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Member Section => Tactical Rifle & Carbine => Topic started by: m25operator on June 07, 2007, 10:25:01 PM
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For those of you who've never gone there, good website. A lot of articles and good trading or buying. Thought I would pass on a good tip, ( although it means I might miss a deal ) . The equipment exchange forum is very good. To refine it even further, after joining, go to ( hometown) , pick your state, go to the hometown equipment exchange, and you will see lots of things for sale in your state or hometown, at least within driving distance. Lots of face to face transactions, ( be aware at all times, but I've had good luck ) just like ebay, check the persons feedback. I think you will find persons just like you, who have good junk to trade, just not into that anymore. CHECK IT OUT. www.ar15.com it's not just for black guns anymore. Make it one of your favorites on your pc, and you can check it several times a day in 30 seconds to a minute for upcoming deals.
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This would be the same ar15.com that threw me off for being too "commercial?"
LOL!
It is a good forum, even if I'm not allowed on it!
Michael B
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MY favorite forums are still DRTV and www.glocktalk.com. and the crimson trace forum is pretty good too. I'm on ar15.com every now and then too, but I never have been impressed or visited it much. Not that it's not a good forum, it just never caught my interest.
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This would be the same ar15.com that threw me off for being too "commercial?"
LOL!
It is a good forum, even if I'm not allowed on it!
Michael B
Isn't that the Forum that Jim Scoutin was promoting?
Personally, I got bored with it and have been going to the olyarms forum more as far as the tactical rifle goes
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Isn't that the Forum that Jim Scoutin was promoting?
now lets see here. Scoutin or Bane...... I dont even think it is a race. If they are too good for Mr. Bane then they are waaaaay to "highsocitity" for me. ;)
I am also very against parkinglot traders/trading, conducting themselfs like criminals or acting like drug dealers. If you have not observed it you wouldnt understand. But rest assured those that have are noding as they read. My family do not need there hard looks walking into Wallyworld. Its only a opinion but its mine.
Tex
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I have never heard Michael believing the AR15 forum is high society - even though he got kicked out from the site. ;D
DRTV has the AR15 forum as one of the forums listed on our links page and will continue to do so.
Our mission is also to promote the shooting sports and gun ownership in general. Our challenge is always the fine line between commercial marketing and plain promotion on behalf of our fellow shooters, gun owners, the organizations and the industry. We try to combine all these elements the best way we can.
Now.... some times, we get criticized for stepping over the line and receive an uppercut because of it.
Since we are active shooters, gun owners and Second Amendment absolutists, we get enthusiastic and forget sometimes that others may look at us as if we just promote our own interests. It is just something we have to deal with, keep the head straight, smile and move on. We also have to face the fact that it is a matter of opinion where the line goes.
My personal opinion is that all sites out there that round up people with common interests and and can bring more shooters to the range, have a purpose. Even with a Michael Bane Ban attached to it.... ;)
Well..... maybe he will be pardoned one day. Who knows... ;D
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well put Marshal 8)
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I have never heard Michael believe the AR15 forum is high society - even though he got kicked out from the site. ;D
DRTV has the AR15 forum as one of the forums listed on our links page and will continue to do so.
Our mission is also to promote the shooting sports and gun ownership in general. Our challenge is always the fine line between commercial marketing and plain promotion on behalf of our fellow shooters, gun owners, the organizations and the industry. We try to combine all these elements the best way we can.
Now.... some times, we get criticized of stepping over the line and receive an uppercut because of it.
Since we are active shooters, gun owners and Second Amendment absolutists, we get enthusiastic and forget sometimes that others may look at us as if we just promote our own interests. It is just something we have to deal with, keep the head straight, smile and move on. We also have to face the fact that it is a matter of opinion where the line goes.
My personal opinion is that all sites out there that round up people with common interests and and can bring more shooters to the range, have a purpose. Even with a Michael Bane Ban attached to it.... ;)
Well..... maybe he will be pardoned one day. Who knows... ;D
I was just reacting to the idea that Michael was kicked off for being to commercial...it just seamed a little weird.
