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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: billt on April 18, 2017, 07:43:35 AM
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http://www.alloutdoor.com/2017/04/13/glock-perfect-gun-company/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=2017-04-18&utm_campaign=Weekly+Newsletter
Regardless if you like Glock's or not. This article brings home some very good points. Especially in regard to magazines. For example, I didn't know that few, if any of the Springfield XD magazines between the, XD, XDm and XDm mod 2, would not interchange. That's just nuts, to have to run out and replace a bunch of expensive magazines, because you happened to upgrade to the next generation of the same pistol.
Several other manufacturers are guilty of the same thing. Mostly in an effort to get you as the consumer to spend more money on new magazines. When in fact they could have just as easily designed the next generation of their pistols to accept the same magazines.
While I wouldn't go so far as to say, "Why Buy Anything Besides A Glock?", I have to agree that keeping that guns features standard through over 30 years of production has certainly helped it's sales and success. Not to mention fewer parts that can be replaced by most anyone. I doubt that with the exception of perhaps the AR-15 platform of rifles, there is another firearm currently in production that can make that claim. The success of Glock certainly proves that, if it proves anything.
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Guy needs a fact check. There is no XDm Mod 2 model.
XD
XD mod.2
XDm
The XD and XD mod.2 share the same magazines in 9mm. The XDm uses a different magazine. I have all three.
The .45acp models all use the same magazine.
While to some extent I do not disagree, the CZ line also has done similar over the years. Beretta has done this too.
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Really only two legitimate reasons not to buy Glock.
Esthetics, and the grip may be to big for your hand .
One other reason, if you're a single action shooter you might not like a double action trigger.
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Honestly, I did not like them at all for a lot of years. Agreed they are good guns, work, etc.. Ex also was a Glock hater, and would not allow one in the house. Notice it was Ex, after 30 years no less...
Anyway, I did find that I liked the Gen4 models. Lady friend started competing with a G17, so got a G34. Still not liking the trigger after 10k plus rounds, but the damn thing works, and I shoot it quite well. So, now have a G19 and a G41 too. LOL. I do not carry the G19 yet as I do not have a holster for it, but no loss as I carry the XD mod.2 anyway. The G41 is way softer shooting than I expected. May setup with some extended magazines and use for USPSA Limited Major (instead of the 34 in Minor). We shoot them stock with a "-" connector.
Still love my steel guns, and my M9A1. May go back to a tricked out CZ next year for 3Gun... or not.
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Tom, there's a 3rd reason.Those stupid finger grooves that don't fit your hand(I have fairly large hands).
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A couple of the points he makes in the article could be applied to 1911s. Standardization of parts. Magazine interchangeability. Probably more aftermarket parts than any other pistol in the world. Some people would ask why buy anything else? In the end it doesn't matter what you buy. If you like it that's good enough.
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Tom, there's a 3rd reason.Those stupid finger grooves that don't fit your hand(I have fairly large hands).
It's plastic, nothing a belt sander can't fix.
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There is also a grip wrap product that may help with the finger groove issue.
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I shouldn't have to take a belt sander to a new gun to make it comfortable to shoot.I'll stick with my 1911,Browning HiPower,Smith J frame and Ruger SR9c,They all fit my hand nicely and shoot great.Besides,Glocks have no soul... ;D ;D
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I've never seen a Glock with finger grooves, my local GS, a Glock fan and dealer, must not like them either since he doesn't stock them.
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Tom,what do you call those bumps on the grip frame?They've been on just about every glock since Gen 2
(https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.H67NRjur_6gxVlI_cwl8dwEsDE&pid=15.1&P=0&w=254&h=167)
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I know they weren't on the optic modified one I was checking out last month .
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Maybe Gen-5 will do away with them
Check out These Leaked Photos of ‘Gen 5’ Glock 17M
https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/leaked-photos-gen-5-glock-17m/
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There is a book named "Glock,Rise of America's gun'. About the Glock company and Gaston Glock.
https://www.amazon.com/Glock-Americas-Paul-M-Barrett/dp/0307719952
I got the audio version and found it VERY GOOD. Gaston is/was quite a character and the company is/was managed in a very interesting way. Well worth the read.
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Maybe Gen-5 will do away with them
Check out These Leaked Photos of ‘Gen 5’ Glock 17M
https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/leaked-photos-gen-5-glock-17m/
First thing I noticed,,, Is that a flared mag well?
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First thing I noticed,,, Is that a flared mag well?
I don't think so. In the first picture it appears that it might be, but in the following picture it does not. Thinking it is the lighting in the first picture that is perhaps causing that "look:
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I don't think so. In the first picture it appears that it might be, but in the following picture it does not. Thinking it is the lighting in the first picture that is perhaps causing that "look:
Yeah you are probably right. I wouldn't mind having a flared mag well though. Seems like the polymer could be heated and flaired. Know of anyone that has done that?
