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Member Section => Tactical Rifle & Carbine => Topic started by: billt on July 11, 2009, 09:37:08 AM
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These are a few quick photos of my new Savage long range thumper. It's the new Model 110 FCP-K Heavy Barrel in .300 Winchester Magnum. I've been wanting to set up a long range .300 Win. Mag. for some time now, and almost went with a Remington 700 Police in that caliber, but then heard about this new Savage and decided to wait because I really liked the features that it has and the 700 Police didn't. First is the new Savage Accustock which has the Aluminum spine running the full length of the forend. It is really supposed to help in accuracy. Next is the brake which combined with the new super soft recoil pad which Savage calls the P.A.D. (Personal Anti recoil Device), along with the guns weight, (right around 9 pounds out of the box), should make for a really nice, soft shooting .300 Magnum.
The gun also has the Savage Accutrigger, which I also have on both of my Savage .308's. For me there isn't a better factory trigger out there. All and all I'm happy with the gun as it came from the box. Fit and finish appears to be good, and the action is very smooth. Now comes the task of scope selection. I haven't made up my mind yet, and considering that today it's supposed to hit 116 degrees in the shade, I've got plenty of time to make up my mind before the cool weather comes. I'm seriously thinking of going with another Bushnell 5-15X 3200 Elite Tactical. I have that scope on both of my Savage .308's, a Model 10-FP, and a Model 12-F/TR, and I've been very happy with the results.
For rings I'm for certain going with the excellent Burris Signature Zee Rings with the plastic inserts. Again, I have these rings on several rifles and the results have been nothing but good. With the Posi-Align Offset Insert Kit I can dial in any MOA tilt I want without the need for tapered bases. I'm excited about this gun because I don't think there has been a better long range performer than the .300 Winchester Magnum cartridge. With 190 and 200 grain Sierra Matchking's, along with healthy doses of IMR 4831 powder, you have to look long and hard for a better 1,000 yard rifle. Cost per shot in relation to performance is pretty hard to beat. I'll have it ready to go by Fall. Between this rifle, and the 3, M-1 Garands I have on order from the CMP, I'm going to be very busy putting a lot of lead downrange! Bill T.
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Bill
I think I speak for everyone on this board when I say between the cool guns and the beautiful wife, I hate you. ;D Seriously though, that looks like a great rifle. I'd looked at .300 win mag as a sendero gun for long range shots on Tx. deer when I got dissatisfied with my 30-06 (problems with the rifle not the round). I decided to go with .270 as I didn't really think that long range hunting was my game. But looking at it tactically changes things. I would be very interested in hearing about range reports on the rifle,scope, mounts ammo etc. Congrats on the new toy. ;D
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Nothin' like a Savage for accuracy out of the box! I don't have the accustock but I have a 30-06 with the accutrigger. love it!
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You lucky, lucky $)*)#! NICE GUN!
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Nice rifle, Bill.
I wish I'd never got rid of my Savage '06 some years back. It was the most accurate rifle I had at the time, but I was able to sell it for a hundred bucks more than I paid for it, so........
Now I wish I had held on to it.
I really like Bushnell scopes. Great compromise between value and function. I would like to try a NightForce (my friend has a couple on his competition rifles), but don't have the scratch for the $1600 price tag.
Good luck, and we all anxiously await a thorough range report, when you finally get to wring it out.
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Nothin' like a Savage for accuracy out of the box! I don't have the accustock but I have a 30-06 with the accutrigger. love it!
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I have a Savage 270 with the accutrigger. It was great the first time. I sighted it in at my buddy's house where he has a 100yd range.
I rested it and took three shots to sight it in and then four in the same hole at 100 yds. It shoots much better than I do. ;D
Congrats Bill.....The 300 Win Mag is awesome and I have read great things about the AccuStock and P.A.D.
Can't wait for the range report.
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You're really turning into a prick.........I mean nice rifle.
Yeah, that's it.....Nice rifle.
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Congrats Bill.....The 300 Win Mag is awesome and I have read great things about the AccuStock and P.A.D. Can't wait for the range report.
The P.A.D. is the absolute softest recoil pad I've ever seen or felt. It is even softer than the Kickezz pad on my wife's Beretta Trap Gun. It has a nice "grippy" surface. It's designed to spread out across your shoulder upon firing, increasing the surface area contact with your shoulder. I have no doubt it will be comfortable to shoot. It's nice to see these manufacturers getting away from these rock hard "pads" they've used for so many years. Bill T.