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I'll have to admit I'm surprised at some of the replies. I certainly did not know Michael was kicked off, there is no contest between Michael and Jim, nor their shows. My money's always on Michael so far, and Shooting Gallery is the best shooting show ever, not kissing up, it just is. I look forward to listening to the podcasts every ( now wednesday ), I do that at lunch in our company breakroom and enjoy the views and the passion. I've been promoting the shooting world for 25 years, as a range officer, instructor, match director, board member at my local gun club, cub scout leader, and when I had an FFL, I sold guns to people that had never owned one at cost, to get one more gun owner in the fold that now has something to lose.
As to parking lot deals, why not meet someone at the gunrange, or as I have, at my place of business in broad daylight. My first purchase on ar15.com was a Leupold Mk4 M3 3.5x10 illuminated scope with mil dot reticle, slightly used and was 720.00 shipped, done through the mail, and I love it. Retail is 1100.00 dollars. I have to admit after that I was hooked. Some of us have money to play, and some of us don't. Thats why I learned to tune my own firearms. Make my own holsters, load my own ammo.
A point of interest, Bill Wilson, Ed Brown, Les Bauer, Bill Laughridge, Virgil Tripp, Chip McCormick, Hamilton Bowen, etc... do not have certificates on their walls, from the gunsmithing college they attended. They had a need that was too expensive to fill, or no one out their making the gun they wanted to make. So they studied the design, made it for themselves, tested it and improved it, into what we have today. Bless them, as they have been an inspiration to me.
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Nice deal on that Leupold scope, m25!
No big thing on getting tossed off. The truth is that Scoutten was first to put up the money to sponsor the Forum, so that buys him the right to kick my butt around the block there. The specific incident for which I was thrown off was when I announced on the Forum that you could sign up at DOWN RANGE to win the Bruce Gray 1911...boooooiiiinnnnggg!...away I went! The 1911 Forum also threw me off for the same reason...unauthorized giving away of a 1911! The head of another Forum, which shall remain nameless, phoned me up after I posted on the 1911 giveaway and called me a "miserable f&^&head" and a "piece of s^&t." Heck, I thought he was my friend.
Fun with the Internet!
Too many people apparently have too much personal cred invested in their anonymous Internet personas...you can't believe every smiley :) face you see, apparently...and there's 'way too many strange and arbitrary rules attached to some Forums. There's also a certain level of hipocrasy involved, because several of the Forums mentioned had actively solicited me to post — their Forum members liked to hear from people whose names they recognized, I was told...sort of an UNPAID celebrity endorsement. In truth, all Forums are commercial ventures. The only thing I really have to complain about, aside from being called a f%^&head by an alleged friend, is that I attempted to contact the moderators of the Forums to formally apologize and to ask if we could clarify what I had done to be "Banned for Life" and how I might go about lifting that ban. No one from either the 1911 Forum or the AR15 Forum responded to any of my requests.
Michael B
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Major Domo, their loss, our gain. DRTV ROCKS. First of it's kind and I don't think your having too many growing pains. More and more is being offered on a weekly basis.
Thank you, Michael.
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Dude!
You should actually thank MARSHAL, who does all the real work around here...
Wait a minute...he's at a machinegun shoot this weekend while I'm filming Best of SHOOTING GALLERY ins and outs...
So you don't have to thank him after all!
Just joking, Marshal!
Michael B
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Dakotaranger,
You said something about the web site olyarms.Do you have the correct address for it.(Since I am
a proud owner of one or is it of me ?).
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Dakotaranger,
You said something about the web site olyarms.Do you have the correct address for it.(Since I am
a proud owner of one or is it of me ?).
the forum is oa2.org and the company's website is olyarms.com
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At your direction, Thank you, Marshall. Hope you had fun at the emmagee shoot. Carry on.
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Dude!
You should actually thank MARSHAL, who does all the real work around here...
Wait a minute...he's at a machinegun shoot this weekend while I'm filming Best of SHOOTING GALLERY ins and outs...
So you don't have to thank him after all!
Just joking, Marshal!
Michael B[/color]
Well Hell~~~ Like,
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what am I? Chopped Liver? ::)
I swear.. ya have to be a real bona fide "hitch up yer britches, cowgirl up" type of female to work with these 2 owl hoots !
