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Member Section => Building America's Rifle => Topic started by: alfsauve on July 23, 2015, 08:21:37 PM
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Ruger's new SPR has got me thinking.
Kudo's to Ruger. It has been good to see them put more emphasis on accuracy.
So, I've research and read about single shot ARs. Bolt action if you will. For those who haven't, you basically block the gas port/tube and you get a single shot. Then cycle the action. There are side cocking bolts to help you out. Fulton Armory makes both the upper and the bolt carrier for this application and you can get the pair for ~$200-250. There are of course more expensive options including a complete rifle from ZEL for about $2k. But hey, let's do some of our own experimenting.
I've got a spare barrel. This could be a fun project. Not want to go "all in" money-wise. Also, needing to buy with cash not a credit card, I'll tread slowly at first. First, a regular upper and an extra gas block. We'll mount those, turning the gas block upside down. Then put that on one of my lowers, we'll see how it works at the range. If I like it then I'll give the Fulton Armory option a go. Maybe for fun I'll get a .300BLK barrel down the road.
Anybody else interested in a true AR bolt action?
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Not really.
Why go with 800's technology when you can get the same accuracy from semi auto's that have only been around for 60years ?
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Not really.
Why go with 800's technology when you can get the same accuracy from semi auto's that have only been around for 60years ?
What a kill joy. ;)
I don't know. It's just all the hype over the almost-looks-like-an-AR got me thinking I'd like to see how difficult and what results I get from a single-shot-at-a-time AR. I keep thinking, with the facilities Ruger has, why can't they do a true AR bolt action? Not just a shut-off-the-gas-straight-pull, but a true bolt, bolt action based on everything else AR except upper and bolt carrier. Something that would take any AR barrel, fore end, stock, mags and grip.
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You nailed it in one word. HYPE.
If they marketed a rock with a wooden handle as "The NEW , SUPER- RETRO AX 2100 some writers would tell you what a "must have" it is at X number of cents per word and there would be suckers running out to waste their money on it.
Maybe it is fairly accurate, big freaking deal. Other than the cobbled together stock it's nothing Savage, Remington, and Ruger haven't been making for ages, and even with the stock it's nothing McMillan hasn't been doing much better for 10+ years.
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I'm with Tom on this one (scary, yeah, I know! ;D ).
My reaction to hearing MB wax eloquent about bolt-action ARs was that line from the original Jurassic Park - "Your scientists were so interested in whether they could, they forgot to ask themselves if they should".
I was of the opinion, based on readings, not experience mind you, that the bolt vs. semi-auto accuracy issue was done in a long time ago. Semi-auto Barretts, Lapuas, even M-14s have all proven to be very effective long-range weapons, especially in the sandbox in hands of very skilled sniper teams.
So what's changed, other than the marketing guys had "a really good idea!"? /sarcasm
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I'm with Tom on this one (scary, yeah, I know! ;D ).
My reaction to hearing MB wax eloquent about bolt-action ARs was that line from the original Jurassic Park - "Your scientists were so interested in whether they could, they forgot to ask themselves if they should".
Yep.
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The Russians have been using a purpose built semi auto for sniping since the mid 60's.
We replaced our bolt action 03 Springfields with the M-1Cand D models in the mid to late 40's.
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Other than somewhat of a novelty, the only two advantages are slightly quieter when suppressed, and cleaner since no gas is vented.
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Here's my plan. Obtain a sixteen inch barrel, low profile block, and a standard upper. Using an existing lower and BCG, play with the single shot concept. Once done, the barrel and upper will be the start of a tactical competition carbine. If I like the single shot concept, then I'll procure parts for building one with a slick sided upper and a side bolt BCG.
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Other than somewhat of a novelty, the only two advantages are slightly quieter when suppressed, and cleaner since no gas is vented.
It may be a LITTLE quitter, and cleaner, but the trade off is heavier recoil from the same load and somewhat slower follow up shots
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Because the UK are a bunch of welfare state limey's who are to gutless to deserve gun rights ?
Or is that Chicago and San Francisco ?
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Have put in the request to my parts supplier for a 16" barrel and upper. Also happens that I've joined an outdoor range last week and now have a secure place to shoot rifles. Reports on this and the other rifle projects will be coming.
I use to own a bolt action in .223. Of course it was heavier than an AR but I don't remember the recoil be a factor. We'll see is all I can say right now.
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T/C Arms made pistols in 223, recoil is mild to say the least. I had larger calibers, like .308 in mind.