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Member Section => Tactical Rifle & Carbine => Topic started by: Hazcat on September 21, 2008, 09:18:23 AM
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Just so ya know I classify battle rifles as the Grand, Enfield Mauser etc. The newer stuff like the AK, M15, M16 etc. I consider as Assault Rifles.
Before cleaning
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p78/hazcater/Guns/100_1050.jpg)
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p78/hazcater/Guns/100_1049.jpg)
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p78/hazcater/Darrin/Ishapore/100_1079.jpg)
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p78/hazcater/Darrin/Ishapore/100_1080.jpg)
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p78/hazcater/Darrin/Ishapore/100_1081.jpg)
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p78/hazcater/Darrin/Ishapore/100_1082.jpg)
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p78/hazcater/Darrin/Ishapore/100_1083.jpg)
After cleaning, light sanding to the wood and a couple of coats of Thompson's water seal.
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p78/hazcater/Darrin/Ishapore/100_1084.jpg)
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Wow. Nice rifle.
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Wow. Nice rifle.
That's my $170 C&R rifle I told you about. 12 round detachable MAGAZINE.
The Ishapore is acually an Enfield 2A that was rebuilt for 7.62 NATO rounds.
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I like this rifle, and have recommended it to others on this forum. It is the best buy in a .308 rifle.
Every source I have seen states that these were not rebuilds, but rather built from new receivers made from better steel to hold up to the .308 pressures; only the design and production tooling was old school.
I'm always interested in new information, so could you site your source for the rebuild statement?
Happy shooting.
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I like this rifle, and have recommended it to others on this forum. It is the best buy in a .308 rifle.
Every source I have seen states that these were not rebuilds, but rather built from new receivers made from better steel to hold up to the .308 pressures; only the design and production tooling was old school.
I'm always interested in new information, so could you site your source for the rebuild statement?
Happy shooting.
MNSShooter,
No real source. Just my way of saying built on the 2A pattern with original machines at the Ishapore Factory.
Yes, new steel and will shoot either 7.62 NATO or .308 Win.
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I like em too. Nice shooters and accurate. You did a good job on the clean-up. You might also like the 1916 Spainish Mauser in 308. They make nice bolt guns, but they're getting hard to find.
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nice. Man, I GOTTA get my C&R........... ::)
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nice. Man, I GOTTA get my C&R........... ::)
Easy to do
http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting2005/howtogetyourcurionrelicffl03/index.asp
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Request e-mailed! Now we'll see what it is like to do this right in the middle of an election.
These collection builders are hard to come by in our area. Everyone says they are all over, but not in our corner of the state, and with my job it is hard to get to the Cities for the shows up there.
If this works out my banker and wife's divorce attorney may be talking to you ;)
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Request e-mailed! Now we'll see what it is like to do this right in the middle of an election.
These collection builders are hard to come by in our area. Everyone says they are all over, but not in our corner of the state, and with my job it is hard to get to the Cities for the shows up there.
If this works out my banker and wife's divorce attorney may be talking to you ;)
Got lots of links to Online Sellers.
REMEMBER DO NOT SIGN THE ORIGINAL!!!!!!!!!!
You need to make copies, sign them and send them to the companies (SOG, AIM, Etc.) Also always have a blank in your wallet. Many places will give you a 'dealer' discount (Midway USA does as well as Cabellas).
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Haz,
Nice work on the Ishapore!
It looks great. 8)
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Got lots of links to Online Sellers.
REMEMBER DO NOT SIGN THE ORIGINAL!!!!!!!!!!
You need to make copies, sign them and send them to the companies (SOG, AIM, Etc.) Also always have a blank in your wallet. Many places will give you a 'dealer' discount (Midway USA does as well as Cabellas).
Thanks for the tip! I had read not to sign, and figured that out based off needing to send copies of other's FFL when buying, but never thought of the Midway or Cabela's options. Will let you know when Christmas ... ah ... C&R arrives.
