The Down Range Forum
Member Section => Tactical Rifle & Carbine => Topic started by: alfsauve on August 08, 2014, 04:27:46 PM
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After have weaved all over the place, I've decide, in my advance super senior age bracket, that I need to simplify and limit my collection.
In bolt action I have a Mosin-Nagant, a 7mm mauser and a 7mm Ruger and a Tikka in .338 Fed. I've decided to sell all of them and get one good .308.
I'm not sold on the "Scout" concept. More of a "conventional" design (scope over action) person myself. Ah-ha. Tikka has announced a CTR short bolt action tactical style rifle.
(http://www.tikka.fi/images/t3/ctr.jpg)
As much as I encourage everyone to go with guns that have commonly available magazines, I'll eat my words here.
I really love the feel of my .338 Tikka Lite. Excellent trigger. Sturdy and well made. I'm thinking this is my .308. For those who want a convention scope mount in a tactical style .308, this may be the ticket. (I KNOW I KNOW. I'm living on the edge. A newly introduce rifle. Limited availability.)
Now all I got to do is sell all the others.
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Selling a gun is always bad.
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You have 2 kidneys and only really need one. ;)
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You know you can mount a conventional scope on the GSR?
That Tikka is nice looking, though.
I was looking at Blaser's website today. Wow, those are pretty! Fortunately it costs nothing to look.
(http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp244/bchiaravalle/R8_Safari_BE_01_zpsfa495f85.png) (http://s416.photobucket.com/user/bchiaravalle/media/R8_Safari_BE_01_zpsfa495f85.png.html)
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I'm looking for a new hunting rifle and this is on my list.
I'm with Tab, I'd never sell a gun unless I really had too, not even the Mosin or cheap Chinese SKS I bought when I was in college.
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Yeah, the Blasers are nice, Brian.
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Go here http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/models/
then on the left look under 'specialty' then choose 'hog hunter'.
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I like my Tikka, but Savage is still my go to for overall value. Out of the box accuracy, dependability, and a price that is affordable.
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How about a nice Mauser 98?
(http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp244/bchiaravalle/waffe_M98_re_li_zpsa77c79b9.png) (http://s416.photobucket.com/user/bchiaravalle/media/waffe_M98_re_li_zpsa77c79b9.png.html)
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The Savage Hog Hunter looks good, as does the Blazer, but the Tikka has detachable magazine. Closer to the "Scout" concept, just with scope-over-action rails.
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I like my Tikka, but Savage is still my go to for overall value. Out of the box accuracy, dependability, and a price that is affordable.
Have to agree about Savage. Both my centerfire bolt guns are Savage products.
It seems that more and more I tend to look for guns that will fill a "tactical" role in addition to any use I have planned.
With that in mind I tend to look for a removable magazine with more capacity than the Savage Hunter (4 rounds).
I have seen a 15 round for the Savage Axis in .223, at $46.
Anyone found sources for other models/calibers (223/308 primary interest) and the more reasonable the price the better?
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The Savage Hog Hunter looks good, as does the Blazer, but the Tikka has detachable magazine. Closer to the "Scout" concept, just with scope-over-action rails.
The detachable magazine and magazine capacity is the one issue I thought of as I looked at the Savage.
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Actually it looks like many of the Savage models have detachable magazines, but all are listed at 4 rounds capacity. One listing at $2500 has 5 round capacity.
If it is detachable, it is possible that an aftermarket magazine would work....would be nice if Magpul serviced that market.
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Re: Scout rifles;
My son and I have kicked this around several times and decided no one makes a good one.
Needs;
1. Bolt action .308. I'd start with the Savage Hog Hunter, good length and weight, plus has the medium barrel (threaded) and of course, Savage accuracy.
2. detachable mags (common type) or preferable use M1 enbloc clips (they will do .308) and have them fall out the bottom when last round fed into chamber.
3. Ability to be fed by stripper clips
4. IRON SIGHTS
5. system to attach scope that will not interfere with iron sight usage (see through mounts or something).
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Re: Scout rifles;
My son and I have kicked this around several times and decided no one makes a good one.
Needs;
1. Bolt action .308. I'd start with the Savage Hog Hunter, good length and weight, plus has the medium barrel (threaded) and of course, Savage accuracy.