;) ;D
We aren't at the machine gun shoot yet. It's coming up in a couple weeks..
of which I 'might' get a chance to actually shoot one of those bad boys and try to blow up a car!
Won't THAT be some kind of kick ass, cat daddy stuff??
Yeessssss!!!!!!!
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((Oh yea, I will admit that Micheal and Marshal put in tons of hours and actually DO work very hard.
In fact, not to sound like I am bragging too much on ourselves.. We are very proud of what this site is becoming, and
we all 3 work very hard on making DRTV the best it can be.
But the key factors are 'you'.. the members and users of the site.
Without all of your support and memberships, there wouldn't be a reason to have Down Range.
So ...........................................
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****walking away grumbling under my breath*** And I'm the best damned pkg of chopped liver that they will ever find.
I swear having to keep up and put up with the crazy likes of those 2 could make a sane person
flip over the edge********* but.................................
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But the key factors are 'you'.. the members and users of the site.
Without all of your support and memberships, there wouldn't be a reason to have Down Range.
So ...........................................
attagirl, Thats why there is a favorite Halloway in my books. But SHHHH!!!! Please don't tell Marshal, i still want in on that range bag. ;) ::) ;) I know i KNO i got a shot in hades but still lets keep it between us. No worries , the other members wont tell either. RIGHT! 8)
I KID, I KID Marshal geeze :-[
tex
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:D
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Friends dont let friends buy AR-15s , Dont get me wrong I carried a M-16 , but the AK is a much superior weapon and the round is better in CQC . The AR is better at long range, but is that what you need?. NO a 30 round 762x39 154 gr.
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2how I don't feel undergunned with an AK OR SKS, but superior, I don't agree, neither one of these is a good bet for precision shots, at 100 yrds. Minute of person, I'll give you that. I've shot them both at 500 meters, and I'll have to say, they keep their 3 moa out to that range. Thats no small thing. I don't currently have any AK'S, but still have 3 sks, one of which takes ak mags. I've got that one hot enough to make the hand guards smoke. and it keeps on ticking. I was able to make head shots @ 200 meters on an 8" steel head target prone under good conditions.As things progress, I hope someone will make a rifle that shoots the 7.62x39 accurately. The chinese surplus, has a surprisingly low standard deviation. 12 - 20 fps.
I've only been to one tournament that these rifles ruled. It was a run and gun match, the targets were hidden behind 8" logs that could not be seen, the .223 would not penetrate the wood and take down the steel, but the 7.62x39 would. Personally, that's why I love myM1'A'S.
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m25operator, not trying to cause an uproar just jerking a few lines to see who bites. I agree with you and our troops are getting their buts shot off because the AKs are going thru walls and the 5.56 wont penetrate. Maybe thats why the Iraquis are being issued m-16s so they will eventually fall into the wrong hands. :P They are both good platforms and its really the person shooting it . But I like the 7.62x39 over the .223 or 5.56, plus the weapons are much more user friendly and serviceable.I hear alot of ground pounders are picking them up and using them over there. ;)
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Not to be the bad guy either but... the AR was origanially supose to be loaded in .308
Just saying 762x39 or 308?
tex
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I believe it was Military.com I just read a story about a soldier who went to the m-14 for those same reasons. They have a column for soldiers to tell about their weapons, very interesting stuff.
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Friends dont let friends buy AR-15s , Dont get me wrong I carried a M-16 , but the AK is a much superior weapon and the round is better in CQC . The AR is better at long range, but is that what you need?. NO a 30 round 762x39 154 gr.
I firmly believe in having several of each!!!
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Who am I to argue with a person whose online personal is JMB?
More is better!
Michael b
PS: Don't forget throwing at least one FN-FAL in the mix...
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10/4 on the fn-fal and let's not forget the hk 91, my experience with cetme's has left me cold, but with work they can be reliable. I still kick myself in the butt for not getting an fn49 in .308/7.62 nato when they were relatively cheap, great craftsmanship. I still think the M1a, has the most to offer, just as reliable in semi auto, excellent sights with excellent adjustments as issued but can be upgraded, front and rear, with 1/2 minute clicks.