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I'm still kicking around optic options. As I mentioned it's way too hot here to shoot, so I've got time to make a selection. My "dream scope" for this gun is the Leupold Mark IV 16X, 30 MM tube. This scope has an almost unbelievable 140 M.O.A. of elevation adjustment. With the .300 Winchester Magnum cartridge and 190 grain Sierra Matchking bullets this equates to being able to hold "dead on" at phenomenal ranges. The problem is even with my C&R discount from Midway, this scope runs right around $1,300.00 with shipping and insurance. The performance it delivers is well worth the cost. This is the same scope David Tubb uses in his video, "The One Mile Shot". He has it mounted on a custom 6.5 X .284. Bill T.
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I really have a hard time thinking rings with plastic in them are the best choice... Solid steel would SURELY be my coice. Dont forget to consider temperature changes, as much as we try to treat these rifles with kids gloves, that scope WILL get a good bump sooner or later. The worlds finest rifle isnt worth a squirt of pee if the optics arent rock solid reliable. So Plastic? :-\
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I really have a hard time thinking rings with plastic in them are the best choice... Solid steel would SURELY be my coice. Dont forget to consider temperature changes, as much as we try to treat these rifles with kids gloves, that scope WILL get a good bump sooner or later. The worlds finest rifle isnt worth a squirt of pee if the optics arent rock solid reliable. So Plastic? :-\
Once you try the Burris Signature Rings you'll never go back to conventional rings again. They are indeed that good. The plastic inserts hold better because there is 100% contact that is totally self centering. Conventional rings require lapping to produce total contact. I have these rings on several heavy recoiling rifles and have never had a scope move, or shift zero with them. With the offset insert kit you can not only move point of impact vertically, but laterally and diagonally as well. All without compromising holding ability, or having to screw with expensive tapered bases. An additional feature is they will never scratch or mar a scope tube, something that is nice when you are shelling out well into 4 digits for good glass. Bill T.
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Once you try the Burris Signature Rings you'll never go back to conventional rings again. They are indeed that good. The plastic inserts hold better because there is 100% contact that is totally self centering. Conventional rings require lapping to produce total contact. I have these rings on several heavy recoiling rifles and have never had a scope move, or shift zero with them. With the offset insert kit you can not only move point of impact vertically, but laterally and diagonally as well. All without compromising holding ability, or having to screw with expensive tapered bases. An additional feature is they will never scratch or mar a scope tube, something that is nice when you are shelling out well into 4 digits for good glass. Bill T.
I agree. The Burris Signature Rings are everything they are touted to be!!
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http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=384184
Solid steel, 6 bolts, Leupold quality, reasonable cost, and it only costs about $10 bucks to buy needed supplies to lap the bases (takes about 10 minutes to).
I'm shopping for rings right now to. Havent made up my mind just yet.
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http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=384184
Solid steel, 6 bolts, Leupold quality, reasonable cost, and it only costs about $10 bucks to buy needed supplies to lap the bases (takes about 10 minutes to).
I'm shopping for rings right now to. Havent made up my mind just yet.
Give them a try. Burris Signature Rings.
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See that diagonal slot cut above the flat head screw? And the metal below the screw? Hewweee, looks PRETTY thin there. :( I know its a hinge point for their cost saving 1 pc. design, but any flex in that paper thin area will move the scope. :( Flat head screw opposed to torx head. :( 3 screws opposed to 6 :(. AND a plastic insert... Mmm, thanks much for the suggestion, just to many concerns for me. I agree with them being a good option if your planning to trade scopes around, shouldnt mar the scope finish.
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Remember guys, when you start talking about "ring strength" it's all a lot to do about nothing. The weak link in ANY scope mount system is the 4 tiny 6-48 screws that holds the whole ball of wax to the rifle. I hear guys talk about "solid steel" this and that, "heavy cross bolt screws", etc. All of it is totally meaningless because the whole system is only as strong as it's weakest link. In actuality, having all of that heavy mass sitting on top of the rifle is going to make the whole system WEAKER not stronger, simply because you have so much more weight trying to be put into motion by recoil forces each and every time the gun fires. Those 4 tiny UNF threaded screws are going to shear long before anything else in the system fails. It's best to keep everything as light as possible. Especially with heavy tactical scopes, and heavy recoiling Magnum caliber rifles. I have never had a failure of a Burris Signature Ring in thousands of rounds. If there is any disadvantage to them it is the fact they don't look "tacticool". Considering the way they perform, I can easily live with that. Bill T.
