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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: tombogan03884 on February 05, 2013, 10:43:43 PM
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After reading here and other places I have come up with a basic course of action for the next election cycle including both 2014 and 2016 .
Step one is formation of a united front, for now we can call-it the TEA Party since that is closest to our objectives and already exists.
Step 2 is to purge all the secondary considerations. Abortion, taxes, guns, for campaign purposes none of it is relevant .
3rd is to focus on the only thing that matters, GET RID OF THE PROGRESSIVES .
The fact is that your opinion on abortion or spending, or border security are meaningless because you don't have the power to do anything about it politically, and generally haven't got organization, or guts enough to do anything effective by any other means.
And as long as the conservative movement keeps fighting its self over petty crap you never will have.
The answer is the formation of a coalition aimed only at unseating the progressives, replacing them with people bound to the law, and their oath to the Constitution.
Learn from the Russian revolution, the Bolsheviks were just one small party in a large coalition get the power first, settle the details afterwards.
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There are some who don't think we'll actually have a 2016 election. Or if we do and a Republican wins, that the the results will be tossed and martial law will be instituted.
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It's a possibility that has actually happened in other places like Ireland.
The thing to remember though is that while the IRA was killing and bombing they still had Sinn Fein working within the system.
It was that combination of carrot and stick that finally won freedom for the Irish Republic.
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Alf, I fear you are unfortunately correct.
Use just enough ammo to maintain your skills. Keep the remainder close at hand.
I weep for my country.
Crusader
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Sham election like last time.
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Sham election like last time.
Martin Luther King's "Peaceful" protests would not have been nearly as effective with out the Black Panthers hovering in the background.
Two pronged attack.
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Martin Luther King's "Peaceful" protests would not have been nearly as effective with out the Black Panthers hovering in the background.
Two pronged attack.
+1
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We need to keep Alf's thought in mind. I think it is possible, and the difference between prepared and paranoid won't be know for four years.
Can someone tell me what is going on with the massive restocking in the White House? It is common for the President to have the option (respectful submission of resignation giving the President opportunity to replace) replace staffers, but it seems like we are getting almost new everybody except Pres. and Vice Pres. ???
This morning I read in the local paper that one of his word smiths is heading for Hollywood.
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Not to throw gasoline on Bogan's fire, but I came across this photo of the new Secret Service attire:
(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e330/m58/285px-Philadelphia_polling_place_security_patrols_2008_zps6ce1323b.png)
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We need to keep Alf's thought in mind. I think it is possible, and the difference between prepared and paranoid won't be know for four years.
Can someone tell me what is going on with the massive restocking in the White House? It is common for the President to have the option (respectful submission of resignation giving the President opportunity to replace) replace staffers, but it seems like we are getting almost new everybody except Pres. and Vice Pres. ???
This morning I read in the local paper that one of his word smiths is heading for Hollywood.
It's like Y2K, if your prepared and nothing happens you're paranoid (With a lot of useful stuff in storage)
If your prepared and it does happen you're a "visionary".
If it happens and you didn't want to seem paranoid then you're dead.
Take your pick.
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I don't know where you guys have been but I've been trying to just focus on getting rid of the progressives since the first election I voted in 23 years ago. As previously stated so correctly by crusader "I weep for my country".
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The sheeple's culture has changed. Where's my free sh**? are the majority of the voters today. Corruption also plays a role. I agree that any RINO needs to be weeded out, social issues need to be ignored. Gay marriage, abortion, etc,.. play into Lib arguments. DON'T GO THERE!!!
Take the narrative and grow a set, or a potential third party is still a possibility.
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Take the narrative and grow a set, or a potential third party is still a possibility.
Think Libertarian, vote Tea Party until a Libertine becomes a likely candidate.
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In 1982, the GOP signed a consent decree with the Dems that promised they would no longer target minorities when looking for voter fraud. The old fart judge - a Jimmah appointee - who OK'd that decree has semi-retired. He works 1 day a year. Guess which day? The day the consent decree has to be renewed. The old fart is 88 years old. If the GOP wants to pursue voter fraud, they have to submit a plan to the judge to get his approval. Surprisingly ( :o ::) ), no plan has ever been approved!
