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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: alfsauve on October 28, 2016, 08:18:07 PM
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You've heard it today. Comer reopened the email investigation based on emails found on Weiner's computer. How bizarre. James Comer either has a death wish or this is all part of some well stage theatrical play for HRC.
Kevin posted the best meme of all today on FB. (This isn't the exact picture he posted, but it was the same quote.)
(https://i.imgflip.com/174jf9.jpg)
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Either they really have something that causes them to go public, or HRC is getting ready to play this all out as the 2016 version of birther.
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Either they really have something that causes them to go public, or HRC is getting ready to play this all out as the 2016 version of birther.
My thoughts exactly, barring that Jame Comer just doesn't have a death wish. It this is stage theatre then it's being well played. Especially the, noWiFi on the plane we didn't know until we landed shtick.
Some predict there will be a distraction to take the news cycle off of this. Maybe a mass shooting, a terrorist attack, a celebrity dies a mysterious death or a white cop shots a black perp. If I were Miguel Almaguer I'd have my bags packed.
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Smoke screen. They know everyone is watching for voter fraud and no one believes the poll numbers. So they can now say she lost because of dirty tactics and she will make another run in four years. Obama will give her and her subordinates all pardons and shut down the FBI's investigation before he leaves. Or he will suspend the election until he deems appropriate in the future.
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I don't think BHO can pardon her until she's actually found guilty. Trump can always restart the investigation next year.
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Wasted a little time on the book of faces while sitting at a plant this afternoon, and I read, from a very reliable source, that James Comey died in a car accident tomorrow.
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I don't think BHO can pardon her until she's actually found guilty. Trump can always restart the investigation next year.
he can.
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Wasted a little time on the book of faces while sitting at a plant this afternoon, and I read, from a very reliable source, that James Comey died in a car accident tomorrow.
Hmm? My sources were saying it was an elevator accident the day after. What gives? :o
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I heard he died in a natural gas house explosion. You have to make sure you get any evidence he has at home ;D
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My sources changed. A herd of wild cows badly in need of Immodium stampeded into his house and trampled him.
Dave, I'm thinking either your or my source is probably spot on because they are similar in nature.
Cow farts are deadly....just ask the Clintons and other's associated with the carbon credits that will make billions on them.
I can see where the cows could have caused that natural gas explosion.... :o
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Just found this:
https://www.facebook.com/EmilyMillerDC/posts/1258816714177235?comment_id=1261148593944047&ref=notif¬if_t=feed_comment_reply¬if_id=1477871101128013
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What you're starting to see here, is the beginning of the end for both Clinton and Obama. Much as a Mafia chieftain like John Gotti, both have been really good at getting away with illegal acts for a long time. The problem is that only lasts for so long. Brains, power, and muscle will only get you so far, and luck always runs out.
Gotti got away with a whole truckload. That gave him a feeling of arrogance and infallibility. He thought he could do anything he wanted and get away with it. In the process he got careless, and was finally put down for good. Like Clinton, he left a wake of evidence behind, in his path of illegality. The exact same thing is going to happen to both Clinton and Obama. They both have been getting away with murder for years. And both have enriched themselves beyond their wildest dreams in the process. (Remember, the Presidency only pays $400K a year, and a Senate seat just $174K). Like Gotti, they both have copped arrogant attitudes because of all they've gotten away with. Again like Gotti, they both got sloppy as a result. And left far too much evidence behind. And implicated far too many people in the process.
Now, the entire house of cards is starting to tumble. Bad things can pile up for just so long. And it appears the tipping point has been reached for Clinton. Every day more and more damning evidence of wrong doing is piled on top of what already exists. When, (not if), she goes down, she'll give up Obama faster than Sammy Gravano gave up John Gotti. In another 4 years, perhaps less, Obama's "legacy" is going to make Richard Nixon look like a Boy Scout. And Clinton could very well be looking at jail time. And with Trump in the Oval Office, she'll have a better chance of winning the Powerball 5 times in a row, than getting a Presidential pardon.
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Another thing you have to remember, is now this Huma Abedin is in very serious trouble on her own. It's all but certain the FBI has found Top Secret information on her unsecure computer. That her pervert husband, (who has no security clearance), was in possession of, and was using.
