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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: ericire12 on April 02, 2008, 01:59:55 PM
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A Des Moines pizza driver was suspended from his job after he shot an armed robber who put a gun to his head Thursday and demanded money. Link:http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080401/NEWS/80401028 (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080401/NEWS/80401028)
The suspect, Kenneth Jimmerson, 19, was arrested when he later called for medical help. Jimmerson, who police say suffered at least three gunshot wounds, survived his injuries and faces a first-degree robbery charge. Melanie Stout, 18, who allegedly called in the pizza order, is charged with conspiracy.
Spiers said it was the first time in 10 years on the job that he’d been a robbery victim.
“Anytime you’re involved in delivery, I suppose you’re an easy target,” he said.
Spiers, who has a valid handgun permit, said he’s been “pretty much in the dark” about his job since the incident. Vonnie Walbert, vice president of human resources at Pizza Hut’s corporate offices in Dallas, said last week that employees are not allowed to carry guns “because we believe that that is the safest for everybody.”
Which is more unreasonable: Spiers’ concern for his safety, or Pizza Hut’s lack of concern for it? Let Pizza Hut know where you stand. Call 1-800-948-8488 to offer your opinion on Spiers’ employment situation.
BTW: A Google search turns up 574,000 hits for pizza delivery murder.
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Similar cases to this one have happened in NC with delivery drivers shooting robbers. Good for the deliver drivers.. Anyone put in harms way because of a robber ..in a life threating case.. should be able to protect themselves.. I mean what's the delivery driver gonna do ..call the police.. he may be shot dead by the time the robbery is over.. Good for the Pizza Hut delivery person...
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I thought the following quote was appropriate...
"If violent crime is to be curbed, it is only the intended victim who can do it. The felon does not fear the police, and he fears neither judge nor jury. Therefore what he must be taught to fear is his victim." - Jeff Cooper
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It's far better to be unemployed and alive, than buried in a big Pizza Hut box.
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I thought the following quote was appropriate...
"If violent crime is to be curbed, it is only the intended victim who can do it. The felon does not fear the police, and he fears neither judge nor jury. Therefore what he must be taught to fear is his victim." - Jeff Cooper
Amen, Great quote by a truly great man.
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Pizza Hut should hire him back with a raise cuz we all know they'd be saying "if only he had protected himself with his gun" had he been shot.
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Pizza Hut should hire him back with a raise cuz we all know they'd be saying "if only he had protected himself with his gun" had he been shot.
But they won't.
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Has anyone heard what the status of Spiers is? Tried Thursday and Friday to get through to Pizza Hut Customer Service, and ended up on hold for soooooooo long I gave up both times. It's another hour before I can try today, but I'm getting ready to go play.
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If I had a chance to talk to Ken, I would advise him to go tell Pizza Hut to POUND SAND!!! They don't give a crap about him or any of there employees! Go find a new job for a company that cares about there people. >:(
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A Des Moines pizza driver was suspended from his job after he shot an armed robber who put a gun to his head Thursday and demanded money. Link:http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080401/NEWS/80401028 (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080401/NEWS/80401028)
The suspect, Kenneth Jimmerson, 19, was arrested when he later called for medical help. Jimmerson, who police say suffered at least three gunshot wounds, survived his injuries and faces a first-degree robbery charge. Melanie Stout, 18, who allegedly called in the pizza order, is charged with conspiracy.
Spiers said it was the first time in 10 years on the job that he’d been a robbery victim.
“Anytime you’re involved in delivery, I suppose you’re an easy target,” he said.
Spiers, who has a valid handgun permit, said he’s been “pretty much in the dark” about his job since the incident. Vonnie Walbert, vice president of human resources at Pizza Hut’s corporate offices in Dallas, said last week that employees are not allowed to carry guns “because we believe that that is the safest for everybody.”
