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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: kilopaparomeo on October 15, 2010, 08:24:43 AM
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I just sent my order in for one of the Service Grade Wnchester M1 Garands...hopefully I'll get on the list. Get 'em while you can.
Will have to sell one of my Springfield Armory Garands to fund this though.
LATEST CMP SALES NEWS:
WINCHESTER SERVICE GRADE M1 GARAND. The CMP now has several hundred Winchester M1 Garand rifles for sale. Please visit http://www.thecmp.org/m1garand.htm . Item number is RM1WRAS. Price is $795 plus $22.95 S&H.
CMP SALES AT THE 2010 WESTERN CMP GAMES. The Western CMP Games and Creedmoor Cup Match combine to offer an unprecedented nine-day series of clinics, recreation-oriented "as-issued" military rifle matches and national-class service and match rifle competitions with the best highpower rifle shooters in the country. The event will take place 16-24 October at the Ben Avery Shooting Facility, Phoenix, AZ. The Official Program and on-line registration are posted at http://www.odcmp.com/competitions/westerngames.htm. M1 Garand rifles will be available for selection and subsequent purchase. Memorabilia, new rifle barrels, gun cases, bayonets, rifle stocks, and ammunition will be available for immediate purchase.
M1 CARBINES SOLD OUT. The CMP is now sold out of M1 carbines except for the few we will still be selling on our auction program. http://auction.odcmp.com/auctions/index.asp. At this time, we have no reason to expect to receive any additional quantities of carbines.
CMP LOGO RIFLE HARD CASES. CMP has purchased a large quantity of rifle cases for single scoped rifles. Until inventory of these cases is exhausted, M1 Garands will be shipped in one of these cases at no extra charge. Cases are MADE IN THE USA for CMP. Case is made of GI green molded plastic & features a patented PillarLock system for extra strength and crush resistance. Each case is custom molded w/ CMP logo on each side. Interior foam rubber is of special dimensions to hold your rifle extra snugly. Case also features four black contoured recessed latches, padlock points, steel hinge pins& a molded handle. Case is large enough to hold one Garand, 1903 Springfield, 1917 Enfield or a 1898 Krag rifle. These cases are also available for purchase. See item PC006 under the Equipment & Accessories tab on the eStore. $30 + $10.95 S&H. https://estore.odcmp.com/Store/login/login.aspx.
ESTORE CREDIT CARD CHARGING CHANGES. Currently, CMP does not charge credit cards until a few days before actual shipment. This applies to eStore orders also. Beginning before the end of October, we plan to modify eStore to automatically process the order and charge the card at time order is placed. This will result in eStore orders being shipped within 1-2 workdays after order is placed.
WWII ERA BAYONETS COMING SOON. Before the end of November, 2010 CMP will have the WWII era M1 model (10") bayonets for sale in the stores and on the eStore. Prices are not yet set, but these bayonets will be priced very reasonably.
COMMERCIAL GAS TRAP KIT AVAILABLE. As a service to our customers, we are forwarding information received from Rat Worx (Research and Testing Worx, Inc.) of Mt. Morris, Illinois. Newly-manufactured, fully-shootable gas trap front end kits for the M1 Garand rifle are now available. According to their Web site (www.ratworxusa.com), these gas trap parts are manufactured from the original 1937-40 U.S. Government drawings. Each part is fully interchangeable with 1937-40 production components.
CMP iPHONE APP NOW AVAILABLE. CMP is the official app for keeping score at Civilian Marksmanship Program sponsored shooting events. It features an easy to use interface that allows for quick recording of your score after each string. The CMP app calculates your shooting percentages automatically to let you know how you are doing throughout the event. You can also enter notes and record conditions so that you have a permanent record of details of each event. The CMP app is designed for both the iPhone and iPad. This application is sponsored and endorsed by the Civilian Marksmanship Program and a portion of the proceeds from the sale of this software are donated to the CMP. To view and purchase the CMP app, please visit http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/cmp/id379873392?mt=8#.
VOLUNTEER PROGRAM – ANNISTON. We have reinstituted the volunteer program at Anniston. For details, please see http://www.thecmp.org/volunteers.htm.
M14 KITS STILL AVAILABLE. We still have a few of the M14 parts grade A kits available for purchase. Kit includes every semi-auto part except barrel, bolt and receiver. Metallic parts will show signs of use and may have some minor rust or pitting. Stocks may have some dents and dings and minor cracks. Stocks may be walnut, hardwood, or synthetic. Item number is PSM1AKIT. Price is $600 per kit plus $22.95 S&H per kit. Please see https://estore.odcmp.com/store/catalog/catalog.aspx?pg=catalogList&cat=PAS
Thank you for your continued support.
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Gee the Service grade Springfields are $595.00. Not a bad price for a piece of history. Are the H&R's that much cheaper for any particular reason? Since they are ALL mostly refurbished, rebuilt, at least once?
Just wondering. Probably having a "Winchester" or "Springfield"...makes a difference, like a Rock-Ola M-1 Carbine.
Hope you get a real nice one KPR. Congrats. Your a lucky guy anyway,....yours will probably be all original and immaculate.
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I am not sure but I think the price differences are related to production numbers, that's the only thing I can think of that would effect pricing by Manufacturer.
