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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: billt on October 28, 2021, 06:38:00 AM
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This is already going over like a turd in a punch bowl.
https://www.concealedcarry.com/opinion/hornady-mandatebiden/
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"Mandate" fad and fear is all over the place. There is no mandate per se'. Outside of the OSHA COVID-19 Healthcare ETS (Emergency Temporary Standard) based upon a Trump Executive Order from January 2021. There may be an OSHA regulation outside of this ETS
Brandon Biden requested which requires a vaccination or weekly CCP flu test and it's likely to be thrown out of court. Right now I understand that this ETS is being tinkered with to get to Brandon's Biden's mandate. I know of no Executive Order issued by Brandon Biden that says private employers with more than 100 employees have to be vaccinated...however, he did say that it was going to be a mandate and the news media have made it a law that isn't (at least until the OSHA promulgation or OSHA ETS change comes into effect).
Hornady is rushing into something that may not be. Steve Hornady needs to cool his heels and not let this fad drive his actions. The "mandate" takes hold in December for fed workers and I dunno if at all or when for private employees. What does the OSHA reg say? Hmmm?
So there have been only 9 previous OSHA ETS standards issued. Of those nine there were six challenged in court and 5 of those were thrown out.
STOP RUSHING INTO COMPLIANCE WITH SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT YET EXIST.
I've seen this with government agencies ad nauseum. Many people on the private side seem driven by fear or a need to be a sycophant like good girls and boys or they will get rolled over by the fed machine. This always results in the growth of more "good ideas" from the fed. Grow some testicles.
Maybe they do roll over you. Just think....what is the penalty? Well, what is the penalty for non-compliance? I'm sure OSHA has something....what is it? How long to rectify it?
Unbelievable...overall 99%+ of people survive this thing (although I now know 5 who have died from it out of about 25 who have had it). That's not bad odds...99%.
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Covid is the perfect example of what happens when medicine becomes political.
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Exactly.
This CCP flu was hijacked to achieve communist/socialist/marxist/leftist/liberal political goals.
The real politics is that the NIH funded gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Lab. And...it's part of the CCP biological warfare effort.
I know not everyone in the government is stupid and unknowledgeable about this. I was told this stuff leaked from a lab and to get ready before Thanksgiving 2019. But the leftist on the top are letting this travesty slide to achieve their aims and goals.
What the idiots in government, academia, news media, etc. who are turning their traitorous backs on the U.S. fail to realize is that when the communist/marxists/socialists take control they are smart enough to not trust the traitors that helped them get into power. These idiots supporting the left think it's going to be great for them. In reality, it may be a very thing for them if we're finally overthrown.
See references on "The Night Of The Long Knives."
https://allthatsinteresting.com/night-of-the-long-knives (https://allthatsinteresting.com/night-of-the-long-knives)
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The blowback from the original directive seems to have caused a change in direction.
Update: https://www.concealedcarry.com/firearms-ownership/hornady-reverses-course/ (https://www.concealedcarry.com/firearms-ownership/hornady-reverses-course/)
For you machine operators out there:
https://www.hornady.com/corporate/employment/machine-operators (https://www.hornady.com/corporate/employment/machine-operators)
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"Mandate" fad and fear is all over the place. There is no mandate per se'. Outside of the OSHA COVID-19 Healthcare ETS (Emergency Temporary Standard) based upon a Trump Executive Order from January 2021. There may be an OSHA regulation outside of this ETS Brandon Biden requested which requires a vaccination or weekly CCP flu test and it's likely to be thrown out of court. Right now I understand that this ETS is being tinkered with to get to Brandon's Biden's mandate. I know of no Executive Order issued by Brandon Biden that says private employers with more than 100 employees have to be vaccinated...however, he did say that it was going to be a mandate and the news media have made it a law that isn't (at least until the OSHA promulgation or OSHA ETS change comes into effect).
Hornady is rushing into something that may not be. Steve Hornady needs to cool his heels and not let this fad drive his actions. The "mandate" takes hold in December for fed workers and I dunno if at all or when for private employees. What does the OSHA reg say? Hmmm?
So there have been only 9 previous OSHA ETS standards issued. Of those nine there were six challenged in court and 5 of those were thrown out.
STOP RUSHING INTO COMPLIANCE WITH SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT YET EXIST.
I've seen this with government agencies ad nauseum. Many people on the private side seem driven by fear or a need to be a sycophant like good girls and boys or they will get rolled over by the fed machine. This always results in the growth of more "good ideas" from the fed. Grow some testicles.
Maybe they do roll over you. Just think....what is the penalty? Well, what is the penalty for non-compliance? I'm sure OSHA has something....what is it? How long to rectify it?