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Yeah you are probably right. I wouldn't mind having a flared mag well though. Seems like the polymer could be heated and flaired. Know of anyone that has done that?
They do make "add ons". Here is a link from Brownells but there are others out there too.
http://www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/frame-parts/mainspring-parts/mainspring-housings/flared-magwell-for-glock--prod64720.aspx
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one pin on the locking block....a dovetail front sight and slightly longer beaver tail was suggested to the chief engineer by a good friend at the SHOT show Glock sit down dinner about 5 years ago ...typical German arrogance was that the G17 was perfect...and the M&P started kicking their butt
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Austrian arrogance, but close enough :D :D
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I'm no expert or master shooter, but I am somewhat discerning about how guns shoot and feel.
I've had XD, Walther, M&P, Glock and Sig models to compare over the last couple of years.
Without a doubt, I'd put the Glock down as the most reliable, most aftermarket parts, and as the worst to shoot. It's just crude. The others are all so much better, OUT OF THE BOX, than a Glock. Everything can be "fixed" but it shouldn't have to be.
You can't go wrong buying a Glock, but you certainly can buy a lot better.
Specifics:
The bottom of my trigger finger gets rubbed raw when shooting a Glock. Yes, I can (and will) take some abrasive to the inside of the trigger guard and smooth it out, hoping that will help.
The trigger safety hook gets hung up sometimes. I've been told that I must be holding it wrong. Thing is, when SHTF who has time to figure that out. Put finger, any part of finger, at any angle on the trigger and pull it should fire. Don't have that problem with any other guns.
Trigger pull is just rough comparatively.
The magazine witness holes are hard to discern. On that topic, S&W has the easiest to see, but they're odd on one side and even on the other. For competition that's okay, but for real-life tactical not so much. The Sig has easy to read holes on both sides, but only at 5, 12 and 17. Not great for competition but all you need to know if you're checking in a firefight.
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I have a gen 3 mod 35, and a gen4 mod 35. They both have finger grooves, and I have fat fingers. I have fitted them both with pachmeyer sleeves. Sanding can help. I have opened up the trigger guards on both pistols by sanding the inside/bottom, because of my swollen joint on my first joint of my trigger finger. Now I can engage the trigger with more than my finger tip, and not pinch my finger. As far as a trigger issue, the Glock is the easiest to upgrade. I have the Edge competition trigger in both pistols.
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If you are willing to pay for it, Robar will both remove the finger groves and reduce the grip size...taking away some of the hollow part at the rear of the grip.
https://robarguns.com/custom-weapons/handguns/custom-glocks/
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When you buy a brand new gun you shouldn't have to spend hundreds of dollars more just to make it shootable. It sounds like most people would have to do that with a Glock to get a good trigger, no finger grooves, and maybe a grip reduction too. Why not just buy something else that works well as is?
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When you buy a brand new gun you shouldn't have to spend hundreds of dollars more just to make it shootable. It sounds like most people would have to do that with a Glock to get a good trigger, no finger grooves, and maybe a grip reduction too. Why not just buy something else that works well as is?
Some would argue that nothing works as well.
I remember many many mods to the 1911 were needed back in the early 70 to make it work really nice...and that was only after it had been around for 50 years.
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I've got 6 of them, and I've never given the finger grooves so much as a thought. And I have very large hands. I just put my fingers in them. I'm guessing that's what they were designed for.
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So much conflict for something (I think) is so simple...
If you don't like the way Gock feels-shoots-reloads-triggers-looks, don't freaking buy one.
I've owned/shot my Glock 27 for more than a dozen years and the only change I have made was to add a tritium ghost ring sight system as a concession to my older eyes.
Sometime back, I did get a Lone Wolf 9mm barrel so I would have the option of shooting two calibers when the SHTF, but I've made no changes to grip, trigger, or anything else but the sights.
Don't get me wrong here. I have no illusions about this being the best gun ever made. But Glock is a very well-made weapon that shoots (virtually) every time you pull the trigger and will handle almost anything you try to feed it. I did have an ejection issue when I first got the gun. But, I was using Blazer and I think that's why. I've had no issues in the very many rounds cycled since.
As a caveat and a nod to "full disclosure," I very recently replaced the Glock 27 as my primary carry with a Ruger LCP II. Not as much gun. Not as well finished. Trigger is nowhere near as nice. And it hurts to run 50 rounds through it. But it conceals more easily. ]
My 2-cents,
Crusader Rabbit
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...Glock .... that shoots (virtually) every time you pull the trigger
Where I differ. It does not shoot for me every time I TRY to pull the trigger.