The GOP appealed some years ago, trying to get the ban lifted. The judge they went before denied it. Guess what - the judge was a klintoon appointee.
So, basically, the Dems have free reign to commit all levels of vote fraud - remember precincts in Philly going 150% for bho without a single vote for Romney? - and the fix is in. The Dems at this point can't lose.
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Think Libertarian, vote Tea Party until a Libertine becomes a likely candidate.
If you actually know what a "Libertine" is you got my vote ;D
I don't know where you guys have been but I've been trying to just focus on getting rid of the progressives since the first election I voted in 23 years ago. As previously stated so correctly by crusader "I weep for my country".
It's why I keep saying, a Republican may be a scum bag, but he does not have the Democrats 160 year history of anti American actions behind him.
The objective can no longer be to get the "best" people in, it has to be getting the subversives out.
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Tom, you can't dump the "social (moral) issues". If you were successful, you'd have France.
You can keep sticking your thumb in a Christians eye, and we'll keep smiling at you, but we won't follow..
It's kinda like the hot dogs.. "We answer to a higher authority".. If you were to convince us to "step aside", it would be to allow you to pass as you charge into the paper shredder.. We're not going there..
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If you actually know what a "Libertine" is you got my vote ;D
Libertine, a free thinker, usually in religious matters. Comes from the middle english for freedman or freeman. Of late it is taken to mean one of poor moral character, not the definition I prefer.
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Tom, you can't dump the "social (moral) issues". If you were successful, you'd have France.
You can keep sticking your thumb in a Christians eye, and we'll keep smiling at you, but we won't follow..
It's kinda like the hot dogs.. "We answer to a higher authority".. If you were to convince us to "step aside", it would be to allow you to pass as you charge into the paper shredder.. We're not going there..
You most certainly will wind up in the shredder because you gave up your right to a say in order to push an agenda that most voters either don't give a crap about, or else they support your enemies.
If you can not set aside meaningless side issues to join forces with those who would agree with you on larger issues then you are probably to much of a pig headed bigot to deserve a voice anyway.
^The biggest separation of church and State is to make Spiritual choices based on Spiritual beliefs, and make secular decisions based on secular realities, and being able to tell the difference between the 2.
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... If you can not set aside meaningless side issues to join forces with those who would agree with you on larger issues then you are probably to much of a pig headed bigot to deserve a voice anyway.
And they say you're not a diplomat.. F*#k them, right??
^The biggest separation of church and State is to make Spiritual choices based on Spiritual beliefs, and make secular decisions based on secular realities, and being able to tell the difference between the 2.
This is easier than stepping on a cats tail, and you make a more interesting noise, too!!
Hate it for you, Tom.. I really do! Tough.. By the sound of your rant, you need me more than I need you.. Maybe you should be the one to consider "compromising" your faith?.. Nahhh. ::)
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And they say you're not a diplomat.. F*#k them, right??
This is easier than stepping on a cats tail, and you make a more interesting noise, too!!
Hate it for you, Tom.. I really do! Tough.. By the sound of your rant, you need me more than I need you.. Maybe you should be the one to consider "compromising" your faith?.. Nahhh. ::)
If you were right then Obama never would have been heard of.
No ones asking you to "compromise" any thing.
Just work with people who don't believe exactly as you do for a larger purpose, (that whole "religious freedom" thing)
in order to have a voice in the debate instead of just being a loudmouth outsider like your type have consigned all conservatives to being at the moment.
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You most certainly will wind up in the shredder because you gave up your right to a say in order to push an agenda that most voters either don't give a crap about, or else they support your enemies.
If you can not set aside meaningless side issues to join forces with those who would agree with you on larger issues then you are probably to much of a pig headed bigot to deserve a voice anyway.
^The biggest separation of church and State is to make Spiritual choices based on Spiritual beliefs, and make secular decisions based on secular realities, and being able to tell the difference between the 2.
CHRISTIAN! PIG!! DIE!!!
lets see. Meaningless? Pig headed bigot? I seem to remember something about deserving to lose my right to vote?
