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Title: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: Michael Bane on February 18, 2007, 01:16:30 PM
Oh, and its a hollow feelin' when
It comes down to dealin' friends
It never ends
— The Eagles
"Tequila Sunrise"

So a couple of days after Carolyn McCarthy introduces the first of what we all fear will be many new Assault Weapons Bans (AWB) in the House of Representatives, one of our own sells us out.

This from Outdoor Life columnist and Outdoor Channel personality Jim Zumbo's HUNTING WITH JIM ZUMBO blog, dating 16 February 2007. I'm going to print his entire post for you to read:

http://outdoorlife.blogs.com/zumbo/2007/02/assault_rifles_.html (http://outdoorlife.blogs.com/zumbo/2007/02/assault_rifles_.html)

   
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Assault Rifles For Hunters?

    As I write this, I'm hunting coyotes in southeastern Wyoming with Eddie Stevenson, PR Manager for Remington Arms, Greg Dennison, who is senior research engineer for Remington, and several writers. We're testing Remington's brand new .17 cal Spitfire bullet on coyotes.

    I must be living in a vacuum. The guides on our hunt tell me that the use of AR and AK rifles have a rapidly growing following among hunters, especially prairie dog hunters. I had no clue. Only once in my life have I ever seen anyone using one of these firearms.

    I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles. They tell me that some companies are producing assault rifles that are "tackdrivers."

    Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern. I've always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don't use assault rifles. We've always been proud of our "sporting firearms."

    This really has me concerned. As hunters, we don't need the image of walking around the woods carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the praries and woods.

Certainly Jim — a man who, up until this column, I considered my friend and colleague — is entitled to both have and speak his own opinion...that is the nature of the First Amendment. At least Jim seems to approve of that one!

But the fact is that Jim is arguably the most influential hunting writer in the world, and his column, coming on the heels of the introduction of a new AWB — however unlikely this one is to become law — throws down a gauntlet to state agencies and to hunters in general...join Jim in stepping across the line to side with the McCarthys, the Bradys, the Schumers, or stay with the defenders of the Second Amendment and the right to keep and bear arms.

By calling for the ban of "black rifles" in the hunting fields, where they are gaining huge popularity, my former friend and colleague has changed sides. He does so out of far-too-proud ignorance — "I must be living in a vacuum" — and a breathtaking arrogance — "As hunters, we don't need the image of walking around the woods carrying one of these weapons."

What image would you like to project, Jim? That of an out-of-touch, former sportsman wondering aloud why guns don't look like they used to...even though they use the same mechanisms? And how are you going to feel, Jim, when your words are read into the Congressional Record or used by Brady or the Violence Policy Center to continue to destroy our right to keep and bear arms? Is that what you want your "legacy" to be...Jim Zumbo — He Killed a Lot of Animals While Helping to Get Guns Banned!

You threw down your gauntlet, Jim, now let me throw down mine:

Apologize. Now, not later.

Or reap the whirlwind, brother!
Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: scott220 on February 18, 2007, 02:17:21 PM
Well said Michael.  I have always enjoyed watching Mr. Zumbo's show on the Outdoor Channel, and have read several of his books.  I am now letting my subscription to both Outdoor Life and Field and Stream expire, and will never again purchase them.  His actions are the worst kind.  When a highly respected long-time shooter/hunter makes these kind of remarks in an international forum, it does damage.  I hope he heeds your advice and apologizes, but I fear it may be too late for his career. 
Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: Michael Bane on February 18, 2007, 02:26:36 PM
As a friend of mine just emailed me, Zumbo's comments have become, "The perfect Internet storm..."

As you may know, I've blogged the "hunter/shooter" schism many many times, being careful not to read on the feet of the hunting community. The bottom line is that hunting is shrinking and shooting (the shooting sports, black rifles, self-defense, training) is hugely growing. The tail is wagging the dog, and Zumbo's comments show that it's past time for us to do a little muscle-flexing!

Michael B
Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: waterburybob on February 18, 2007, 02:41:25 PM
I don't know that an apology is going to do it.  Mr. Zumbo sold-out  a whole bunch of gunowners with those statements. If this elitist attitude is what he really feels, then he deserves whatever comes from this. 

From what I've read over on Sig Forum, it appears that Michael Haugen, the manager of the Military Products Division at Remington has been made aware of this and found it important enough to go into the office on a Sunday and respond to the scores of e-mails that Remington is receiving about their connection to Zumbo.