Now with the scout mount system, CQB OPTICS are easy and stout. The side mount scope mounts have not been reliable, although I've not tried the new Brooks or Leatherwood versions. Although I've not shot them, the new sage stocks with the accessory rails, are very front heavy and throw off the natural pointability of the original design. My favorite go to rifle is my standard M1a with a walnut M14 stock, me and this rifle have a lot of history and I truly believe if I can see it, I can hit it. With factory czech 147 ball ammo this rifle has day in and day out shot 89% possible score in NRA service rifle competition. My one and only leg match with govt supplied match ammo I shot 94% with no sighters out to 600 yards. No wonder I love this rifle, there are many like it, but this one is mine.
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A friend of mine retired as a Marine Sniper/Master Sarge. He is now back in Iraq in a civilian employment. He can have anything he wants for defense arms. He chose an AK47 folder and a Glock 19 as a hideout -the 9mm only because it's much easier to get 9mm ammo. While in service, he liked the M4 with an Eotech for it's handling and accuracy, but saw too many enemy take hits from the .22 at longer ranges and keep on fighting. If they were behind any cover, they were often hard to touch with the M4. Luckily they often had a M2 .50 on their vehicle; that did reach out and touch someone. He chose the AK for the larger bullet and because the M4 says "Military" a little too well to anyone looking, while the AK is so common it's almost ignored.
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Your friend makes some very good points mnshooter and some great choices in arms. ;D
tex
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Dakotaranger,
I want to Thank You for the info on olyarms.
GRUMPY357
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I tried to register at AR15.com, and could not because of my email address being yahoo. Why is it some forums will not allow you to register if you have a yahoo or hotmail address? I have had this address for several years now.
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I tried to register at AR15.com, and could not because of my email address being yahoo. Why is it some forums will not allow you to register if you have a yahoo or hotmail address? I have had this address for several years now.
it makes it more difficult to come back if your booted off when one can sign in with an outside type account. using your actual ISP account is a bit tougher since you have to change the account name each time.
personaly i prefer to not use my ISP account
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Nice deal on that Leupold scope, m25!
No big thing on getting tossed off. The truth is that Scoutten was first to put up the money to sponsor the Forum, so that buys him the right to kick my butt around the block there. The specific incident for which I was thrown off was when I announced on the Forum that you could sign up at DOWN RANGE to win the Bruce Gray 1911...boooooiiiinnnnggg!...away I went! The 1911 Forum also threw me off for the same reason...unauthorized giving away of a 1911! The head of another Forum, which shall remain nameless, phoned me up after I posted on the 1911 giveaway and called me a "miserable f&^&head" and a "piece of s^&t." Heck, I thought he was my friend.
Fun with the Internet!
Too many people apparently have too much personal cred invested in their anonymous Internet personas...you can't believe every smiley :) face you see, apparently...and there's 'way too many strange and arbitrary rules attached to some Forums. There's also a certain level of hipocrasy involved, because several of the Forums mentioned had actively solicited me to post — their Forum members liked to hear from people whose names they recognized, I was told...sort of an UNPAID celebrity endorsement. In truth, all Forums are commercial ventures. The only thing I really have to complain about, aside from being called a f%^&head by an alleged friend, is that I attempted to contact the moderators of the Forums to formally apologize and to ask if we could clarify what I had done to be "Banned for Life" and how I might go about lifting that ban. No one from either the 1911 Forum or the AR15 Forum responded to any of my requests.
Michael B
michael, i applaud you for trying to reconcile as it takes a real man to step up and say hey i made a mistake and would like to apologize for it. -sounds like their loss to me-
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Well Hell~~~ Like,
(http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/uhhh.gif)
what am I? Chopped Liver? ::)
I swear.. ya have to be a real bona fide "hitch up yer britches, cowgirl up" type of female to work with these 2 owl hoots !
;) ;D
We aren't at the machine gun shoot yet. It's coming up in a couple weeks..
of which I 'might' get a chance to actually shoot one of those bad boys and try to blow up a car!
Won't THAT be some kind of kick ass, cat daddy stuff??
Yeessssss!!!!!!!
(http://www.cascity.com/howard/animations/thumup.gif)
((Oh yea, I will admit that Micheal and Marshal put in tons of hours and actually DO work very hard.
In fact, not to sound like I am bragging too much on ourselves.. We are very proud of what this site is becoming, and
we all 3 work very hard on making DRTV the best it can be.