That makes you an open minded, tolerant patriot?
Am I getting that straight? ;)
Sounds to me like you're looking for allies on the wrong side here.. Bob Beckell, Obama, A-jad all echo the kind of sentiment you feel so deeply. Maybe you've found your coalition and just haven't realized it yet!
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CHRISTIAN! PIG!! DIE!!!
lets see. Meaningless? Pig headed bigot? I seem to remember something about deserving to lose my right to vote?
That makes you an open minded, tolerant patriot?
Am I getting that straight? ;)
Sounds to me like you're looking for allies on the wrong side here.. Bob Beckell, Obama, A-jad all echo the kind of sentiment you feel so deeply. Maybe you've found your coalition and just haven't realized it yet!
If you weren't, as I pointed out earlier, pig headed, you would have noticed that those people you mentioned have done something your self righteousness has failed miserably at.
They won.
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The claim of self-righteousness must have a foundation in one's belief in their own righteousness to the exclusion of God. The foundation of belief that righteousness is of God and to follow that is not self-righteousness.
Santahog...here we go, treated by conservatives like the crazy old uncle. You know...as conservative we complain about the RINO's taking us for granted and not standing up for principles....it's important to note that Christians will not be immune to that from those conservative who share many of our beliefs and who want to silence us.
We want to avoid being drawn into meaningless discussion with liberals on the most important issues of God, unborn life, etc. It's a trap if we go into something like that thinking we are prepared by preparing in advance for something like that.....be as wise as a serpent and as harmless as a dove. Not that we should not have discussion on such things....but when it is not meant to be a debate it's important to not play their game as some politicians have ineptly done because everything will be blown out of context to serve the liberal cause. I'm really ready to hear a politician tell some talking head they don't want to play the trap game and ask the talking head why they are intolerant liars. Leave at that and leave.
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Yes, you are treated like the retarded cousin because you cost us elections we would have otherwise won.
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Rastus, I'm good! I'm just pointing out that this is the ground I occupy. You know where to find me.. :)
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Yes, you are treated like the retarded cousin because you cost us elections we would have otherwise won.
A lack of moral compass and leadership lost the election. It's like the last governor of OK said concerning casinos, forget your principals and do what's right for OK...he was a lawyer, of course.
So no, I will not check my principals. They are the foundation and they will not be swayed.
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So, getting somewhat back on topic here...
We may never see another election.
Odamna's nominee for CIA director is apparently a mooslim convert. (see: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/343157) If he gets approved, and it is highly likely given the lack of spines seen in Congress of late, we would potentially have a direct pipeline of information to our sworn enemies.
I know, I know... He's not a "radical" mooslim who wants to behead everyone who's not mooslim. He's just a normal, good guy mooslim who only wants to behead the radical infidels and who just wants to enslave the others.
And Tom, this is why Christian values are so very important. We are already at war with those who would destroy us and we are not winning. The progressives were just the advance troops who just wanted our money and our guns. The mooslims want our heads.
I weep for my country,
Crusader Rabbit
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Yes, you are treated like the retarded cousin because you cost us elections we would have otherwise won.
Is this the guy whose favor and blessing we should seek to gain for our cause o Constitutional liberty?
I'm sure he'll help. Maybe Michael can ask him next time he sees him..
http://kdvr.com/2013/02/07/civil-unions-set-for-senate-debate-friday/
You never know! Allies can be found anywhere these days!
We live in plentiful times in that regard..
Okay.. I'm done with this one..
Have a good day..
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I will not flat out say that we will not have a Presidential Election in 2016, but I fear anything is possible and on the table.
As far as some of the discussion in recent posts:
1. Debates need to be held to focused and factual debate regardless of the games the other side plays;
2. Interviews need to give facts, and every lie or misinformation from the opposing side demands a stoppage and correction of statements;
3. We need to quit only looking at new programs, but also be willing to look back and undo bad choices enacted;
4. We need to openly state our foundational beliefs - Where our values come from: Our religious faith, our founding fathers, etc. Our faith is what grounds us, and without naming Scripture I will paraphrase: I would rather have a person grounded in ANY faith than acting on popular polls.