Zumbo's comments are just what the anti's will love to use to support the new AWB that has been proposed. In my opinion, he should be released by Outdoor Life and Shooting Illustrated (an NRA publication) immediately, and shunned by all other businesses in the shooting sports.

As the saying goes, he made his bed . . .
Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: BGregory on February 18, 2007, 02:49:43 PM
I’m sorry to say that I did not find Mr. Zumbo’s remarks surprising.  I have found that in my region many hunters look at firearm bans and feel that since the firearms proposed to be ban are not what they own that it is of no concern to them.

I have always had a problem with the word "Assault".  An assault rifle or carbine is one that is capable of “selective fire”, i.e. capable of semi-automatic and/or automatic or burst modes.  Mr. Zumbo’s use of the label,  “terrorist rifles”, ups the ante and precludes any rational discussion of the subject with him, IMHO.

As a historical note, the British considered the long rifle to be “un-sporting” due to its ability to deliver accurate fire at long range.  By today’s standards, as defined by Mr. Zumbo, would he consider that to be a "terrorist rifle"?
Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: waterburybob on February 18, 2007, 04:25:49 PM
Well, now the  damage is complete. 

The Brady Campaign has picked up Dumbo's comments and are running with them. They're blocking all postings of his apology/retraction, by the way.

This is why no apology he can make is acceptable. He has single-handedly set back the fight for 2nd Amendment rights.

I hope all his sponsors/employers drop him immediately.
Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: Michael Bane on February 18, 2007, 04:43:41 PM
Zumbo caves quick...

...now that the damage is done and our enemies have one more stick to beat us with! This from Jim Zumbo's blog a few minutes ago:

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Believe it or not, I'm your best friend if you're a hunter or shooter, though it might not seem that way. I simply screwed up. And, to show that I'm sincere about this, I just talked to Ted Nugent, who everyone knows, and is a Board member of the NRA. Ted is extremely active with charities concerning our wounded military, and though he's known as a bowhunter, Ted has no problem with AR 15's and similar firearms. My sincerity stems from the fact that Ted and I are planning a hunt using AR 15's. I intend to learn all I can about them, and again, I'm sorry for inserting my foot in my mouth.
Let this serve notice...you attack black rifles, you attack .50 BMGs, you attack "Saturday Night Specials"...an attack on one is an attack on all. It doesn't matter where that attack comes from!

It's time to choose sides, boys and girls.

Jim, I accept your apology...and you got a DAMN LONG WAY TO GO before you get anyone in this culture's trust back!
Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: fiftycal on February 18, 2007, 06:22:16 PM
Well, I don't "accept" his apology.  What he wrote sounded like what he meant.  And what he meant is that he is an elitest who's "doesn't see the need" for anything HE doesn't agree with.  Well, maybe the Nuge will rock his world.  Maybe his alzheimer's is too advanced.  Whatever.  He needs to learn that hsi SPONSORS will pay the price for his anti-gun screed.  And once his SPONSORS remove the MONEY, maybe he will look a little closer at what gun ownership is all about.
Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: canon6 on February 18, 2007, 07:08:11 PM
As I See it ZUMBO is entitled to his opinion but not to allow it to overshadow good sense and I think a lame apology,aimed at keeping his job,is an insult   Doug
Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: jjtnova on February 18, 2007, 07:17:22 PM
Sorry to seem a little harsh but the "I was tired" excuse doesn't cut it in the real world.  I don't own an AR or AK but like the fact that I can if I want to, Jim's a big help to the Brady's now and little to us.
Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: fatdog on February 18, 2007, 07:37:01 PM
How lame this guy is.  I am so glad the NRA is no longer dominated by this Elmer Fudd wing of the shooting community.  I am not accepting this half ass apology.  I got this particular magazine sent to me on a 1 year subscription because I bought a bunch of ammo and the like from one of the online retailers.  They will get a call in the morning to let them know I don't want another issue darkening my mailbox.

Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: BGregory on February 18, 2007, 09:09:20 PM
Mr. Zumbo's second post in response to the criticism he's been receiving has me wondering even more about what this guy actually believes.

I didn't see any retraction of his use of the word "terrorist".

An apology from Mr. Zumbo?  Nope, not by my book.

An attempt at damage control?  Bingo!

As has been said before, "you wrote it, you own it".