Please don't try and hold your breath till then ... Kitty Fur from mouth to mouth is not my thing ;D
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Haz, Very Sweet! Thank you for the pics, the link you put up a couple pages back has the 1891 Argentine Mauser (of which, I'm partial) ;) ;D, and I agree with the title of the post,.,..... True Battle Rifle!
Congrats on the Ishapore!
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That was quite a clean up project. I see you were violating all kinds of child labor laws. Good for you, and it's educational to boot!
Very nice piece. I'll have one one day.
Mac.
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That was quite a clean up project. I see you were violating all kinds of child labor laws. Good for you, and it's educational to boot!
Very nice piece. I'll have one one day.
Mac.
Isn't labor savings (ours) what we have them for? ;D
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Haz, when I was a kid, I bought a .303 Enfield, mail order, from Kleines Sporting Goods in Chicago. 3 Bucks as I recall. I used gasoline to remove the cosmo. Now it would be cheaper to use 4 million Q-tips wielded by six day laborors from south of the border (I use the term border as if we actually had one anymore).
Mac.
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Well Mac,
If ya got a 3 dollar anything today that you had to use gas to clean, cleaning would be the most expensive part, that's for sure!
BTW, still have the Enfield?
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I got my Izzie from Aim Surplus about a year ago, and it is a fine rifle. Warning they are ugly when you gat them but as Haz showed they clean up nice.
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I got my Izzie from Aim Surplus about a year ago, and it is a fine rifle. Warning they are ugly when you gat them but as Haz showed they clean up nice.
Yep! All you need is brushes, rags, green scrub pads, mineral spirits and a 15 year old to do the work! ;D
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I'm lacking a teenager but my friends are always trying to pawn one off on me. Maybe I'll borrow him for awhile if I get a surplus rifle.
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Hazcat,
Don’t want to be too picky but you mentioned an AR15 as an assault rifle . . . hate to split hairs but generally the Shooting Industry defines an assault rifle having full-auto capabilities (there are other criteria but this is the one that is the main tipping point). The Industry prefers the term semi-auto sporting rifle. We have to be careful not to play into the liberal media’ false definitions
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Hazcat,
Don’t want to be too picky but you mentioned an AR15 as an assault rifle . . . hate to split hairs but generally the Shooting Industry defines an assault rifle having full-auto capabilities (there are other criteria but this is the one that is the main tipping point). The Industry prefers the term semi-auto sporting rifle. We have to be careful not to play into the liberal media’ false definitions
I am too picky. ;D The first AR-15s were select-fire assault rifles, but I see your point. I sometimes call the semi-auto versions of assault rifles "militia rifles" and think every American should own at least one. I prefer AR-15s but will likely get an AK-47 type some day. These rifles are definately not Main Battle Rifles in either select fire or semi-auto form.
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Hazcat,
Dont want to be too picky but you mentioned an AR15 as an assault rifle . . . hate to split hairs but generally the Shooting Industry defines an assault rifle having full-auto capabilities (there are other criteria but this is the one that is the main tipping point). The Industry prefers the term semi-auto sporting rifle. We have to be careful not to play into the liberal media false definitions
I too am picky and I did not mention AR15 in my post. It says "AK, M15 (typo should be M14) and M16", no mention of AR15.
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Since we're being picky, the M14 is a battle rifle, not an assault rifle, since it uses a high-power rifle cartridge like the Ishy, not an intermediate sized cartridge like an M16.
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But it's a select fire, that's why I put it with assault fifle.
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Big brown envelope arrived today from ATF. Looked back, and it was the 22nd when I requested, postage meter stamp is 24th, and I picked it up today. It might have been here on Saturday, but I didn't pick the mail up then.
Tonight will be filling out forms, and back to the feds tomorrow. Most of this stuff looks just like what you fill out to buy a gun. Should be a cake walk, but I think I'll double check the instructions anyway (really tough being of the male persuasion).
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M58
go here http://www.familyfriendsfirearms.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-31304.html
scroll to the bottom and read the last post. It explains it real well.