2. detachable mags (common type) or preferable use M1 enbloc clips (they will do .308) and have them fall out the bottom when last round fed into chamber.
3. Ability to be fed by stripper clips
4. IRON SIGHTS
5. system to attach scope that will not interfere with iron sight usage (see through mounts or something).
Hog Hunter has an internal box magazine. Look like you would go for M1 clips. Done any research on what it would take to modify the Hog Hunter to use them? And fall out the bottom?
UPDATE: found a post that said this would work. Would be a good start.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/718365/hogue-overmolded-rifle-stock-savage-10-series-short-action-detachable-magazine-standard-contour-pillar-bed-rubber-black
Here is the post:
http://ingunowners.com/forums/long-guns/275819-savage-hog-hunter-mag-question.html
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Hog Hunter has an internal box magazine. Look like you would go for M1 clips. Done any research on what it would take to modify the Hog Hunter to use them? And fall out the bottom?
Nope,
Just a wish list for some mfg (Savage are you listening?)
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How about the Mossberg MVP?
P.S. The Blaser has a detachable magazine.
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MVP is close but I think a 16.25 barrel is too short for a .308.
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MVP is close but I think a 16.25 barrel is too short for a .308.
I thought they had models with longer barrels.
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I see a few MVP Predator models with an 18.5 barrel, but see none with fixed sights.
http://www.mossberg.com/rifle-calibers/762mm-nato-308-win
Googled for replacement barrels for the 16.5 in. MVP Patrol, but found none.
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MVP is close but I think a 16.25 barrel is too short for a .308.
My best friend (who is a long-range competitor....he works and shoots with John Whidden, of Camp Perry fame) cut the barrel down to 16.5" on a Remington 700 just to see what it would do and the accuracy was still there out to nearly 600 yards. Of course he used hand loaded ammo to maximize powder burn for barrel length.
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I see a few MVP Predator models with an 18.5 barrel, but see none with fixed sights.
http://www.mossberg.com/rifle-calibers/762mm-nato-308-win
Googled for replacement barrels for the 16.5 in. MVP Patrol, but found none.
Also when you get the 18.5 you lose the threaded barrel. As I said, close, but no cigar.
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Also when you get the 18.5 you lose the threaded barrel. As I said, close, but no cigar.
There is no front sight on a Predator barrel.
I expect getting it threaded would not be a major task?
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My best friend (who is a long-range competitor....he works and shoots with John Whidden, of Camp Perry fame) cut the barrel down to 16.5" on a Remington 700 just to see what it would do and the accuracy was still there out to nearly 600 yards. Of course he used hand loaded ammo to maximize powder burn for barrel length.
Yeah, from what (very little) I know it seems an 18" in .308 is about as short as you want to go to still get the most out of the (standard) round.
There is no front sight on a Predator barrel.
I expect getting it threaded would not be a major task?
It seems only the patrol has sights and as far as threading I suppose it would not be too big a deal, but why not have it from the get go?
To get even more picky I think the rail is too far to the rear. Scout scopes are normally forward of the action more. I don't think of the gun I would like as a 'sniper' so a nice 3 or 4 fixed scope well forward of the action, iron sights, top load capability (stripper clips if detachable magazine fed), bolt action.
I know "picky, picky!" :)
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On the subject of shorter barrels in .308.
In the American Rifleman article in Ruger's .308 AR they were talking about consistent hits at 1000 yards with a 16 inch barrel.
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Yeah, from what (very little) I know it seems an 18" in .308 is about as short as you want to go to still get the most out of the (standard) round.
It seems only the patrol has sights and as far as threading I suppose it would not be too big a deal, but why not have it from the get go?
To get even more picky I think the rail is too far to the rear. Scout scopes are normally forward of the action more. I don't think of the gun I would like as a 'sniper' so a nice 3 or 4 fixed scope well forward of the action, iron sights, top load capability (stripper clips if detachable magazine fed), bolt action.
I know "picky, picky!" :)
Nothing wrong with picky. If you are gonna spend your money, you should be sure you get what you want.
If you can find what you want, out of the box, at the price that works, great.
But if not, you have two choices: Wait till someone puts in a box, or: see if there is a reasonable way to make what is in one of those boxes into what you want.
The 16.5" barrel might not be an issue. I would have had it as a concern too, but posts here indicate it may not be.