I believe that Mr. Zumbo was sincere in his first post and does not feel that the AR platform is appropriate for hunting.  If he had the huevos to stand by his first posting, I'd have less of a problem with him.  His second post is just more fodder, which already is being spun, to the advantage of the anti-firearms crowd.
Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: scott220 on February 18, 2007, 09:11:10 PM
I think the apology is probably more or less a CYA strategy.  That being said, I have to take exception with all who keep referring to hunters as "Fudds".  I am a hunter, as well as a black rifle owner.  I own many, many hi-cap magazines for all of my weapons.  I own expensive over and under shotguns, as well as some older collectible military rifles.  Am I a Fudd?  Am I a Fudd with superior firepower?  I only raise this issue to point out that all the childish name calling only makes us look more like fools and serves to further divide us as gun owners.  We either band together, or we will swing seperately at the end of our own rope.  I don't agree with what Jim Zumbo said, but I won't throw names and insults either.  A simple professional statement with out names or profanity is what is needed.  Take the high road always.
Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: fatdog on February 18, 2007, 09:25:48 PM
The term Fudd in the current venacular refers to those gun owners who think that the only legitimate purpose for a firearm is hunting.  No offense is intended by those who use it, towards people who hunt, just those who think the only good purpose of a gun is to hunt.  The term as best I can tell was coined on ar15.com, and specifically directed toward people like Zumbo.

A group of Fudds in our area (mostly wing shooters) recently stacked the elections of the gun club (Little River Gun Club in West Georgia), took over, ran off the IDPA club, banned black rifles, etc.  Mr. Zumbo is not alone in this arrogant elitist attitude.  Most of the people in the gun owning community who think that way are hard core hunters and feel just like he does.  That is who a Fudd is...

There were way too many of them in positions of authority or on the board of the NRA back when the first AWB was passed. Not this time I think.

I guess I am just neither classy or professional like Scott 220, I have no problem letting my derision, resentment, opprobrium or scorn towards these hypocrites show..
Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: Lawrence Keeney on February 18, 2007, 09:28:40 PM
He apologized like Kerry..not truly sorry about what he said, just that what he said got him in trouble.  Chances are he still believes exactly what he said, but is just doing it because he was blown away by 1200+ messages from people who used to admire him and his writings.


Also, from now on, he's owned by Sarah Brady. They will from this day forward use him in their propaganda as an outdoor writer who was cowed into a false apology by the evil gun lobby.

No one will look at him or his magazine articles or tv shows the same ever again. The Brady bunch has turned him into the fourth dixie chick.
Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: pdg45acp on February 18, 2007, 10:37:52 PM
I'm more worried than mad..

Now that the Brady Bunch is running with it we can be sure that Zumbo's statements will be presented to Congress during the Assault Weapon Ban hearings as evidence that hunters do not like semi-automatic firearms and they would be glad to have them banned.

Before we know it.. an Assault Weapons bill that didn't have a chance of passing will turn into a "You don't need any semi-automatic firearms" bill that passes with a veto proof majority.
Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: matthew26 on February 19, 2007, 09:21:34 AM
Once my "evil" weapons are banned, the next weapons that will be considered "evil" will be those nasty deadly-accurate sniper rifles used to stalk their master's prey. I hope hunters realize that the slope is slippery.

I hope hunters don't enjoy their sport too much, because they are sure to lose it shortly after we lose ours. Go ask the Australians - owing a firearm is so difficult that even hunting is a chore.


This is what the framers must have thought: ::)
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the dinner table of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms for hunting, shall not be infringed."
Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: Snake45 on February 19, 2007, 09:36:36 AM
From Remington's website:

NOTICE: Remington is in the process of severing our sponsorships with Mr. Zumbo. Remington in no way shares or advocates any of the comments made by Mr. Zumbo on his blog site. A formal announcement will be released by noon today.

Source: http://www.remington.com/
Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: Middle Man on February 19, 2007, 11:51:12 AM
Zumbo invoking Nugent in his pablum apology was rather absurd...
Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: fatdog on February 19, 2007, 03:13:12 PM
Apparently at least Remington is getting some professional PR advice in the matter.   I think most of us in the hard core RKBA community understand that if we cannot make those who take our money tremble in fear of crossing this line, there is zero chance that any lame shiftless politician is going to take it seriously.   Our rights only survive on the back of their fear of our wrath through political activisim and fury at the ballot box.   Zumbo's downfall is necessary for that message to be clear.
Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: storm1911 on February 19, 2007, 07:29:28 PM
Zumbo has done us no favors.  That sham apology takes no notice of the Brady Bunch latching on to him. In fact, we haven't seen him repudiate the Brady comments.  I guess he forgot the many bills that wanted to ban those evil black rifles along with the equally evil sniper rifles. You know, any rifle with a scope and range beyond 100 yards. I am glad Remington jumped on this one as quickly as they did.
Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: MOREGUNS on February 19, 2007, 08:04:24 PM
WE ONLY HAVE THE RIGHTS THAT WE ARE WILLING TO FIGHT FOR!