Which is more unreasonable: Spiers’ concern for his safety, or Pizza Hut’s lack of concern for it? Let Pizza Hut know where you stand. Call 1-800-948-8488 to offer your opinion on Spiers’ employment situation.
BTW: A Google search turns up 574,000 hits for pizza delivery murder.
Thank you,
Just phoned and left a message that it appears they are UN AMERICAN with their anti-consitution position.
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I got the following notice of a Friends of the NRA Meeting in Renton WA.
Dear NRA Member:
Hello. My name is Brendon Hill and I'm the NRA Field Representative for Western Washington. I'm writing to let you know about an exciting opportunity coming to your area.
NRA members are making a difference in their own communities and across the nation by getting involved in the Friends of NRA Program. This great program is building a foundation under the future of the shooting sports by supporting places and programs that bring in new shooters. Together we are changing the course of history and turning back the tide of misinformation against gun owners. If you ever wanted to do something to really make a difference, this is your chance!!
On Tuesday, April 15th we will hold an organizational meeting at 6:30 PM. The meeting will be at the Pizza Hut on Rainier Ave in Renton, Washington. This is a rare opportunity to meet NRA staff & learn how the NRA is working to help gun owners right here in Western Washington! We will explain the Friends of NRA program and how it will benefit your community. We are looking for a few dedicated NRA members to help the Friends of NRA event in your area. I hope that you will attend this important meeting. Be sure to bring a friend with you.
A Friends of NRA event is a night of fun and fellowship where gun owners come together to celebrate their hard-won right to keep and bear arms. Activities include dinner, live auction, games & special drawings for specially crafted NRA items, including limited edition firearms from respected manufacturers like Beretta, Remington, Ruger, Weatherby, Winchester, Savage and Kimber to name a few, limited edition wildlife artwork, high quality optics and much more.
This is your chance to make a difference. Please refer to the bottom of this letter. Make copies and help spread the word by telling other gun owners about this important meeting. With your help, we can get local gun owners on the team. I look forward to meeting you April 15th at the Pizza Hut in Renton!
Sincerely,
Brendon Hill
NRA Field Representative Western Washington
I wrote Brendon Hill an e-mail letting him know my displeasure with Pizza Hut and why I would not attend the meeting and got this response:
The Pizza Hut driver was only suspended and not fired. We can discuss at meeting-I side with Pizza Hut as a business he just opened them up to a ton of lawsuits-he should have told them he was carrying and they would have made a decision then-work there or not-but he had no right to spring it on them while on the clock. I've left jobs for that reason and kept a job when the boss encouraged concealed carry. This will make a great discussion-see you at the meeting. -B-
If you would like to voice you opinion drop Mr. Hill and note at bhill@nrahq.org
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First - I can understand Mr. Hill's response concerning breaking company rules and needing to work within the system. I have not seen anything from NRA or heard anything from anyone else as to what NRA's official stance is on this. It would be nice if someone from NRA would sit down with this driver and with the store owner and get both sides of the story, and then they could start coming out with some information for employees and employers to work these things out. Basically, this could be a good learning experience for everyone.
Second - I did get ahold of Pizza Hut yesterday and asked what the status was. The person I talked to was aware of the story, but said there was no information available, and the sound of her voice was like she wasn't really happy about getting questioned. She asked if I wanted to voice an opinion. I left my name and phone number along with a request that Pizza Hut give an update and stance as soon as possible.
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I thought the following quote was appropriate...
"If violent crime is to be curbed, it is only the intended victim who can do it. The felon does not fear the police, and he fears neither judge nor jury. Therefore what he must be taught to fear is his victim." - Jeff Cooper
I agree. I say WELL DONE to the delivery man.
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It's been over a month since I called Pizza Hut and they offered to keep me updated. Guess what? No word from them. Maybe it will just go away.
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That's what Pizza Hut wants
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I did hear on Tom Gresham's Gun Talk a couple of weeks back that the driver was eventually terminated for violating company policy. I hope Mr. Spiers is able to find employment at a better company.