She will give up Clinton to save her own ass like greased lightning. There are also many others in the State Department who knew damn well what was going on, who will be more than willing to do much the same. Clinton's cronies, along with Loretta Lynch, are going to start flipping left and right once their feet are put to the fire. And Comey himself is out to not only save his own skin in this whole mess, but also reestablish at least some credability with his men. All of which were appalled by his decision not to prosecute. As far as Comey is concerned, at this point it's far better to be part of the prosecution, than part of the defense, when this whole thing goes down. There isn't enough perfume on planet Earth to cover up this much $h!t.
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Can you draw a comparison between Clinton and Jimmy Hoffa rather than John Gotti?
It has a more satisfying savor to me....
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As I listen to and read a lot of news, the gears in my mind turn and grind. The DFL claims that the GOP, and even the Trump version of the GOP, are all about big business, finance, and Wall Street. They claim that Trump is more status quo collusion within business and finance - The so called good old boys club. However, from the day it was announced that HRC was back in the headlights of the FBI, Wall Street has had problems.
I heard yesterday that the biggest hurdle for Wall Street is that the fear of a HRC loss, due to the FBI issues, threatens the status quo. I thought that HRC was supposed to break the status quo, and a DJT victory was status quo+ for the good old boys??? Sounds to me like our free market system is sending a message of a shake up, as promised in the campaign, if DJT gets in.
I wonder how Sanders sees this.
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M58 HRC has been a Washington insider for 30 years, How the hell could she be anything BUT status quo ?
What you don't seem to get is that liberals are 100% projectionists.
Want to know what the dems are doing ?
Look at what they're accusing you of, if they are calling you a racist it means THEY are doing something that fucks the black community.
Remember, the original KenStarr thing didn't start with Bill and the women, that was just a by product of the investigation into HER crooked dealings in the Whitewater deal.
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Take a breath Tom! I get it. I'm pointing out the stupidity of the media and uneducated voters.
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Problem is that this has been going on since before a lot of the voters were born.
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wall street is afraid of trump. they know he knows how their games are played and if he needs a big card to play he will play that.
he also supports a 15% min corp tax, which is several times higher then what they currently pay( yet the dems say he is trying to cut taxes, they have no clue how it works in the real world)
my only hope is that they find something there that pisses obummer off enough to not pardon her( you know like him knowing about this the entire time and him getting his cut for pay to play)
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he also supports a 15% min corp tax, which is several times higher then what they currently pay....
Tab, the current corporate tax rate is 39.1%, the highest in the world. Trump wants to LOWER IT to 15%. Not raise it.
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=what+is+the+current+corporation+tax+rate
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Trust me, corporations don't pay that. He wants too make in min 15%.
My 4 corperations have jever paid more then the min $800 to stay incorporated. At the end of the year they always broke even. The bonus I get is also capital gains not salary. So it gets the personal gains rate not my 35%.
Like it or not, thats how it works.
I get paid a flat salary, then get performance bonuses every month. Its how pretty much every one does it, its perfectly legal, trust me most corperations pay less then 5%.
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Its how pretty much every one does it, its perfectly legal, trust me most corperations pay less then 5%.
Tab, if most corporations actually paid less than 5%, there would be no reason for the bulk of them to have what is conservatively estimated to be over $2.1 Trillion Dollars parked in offshore accounts.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-tax-offshore-idUSKCN0S008U20151006
"The 500 largest American companies hold more than $2.1 trillion in accumulated profits offshore to avoid U.S. taxes and would collectively owe an estimated $620 billion in U.S. taxes if they repatriated the funds, according to a study released on Tuesday."
This is why Trump wants to lower the corporate tax rate. If he is elected, and is successful in doing that, that money will bust loose inside this country. Which will all but certainly lead to more hiring and revamping of a lot of corporate infrastructure through reinvestment.
Right now most corporations are content to simply park that cash in interest bearing offshore accounts out of the country. And just wait it out, hoping that things will change. And they won't have to take a 39.1% hit later. If Trump gets in that will happen. If Hillary does, it won't. And you'll have 4 more years of what you got under Obama. Higher taxes across the board. You have to remember, Democrats never saw a tax they didn't like. Especially regarding large, profitable corporations. The Dems love to tax them to death. Just based on the fact of how successful they make Capitalism look.
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my only hope is that they find something there that pisses obummer off enough to not pardon her( you know like him knowing about this the entire time and him getting his cut for pay to play)
The only way he can pardon her is if she is convicted between now and his exit. Ain't going to happen!
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The biggest thing about taxation that the HRC and Bernie fans have missed in all their "evil, don't pay no taxes, imports all his products" Trump bashing is that he understands the system that makes that profitable, and he has proposed how to close it. As a businessman he understands that an even playing field is the only way to go, and that is what he is pushing for.
