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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: billt on December 30, 2014, 08:03:59 AM
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I don't know about you guys, but my cable TV STINKS! I'm paying $178.00 a month for a "bundle", (TV, high speed Internet, land line phone). My phone and Internet service is OK, but my cable sucks. And I've got an upgraded package. It still stinks on ice. The same damn movies over and over. Or else they're some unheard of POS I can't stand to watch for 5 minutes before I start flipping.
How about you guys? I've thought of switching to Dish Network, but I have heard from people that is no better. 40 years ago it was free, and there was always something good on with fewer commercials. Now, you can't even get the weather on "The Weather Channel" any more. Every time I turn it on they've got some stupid rerun of "Storm Stories", or some such crap. I'm really noticing it now that I'm retired. There point blank isn't $h!t on. Oh well, rant over.
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Which came first, stupid entertainment dumbing down Americans, or dumb Americans demanding sensationalism that blurs news and entertainment?
Either way, it is all about profit, and we are stupid enough to pay for the right to watch the advertisements that broadcasters make money off of already.
Last night I spent ten minutes and watched DishTV's side of the FOX issue. Later in the evening I thought of the paradox in our systems. In entertainment the retailer, cable and satalite providers, pay the wholesaler for the right to broadcast their product. However, in grocery stores, fuel stops, and many big box stores the product provider pays for shelf space. Image what our choices would look like if we only paid for stations without commercials, and everything else was free or even subsidized the overall system.
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Bill, it's based on viewer surveys.
They ask the opinions of the same people who elected, and reelected Obama.
The result is about what you would expect.
If you want to watch Fox don't switch to Dish, they are currently not carrying it.
M58, it was the demand for sensationalism that came first, I refer you to the sinking of the USS Maine in Havana and the Spanish American war.
The sad fact is that most of the population are just to darn stupid to be capable of the type of self government envisioned by the founding fathers.
Always have been, probably always will be.
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If you want to watch Fox don't switch to Dish, they are currently not carrying it.
I wonder what brainchild made that decision?
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Contract dispute between Fox and Dish network.
Although it IS convenient that the only dissenting voice from the "Obama is the chosen one "chorus is the one they stop carrying.
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Back in Oct. or Nov. All turner broadcast show including CNN were off the air for about 2 weeks.
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Fox will be back on Dish, they are just arguing about money. As far as between cable and Dish, Dish is the only choice. I had cable when I lived in central Phx and all the channels below 9 were full of snow and ghosts, cable company said it was low signal issues. I switched to Dish, perfect picture, as long as you have power, you have Dish, you can even take it into the middle of nowhere, prop up a antenna and watch HBO if that is what trips your trigger.
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Bill,
You may want to invest about 70-100 bucks into a "streaming" device for movies. Redbox charges less than 10 bucks a month to stream 10's of thousands of movies, lots free, some rentals and the monthly fee also gets you 4 rentals from their kiosks.
There are dozens of streaming services available. Most new Blueray players have a streaming wifi built into them.
I have Comcast and it sucks too...Charter sucks, DirectTV was a ripoff and that's about all that's available in my town.
I used Redbox and my kid lets me use her Netflix and Hulu accounts. It's hit or miss but between the three I have far more available than just the crap on cable.
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SyFy channel has crappy movies daily that I never watch but other channels have better movies. I checked tvguide.com to see what's new tonight and there's not a single show I'm interested in. I watched a movie online today and will likely watch another one tonight since nothing is on. First I need to check the schedule for prime time for movies I haven't seen yet.
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Hey, with SONS OF ANARCHY wrapped up there's nothing to look forward to until JUSTIFIED next week..
EXCEPT FOR SHOOTING GALLERY AND THE BEST DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Mike, it is a good thing that Justified doesn't go up against Best Defense or Shooting Gallery. It would be a hard choice to make.
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Hey, with SONS OF ANARCHY wrapped up there's nothing to look forward to until JUSTIFIED next week..
Michael,
Explain to the layman (me) the romanticizing of crime family dramas like SOA, The Godfather, Sopranos, et al..
Regardless of Mario Puzo's and Coppolas writing, in the end, all the bad guys (the Corleones) ended up dead as it should be... Crime don't pay...the guidos paid the ultimate price.