It also has a list of Milsurp / C&R dealers.
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Excellent real world info. Never saw that before. Haz, you Da Man!
Mac.
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Thanks Haz!
Nice site.
>:( Rat-en-fratten Damn Sox ! Why can't they just lay down and die so we can fly to Tampa. Now it looks like we gotta go to Chi Town first (hopefully) >:(
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Thanks Haz!
Nice site.
>:( Rat-en-fratten Damn Sox ! Why can't they just lay down and die so we can fly to Tampa. Now it looks like we gotta go to Chi Town first (hopefully) >:(
:P ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Go Phillies!!! :D
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Haz, nice job and info. been looking for a rifle in a battle round, that has ammo available that wont cost a fortune. Something to consider. ;D
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Here is a history of that rifle if anyone is interested
http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting2006/762ishy/index.asp
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Did you guys see the warning? DO NOT use commercially loaded .308 Winchester ammunition in ANY rifle chambered for 7.62 NATO! I guess it's not a .308 Ishapore.
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BS
In the February issue of the NRA American Rifleman it dispels that myth. .308 in 7.62 is fine.
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Go Phillies!!! :D
Go Phillies!!!
Y'know, Haz...you've got me convinced that I need one of those rifles. I'm just going to have to
wait until I get further down my gotta have list. It's coming though.
All the ones I've seen in photos are pretty ugly though....are they beat up or just stuck in old cosmoline like a mosquito in an amber block?
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Mine is not very beat up at all. It is ugly when you get it from the cosmoline, though. So buy a gallon of mineral sprits ad some rags and brushes. ;D
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BS
In the February issue of the NRA American Rifleman it dispels that myth. .308 in 7.62 is fine.
I always thought they were the same thing and then I saw that warning and wondered if I was wrong about it for 30 years. I don't know why one person says one thing and everything else I've read says the opposite. I'm a few years behind on my reading but I'll have to read that AR article. BTW it's the only gun magazine I get besides the Guns & Ammo annual, and that doesn't have much in it other than the catalog anymore. Very disappointed with that.
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Guess what showed up in the mail yesterday ... ;D
It's still laying on the desk, but copies will be made and the original filed away in the gun room ;D
Wonder what I can get everyone for Christmas ;)
Looked back at the thread, and it was September 22nd when I e-mailed BATF for the forms, the check was written on September 26th, and the license arrived on November 21st. I was afraid it would take much longer.
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Guess what showed up in the mail yesterday ... ;D
It's still laying on the desk, but copies will be made and the original filed away in the gun room ;D
Wonder what I can get everyone for Christmas ;)
Looked back at the thread, and it was September 22nd when I e-mailed BATF for the forms, the check was written on September 26th, and the license arrived on November 21st. I was afraid it would take much longer.
Congrats! Take a look at the Romainian Toks (7.62 x 25)
Mail a copy to this list
AIM Surplus (firearms/ammo seller), P.O. Box 556, Springboro, OH. 45066
Allan's Armory, P.O. Box 331, Graham, FL 32042
Aztec International, PO Box 771569, Ocala, FL 34477-1569, (352) 629-6290
Brownells Inc (gun parts etc.), 200 South Front Street, Montezuma, IA 50171
Centerfire Systems, 102 Fieldview Dr, Versailles, KY 40383
Century Arms (firearms/ammo), 1161 Holland Dr., Boca Raton, FL 33487
Cole Distributing (firearms/ammo seller), P.O. Box 247, Scottsville, KY 42164
Empire Arms, P.O. Box 2068, Ormond Beach, FL 32175
FAC of America, 8035 Ranchers Road, Fridley, MN 55432, Phone: 1.800.486.5971
Graf and Sons, Inc (ammo, reloading, supplies etc.), 4050 S. Clark, Mexico, MO 65265
Huntingtons (ammo, reloading), P.O. Box 991, Oroville, CA 95965
J&G Sales (firearms, ammo, accessories), 440 Miller Valley Rd, Prescott AZ 86301
InterOrdnance, 3305 Westwood Industrial Dr., Monroe, NC 28110
L.C. Enterprises (firearms, ammo seller), S. 1093 Country Road G, Wonewoc, WI 53968
Numrich Gun Parts (gunparts Offers DISCOUNT), 226 Williams Lane, W. Hurley, NY 12491
SARCO Inc. (firearms/ammo, gunparts, accessories), P.O. Box 98, 323 Union Street, Stirling, NJ 07980
Southern Ohio Guns (SOG) (firearms/ammo), 240 Harmon Ave P.O. Box 590, Lebanon, OH 45036
Wholesale Guns (firearms/ammo), P.O. Box 289, Calverton, NY 11933
Midway USA (parts, ammo, reloading, books etc.), Dealer Sales, 5875 W. Van Horn Tavern Rd., Columbia, MO 65203
Samco (firearms/ammo), 6995 NW 43rd St, Miami, FL 33166
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Thanks Haz!