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The biggest thing about taxation that the HRC and Bernie fans have missed in all their "evil, don't pay no taxes, imports all his products" Trump bashing is that he understands the system that makes that profitable, and he has proposed how to close it. As a businessman he understands that an even playing field is the only way to go, and that is what he is pushing for.
This is why the entire Bush family hates Trump so much, they are all willing to vote for Clinton just to spite him. As illogical as that may sound to most people, it PROVES they, (the Bush's), don't want to see torn down the temple of government corporate corruption that family has busted their collective asses in 2 generations of politics trying to build. If anyone actually thinks they're pissed off at him because he called Jeb's wife "A little Mexican", they're doing themselves a great disservice.
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I'm with Tab on the corporate tax thing. They have so many shill companies under the main corporate banner. A little company I used to work for would buy a small company as a wholly owned subsidiary. Then transfer their assets to it and then back to another wholly owned subsidiary, again, again, again which is a tax avoidance scheme totally legal.
Corporate tax is not like personal tax rules. Back in '86 the offshore properties I worked were owned by Kewannee Oil Company which was a wholly owned subsidiary of Gulf Oil which was owned by Chevron. Kewannee hadn't been around for decades. However, they did have a board and corporate officers which signed documents. As it goes for most companies the people on one company's board is the same on the subsidiary's board as it is for the corporate officers. And, they usually pick up a few bucks working for each of those companies. So, they may not make a zillion dollars a year at the main corporation, but they dollars at each corporation add up and you never see those payments...ever.
No, corporations pay very little tax. They generally have hired a dud MBA if they did pay taxes or it's a Mom & Pop that thinks like personal taxation.
And actually, as we all here know, the taxes the corporations pay are actually transmitted directly to the people who buy their products and services.
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No, corporations pay very little tax.
Then explain why they've parked the $2.1 trillion? Because they like not being able to reinvest their profits as they see fit. And instead would rather make small, short term fixed interest?
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The only way he can pardon her is if she is convicted between now and his exit. Ain't going to happen!
nope, he can pardon her for crimes commited from x date to why date. Remember nixion?
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Then explain why they've parked the $2.1 trillion? Because they like not being able to reinvest their profits as they see fit. And instead would rather make small, short term fixed interest?
To keep from paying taxes on it. Those are profits they left with foreign subsidiaries. Why pay tax on it and then send pennies back later to increase infrastructure, product lines, etc? Just park it and spend it overseas $ by $ isntead of $ by pennies, i.e., they have the full amount to use not what's leftover after taxes. They bring back as much as they can without taxation. When they have problem, some writedown, etc., then they'll bring back larger amunts as well as in bits and pieces to cover downturns, etc. or when they have tax credits that need to be covered because of a lack of profits on this side of the pond.
That money is not sitting out there in a piggy bank waiting for interest to come in...it's invested or drawing interest right now in whatever accounts they have it parked in....it is being managed to maximize income to the deposit in whatever form it is deposited in.
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To keep from paying taxes on it. Those are profits they left with foreign subsidiaries. Why pay tax on it and then send pennies back later to increase infrastructure, product lines, etc? Just park it and spend it overseas $ by $ isntead of $ by pennies, i.e., they have the full amount to use not what's leftover after taxes.
Exactly. If they could bring the money into this country at 15%, instead of the current 39.1%, they would. They would be stupid not to. It's how these corporations become so successful. By investing in themselves. A company that is not expanding is dying. A company is no different than a car or a gun. It requires constant maintenance to remain healthy and operating. Right now these companies are keeping that money out of this country, because it's too expensive to bring it back in.
Once the corporate tax rate is more competitive they will. Then watch the market open up. High taxes suppress business. Low taxes make it thrive. This has been proven over and over. Regan was the last to prove it. Look at jobs under the high taxes of the Carter administration. Then look at them after 6 years under Regan. The same holds true today. Obama has been strangling big business with regulations and high taxes. It's why they're all leaving.
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What people misconstrue is that corporations get tax breaks that John Q. Citizen does not get. People think that equates to "getting away without paying taxes". It doesn't. Say for example, General Electric decides to buy a new Gulfstream 650 to fly it's executives around to it's worldwide subsidiaries. They can deduct the depreciation of the cost of that plane over a period of 5 to 7 years. As opposed to John Q. Citizen winning the Powerball, and buying one to play around in.