What makes shows like Sons of Anarchy create such a fervor for criminals and their criminal activities so popular? In full disclosure, I've never watched SOA or the Sopranos, not a single episode, but...I'm interested to know what draws folks who wouldn't consider breaking the law to gravitate to a drama that romanticizes crime to an extreme level.
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Timothy,
It's like NASCAR - We watched to see what stupid thing they would do, and what they would do to deal with the consequences.
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Hey, with SONS OF ANARCHY wrapped up there's nothing to look forward to until JUSTIFIED next week..
EXCEPT FOR SHOOTING GALLERY AND THE BEST DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Already got the DVR set for BD & SG, but thanks for the reminder on Justified (final season).
Back in Oct. or Nov. All turner broadcast show including CNN were off the air for about 2 weeks.
Actually they were off for about a month. Didn't miss CNN one bit, but really did miss Cartoon Network.
I don't watch Fox News either, but it does tick me off that they are constantly pulling channels over fee disputes and never give any kind of discount from the already overpriced service.
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I believe most people still have some form of high dollar subscription TV but others are switched to internet video and over the air local broadcasts only! Our main TV (55") has multiple inputs so it has Dish, Smart Blue ray, a computer with wireless keyboard and mouse and OTA. There is a USB input to put pictures and video on the screen. We usually watch Youtube, Netflix or what I pre-record and skip the commercials. So I can keep up with Hickock45, MHP Gardener and Survival Doc or find out how to fix something on YouTube. Netflix has a lot of great programs and even more bad ones.
There was a time when CNN was on a News Loop that was updated through out the day and the Weather Channel was the same way. The goal must be to give us less while they charge more and then to find a way to give even less and charge even more until we are charged a lot for nothing.
And Yes Michael, you're on our DVR.
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I don't have any type of TV service. Haven't for years (3 or 4) and don't miss it at all.
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I don't have any type of TV service. Haven't for years (3 or 4) and don't miss it at all.
In the 70's and early 80's many families in our area were choosing no or very limited TV. I thought it was strange. Between the expense to get the few things I like and the limited choice of any value, I am ready to pull the plug. However, like a drug or alcohol addict, I fear the change.
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Fear not M58. I haven't even owned a tv in 10 years. Sometimes I watch local news at the local coffee shop, but otherwise everything I need I get online or from DVD's.
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From what I've been hearing and reading, cable TV is on borrowed time. The Internet is poised and ready to take over television as we know it. It's already started. You can watch several full length movies on You Tube for free. Not to mention great programs like "Tales Of The Gun", before the "History Channel" turned into "The Reality Channel".
Then there is Hulu, Netflix, and about a dozen more I'm forgetting. Most every TV sold today is "smart" and has Wi-Fi built in. My TIVO box has Wi-Fi, and makes any TV hooked up to it "smart". I for one will be happy to see all of these cable companies on the bread line! They've been screwing us for years.
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They thought that TV would kill off the movies and radio, but they are both still with us.
The internet though, might actually be able to do it, look at all the stuff included in a phone nowadays.
We get closer to a single device for all of our communications, TV, Radio,movies, internet, phone,even online newspapers and magazines, all in one device.
All that remains is to shrink discs so they can be run on a Kindle, or Nook size unit and we will only need Desktops for industrial/business applications.
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Michael,
Explain to the layman (me) the romanticizing of crime family dramas like SOA, The Godfather, Sopranos, et al..
Regardless of Mario Puzo's and Coppolas writing, in the end, all the bad guys (the Corleones) ended up dead as it should be... Crime don't pay...the guidos paid the ultimate price.
What makes shows like Sons of Anarchy create such a fervor for criminals and their criminal activities so popular? In full disclosure, I've never watched SOA or the Sopranos, not a single episode, but...I'm interested to know what draws folks who wouldn't consider breaking the law to gravitate to a drama that romanticizes crime to an extreme level.
One of the things I liked about SoA was, while in the beginning it seemed to glorify criminal activity, by the time the 3rd-4th seasons rolled by it was clearly showing a cause/effect nature in its arc.
I can say, without spoiling it for those who have not watched (but may be entertaining doing so), that by the final season it clearly showed that good choices for bad reasons as well as bad choices for seemingly good reasons, have major consequences later on.