-I'd rather be judged by twelve fired by one, than carried by six.
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It's been over a month since I called Pizza Hut and they offered to keep me updated. Guess what? No word from them. Maybe it will just go away.
I stopped ordering pizza from them because they kept hanging up on me when I tried to call in an order. Last time, I got hung up on 3 times in a row.
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The Pizza Hut's here have the nasty "NO GUN" signs up at all of their stores and instruct their driver's (in their personal vehicles) not to carry a firearm. I know this because one of my brothers is a manager at one here. I will not jepardise his job by speaking of his common carry practice but I truly feel that things would eventualy change if the big wigs had to deliver to some of the lovely places here in this city whether it be simply to stop making deliveries to these areas or a change of their policy. I know this will never happen, however and I stronly agree with everyone here when I say good for him.
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I know this is a complex and sticky situation, and I try to seperate two issues when I talk to Pizza Hut. However, I still have a problem with them - Their no guns policy.
I do not like the idea that a company will institue for either its customers or employees a no gun policy. These policies often do not stop at the front door, but also include all property (Phillips/Conoco that would not allow guns in vehicles in the parking lots). For this reason I will express my displeasure with Pizza Hut and its affiliates which are large and numerous.
The other side of the issue is that he did knowingly break company policy. Unfortunately it is hard to protest that one. He knew the rules and broke them. He had good reason, and the only reason he got caught was because he needed to defend himself. It is too bad that a company like this does not realize that it is not as simple as just handing over the cash.
I do hope that Mr. Spiers is able to find employment in a more fair setting. I also hope that he is able to use this experience as a way to change some of the policies. We all need to speak up about what is unfair and try to change things to a system of more common sense.
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M58 makes a good point. Thank god that one of the silly laws that would make it unlawfull to have a weapon in the vehicle on the parking lot of a "no gun" business has'nt been passed here (yet). It just amazes me still in this world we live in that the general public is much more afraid (and in some cases terrified) to be around a lawfull carring citizen than the thugs we all have aquired this license to protect ourselves and family against. I only know that sadly it will only get worse.
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The driver was, in fact, fired. Pizza Hut is apparently concerned about litigational exposure if they allow their employees to go armed while on company time. Sadly that's not an unreasonable fear in our litigious society. That being said, however, it is at best unfortunate that they have taken that stance.
As for me and mine, we are now exclusively customers of Pizza Ranch!!! (although they probably have the same assinine policy)
I feel SO blessed to have an employer who not only is aware that I carry during working hours, but actually ENCOURAGES me to do so!!
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The driver was, in fact, fired. Pizza Hut is apparently concerned about litigational exposure if they allow their employees to go armed while on company time. Sadly that's not an unreasonable fear in our litigious society. That being said, however, it is at best unfortunate that they have taken that stance.
As for me and mine, we are now exclusively customers of Pizza Ranch!!! (although they probably have the same assinine policy)
I feel SO blessed to have an employer who not only is aware that I carry during working hours, but actually ENCOURAGES me to do so!!
You are lucky. Where I work the Corporate rule is NO WEAPONS. even in vehicles. The policy at our facility is if you don't say anything how will they know. Other places I worked we used to bring our "new" rifles in and clean the cosmoline out in the parts washer ;D
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The policy where I work is carry is encouraged and if you don't have one they will provide.
I am self employed. ;D
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The policy where I work is carry is encouraged and if you don't have one they will provide.
I am self employed. ;D
And you work for a slave driver ;D
With your new Ishy I bet you wish you had access to my old company ;D
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And you work for a slave driver ;D
With your new Ishy I bet you wish you had access to my old company ;D
Sorry Tom, don't remember. What company was that?
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Sorry Tom, don't remember. What company was that?
The one with the big parts washer full of mineral spirits ;D Don't have that at the current job, our biggest part is 1/2 inch long. I used to make metal chips bigger than these parts. At least you don't break your foot if you drop a part ;D