spray
Home made claymore
cocked locked and ready to rock
I'm in a rural area about 5 miles outside a small town just large enough for a Wal Mart and a McDonalds (liked it better when it was smaller). I'm in a small subdivision out on a lake and will be staying at home watching with neighbors and watching some neighbors. Not having any experience in your craft, what do you think about the planned and orderly use of suppressors for home defense? I've got one in 44 mag that throws 350 grains subsonic at 1/2 the noise of a pellet gun...it's quiter than the garden variety 308 and nearly twice as heavy and makes bigger holes.
I've read some stuff about 22 suppressors being used prior to entry, even picked up some tips to isolate my barrel from receiver from some operators..which did make it quieter.
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sorry but i have never used a suppressor during my service. even in Personal security in iraq we still thought it better to warn everyone that we were using lethal force and warn near by friendlies. i guess that when the fit hits the shan a supressed handgun will be a godsend. Say your skirting around a hostile town, but they have a sentrie posted outside in a OP (using my imagination here) it would be a lot easier to pick him off with ur suppressed pistol than ur SKS. sorry i couldnt be of more use but i really dont have much experience with them :-[
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my Brownell custom AR 15.
4 mags expanding ammo
Ed brown 1911
CS spray
Home made claymore
cocked locked and ready to rock
I just noticed this, are you refering to a home made sword or..... ::) ;D
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im talkin bout the thing that goes bang
During my time in the SAS my patrol skill was demolitions, i took a 6 week course in explosives and IED's. most people dont know (for a reason) that its possible to make a bomb from what you can buy at Walmart. i have a thing when my wife takes me grocery shopping i look at the shelves and see what i can use to make a IED, it works better in Lowes though.
i would probably set these claymores up with clothes peg trip wires with the Paint can shaped charge filled with shrapnel.
Thats what i would have when the fit hits the shan
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For just me... M&P15 and M&P40... Mossberg 590 12 gauge behind the seat
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I'm in a rural area about 5 miles outside a small town just large enough for a Wal Mart and a McDonalds (liked it better when it was smaller). I'm in a small subdivision out on a lake and will be staying at home watching with neighbors and watching some neighbors. Not having any experience in your craft, what do you think about the planned and orderly use of suppressors for home defense? I've got one in 44 mag that throws 350 grains subsonic at 1/2 the noise of a pellet gun...it's quiter than the garden variety 308 and nearly twice as heavy and makes bigger holes.
I've read some stuff about 22 suppressors being used prior to entry, even picked up some tips to isolate my barrel from receiver from some operators..which did make it quieter.
I will say this...suppressors ROCK! I have two of them. One for my HK USP, and another for my AR. Both are quieter than a .22 rifle, and almost eliminate recoil. The only downside is that a suppressor mounted on the end of a 16" rifle barrel tends to unbalance the weapon. Obviously becoming very front heavy. Not to mention adding another 7" to your barrel length. But for a tactical situation, where you need to stay unnoticed, suppressed weapons are the way to go. As far as the pistol version, you have to remove the suppressor to holster the sidearm. So it's not very practical if you are switching weapons a lot.
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I'm traveling with this guy!
(http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww40/BigCheeseStick/Untitleld.jpg?t=1255647033)
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Who needs extra ammo when you have extra guns? ;D
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stag-15 5.56 and sig p228
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stag-15 5.56 and sig p228
A person named glocker is going with a sig...................sign of the Apocalypse maybe
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(http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww40/BigCheeseStick/Untitleld.jpg?t=1255647033)
Doesn't he know they are reusable ?
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;D ;D ;D LMAO!
Note their all different... It's just so hard to choose just one!!!!
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;D ;D ;D LMAO!
Note their all different... It's just so hard to choose just one!!!!
Well OK, That I can understand ;D
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;D ;D ;D LMAO!
Note their all different... It's just so hard to choose just one!!!!
That's why I had to quit buying more. I would spend all day in front of the gun cabinet trying to decide which one. By the time I finally decided, it was dark!
Eat, sleep, repeat.
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I can not carry all of them.
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My biggest fear of a SHTF situation is HOW THE HECK AM I GONNA MOVE ALL THESE GUNS AND AMMO?!?! The thought of leaving one behind is like abandoning a child! :'(
I feel guilty and can't think straight only taking two with me when I go hunting! ;D
"If I'd have brought the other one would it have been better suited for this shot?", "That one has a shorter barrel and would have been easier to get through this brush", or "What if I'd brought a handgun instead of a rifle?", "Is this the best caliber for this hunt?"
It's a sickness!
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Yes it is a sickness and I like it. My wife says I need to start a support group called gun aholics anonymous. Mine is a sks. I have not got around to customizing. Might save that for a ar if and when I decide to break down and get one. I think I will just get more ammo.
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The Tapco stock is REALLY nice on an SKS in my opinion. Low cost as well.
I think they're a great option for an all around service / hunting rifle. If you don't have a bunch of them yet, keep an eye on ebay for stripper clips and the chest rigs! Every so often they pop up SUPER cheap, and are key to getting the most usefullness and FUN out of the rifle for me. ;D
We always like pic's! ;D ;D ;D
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Hey Bulldog, check this out
http://www.tjgeneralstore.com/advanced_technology_rifle_stocks.htm