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Here is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. People will buy these things thinking they are really "beefy", turn around and bolt a ton of tacticool crap to them. Everything from flashlights to lasers and levels, then have it all connected to the rifle with 4 little tiny 6-48 UNF screws. Put all of that on your .300 Magnum and the first thing that will hit the bench will be your scope as your brand new Superwhatit's Magnum sheds about 4 pounds of weight! Bill T.
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Bill, you have to excuse BM. He isn't here to learn anything. He is here to educate the rest of us, seeing as he already knows everything. I, personally, am glad to have him and his wealth of knowledge here.
Is that better M'ette? I didn't call him a dumbass or anything. ;D
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Bill, you have to excuse BM. He isn't here to learn anything. He is here to educate the rest of us, seeing as he already knows everything. I, personally, am glad to have him and his wealth of knowledge here.
Is that better M'ette? I didn't call him a dumbass or anything. ;D
All hail BM and his mighty .22 ;D
LMAO ;D
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;D Now that's funny Junkie.
I have a pair of rings that I think are Burris. They look exactly the same except for no inserts. They seem very solid to me. The only problem I had was a cheap base made so far out of spec that they wouldn't tighten up enough.
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I find it hard to believe from what billit says, that he looked at the Leupold rings I was talking about (see link). They in HIS description are perfect.
1911... Lick my sack. ;D When you have something intelligent to say. I'm eager to listen! Wont hold my breath. ;)
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There is nothing "wrong" with the Leupold rings you have pictured. I'm merely pointing out the fact the so called "strength" of the rings means little because it is not the weak link in the system. Any steel ring will scratch the scope tube that is mounted in it. My reasons for choosing the Burris Signature Rings over others, (and I own many other brands), is the fact the plastic inserts allow better holding capability without any marring or scratching to occur. This will forbid you to return the scope for a refund from many suppliers because they cannot resell a scratched scope that shows evidence of mounting. Another reason is the Posi-Align offset plastic inserts allow for a tremendous amount of vertical, lateral, and diagonal movement you simply cannot achieve with other rings, regardless of make or construction. They eliminate lapping because they are self centering, and because of it will not subject the scope to any undo stress by misaligned rings. What percentage of shooters lap their scope rings? I'm willing to bet it is less than 10%. The Burris Signature Rings are revolutionary in this regard because their design side steps so many of these issues with good, solid innovation. Bill T.
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I find it hard to believe from what billit says, that he looked at the Leupold rings I was talking about (see link). They in HIS description are perfect.
1911... Lick my sack. ;D When you have something intelligent to say. I'm eager to listen! Wont hold my breath. ;)
Go ahead and hold your breath BM, You could be the first Smurf on the forum.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFxv0-WSJ5g&feature=related
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Nice rifle! I've only recently been looking into Savage, so I don't know too much about them. What was the ballpark price?
Does anyone know if their package rifles that include a scope are any good?
What's with the puppies mouse pad in the photos? ;)
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+1 on all of the last 3 posts. I dont own a set of the leupold rings (yet), and am still shopping. I do have Burris rings on my M77 that I LOVE. VERY well made, rock solid, not "Signature series" though. My personal choice is still to pass on those. To each their own. ;D
HEADS UP: I about fell over the other day when at BassPro and saw a guy there lapping in rings for a customer. He said. "Yeah, we do it ANYTIME we mount a scope, stupid not to. Boresight it to. Costs $20 bucks, or its free if you buy the scope and gun here."
$20 well spent IMO! Also impressed with the effort he was putting into "getting it just right".
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Nice rifle! I've only recently been looking into Savage, so I don't know too much about them. What was the ballpark price?
Right around $811.00 out the door.
Does anyone know if their package rifles that include a scope are any good?
