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Member Section => NFA Items => Topic started by: tombogan03884 on October 24, 2008, 01:38:32 AM
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Does any one know if an aftermarket barrel is available that would allow mounting a suppressor on a High Point .45 ?
What about a shot gun suppressor ?
Just for the record I have not lost my mind ;D A guy I work with wants INEXPENSIVE home defense that will not blow out his ear drums. He shoots and has several nice guns but he isn't really a "Gun tinkerer" I was talking about suppressors and he started looking for a cheap way to do it legal.
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Try Silencertalk board....
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There is no cheap legal way to get a silencer! It is going to cost $200 for the stamp or whatever they call it plus the cost of the "can" plus the cost of the barrel.
Richard
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A old pop bottle work good on most....
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A old pop bottle work good on most....
2-liter bottle with fiberglass insulation and a tube-shaped piece of window screen to keep a hole clear in the middle. Price = FREE. With subsonc .22 LR all you hear is the bullet impact. Not that I know from personal experience. It would be illegal to make a suppresor. I would never do that.
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Tom, the hard part would be the barrel. I recently found out, that the older suppressors, like from Mac 10's are worthless against the modern stuff, and won't even be taken in, on trade, by dealers, they suggest calling ATFE, and getting permission to demill them. I'm sure, they could be had for 100 - 200 bucks, but still the transfer, 200 bucks after purchase would have to be done. After the appropriate background check, and sign off by the local constabulary. Finding an appropriate barrel that is longer and extends beyond the slide enough, might be a problem unless the factory offers one. Your friend is not going to get what he wants without some dough. Better off to get a good set of amplified hearing protectors to put on, as he grabs his weapon.
My 2 centavo's
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I remember a compression fitted, 2-L bottle-to-barrel adapter sold cheap at gun shows years back. I heard they worked well, if you could do without seeing your iron sights. Nothing beats a factory suppressor though, but $$$$$$. I figured it would cost a NC resident between 3-4K to get it done from scratch legally.
Mac.
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Hi Tom,
I have a suppressor for one of my subguns and I can vouch for what others have said: there really isn't a LEGAL, hassle-free, inexpensive option for a suppressor.
With that said, have him contact Jarvis. They make custom barrels for some of the more popular guns and maybe they can make one for his Hi-Point:
http://www.jarvis-custom.com/Home/tabid/35/Default.aspx
Jarvis, Inc.
1123 Cherry Orchard Loop
Hamilton, MT 59840
406.961.4392
He probably will discover that after he has traveled this road that the cost of the suppressor alone will be more than his pistol. And I think M25 has the right idea.
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Hi Tom,
I have a suppressor for one of my subguns and I can vouch for what others have said: there really isn't a LEGAL, hassle-free, inexpensive option for a suppressor.
With that said, have him contact Jarvis. They make custom barrels for some of the more popular guns and maybe they can make one for his Hi-Point:
http://www.jarvis-custom.com/Home/tabid/35/Default.aspx
Jarvis, Inc.
1123 Cherry Orchard Loop
Hamilton, MT 59840
406.961.4392
He probably will discover that after he has traveled this road that the cost of the suppressor alone will be more than his pistol. And I think M25 has the right idea.
To everyone who answered, Thank you. Your answers are pretty much in line with what I thought, First, the Tax stamp is more than the price of the pistol he wants to put it on ;D 2nd ) even paying under $200 for the pistol he's looking at over $700 when you add in tax stamp, suppressor, and barrel, I'm going to point out to him that he can get a pretty good set of hearing aids for that kind of money ;D
Again, Thanx, I knew I'd get good info from you guys.
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2-liter bottle with fiberglass insulation and a tube-shaped piece of window screen to keep a hole clear in the middle. Price = FREE. With subsonc .22 LR all you hear is the bullet impact. Not that I know from personal experience. It would be illegal to make a suppresor. I would never do that.
I think it is illegal for me to even read that.
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I think it is illegal for me to even read that.