But the key factors are 'you'.. the members and users of the site.
Without all of your support and memberships, there wouldn't be a reason to have Down Range.
So ...........................................
(http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/thanx.gif)
****walking away grumbling under my breath*** And I'm the best damned pkg of chopped liver that they will ever find.
I swear having to keep up and put up with the crazy likes of those 2 could make a sane person
flip over the edge********* but.................................
(http://www.cascity.com/howard/animations/20.gif)
i love the femine touch not only does it lighten things up and make it kind of cheery but it puts a :) on my face too.
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Ya but the site does have some good stuff on it from time to time.
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Yea I to tried to join ar15.com but was told that my email was not good enough for thier site and all I wnated was to buy a hat! I an one of those who does not have a lot of money to send on a certin email goes to join a fourm to disscus my favorite thingd to do and could not afford the extra cost . Some have some have not :( but true.
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I was a member there for one month. I never broke 1 rule or did anything wrong. The all of a sudden my account is disabled. I sent a email to ask why and they said I was a previously banned member signed up under a new name! ??? I tried to explain to them i had no idea who that guy was and had no connection to him and they basically called me a liar. >:( Screw em.
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I was a member there for one month. I never broke 1 rule or did anything wrong. The all of a sudden my account is disabled. I sent a email to ask why and they said I was a previously banned member signed up under a new name! ??? I tried to explain to them i had no idea who that guy was and had no connection to him and they basically called me a liar. >:( Screw em.
You're welcome here Ghostman.
Mosey on down to the Down Range Cafe and look for the New Members thread where you can give yourself a proper introduction and give us a chance to welcome you the right way!!!
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Too many internet tough guys there, i like the people here all honest Americans that enjoy our right to sport and protection.
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Once again, I probably stand in the minority here. :P But the fact is that I've had good luck with them. They are a bit touchy though. I damn near got banned my first post.Y'all remember my frantic post about whether to buy a DPMS sportical vs an AK when I had about an hour to decide before the sale ended? I put that same thing up there and nearly got kicked off as "commercial" as I mentioned the dealer and price. ??? ::) That aside, I've gotten good advice and one hell of a deal on an eotech ($200) from that board. My only bitch is that they make you have ten posts before you can search the site?????? I just gave them a couple recipies and posted some political and sports related BS to qualify. Its not a family like DRTV, but if you need tech advic on an AR, its hard to beat.
Caveat Emptor/Ego
FQ13
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I still go there every other day, for the equipment exchange, ( buying or selling stuff ) I have gotten many great deals, off paper to boot. Also, I don't comment very often, but as a guide, get clicked in to your home town section, the people who are there are your neighbors so to speak, I find more like minded people there and some I know, but then again, be cool with your comments about certain things as these people are closer to you, geographically. I have gotten several great deals on optics,which as we know, quality costs, but I have done well there, and a good optic is a keeper, firearms may come and go, but keep the good glass.
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a good optic is a keeper, firearms may come and go, but keep the good glass.
X-ring! 8)
FQ13
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ar15.com has the best gun porn on the internet
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AR-15.com is getting to be a lot like many gun / Internet sites in that you have to wade through the crap with your B.S. filter gauge pegged on "high" to get to the good stuff. Lots of very good black rifle information there, but to get to it takes a little patience, and skimming. An Evelyn Wood Reading Dynamics course would be of great help in doing any amount of research there. They tend to quickly reject, and or discredit, anyone with a low post count. It can be very confusing because you will see virtually every single manufacturer of AR-15's there both bashed as well as praised. Often in the same thread. For very specific AR-15 information they are hard to beat. For general information and opinions.................. ::) Bill T.
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ar15.com has the best gun porn on the internet
Some of the best gun porn on the net is here. Not all of it Ruger and not all of it guns. I have to clean the drool out of the keyboard when I'm done.
http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewforum.php?f=6&sid=46a65ca22bbf23e8048e61f702becd31
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Learned how to tear down my Bushy there and downloaded the Army survival manual too. The have alot of info.
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Learned how to tear down my Bushy there and downloaded the Army survival manual too. The have alot of info.
We got a Woody! ;D