That will give me something to do during the game tomorrow night.
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Good looking rifle Hazcat. My wife bought me a 1917 S.M.L.E in .303 Brit for my B-day last year. It's the same rifle that I'm shooting in my picture id thingy. I'll have to post some better close ups when I get home from work and school tonight
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So,
how does the Ishhy shoot? I bought one a few months ago, and plan on steaming the cosmoline out. I already cleaned the bolt with Simple Green, and it's real smooth now.
Any idea where I can find extra magazines? Although, I read you're not supposed to remove it like you do with most magazine guns.
Overload in CO
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Try www.sarcoinc.com
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The Enfield Rifle was designed with a detachable 10rnd magazine, but the INTENDED method of reload is with stripper clips, loading the magazine from an open chamber. Non of which I have :'( But they can be found on ebay, and some surplus sites will have 'em in once and a while.
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If you find surplus .303 British ammo it may come on CLIPS ;D
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30-06 Springfield CLIPS will work with 308 in the Ishy. You can also get them with with M14 ammo repacks. Check out http://www.fredsm14stocks.com/Default.asp
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The Stock isn't in the best of shape, but not bad for 90yrs of use and abuse
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Any NATO 7.62 stripper clips will work with the Ishapore. I have both 10 rounders and 5 round clips, and they both work fine.
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Any NATO 7.62 stripper clips will work with the Ishapore. I have both 10 rounders and 5 round clips, and they both work fine.
Ironhawks is NOT an Ishy, It's the BRITISH Enfield, probably .303 since it's a 1917 . .308 strippers will not work with the cartridges.
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The SMLE was my first real rifle other than my 10/22, I got for my 12th birthday. My dad broke down and bought me one at a military show for $85 when I was 13. I still have that old rifle but don't shoot it as much as I should. It is a 1917 Indian MIII in .303 British. It and my Krag are my favorite surplus rifles.
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I took my Ishapore out shooting this week. This is the first time I've shot a non semi-auto rifle in over 10 years. It shoots much milder than I expected. It was too windy to get any accuracy results. I bought a peep rear replacement sight, and it seems to work well, but I'm not sure if it changes point of aim. The bolt was a little sticky, especially when I tried to work it without getting out of my shooting stance. Part of this is me being a lefty and having to reach over the gun to work the bolt. I lubed it more when i got home, which seemed to help, but getting the bolt all the way forward is still a bit hard as I seem to be working against the cocked hammer spring to get it to close.
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Overload, The first few times I cycled the bolt on my SMLE, I had to get used to that tension of cocking the firing pin while still trying to lock and load the next round. I stripped the bolt off and de-greased, cleaned and lubed the bolt and rails it slides on. Worked it a whole bunch and it eventually smoothed out. If you want to cycle the bolt to work in lube or whatever, without having to cock the firing pin, hold the down the trigger, and the cocking mechanism will not engage, so you are free to operate the bolt without cocking the rifle.