As to cable/dish/etc
I'm thinking of dropping all but just the basic package. It would be cheaper to buy entire show seasons online, or even on DVD, for less than what one month of premium programming costs. Dish Network charges $103 per month for a two-room DVR and a second HD room added with their top programming package. You can get an entire season of a show like SoA on DVD, for example, for $25-$35 on Amazon or cheaper streaming online from Amazon.
Now that SoA is done and Justified is almost done, the only other channels I watch are History and Discovery...and they come with the basic package. I would miss Encore Western channel, but you can get old westerns way cheap from Amazon and many for free online.
A neighbor stopped his Dish subscription last year and he built his own digital antenna from plans he found online. He can pick up 14 local area digital channels.
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One of the things I liked about SoA was while in the beginning it seemed to glorify criminal activity, by the time the 3rd-4th seasons rolled by it was clearly showing a cause/effect nature in its arc.
I can say, without spoiling it for those who have not watched (but may be entertaining doing so), that by the final season it clearly showed that good choices for bad reasons as well as bad choices for seemingly good reasons, have major consequences later on.
Yea, I get all that...
My issue is with the following of criminal biker gangs, etc... Again, I've never watched a single episode so I base my questions on the brief snippets that are put on networks to advertise the show.
I've been licensed on a motorcycle for 42 years and rode for 35 until one fateful day in August. I've ridden with all sorts of bikers and most these days are middle aged professionals that play "tough guy" on the weekend. Some are actual members of organized clubs but rarely would you find them doing anything even remotely illegal. These same guys wear SOA hoodies and tees that promote that show and I find it ridiculous!
Crime is crime...bikers that steal, racketeer, kill and promote violence are not the norm and deserve to die a violent death just like the Corleones or the Sopranos or any other murdering bastard.
I was elated when the last Corleone keeled over in his driveway! I suspect if SOA is anything similar, I suspect I'd have a similar response!
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Then you would LOVE the conclusion of the show, Tim. ;) ;D
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Then you would LOVE the conclusion of the show, Tim. ;) ;D
:)
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I've ridden with all sorts of bikers and most these days are middle aged professionals that play "tough guy" on the weekend.
There are bikers and then there are guys who own and ride motorcycles.
Playing tough guy on weekends doesn't make someone a biker IMHO. That's just a Nouveau Biker that is about as dangerous as your average housecat.
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Maybe it's because no one would watch a TV series about a guy who owns a motorcycle and rides it to work, and on weekends.
You ever notice that Cop shows are never about the endless years of picking up drunks and handing out parking tickets, westerns were never about an uneventful cattle drive.
All for the very simple reason that those things are basically boring as hell.
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I receive all the American channels and just about all of the other ones from Houston with a 15 year old Bar Antenna in the attic of my home. The only Internet available on my street is the Phone Company DSL running at less then one Mbps but is unlimited.
The TV tuner cards work with Windows Media player on the computer but only record one program at a time.
A friend shares accounts with his grown children who live in other parts of the City so he can activate Smart TV Apps with their log ins, I think he is just too cheap to have his own accounts.
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Maybe it's because no one would watch a TV series about a guy who owns a motorcycle and rides it to work, and on weekends.
You ever notice that Cop shows are never about the endless years of picking up drunks and handing out parking tickets, westerns were never about an uneventful cattle drive.
All for the very simple reason that those things are basically boring as hell.
Bingo. Proof of Tom's statement is, "Marriage Boot Camp". I just happened to flip to the previews of this convoluted clusterf#*k a couple of nights ago. They basically take a bunch of completely F*#KED up celebrities, who have managed to train wreck their lives and marriages to a point they should have never been married in the first place.
Then they stick the whole rotten bunch of these idiots in a multi million dollar home, along with a couple of "experts". Then proceed to video tape the whole train wreck that takes place, and make a TV show about it. It's nothing more than Jerry Springer on steroids, with more made up women in expensive clothes. Instead of inbred West Virginia trailer park refugees, with 3 teeth in their whole mouth and 14 kids per litter. It all goes to show how television can make something out of nothing, just as long as they have an audience stupid enough to watch it.
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I have to wait to watch 9/10th's of the TV these days until after my boys have gone to bed, at which point, the experience is pretty much the same as Netflix. All cable tv does is fill up my DVR.