I HOPE TED KICKS ZUMBO IN THE NUTS!!  :o
JUST LIKE HE HAS DONE TO MILLIONS OF US WITH HIS IDIOT STATEMENTS.

The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the
others.

Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: Dtech on February 19, 2007, 09:42:03 PM
Another member from SIGforum here.   :)

I've been thinking long and hard about the fiasco that has been Zumbo's blog and although I have the same feelings and reactions as most other 2A supporters out there, I must say I'm wondering if Mr. Zumbo may not have inadvertently done us (true supporters of the 2A) a huge favor?  Regardless of what ammunition the "Bradys" are trying to use this as, it has also caused a huge uprising of 2A support in a VERY short amount of time to show just how strong our camp is.  In short, if the gun grabbers and AWB supporters thought that they reaped heavy repercussions as a result of the first AWB, just let them try and get another one even out of committee (as was recently introduced by Congresswoman Carolyn McCarthy) and they'll see just how powerful the 2A camp has become in the past 13 years!

As for Mr. Zumbo, I expect his "uneducated" elitism will yield him exactly what he deserves as Remington and Cabela's has already expressed.
Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: matthew26 on February 19, 2007, 10:51:56 PM
I must say I'm wondering if Mr. Zumbo may not have inadvertently done us (true supporters of the 2A) a huge favor? 

i'm hoping.
Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: MDaly on February 20, 2007, 12:47:22 PM
Some have said that the Brady Campaing has picked this up.  Where is ther source for this?  I did not find it on theri web site.

Thanks

Mike
Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: Marshal Halloway on February 20, 2007, 01:17:25 PM
Hi Mike  ;D

This is from
http://blog.myspace.com/bradycampaign

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Even Remington's top gun writer agrees on Assault Weapons

With important writers such as this on our side, it is clear that we have a cultural imperative to remove dangerous terrorist rifles from our streets, and our woods.

Jim Zumbo is a writer for the prestigious Outdoor Life magazine and represents the views of America's true sportsmen. He is also sponsored by Remington.

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Assault Rifles For Hunters?

As I write this, I'm hunting coyotes in southeastern Wyoming with Eddie Stevenson, PR Manager for Remington Arms, Greg Dennison, who is senior research engineer for Remington, and several writers. We're testing Remington's brand new .17 cal Spitfire bullet on coyotes.

I must be living in a vacuum. The guides on our hunt tell me that the use of AR and AK rifles have a rapidly growing following among hunters, especially prairie dog hunters. I had no clue. Only once in my life have I ever seen anyone using one of these firearms.

I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles. They tell me that some companies are producing assault rifles that are "tackdrivers."

Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern. I've always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don't use assault rifles. We've always been proud of our "sporting firearms."

This really has me concerned. As hunters, we don't need the image of walking around the woods carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the praries and woods.
   
PS from the Campaign:

We've read his apology. Stop copying and pasting it. If we wanted to post it, it would have been included already. Thanks to a few individuals who attempted to excessively spam the blog comments section, comments are now moderated for this blog post. We will still post comments from all viewpoints, as we respect and cherish the first amendment, but you have only those who refused to respect our requests to thank when you have to wait for your comment to be approved.


Btw.... This Brady blog is now moderated heavily due to all the comments from our side of the fence.


Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: Snake45 on February 20, 2007, 01:35:27 PM
That is NOT the "official" Brady blog. That particular MySpace blogger may or may not have ties--official or not--to the Brady organization. No one knows for certain exactly what the deal is at this time.
Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: Bidah on February 20, 2007, 07:34:56 PM
I for one did not really believe in the 'apology'.  Some of you may remember he angered the muzzleloader community not long ago by saying that the inlines were so superior that they should get rid of the traditional ones. Does that mean that I should not bowhunt anymore either?  As someone has also said, wait till they come for his ultra accuate sniper rifle.