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Depending on what "service grade" means in real life, $800 isn't awful. Its about $300 more than a new issue condition repro should be worth, but not awful. Now, if only there were a large supply of these weapons that could be sold cheaply in the US, but nah, there's nothing like that out there......... >:(
FQ13
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Depending on what "service grade" means in real life, $800 isn't awful. Its about $300 more than a new issue condition repro should be worth, but not awful. Now, if only there were a large supply of these weapons that could be sold cheaply in the US, but nah, there's nothing like that out there......... >:(
FQ13
That's crazy talk.
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Depending on what "service grade" means in real life, $800 isn't awful. Its about $300 more than a new issue condition repro should be worth, but not awful. Now, if only there were a large supply of these weapons that could be sold cheaply in the US, but nah, there's nothing like that out there......... >:(
FQ13
Service grade is a beater. It will work safely, as for anything else hope you're lucky, you will not shoot competition with it.
The rebuilds, that you speak of incorrectly as reproductions, go for about $1100 +
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct544.aspx
http://www.fulton-armory.com/MRifles.htm
There is another guy out there building M-1's with 18 inch barrels, I can't remember his name though, he gets around $2500
2 years ago 2 freinds of mine got NICE Garand's from CMP, not Collector grade, there aren't any more of those, the next grade down
They paid less than $1000 each, with a case of ammo on clips.
So $800 isn't that good a price.
Push your Reps for the Korean reimports.
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By repros, I meant this. With all the interest in M1s, one would think think that you could, and would, sell repros ,just basic Rock Island Arms 1911 level guns, for about $600. Sadly this isn't the case. It might require an interchanchangeble box mag to hold three rounds (for hunting purposes), but damn I bet it would sell. I'd buy one, if the clips were available.
FQ13
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They make 5 round clips for M1s so they're legal to hunt with in some states. I don't know about 3 rounders.
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They make 5 round clips for M1s so they're legal to hunt with in some states. I don't know about 3 rounders.
Classic Arms has them, 2 rounders as well.
By repros, I meant this. With all the interest in M1s, one would think think that you could, and would, sell repros ,just basic Rock Island Arms 1911 level guns, for about $600. Sadly this isn't the case. It might require an interchanchangeble box mag to hold three rounds (for hunting purposes), but damn I bet it would sell. I'd buy one, if the clips were available.
FQ13
Problem seems to be getting some one to invest in tooling up.
There may be problems with patent rights, remember, The Gov owned the design, Springfield was a GOV Arsenal then, they sub contracted to those other companies.
Would love to see it, ;D
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The pattens on the design expired years back... They are only good for 20 years.
So thats not too much of a prob.
The tooling and getting it to work with modern comm'l 30.06 ammo is the hard part.
The M1 was designed to shoot 1 load. If you put a standard 30.06 round in the gun you will bend/break the opt rod.
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Plus, if you look at the machining and parts on a Garand, they are quite the little mousetrap inside. I'd be surprised if someone could get one up in production for less than $1500.
What did the Springfield repros go for recently? They sold them for about 5 years then stopped because of low sales.
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I BELEIVE THEY WERE ABOUT $1100 AND THAT WAS AT LEAST 2 YEARS AGO.
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The pattens on the design expired years back... They are only good for 20 years.
So thats not too much of a prob.
The tooling and getting it to work with modern comm'l 30.06 ammo is the hard part.
The M1 was designed to shoot 1 load. If you put a standard 30.06 round in the gun you will bend/break the opt rod.
Is that true? Because if it is, my desire for one just vanished. One of the virtues of the M1 is that next to 30/30, 30-06 is about the most common rifle caliber out there. Anyone have info on this point?
FQ13
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Is that true? Because if it is, my desire for one just vanished. One of the virtues of the M1 is that next to 30/30, 30-06 is about the most common rifle caliber out there. Anyone have info on this point?
FQ13
I've read and been told that you can shoot mostly any commercial ammo in a Garrand as long as you stick to 150 grain bullets, at the velocities that it was designed for. Some heavier bullets can be used, but bullets above 170 grains can cause excess pressure and damage the gun unless reloaded with particular types of powders.
Hornady does make a 168 grain match bullet that is made especially for use in the M1 Garrand.
http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=110098
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M2 Ball is specifically mated to Garands...the pressure curve is correct for the rifles gas system. If you use most modern 30-06 cartridges, you can bend the op rod. Very expensive.
Schuster makes an adjustable gas plug however (Brownells, Midway) for about $35 that takes care of this problem.
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Well, there's one dream rifle off the list. (Sigh.). Its not that I wouldn't love one, just that I don't reload and won't own a gun that doesn't use common and cheap ammo. Its too bad, and another argument for someone producing a good repro, but I guess I'll have to return my "dream rifle" fantasies back to the M1A. :-\
FQ13 who thanks the board for helping me avoid a costly mistake. Unless of course that rod works as advertised, in which case, anyone got a deal on clips? ;D
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Another discussion with varying views here:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=152322
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I think the SA repos could handle modern ammo.
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I think the SA repos could handle modern ammo.
Why am I not surprised to be chastising you ?
Jeez, Do you actually read the posts you reply to ?
M2 Ball is specifically mated to Garands...the pressure curve is correct for the rifles gas system. If you use most modern 30-06 cartridges, you can bend the op rod. Very expensive.
[size=30pt]Schuster makes an adjustable gas plug however (Brownells, Midway) for about $35 that takes care of this problem.[/size]
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Can you hear me now ;D
Had to delete the FQ quote, I missed the bit at the end ;D