Speaking of which, we had broadcast-only for awhile, and my sones (ages 9 and 11) were genuinely puzzled with the concept that the show the wanted to watch was "not on".
Do you think that in 20 years, when they have their own households, they'll put up with cable bundling?
Me neither.
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There are posts from people who claim to not watch TV anymore and at first I feel like those people are missing something. But there is so much lame programing maybe we should all cut back to just what we really want to see and do something else with the rest of our time. There are long running series I have never watched just because I choose not to spend my time on them. One I tried to watch may surprise this bunch, it's Criminal Minds. I watched about 5 or 6 episodes of the first year and my impression was "The white guy did it, the white guy is always the one who does it, the white guy is the one with the criminal mind! Sorry Joe.
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........I watched about 5 or 6 episodes of the first year and my impression was "The white guy did it, the white guy is always the one who does it, the white guy is the one with the criminal mind!
I don't think this train of thought is limited to just television. It's pretty widely accepted throughout society in general today. Be it minorities or whacked out, violent religions.
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There are posts from people who claim to not watch TV anymore and at first I feel like those people are missing something. But there is so much lame programing maybe we should all cut back to just what we really want to see and do something else with the rest of our time. There are long running series I have never watched just because I choose not to spend my time on them. One I tried to watch may surprise this bunch, it's Criminal Minds. I watched about 5 or 6 episodes of the first year and my impression was "The white guy did it, the white guy is always the one who does it, the white guy is the one with the criminal mind! Sorry Joe.
Not that much of a surprise, when I was watching TV I liked "CSI", (the original) "NCIS", and "Law and Order" back when Cris Noth, Jerry Aurbach, and Fred Thompson were on it.
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I never watched the CSI franchise and Law and Order lost me real fast. Watching a lisping thug play a Police Detective brow beating innocent Citizens to find the bad guy of the week was too much. NCIS New Orleans doesn't have whatever the other two have and I expect it to be the first one canceled.
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I never watched the CSI franchise and Law and Order lost me real fast. Watching a lisping thug play a Police Detective brow beating innocent Citizens to find the bad guy of the week was too much. NCIS New Orleans doesn't have whatever the other two have and I expect it to be the first one canceled.
I agree on the NCIS: NO......
The original NCIS and the LA version are the only regular network (CBS, NBC, ABC, PBS) shows I bother to watch...... I DVR'ed the new New Orleans episodes and as I watch them, they just miss something.... I may stop them altogether.....soon.
As for "cable" shows......
I can DVR every show in a week that I like to watch and knock out watching them (since I can burn through the commercials) on Sunday afternoon between church.
I liked Longmire on A&E, and even though it was one of their highest rated shows, they cancelled it. There is talk about resurrecting it on another channel or online, so I'll wait and see.
Most of the other shows I watch don't stack up at the same time, season-wise....which means they are spread out around the year....so I don't watch a lot of TV per week....which is good, and allows me to focus on other things.
I'm trying to spend more time on load development and things reloading related.
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One I tried to watch may surprise this bunch, it's Criminal Minds. I watched about 5 or 6 episodes of the first year and my impression was "The white guy did it, the white guy is always the one who does it, the white guy is the one with the criminal mind! Sorry Joe.
There was a 1/2 hour police drama on prime time back in the 60's called "N.Y.P.D." starring Frank Converse and Jack Warden. A lot of the bigger stars today got their start on that show, like Al Pacino and Jill Clayburgh. It was produced by David Susskind who reportedly demanded that all the bad guys be white. This kind of crap has been going on for decades in television.
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We ditched cable TV back in June. We bought a Roku and subscribed to HULU and Netflix. Saved us a whole lot of money. A couple months ago the cable company advertised a special rate that would double our internet speed and give us basic cable for only about $15/month more than we were paying for slower internet-only service before. We had to fight the cable company to get that rate since we're not "new subscribers", but we did. Now I can watch football games (no reception at all where we live), and in 6 months when the rates go way up we will cancel cable TV again.
The crappy thing that a lot of these internet channels are doing now is requiring you to give your cable provider's information before they'll let you watch streaming content. I got the Roku to get rid of cable! Luckily many of those shows are on HULU.
We will never go back to satellite TV after the screwing we got the first time. Fool me once...
