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Member Section => Reloading => Topic started by: Hazcat on September 23, 2010, 08:39:13 PM
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As many of ya know I have a Redhawk .45 and a Puma (92 lever) in 454 / 45.
Here is the set up. I have a guy that reloads for me and will reload what I specify (as long as it is in a book). Currently I have him reload with 19.5 grains of H110 and a 250 grain bullet. That gives me around 1100 out of the Redhawk and 1500 out of the Puma.
BUT it seems pretty 'dirty' to me when I shoot. I ASSUME this is due to the powder.
Bottom line....
Looking for a 45 Colt load that is a pig KILLER that burns cleaner and with a bullet weight of 250 to 300 grains.
NEXT question is bullet make up. IF I use lead bullets does Hoppes and a bore brush do the job for keeping it clean?
I ask because I am thinking a Keith style semi wad cutter would be a great round.
Input please.
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Hornaday xtp, 300, may not work in the lever action but what a bullet, if the 300 is to long for the puma, then the .260 grain speer, most of the lead bullets at that weight are longer and will not work in lever actions. If it does then your lucky and go for it. I have found the real heavy bullets to be tack drivers and of course hit very hard.
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Haz, here's a site that lists a bunch of +P loads for the .45 Colt, from 155 up to 300+ grain bullets
http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/default.asp?Caliber=45%20Colt%20+P&Weight=All&type=Handgun&Order=Powder&Source=
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I don't know if it is any cleaner, but I shoot 19 gr of 2400 with a 250 gr Speer JHP. About the same velocity and it put down a 210 lb hog lickety split out of my Blackhawk. That load used to be closer to 21 gr in the 1980's but Speer has changed their reloading manual. Feeds fine in my Puma Win92
At those velocities, you may get a fair amount of leading...I don't know for sure, but you may need to try a bullet with a gas check.
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M25, what about powder and how much? Looking for less 'smoke'.
BTW, so far I have had no problems with cycling. Maybe cause it's really a .454.
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I also use 2400 but would think that H-110 would burn cleaner. Have you tried H-4227?
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No I have not and I am asking y'all cause I don't know crap about the actual properties of the powders. Just the loads and such from the reload manuals I have.
As I stated I am looking for a clean burning 1200 fps (handgun) and a good stopping bullet.
THANKS!
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I have heard that Titegroup is fairly clean burning, and the using gas-checks on hard cast lead bullets will prevent leading.
Friend sent me this when I asked hi about it a while back. I have a pound of it but have not tried it yet.
http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/powder-keg/39106-titegroup-powder.html
http://www.hodgdon.com/shotpist.html
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Haz, I would go with a jacketed bullet load because part of the smoke you are getting is from the lead bullet.
Richard
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Is the chamber in the rifle long enough for a ruger only load?
Just for the nut swingers, the ruger only loads are do to rugers having a longer cylinder that can take a longer OAL. It has nothing to do with strength.
Since the 454 has a greater OAL, it might work. you do need to check before you order a bunch made up.
The ruger only loads will let you run up to 360 grainers.
Lots of guys also use lit'gun for powder.
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thanks, all
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In my Smith I run 21.5 of H110, and seat the bullet in the rearward cannelure, this is the 300 xtp. I have used the same load on the 320 gas check lead bullet, but man the xtp, works as advertised. 4" groups at 100 yrds with a 5" pistol, I will take that all day long, and it is not as violent as the 180grn pills at max.
Tab, no dice, the Ruger cylinder is stronger, from a guy who does not own a Ruger revolver, I have owned them but only blackhawks and always just sold them. well I did own a Redhawk once, not my cup of tea.
Now, as to Ruger DA frames being stronger, when rebarreling revolvers, the only frame I ever bent, was a security six, good thing was just rotate it the other way and it will bend back and line right back up.
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M25
its do to the longer cylinder that they have ruger only loads. An modern 45 colt can take the presure, but many can't take the OAL. If you want to see a beefy cylinder look at Freedom arms, but guess what, ruger only loads won't fit in them. Trust me a FA gun would giggle over a load that would blow a ruger up.
You also have to remember that 45 colt is a old chambering. A SA army, can not take the persure that modern loadings can put out.
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Is the chamber in the rifle long enough for a ruger only load?
Just for the nut swingers, the ruger only loads are do to rugers having a longer cylinder that can take a longer OAL. It has nothing to do with strength.
Since the 454 has a greater OAL, it might work. you do need to check before you order a bunch made up.
The ruger only loads will let you run up to 360 grainers.
Lots of guys also use lit'gun for powder.
M25
its do to the longer cylinder that they have ruger only loads. An modern 45 colt can take the presure, but many can't take the OAL. If you want to see a beefy cylinder look at Freedom arms, but guess what, ruger only loads won't fit in them. Trust me a FA gun would giggle over a load that would blow a ruger up.
You also have to remember that 45 colt is a old chambering. A SA army, can not take the persure that modern loadings can put out.
Rugers may have a longer cylinder allowing for a longer overall length, but Ruger cylinders are stronger than many other .45 Colt caliber revolvers. Some Ruger only loads do have longer OAL that may not fit in FA revolvers due to hevier bullet weights resulting in longer bullets and therefore a longer loaded cartridge, but some Ruger only loads will fit FA revolvers. You have indicated yourself (note the red highlight) that the SAA can not take higher pressures. Also read the Speer manual. A review of the work that Keith did would also be worthwhile.
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My Winchester 94 Trapper in .45 Colt just put 2 deer in the freezer. The hand load I use for hunting game is .45 Colt Starline brass with 19.5 grains of H-110 and Cast Performance's 335 grain hard cast LBT designed bullet. (I ordered the bullets from Cabellas) I have also used this load on wild boar with great sucess. Nice thing about hard lead bullets you get very little meat damage and I have not had the game go past 100 yards after being hit. 8)
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Hello everyone!
Guys, I manually collect .45 Long Colt high pressure for bullet 255 Gran
Who else equips for Rossi 65 (octagon barrel), seen the damage or change the details of the rifle?
Or were the strain liners or primers?
How to make the chamber? Not dangerously so shoot if oval chamber near the entrance?
I do for hunting by elk...
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With regards to Titegroup powder, this powder is a very fast burning, not intended for mag loads. It is intended for target loads.
250 grain hornady xtp MAX LOAD of 6.3 g for 750 fps in ruger Blackhawk (BISLEY).
PLEASE GET AND READ A RELOADING MANUAL FROM THE MFG OF THE BULLET YOU WANT TO USE.
Hornady 8th edition, page 1007, and page 1011 (depends on the firearm used).
DO NOT START OFF WITH THE MAX LOAD LISTED!!!
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Hello everyone!
Guys, I manually collect .45 Long Colt high pressure for bullet 255 Gran
Who else equips for Rossi 65 (octagon barrel), seen the damage or change the details of the rifle?
Or were the strain liners or primers?
How to make the chamber? Not dangerously so shoot if oval chamber near the entrance?
I do for hunting by elk...
And when you get, and use, a reloading manual, pick up a better translation software to go with it please.
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And when you get, and use, a reloading manual, pick up a better translation software to go with it please.
Me so sorry! Better me do good next time for me.. ;)
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It's not the "spam" that annoys me so much as the fact they can't even be bothered to make it coherent in any language.
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I was thinking, "Whoa, dude. Easy up on the energy drinks."