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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: RTFM on February 15, 2017, 08:20:19 PM
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So honestly - I never thought positively about them - even as an advertiser to MB's shows - I search here and see an old thread from 2009
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=5749.msg68654#msg68654
And his pistol exhibited the known issue which has since been fixed - beside I would not buy the "1" with a safety but the newer "2" w/o safety 9mm
I've preformed my due diligence by using Googlefoo to search reviews and videos - and I come away thinking I may have a wrongly preconceived notion that they were crap.
I do not intend to every purposely carry one as a primary self defense gun, but maybe owning one 'just cuz I can" now has me interested.
The trigger description sounds a lot like my Kahr's - loooong purposeful double action "revolver esque" with just as looooong reset - but I like that feature of the Kahr's and am already familiar with it...
Anyone have some recent hands on input?
(edit because I spell like an aardvark)
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I would like to know as well. I have been looking at them, thinking I need to try one just to see.
I know it is not exactly the same, however I have had a Kel-Tec P11 for close to 15 years (or more). Reliable yes. Hard to shoot with that trigger, and recoil is rough. Recoil expected in such a small, light, pistol. I also understand the hard to use trigger.
Having said that, I have heard that the SCCY is much nicer to shoot (recoil) with the grip being larger. What I can't figure out is if the trigger is any better than my Kel-Tec. Heavy ok, just something smoother, I hope.
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I read and see (video reviews) that they really do like to be broken in 200+ more and some report they are sensitive to Armscore as they have hard primers, and also function/cycle "better" with hot loads.
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I actually ordered one of these last week new off the Gun Broker, $220 including shipping, bought a P320 with that sweet stock bonus money and figured why not? Haven't shot it yet but it feels good in the hand. The trigger's not too bad a DAO, its a long pull, but I've practiced my DA pull on my P220 a lot, its no big deal. It's got a really long grip, got to reach a half mile out there to get the trigger. Was not impressed with the finish. The slide was full of metal shavings, scratching and wearing the finish on the aluminum pretty good. All in all, I'll either like it and make a holster for it, for those late night pregnant wife chicken nugget runs, or give it way to a brother so they can have a house gun.
Jury's still out, I'll update.
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Like others here I also am curious of their performance. I know Michael would not advertise "junk" and for that reason alone I would like to try one. Maybe as a backup. With the price it makes using a New York reload much easier.
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OK... not to be a wise ass... I dine out for every meal, leaving a minimum $2 tip....for an additional cost of a month's worth of tips you can pick up a Ruger LCP II with relative good sights, pretty good trigger (not comfortable under recoil) from a reputable and well established company... YMMV
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OK... not to be a wise ass... I dine out for every meal, leaving a minimum $2 tip....for an additional cost of a month's worth of tips you can pick up a Ruger LCP II with relative good sights, pretty good trigger (not comfortable under recoil) from a reputable and well established company... YMMV
I guess for me it is the internal, eternal cheapskate in me. Plus because they are available in colors my wife is a little less opposed to the purchase as for her firearms also have to be fashion statement from time to time. Just like stockings. You may never see them but in her case you can bet the colors will match whatever she is wearing. :o
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Black for formal occasions, stainless with silver jewelry etc ? LOL
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Black for formal occasions, stainless with silver jewelry etc ? LOL
;D ;D ;D
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OK... not to be a wise ass... I dine out for every meal, leaving a minimum $2 tip....for an additional cost of a month's worth of tips you can pick up a Ruger LCP II with relative good sights, pretty good trigger (not comfortable under recoil) from a reputable and well established company... YMMV
But then you only have a 6+1 round .380 instead of a 10+1 round 9mm. It's like comparing apples and oranges.
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OK... not to be a wise ass... I dine out for every meal, leaving a minimum $2 tip....for an additional cost of a month's worth of tips you can pick up a Ruger LCP II with relative good sights, pretty good trigger (not comfortable under recoil) from a reputable and well established company... YMMV
I've already got a Glock 42 and P220, now replace with the P320, for carry but I figured for $200 I could see what's what with this pistol. A main drive with this for me as well is that I'm pushing a few brothers to get their LTC, and a pistol $100-$150 cheaper is a lot more money to them than it is to me, say for like a Ruger SR or American.
I figure if its good and does as well as anything else then I'd rather have that 11 rounds of 9mm. But you're right, you can get an LCP for what, like $209 right now? But also I'm thinking compact gun or pocket gun? Least expensive compact gun I've seen.
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Glad to see I'm not the only curious person out there - I was able to paw the model with the safety and did not like the lever it ground in to the top of my thumb - it was surprisingly round in the grip which I liked.
I'll be keeping an eye out for one with out a safety - I have a feeling sooner or later I'll be getting an orange/black to play with.... just cuz'
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I'm going to try to look at one this weekend. Hopefully.........
Richard
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Still looking at them but not as closely -
1. A SCCY was not rated to shoot +P ammo - while the older manual ~2015 stated TO NEVER fire +p - the 2017 users manual says:
WARNING
+P CARTRIDGES SHOULD ONLY BE USED ON A LIMITED BASIS
IN THE MODEL CPX.
This type of ammunition creates much higher chamber pressures than standard
ammunition. Never fire more than 50 rounds of +P ammunition per session
http://www.sccy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/SCCY-Manual-8-2016_150web.pdf
(page 16)
2. This may assist with your decision on carrying the SCCY for CCW purpose.
Take a single round of ammo and the SCCY but leave the magazine in the range bag. Try to chamber/put slide in to battery you will not be able to fire it.
A SCCY needs to feed the cartridge from a magazine and there is no way around this SCCY characteristic. The shape of the extractor will not cam over the rim of a 9mm cartridge that is chambered. The only way for a extractor to grip the shell is to strip it from a magazine. So if a SCCY fails to extract a fired shell you will have to
a) Inset something down the barrel to dislodge the shell or
b) Use a fingernail, knife etc. to pry out the shell from the chamber with the slide locked back.
I carry a KAHR CW45 right now, if it has a FTE malfunction, I can tap, rack, assess remedial action because the extractor is designed to cam over the edge of the shell.
I spoke with Jason at SCCY and he said that is exactly how the CPX extractor is designed to operate.
I am less interested in this as a CCW carry gun now than I was before.
I will most likely still purchase one but will not carry it as they intend it to be carried.