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What's a "Roku"??
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What's a "Roku"??
Internet device that connects to your TV for streaming content. There are thousands of channels available. Most of them are free. TV shows, movies, specialized content channels are available. There's a channel about a guy machining an AR lower from a block of aluminum. It's kind of like public access TV for the 21st century.
We don't have a smart TV, so we got one to watch Hulu and Netflix, and discovered all this other stuff. The NRA even has some channels.
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Is that the thing Amazon is selling under their name? It looks like a memory stick that plugs into the TV's USB port, or something like that.
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Similar. Apple TV is another one.
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So this "Roku"....."Amazon Fire Stick".... deal is like You Tube on steroids?
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Not exactly, but you can watch Youtube on the Roku. It's really just a way to watch Youtube, Hulu, Netflix, VUDU, and many other channels of streaming video on your TV instead of on a computer.
They can explain it better than I can: https://www.roku.com/ (https://www.roku.com/)
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They really don't care how they waste your money!
Richard
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Speaking of crappy movies I watched The Spirit last night on SyFy. What a big steaming pile of dung. No movies for me tonight. Too many other shows on.
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One of my sons stopped in at lunch today and was showing us a new web page they use at the fire department to watch movies online......it's called Rainierland.
Just to see how it played, I watched two recently released movies, Fury and The Equalizer...... both played at 720p HD on my desktop with no skipping or lagging.
I might try one on my Kindle tonight at nap time.
Here's the link:
http://www.rainiertamayo.com/
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I'm going to DVR "Justified" starting this season. Can anyone give me the Cliff Notes on it? I'm going to try to record all of them if they broadcast the other 4 seasons, like they did "Breaking Bad". I went through the whole series in about 2 weeks. Blasting through commercials, watching as many a 4 episodes per sitting. I'd like to do much the same with "Justified", if it's as good.
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If Breaking Bad is a 10, Justified would be an 8.
Breading Bad was like watching a disaster unfold ... can't take your eyes from it..
You couldn't really root for the "good guy" as he outsmarted other bad guys, the law and his family, but sunk deeper into the pit with each success.
Justified has a different theme...a "not by the book" good guy walking the line between legal and illegal, some times with a foot on each side or both feet on one side or the other, doing what it takes to get the right thing done.
I was captivated by the Breaking Bad series but I've never watched a rerun as often as they have been shown.
I have watched every Justified rerun and enjoy them each time....might wear thin after half a dozen times...
I'd be much more likely to buy the Justified "Complete DVD Set" than the Breaking Bad.
P.S. Justified's reruns have just finished in time for the start of the final season.
Raylan puts hand on holstered gun and says "I will drop 4 of you before you can clear leather and I'll take my chances with the other two, and this (indicating his Marshals badge) will make it legal. Do you understand where this is going?"
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Sounds good. I never watched a single episode of "Breaking Bad", until I broke in on the last 20 minutes of the last episode. I then recorded every rerun from the first episode on, until I had seen the entire series, beginning to end. I'm hoping to do the same with "Justified".
I'm sure with the series being as successful as it is / was, they'll be rerunning it more than once. One I really miss is "Deadwood". I bought the entire DVD collection. It had some great acting. I don't understand why you don't see more of the people who were in it. Especially the saloon owner, "Swearingen". I'll never forget his line when he walked into the saloon and shouted out..... "Enough of this bull$h!t. Let's get the booze flowin' and the whores F*#KING!"........ I laughed until I had tears in my eyes.
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He was a much better character than the wimpy sheriff.
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over the weekend, Dish network had a free preview weekend of HBO, Showtime and cinamax, out of the entire weekend, there was not one show on any of those that was worth watching, most of the movies were several years old and they were not that good then.
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over the weekend, Dish network had a free preview weekend of HBO, Showtime and cinamax, out of the entire weekend, there was not one show on any of those that was worth watching, most of the movies were several years old and they were not that good then.
This is the whole thing in a nutshell. I remember the very first time I got cable back in 1980. I was excited about it and got the best package they offered. While it was expensive at the time, ($50.00 a month), I got everything, and every month came a new batch of movies. Now it's just the same old crap over and over, regardless of how much you pay. I've seen these movies so many times like "Goodfella's", I know damn near every line by heart. And it just keeps getting worse. Commercials are everywhere all the time. They occupy almost 50% of the air time on channels like "The Weather Channel" which you pay to get in the first place. It's all gotten out of control, and at the same time, beyond pure crap.