It depends on what you mean by "any good"? Most of Savage's packaged rifles come with a lower end Bushnell or Simmons variable model, usually a 3-9X 40 MM. While it will certainly suffice, I would buy just the rifle and look for a little better grade of glass. Midway, Cabela's, and many other shooting supply houses have sales on some of the better grades that aren't that much more expensive.
What's with the puppies mouse pad in the photos? ;)
My wife's laptop. The puppies are Golden Retrievers. Like this one,
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His name is Sam. Today is his birthday, he is 9. Bill T.
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His name is Sam. Today is his birthday, he is 9. Bill T.
I hope all of that fur is keeping him from the sun out there. I moved to AZ back in 90 for a short time, but left my husky at my parent's. I thought it would be too hot, but a lot of people had huskies there.
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http://www.shootingtimes.com/optics/ST_mountingmistakes_200812/index.html
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GREAT article!
This time around I think I'm just gonna take everything to BassPro. $20 bucks, and he did have the torque screw driver there, didnt stay to watch him use it, but it was on his table, along with the two pointy metal pieces in the article I dont have.
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GREAT article!
This time around I think I'm just gonna take everything to BassPro. $20 bucks, and he did have the torque screw driver there, didnt stay to watch him use it, but it was on his table, along with the two pointy metal pieces in the article I dont have.
The alignment tools will eliminate the need for most lapping of the rings.
By the way BM, I know that Smurf song was queer but I hadn't worked up balls enough to post this one
LANGUAGE WARNING !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3srJeD0mJoE&feature=PlayList&p=7C05951A1977D379&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=43
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I was going to post that but I didn't want BM to think I was hitting on him. ;D
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I've never had the benefit of the alighnment tool. I use a solid piece of S.S. bar stock 12"X1", wrap it with 180 grit, tighten down the rings enough to give resistance when I turn the bar, lap for about 1 minute (its mostly by feel), take the rings apart and usually find I've removed about 30%-40% of the paint inside the rings, and in area's where the paint is still remaining it will show wear from the lapping. That is my guide to know when to quit. When you can see the whole inside surface will be touching the scope tube.
But again, for $20 bucks I dont have to worry about causing cant as I tighten down the rings, dont have lap rings at all, boresight, proper torque on the screws, any of it. I just mount the rings on the base where I want them, show them where I want the scope placed in the rings, and BassPro takes care of the rest while I take my kid to look at the giant fish tank. Just might be the ticket! ;D
As far as Smurf's... I've seen a video of Azriel and Gargamel that would perminately warp the mind of every child in the world who saw it. NO, I dont know what the link to it is. ;D
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This is all I could find ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x037EoZmzmI
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I've never had the benefit of the alighnment tool. I use a solid piece of S.S. bar stock 12"X1", wrap it with 180 grit, tighten down the rings enough to give resistance when I turn the bar, lap for about 1 minute (its mostly by feel), take the rings apart and usually find I've removed about 30%-40% of the paint inside the rings, and in area's where the paint is still remaining it will show wear from the lapping. That is my guide to know when to quit. When you can see the whole inside surface will be touching the scope tube.
But again, for $20 bucks I dont have to worry about causing cant as I tighten down the rings, dont have lap rings at all, boresight, proper torque on the screws, any of it. I just mount the rings on the base where I want them, show them where I want the scope placed in the rings, and BassPro takes care of the rest while I take my kid to look at the giant fish tank. Just might be the ticket! ;D
As far as Smurf's... I've seen a video of Azriel and Gargamel that would perminately warp the mind of every child in the world who saw it. NO, I dont know what the link to it is. ;D
Badger, you have been coming up with some different avatars. I miss the Humungus.
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Kid, I cant help it, the dog makes me laugh a little everytime I see him. ;D I'd say he's the OFFICIAL #1 fan of Pink Panther! ;D
Aside from M'ette, NONE of us wants to see The Great Humungus having that good of a time. ;D
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What in the hell is up with your avatar Badgersmilk??? A dog screwing the Pink Panther? You are one sick puppy but that is hilarious, yet quite crude.
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Too bad you can't add music to an avatar. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy0ZoiJVmQk
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One thing I would add to anyone who wants, or needs to lap scope rings. It is only necessary to lap the bottom half of the rings that are mounted to the rifle. The top half of the rings are self centering, and will conform to what sits in them. Any and all misalignment will be conducive to the bottom half of the rings only. Bill T.