To me it was more of an attack stating that black rifle hunters are slobs, spray and pray, and are just out to wound game.  I hunt with an AR, and the best bullets I can buy (Barnes X bullet by the way).  Every deer that I have shot, except one, took only one shot.  The other took two, and none of them went more than 30 yards from where I shot it.  I use a 20 round mag, and have 5 rounds in it.  I also hunt Elk with an FAL (.308), and that has done equally well.  I also have a Savage 99 that was my dads that goes as well. So, since I hunt with these rifles I am a slob hunter??  I certainly don't think so.

A few others have sounded off on dropping him from sponsorship also, such as DPMS and Mossy Oak.

'nuf said.

-Bidah
Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: dhowser on February 20, 2007, 09:28:49 PM
Mr. Zumbo could have learned a lesson from the Dixie Chics.  Don't Piss Off Your Fans.  Maybe he'll score a job writing for the Outdoor Section of the "fine" Denver Post. 
Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: Pathfinder on February 21, 2007, 09:37:03 AM
Zumbo's fate will be radically different than the Dixie's. The Dixies immediately appeared on every TV show they could, even before they came back to the US from their European tour, had reporters asking them how it felt to have their rights violated (can you say oxymoron? Talking on TV how your right to talk was trashed?). Their albums are selling well, not as well as before, but they have become media darlings. Their concerts also sell well, but mostly in urban areas. So they are raking in the cash, and going for a Country to Pop cross-over where the real money is. They have sold out and are reaping the wordly benefits of going to the other side.

Zumbo will be hung out to dry (justifiably IMHO), maybe have some paid appearances by Brady et al. He is after all a GUN OWNER and evil HUNTER. So no media darling treatment for him, just getting used by the antis and discarded when his usefulness runs out.
Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: JohnE on February 21, 2007, 11:38:54 AM
Sigh.....Well, looks to me (whether an apology or not) the damage has been done.

One of the members here said,
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An assault rifle or carbine is one that is capable of “selective fire”, i.e. capable of semi-automatic and/or automatic or burst modes.


I use an AR-15 to hunt coyotes and not once have I been able to find the third mode switch on my safety.  And I certainly don't think that I'm carrying around a 'Assault Rifle' in the woods either.  I believe I made the right choice in rifles to do the hunting I prefer.  And that member is absolutely correct, my rifle of choice is NOT capable of automatic or burst modes.  But now I'm afraid it maybe banned in the future, thanks to the damage done.
Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: WymoreWrangler on February 27, 2007, 10:46:14 PM
Got to throw a big thank you to Michael for letting me join this forum, I tried to join Ted Nugents forum but was denied because I had a "free" hotmail account, I know of a gent trying to get on with a Yahoo account that was denied also, guess they really don't want to hear from every day American gun owners....
Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: Buckfever4Life on February 28, 2007, 07:29:47 AM
I hope I dont step on anyones toes with this one, especially since it is my second post on this forum. I hope that I am not out of line on this reply. If so, please accept my appology and removed it from the thread. I found this on another forum.




Zumbo has found himself a new job, and wasted no time in setting up a new blog.........


(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/chadeckhart/zumbo.jpg)



As I write this, I'm opening boxes of Post-It Notes in the main store in southeastern Wyoming with Freddie Svenson, Dayshift Manager for 3M, Grant Vennison, who is senior research engineer for 3M, and several other stock boys. We're testing Freddie's keys to his 1978 Pacer on several boxes of the new, hot-pink Post-It Notes.

I must be living in a vacuum. Grant tells me that the use of 'box cutters' have a rapidly growing following among stockmen, especially office supply workers. I had no clue. Only once in my life have I ever seen anyone using one of these dangerous utensils.

I call them "assault" utensils, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our restocking fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" utilities as they were used in bringing down airplanes on 9-11. They tell me that some companies are producing "safety" blades.

Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in opening boxes. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern. I've always been comfortable with the statement that stock clerks don't use assault box cutters. We've always been proud of our "just sharp enough keys."

This really has me concerned. As stock replenishers, we don't need the image of walking around the store carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public, a box cutter is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce ourselves from them. I say other departments should ban them from the warehouse and showfloor.
Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: Snake45 on February 28, 2007, 07:53:07 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: Mak380 on March 03, 2007, 03:15:47 PM
Here in AZ we have a "stupid motorist" law. If you drive around the barricades & enter a flooded area (flooded area = water running in the river and surrounding area, like a canal, only not so contained) and require rescue to save your life, you can be charged with the cost of that rescue. Your actions directly resulted in your peril.