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over the weekend, Dish network had a free preview weekend of HBO, Showtime and cinamax, out of the entire weekend, there was not one show on any of those that was worth watching, most of the movies were several years old and they were not that good then.
Amen to this.
They only do these free weekends with motives in mind....it usually surrounds the premier of one of their own series shows, and they hope folks will watch, get interested, and subscribe.
And like BillT mentioned, the regular channels are inundated with commercials.
I saw all this coming way back when MTV stopped actually playing music videos.
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9 years since I have owned a tv
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I'm going to DVR "Justified" starting this season. Can anyone give me the Cliff Notes on it? I'm going to try to record all of them if they broadcast the other 4 seasons, like they did "Breaking Bad". I went through the whole series in about 2 weeks. Blasting through commercials, watching as many a 4 episodes per sitting. I'd like to do much the same with "Justified", if it's as good.
Late to the game here, newlywed and all that (2 years and counting! ;D )
I like Justified. It was originally a couple of short stories by Elmore Leonard who is one of the great undiscovered writers of our time. Or was, as he died last year. He was also one of the executive producers.
Cliff Notes: Raylan Givens (Timothy Olyphant) is a pain-in-the-ass US Marshall banished by his bosses to his home county of Harlan, KY. There, he has to deal with his criminal Dad, his boyhood chum who runs drugs and does other miscreant things, a bunch of KY women (with all of their teeth), and assorted other bad guys in what is arguably the poorest economic county in KY. Decently acted, but if you ever see Olyphant in "real" life, he comes across as a hollyweird puss-boy. So maybe great acting?
As for Breaking Bad, I couldn't watch more than the first 3 episodes. No big deal watching Malcolm's Dad be a bad guy, it just wasn't that good IMHO. I did like the promo I saw where his wife tells him she was worried about him in trouble, and he - very coldly - responded "I am the trouble".
I too have a cable bundle, and I watch History, HD2, and AHC almost exclusively. My bundle comes with HBO, so I do get HBOGo so I can watch some movies on my iPad. And the blu-ray player is smart and I can get to Netflix, Amazon Prime, et al.
But the cable bundle is expensive and mostly a waste. I may try the roku, but AHC in particular is running some decent new shows. If only they would stop running ads for their parent's (Discovery Channel) other shows about midgets, gay farmers, Oprah, Amish gangsters, and naked people running through the jungles and deserts of the world!
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If I remember right Olyphant was the sheriff in "Deadwood" that I didn't like.
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I remember Timothy Olyphant as agent 47 in Hitman. I'm not really familiar with many of his other roles. I don't remember how good he was either.
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If I remember right Olyphant was the sheriff in "Deadwood" that I didn't like.
He played the gutless pussy "Seth Bullock" in that role. Al Swearengen the saloon owner, used to roll over him like a stone.
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You watch Al Swearengen and it's hard to believe he wasn't the bad guy, Powers Booth was .LOL
CAUTION NOT SUITABLE FOR ANYWHERE !!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnpuEEGvEmw
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You watch Al Swearengen and it's hard to believe he wasn't the bad guy, Powers Booth was .LOL
CAUTION NOT SUITABLE FOR ANYWHERE !!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnpuEEGvEmw
Then afterwards they fed the bodies to the pigs!
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Yes, that's where Hearst Chinese guy ended up.
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I just received my latest bill. The bastards jacked it up another $5. Now it's $183.00. I'm ready to pull the plug. It's just that if I go with dish, I'll be looking at the same thing for the same channels, after the "teaser rates" run out. What a PITA!
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I don't know what packages you get, but our DISHTV is quite a bit lower. The sad part is that I am sure we will be feeling the rearending by FOX soon. I find it interesting that many blasted DISH for fighting, but when they caved and agreed to the expansion of charges and increases it has been virtually silent that FOX is back.
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What do you need TV for? Just get high speed internet. Haven't had TV for around 4 years, don't miss it.
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Television technology has changed so much since I last watched, I don't know how to turn one on now. I'm not kidding.
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Tv is SOOO 20th century. ;D