It's only illegal if you are going to DO it. You can go to the public library and learn everything you need to build a crude A bomb in your cellar (getting the fissionable material is the most difficult part, the rest is fairly basic machining ) but that doesn't mean we are all going to start fishing with mini nukes ;D Otherwise it's just a theoretical exercise of technical possibilities. ;D
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If I did everything I know how to do I would be public enemy number one. Libraries and the internet are both full of information that could be used illegally. There are a few things I'd like to try as practical exercises but won't because I don't want the ATF, the FBI, and the rest of the alphabet after me. Making a suppresor is number 2 on the list of things I would like to do but won't because I'm afraid of getting caught. Number 1 would be cutting some more off my shotgun barrel and seeing how short I could make it and still have the gas operation work. I went from 28" to 19". It wouldn't work 100% with light target loads in the middle of winter after that, until I reamed the gas ports out just a hair. The next step if I could legally do it would be to cut it down to 13" and see if I can make it work. But once again governmental regulations trump scientific curiousity. Pesky sawed-off shotgun laws. It would still be 33" long and weigh around 8 pounds so I couldn't carry it concealed. I don't see what the big deal is but it could cost me everything I have and land me in prison until I'm old and gray if I tried it. We have way to many gun laws like that. It won't stop some criminal from making a sawed off shotgun 1/3 the size and killing people with it, but it stops me from doing something that doesn't hurt anyone, just to see if I can do it. I didn't mean to hijack the thread. I just get off topic all the time.
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If I did everything I know how to do I would be public enemy number one. Libraries and the internet are both full of information that could be used illegally. There are a few things I'd like to try as practical exercises but won't because I don't want the ATF, the FBI, and the rest of the alphabet after me. Making a suppresor is number 2 on the list of things I would like to do but won't because I'm afraid of getting caught. Number 1 would be cutting some more off my shotgun barrel and seeing how short I could make it and still have the gas operation work. I went from 28" to 19". It wouldn't work 100% with light target loads in the middle of winter after that, until I reamed the gas ports out just a hair. The next step if I could legally do it would be to cut it down to 13" and see if I can make it work. But once again governmental regulations trump scientific curiousity. Pesky sawed-off shotgun laws. It would still be 33" long and weigh around 8 pounds so I couldn't carry it concealed. I don't see what the big deal is but it could cost me everything I have and land me in prison until I'm old and gray if I tried it. We have way to many gun laws like that. It won't stop some criminal from making a sawed off shotgun 1/3 the size and killing people with it, but it stops me from doing something that doesn't hurt anyone, just to see if I can do it. I didn't mean to hijack the thread. I just get off topic all the time.
Curiosity only KILLED the cat. ;D
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Are you SURE that's all curiosity did to the cat? ??? :o
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Didn't get his possessions seized or his butt thrown in jail ;D
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Curiosity only KILLED the cat. ;D
NEVER! THE Cat is alive and kickin'! ;)
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NEVER! THE Cat is alive and kickin'! ;)
It must have been a different cat. :)
So what's a better bargain; getting a HK MK 23; or some other pistol with a threded barrel; or getting a Hi-Point and trying to find someone to make a custom barrel for it?
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With the Hi Point you'd have a one of a kind!
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Tell your buddy to forget about doing something illegal and think about this.
One gunshot registers about 145 decibles. Noise-induced hearing loss is usually permanent and progresses with each exposure so, while a single gunshot does irrparable damage, so does prolonged listening to rock music at high volumes in the car at 115-120 decibles. Hearing loss is like back injury, it's cumulative and will get progressivly worse if you do nothing to prevent it, we all have some loss either from our work environment or any number of Aerosmith, Pink Floyd, Lynard Skynard and dozens of other concerts I've seen since 1973...
Don't worry about it!
Tim
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I would suggest the Sig P220 Combat. It is .45 ACP, has raised night sights, and has a threaded barrel; all for 1K in the gun store.
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I did like Jumbo Frank suggests and suggested the HK, I did not know that Sig sold one with a threaded barrel.
But yes, I basically told him to forget doing it cheap with the High Point.
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Shot an HK USP Tactical with AAC Evo 45 can. Sweetest handgun I ever shot. Bar none.
If I can sell my 4 wheeler I'm getting that set up.
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I didn't know about the SIG with a threaded barrel either. No supressors allowed in my blue state anyway. Too bad. If I could have one I'd get it without selling my four-wheeler. I need more toys besides guns.