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I see a few MVP Predator models with an 18.5 barrel, but see none with fixed sights.
In general I am disappointed that so few bolt actions come with iron sights. I plan on mounting a scope but still want to have the good old iron sights as a backup.
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The problem with Mossberg's MVP series is the funky way the bolt strips the rounds from the magazine. They didn't want to have to redesign the upper/frame to accommodate the AR15 magazines so they created this little drop down thingy. They call it the "drop push" bolt. A number of forums have reported difficulties. It may not prove to be any problem at all long term, but I decided just to stay away from it.
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The problem with Mossberg's MVP series is the funky way the bolt strips the rounds from the magazine. They didn't want to have to redesign the upper/frame to accommodate the AR15 magazines so they created this little drop down thingy. They call it the "drop push" bolt. A number of forums have reported difficulties. It may not prove to be any problem at all long term, but I decided just to stay away from it.
Yep, noticed that. too. I'd rather not be a test subject for an unnecessary modification of an integral part.
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The accuracy of the Ruger Scout is good to 600 yds. That's the longest range I've had access to. I have a Leupold 1-4x20 mounted in the traditional manner. A shooter (not me) put 10 rnds in a pie plate at 600 in 27and a bit seconds. He did use my rifle though, and three spotter shots. My biggest issue with the 16 and a bit inch barrel is noise. Damn a .308 is REALLY loud out of that short barrel. I know I'll have the same issue from the Ruger SR762. You won't have to remind me. ;)
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Yep, noticed that. too. I'd rather not be a test subject for an unnecessary modification of an integral part.
Had enuf of that in the Army right, Haz?
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Had enuf of that in the Army right, Haz?
Yup!
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The accuracy of the Ruger Scout is good to 600 yds. That's the longest range I've had access to. I have a Leupold 1-4x20 mounted in the traditional manner. A shooter (not me) put 10 rnds in a pie plate at 600 in 27and a bit seconds. He did use my rifle though, and three spotter shots. My biggest issue with the 16 and a bit inch barrel is noise. Damn a .308 is REALLY loud out of that short barrel. I know I'll have the same issue from the Ruger SR762. You won't have to remind me. ;)
You got that right....whew!!!
A 22" barrel with a muzzle brake has quite a bark also.
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You got that right....whew!!!
A 22" barrel with a muzzle brake has quite a bark also.
.223 from a pistol with a brake on it has a bit of a bark too. I made a woman cop drop her gun when I shot my Contender next to her. ;D
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Even my .357MAX in a 10" Contender causes everybody on the range (indoor or outdoor) to stop and take notice.
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Oh and call me slow.
I just realized that all ARs are in effect "takedown" rifles. Cool.
Something for my Bug Out Bag that I already own.
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Oh and call me slow.
I just realized that all ARs are in effect "takedown" rifles. Cool.
Something for my Bug Out Bag that I already own.
You are a tad late to this particular party. ;)
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.223 from a pistol with a brake on it has a bit of a bark too. I made a woman cop drop her gun when I shot my Contender next to her. ;D
The last time I was at the local indoor range, there was no one else in the store, the clerk decided to try out his new pistol.
When he fired it in the next lane over I thought a pipe bomb had gone off.
A .454 Casull with a 2 inch barrel ! :o
(Yes, it was fun, ONCE ! ) ;D
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You are a tad late to this particular party. ;)
Hey, I have two. Built one from parts. Helped my son build his. It just never quite clicked that you could call it a "take down" in the same sense as MB's take down BLR.
Okay, so I'm old and slow.
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Hey, I have two. Built one from parts. Helped my son build his. It just never quite clicked that you could call it a "take down" in the same sense as MB's take down BLR.
Okay, so I'm old and slow.
Alf, you're proof you CAN teach an old dog new tricks. You just have to explain things much more and it takes a lot longer! ;D
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Alf, you're proof you CAN teach an old dog new tricks. You just have to explain things much more and it takes a lot longer! ;D
Use small words.
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I shall endeavor ... err ... I mean endeavor
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;D
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I shall endeavor ... err ... I mean endeavor
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;D
Now THAT'S FUNNY right there. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Thank you, thank you very much. I'll be here until you're sick of me ;) . Don't forget to tip some cows on your way home ;D