I saw a quote on a bowhunting website, that claimed Jim Zumbo had been cautioned against making his ill-fate blog post. (And we know *EVERY* thing on the internet is true!) Do you have any way of verifying with Jim Z if this is the case?

To stretch the analogy... he might have expected 2 feet of water, I don't think he expected the dam to burst on him.
Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: 2Late45 on March 03, 2007, 05:37:24 PM
 A little different analogy,  just as in our shooting sports, when shooting off your mouth you should be wary of, and ready for "Riccochetts"  (sp)...    ::)
Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: Liberty4Ever on April 01, 2007, 11:52:31 AM
Zumbo's Offenses:

1) The arrogance to decide for other hunters what weapon is appropriate for them.

2) The uber-arrogance to decide which weapons are appropriate for recreational shooters who don't hunt and those who own firearms for self defense.

Bill Ruger and Smith & Wesson sold out American gun owners in the run-up to the Brady Bill. Well, deja vu all over again. Jim Zumbo is the modern day traitor to those of us who value the Second Amendment. He made the mistake of believing in the gun grabber lie and the strategy of divide and conquer. "We're not interested in your hunting rifle. Help us eliminate those evil black guns and we'll leave you alone." Yeah. Right. As soon as citizens are banned from owning ARs, AKs and similar semi-automatic rifles, your hunting rifle is called a sniper rifle and is targeted for elimination. Zumbo MUST have been living in his little hunting vacuum if he doesn't understand this. I never read Zumbo's arrogant tripe anyway. Good riddance.

Maybe I don't hunt and I think hunters who shoot coyotes (aka "dogs") at 300 yards and leave the carcasses on the ground are a perceptual problem for all gun owners, but I don't sell them out to The Brady Bunch to try to maintain what gun ownership means to me.

It's amazing that Jim Zumbo managed to make a living in the firearms industry without ever understanding the meaning of the Second Amendment.

Sorry, but an apology isn't good enough this time. Like the false and libelous newspaper headline followed by the retraction printed in one column inch on page D-22, the apology will not be read by gun grabbers or their political allies. They only see what Zumbo truly believes, and not his CYA apology in a belated attempt to keep a small part of his livelihood.

The original blog entry is now replaced with a message from Remington announcing they absolutely do not agree with Zumbo, and have severed ties with him, as has Outdoor Life magazine. Their PR announcement had a tone of regret, as they acknowledged that Zumbo had been a lifelong advocate of hunters and hunting rights. Exactly. He supported hunting, but he has not been an advocate for the right to keep and bear arms.  He has only sought to protect his small (and shrinking) part of the larger world of gun ownership. He has benefited and even profited from the protections of the Second Amendment which he so thoughtlessly betrayed.
Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: Spodeboy on May 05, 2007, 08:49:45 PM
Jim Zumbo must have been seduced by a lot of money and/or a sudden lust for the main stream media's approval.  I think he now wants a job at the New York Times.
Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: lake on May 09, 2007, 05:40:23 PM
475bbb ; I am a dedicated g-hog /coyote varmint hunter in Ohio. I proudly use ar-15/ ar-10 heavy barrel rifles hunting . nothing gives you a :'( cleanest ,quickest ,humane manner as possible . So i'm using the best tool for the job . we hunters strive for the perfect shot placement , We are not perfect so i at least owe it too the g-hog ,coyote deer or what ever for a fast follow up shot. Mr. Zumbo shame on you .
Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: conagher on May 12, 2007, 01:20:05 PM
This past year my son and I hunted a few times with our AR15's  (M4 configuration.)  He killed a whitetail buck (neck shot) and a coyote (shoulder shot on the run.)  I killed a 200 lb. boar with a head shot.  The gun does fine if you can shoot.  Works on Islamoterrorists, too.
Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: Walter45Auto on July 14, 2007, 09:08:20 PM
The AR platform is one ANYBODY can shoot at least decent with, if not great. I've never been a fan of them though, although I DO own one. Good rifle, but Never really impressed me other than its accuracy. I'm just not one of the guys who's Crazy over the almighty AR. I don't shoot it much though. One thing that I hate about it is when I shoot it, it tends to send a puff of smoke right into my eye with every shot.
Title: Re: The Jim Zumbo "Defection"
Post by: Rastus on April 12, 2008, 11:22:47 PM
Anybody see Zumbo at the shot show?  Just wondering...I haven't forgotten what he did to us.

If he was even there...I hope he was apologizing to everyone.