That's not the same as, "not paying taxes". Just as I'm sure TAB gets deductions for running his own business that I don't get because I'm retired, sitting on my ass producing nothing. That's the way it should be. This is the problem with the liberal Democrats, along with all of their, "pay their fair share" bantering. If you took ALL of the money from the top 1%. It still would not scratch the surface to make up for all of their wild, out of control entitlement programs, that are bankrupting this country.
They keep saying it's because, "millionaires and corporations don't pay any taxes". That's total bull$h!t. It's just they've been saying it for so long, these dumb asses are actually believing them. It's a proven fact the top 1% of the earners in this country pay over half of the nations Federal income tax. That would not be possible if corporations along with them, "paid no taxes".
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/04/13/top-1-pay-nearly-half-of-federal-income-taxes.html
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Who wrote the tax laws ?
It wasn't the corporations tat are using them to their advantage, it was the politicians who are using them and then bitching about anybody else using them
The Grey whore (NYT) ran a story about Trump using one of those laws to not pay a large sum intaxes.
The very next day it was reported that both Hillary and the NYT had used the same clause to aviod paying taxes.
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Show me anyone who has been farming or development for more than a decade that has not had the opportunity to use income averaging, and I will show you a person with a bad accountant.
Anyone who deals with uncertainties like the markets, weather, changing regulatory situations, etc. is going to be exposed to large peaks and deep valleys. Without income averaging these business people would be forced out of business by either of the extremes.
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All of this is why we need to do away with, and we never will, income tax.
It is a powerful tool and weapon, used by the political machine to control every facet of our lives.
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All of this is why we need to do away with, and we never will, income tax.
It is a powerful tool and weapon, used by the political machine to control every facet of our lives.
The biggest problem with any form of taxation is not so much how it's collected, but rather how it is wasted. With all of the various state and Federal revenue this nation collects on a yearly basis, we should have such a financially fat and secure country, that nothing should or would ever be in the need of repair, or lack any maintenance. There should be financial surpluses existing everywhere. By this time we should have so much money invested, that the nation should easily be self supporting. That is obviously not the case. Instead we are not only broke, but in insurmountable debt. When stupid idiot, dishonest politicians are placed in charge of money, it simply disappears with little to no benefit to those who paid it in.
We are to blame because we do not hold them accountable. The money continually goes to people it shouldn't go to. We allow stupid citizens who are broke, to vote and control something they have no clue how to control. They want people like Clinton, instead of proven money managers like Trump. The end result of these morons voting, is taxation in this country has become much like everything else. A war between the haves and the have not's. There are far more have not's, so they are winning. Again, Clinton is your best example of that.
The tax system, along with it's laws are bad, only in that it rewards insecure spenders, and punishes self reliant savers. People like Clinton become vastly wealthy from doing nothing but public service, and instead of the citizens being outraged, we allow her to run for President. She has basically been given the green light to rob and steal much like her and her husband have been doing for the last 30 years. Only now it will be at the highest level. The sad part is she will most likely win. Again, you can blame no one except the people who will put her in that position..... We the people.
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We have to have taxation.
Sucks to hear it, but there are things like the post office, military, heat for the wite house and capital building that must be paid for whether you like it or not.
Should not be directly evied directly by te the feds though.
They have other sources of revenue through import duties and tariffss. Anything over and above that should be paid by the states who already tax their residents.
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Tom,Post office is self supporting,No tax monies are paid into it.
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Tom,Post office is self supporting,No tax monies are paid into it.
We've bailed the USPS out to the tune of about 10 billion dollars in the past few cycles.. They're SUPPOSED to be self sufficient but it's run by a bunch of government shills and union baboons.
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Timothy beat me to it, I was going to ask since when ??
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Hell, forget the Post Office. Social Security would have been self funding, and even be well in the black if the dumb bastards hadn't robbed it blind, turning into a welfare program. And a loan department for every other government program that needed a financial face lift. Now at bare minimum it's going to take at least $1 TRILLION to fix it. More idiots in charge.
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The trillion dollar fix is just a matter of treating it like the national debt it is. It was robbed to pay bills, now pay back the loan.
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When the government tries to "fix" something that is ailing financially, they just rob the money from somewhere else to do it. They have to, they don't produce a damn thing.
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its like I ask people I know, name one thing the gov has fixed that they did not cuase the prob.
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Well Tom, tonight's the night. I'll say it one more time. I pray you're right and I'm wrong.
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Me too.
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Me too.
Yep.