Unbelievable...overall 99%+ of people survive this thing (although I now know 5 who have died from it out of about 25 who have had it). That's not bad odds...99%.
https://www.hrmorning.com/news/vaccine-mandate-update/
Here’s another Emergency Temporary Standard vaccine mandate update and advice on what your options are.
Back on Wednesday, Nov. 17th, we informed you on who the winner of the Judicial Panel on Multidistrict Litigation’s lottery was – the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals. And how it would hear the consolidated litigation over the Biden administration’s COVID-19 vaccine mandate.
Well, on Friday, Nov. 19, OSHA announced “[it] has suspended activities related to the implementation and enforcement of the ETS pending future developments in the litigation.”
Reason: The 5th Circuit Court of Appeals on Nov. 12, got a second stay prohibiting OSHA from moving forward with its ETS of the vaccine mandate.
But as you know this is not the end of it. OSHA also stated on its website that it “remains confident in its authority to protect workers in emergencies.
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Not a single judge but three judges on the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals put an injunction in place halting implementation of the OSHA vaccination mandate.
There may be some back and forth and consolidation but for the "mandate" to go anywhere it will take a ruling from the Supreme Court.
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I have a few friends all over the us that have thier jobs in jeopardy because of this crap. I can't see how its constitutional. Pretty much every judge it has gotten in front ofbhas said the same thing
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Its only the leftist judges that have said otherwise.
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People are more fearful today.... Of everything. They're afraid of blacks. They're afraid of the government. They're afraid of not being politically correct. They're afraid of Covid, along with the liberal Democrats who are pushing this "vaccine" on people. It's insane.
I'm glad I'm retired, because there is NO WAY I would have that worthless slop pushed on me. Who the hell do these people think they are?
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<snip>Who the hell do these people think they are?
Our "benevolent" masters....who know what is best for us all. Because they are....
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I have a few friends all over the us that have thier jobs in jeopardy because of this crap. I can't see how its constitutional. Pretty much every judge it has gotten in front ofbhas said the same thing
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Its only the leftist judges that have said otherwise.
Not true.
https://www.history.com/news/smallpox-vaccine-supreme-court
Here is why Smallpox vax is no longer mandatory.
https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article-abstract/49/4/489/47117/THE-END-OF-ROUTINE-SMALLPOX-VACCINATION-IN-THE?redirectedFrom=fulltext
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Our "benevolent" masters....who know what is best for us all. Because they are....
Very sad but very true! I do not see any way to correct it that does not involve guns. I don't see that happening because most gun owners will not stand up and fight for them. They see too much to lose. What a shame. Maybe, just maybe something will happen as enforcers start getting shot when they try to go door to door? I don't know.
Yes Tom I know, we don't deserve anything more than what we have even though all of us here voted against that crap. We are "just alone for the ride".
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Very sad but very true! I do not see any way to correct it that does not involve guns. I don't see that happening because most gun owners will not stand up and fight for them. They see too much to lose. What a shame. Maybe, just maybe something will happen as enforcers start getting shot when they try to go door to door? I don't know.
Yes Tom I know, we don't deserve anything more than what we have even though all of us here voted against that crap. We are "just alone for the ride".
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Obviously didn't read the links.
Who needs information.
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Obviously didn't read the links.
Who needs information.
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You know its a damn shame, I bought plenty of thier bullets over time.
Just like benchmade knives, they have proven this....
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I was going to post a snarky copy of that report.
But I found something better. ;D
Just bear with me and read through. ;D
https://www.scielo.br/j/csc/a/vGwT96dRLqLwBZtGLCDLRyw/?lang=en
Abstracts
This article seeks to understand the discursive context of the cessation of routine smallpox vaccination in the United States in the early 1970s. The United States has a long tradition of opposition to compulsory smallpox vaccination, usually expressed in terms of concerns about personal liberties, the extent of state authority, and challenges to the hegemony of orthodox biomedicine. The practice of routine smallpox vaccination continued in the United States until its termination in the 1970s, following a 1971 recommendation against the practice issued by the United States Public Health Service. This history investigates the ways in which opposition to compulsory smallpox vaccination in the 1960s and 70s was articulated and understood by contemporaries through an analysis of the rhetoric used in leading medical journals and popular newspapers. It finds that this ultimately successful movement to end routine smallpox vaccination drew upon the language of biomedical authority rather than political protest.
Vaccination; Smallpox; History; United States; Anti-vaccination movements
All you anti vax hicks got that ? ;
Punchline:
https://www.cdc.gov/smallpox/history/history.html
World Free of Smallpox
Almost two centuries after Jenner hoped that vaccination could annihilate smallpox, the 33rd World Health Assembly declared the world free of this disease on May 8, 1980. Many people consider smallpox eradication to be the biggest achievement in international public health.
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1464772637771501569
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Omicron variant,
Lucy holds the ball again.