This nation was built, grown, and maintained by men of determination and resolve. They made tough choices, and they purposely built a system that gives no single individual or branch total power, and made sure there would be gridlock to slow things and avoid hast in legislation.
Short version:
Craft your list of issues from "drop dead" to "would be nice", and prepare to fight in priority with a take no prisoners attitude.
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I will not flat out say that we will not have a Presidential Election in 2016, but I fear anything is possible and on the table.
As far as some of the discussion in recent posts:
1. Debates need to be held to focused and factual debate regardless of the games the other side plays;
2. Interviews need to give facts, and every lie or misinformation from the opposing side demands a stoppage and correction of statements;
3. We need to quit only looking at new programs, but also be willing to look back and undo bad choices enacted;
4. We need to openly state our foundational beliefs - Where our values come from: Our religious faith, our founding fathers, etc. Our faith is what grounds us, and without naming Scripture I will paraphrase: I would rather have a person grounded in ANY faith than acting on popular polls.
This nation was built, grown, and maintained by men of determination and resolve. They made tough choices, and they purposely built a system that gives no single individual or branch total power, and made sure there would be gridlock to slow things and avoid hast in legislation.
Short version:
Craft your list of issues from "drop dead" to "would be nice", and prepare to fight in priority with a take no prisoners attitude.
That is exactly the one that needs to be dropped from campaigning .
Because the first one that comes up every single time is abortion, and in case none of you have noticed over the last 30 or 40 years that is YOUR "3rd Rail". The Dems use it to play you like a fish, and you never learn.
Do you hear the Dems campaigning for raising your taxes raising unemployment, exporting jobs and devastating the military ?
Wake up and pick the fights you can win .
How many times do I have to say it before it sinks in ?
Until you get into power your beliefs mean nothing .
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I know I am going to get ripped on this, but I will say it anyway:
Why not be willing to look back? It is better to die for principle than live for nothing!
I personally believe that abortion is nothing more than murder of a child. Today we not only allow it, but we allow it at an age where many children live outside the womb with no special treatment. Beyond all of that, we have turned abortion right up to the point of delivery as a form of birth control that is a basic human right and provided by both insurance and government for the irresponsible.
We are told that we can't outlaw abortion, because if we do women will go to the alleyways and die in crude procedures. Based on that reasoning the federal government should be handing out AR's to anybody who wants them, because if the government doesn't do it I will just go to a gun runner and buy one he stole from someone else.
When it comes to issues like this we need to control the message, and not allow the media or our opponents to control it. The last two Presidential cycles our candidates (Republican and Libertarian) would take a stance, the media and DFL would sound bite and twist it, and our candidates would not come back and fight. The clearest example of this was Gov. Romney and his 47% comment. The way this grabbed conversation was hacked it came out in a negative, and the Gov. did nothing to clarify or correct. He just cowered and hoped it would go away.
You want an actual case to compare? I am a member of a church with a very strong peace and non-resistance stance. We are a pacifist denomination, and teach non-resistance. Military service used to be named in the Constitution as out of step with Faith. I am well known as a gun guy, a self defense instructor, and a pro-Second Amendment person. I do not hide this, and I have spoken openly concerning how we should handle signage banning guns on our property (we do not). When my name came up to be Church Moderator (this is the position that runs all business within the church, and holds all committees, boards, and individuals accountable to the stance of the Church), I was approved by over 95%. The reason given to me by people that both agree and disagree with some of my stances is that I know where I stand, why I stand there, and I am consistent.
Conviction and consistency is what we need and lack!
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I didn't say don't do it.
I said quit making a losing campaign issue of it .
In fact I have said the same thing over and over in as many different ways as I can think of but it just doesn't seem to sink in.
You already have convictions, mostly at cross purposes , you also have consistency.
You consistently lose elections.
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I believe we lose elections because we don't stand strong. We flip flop, waffle, and tuck tail in a fight. Look what happened in the three debates last year: Gov. Romney came out hard and took control; in two he tempered his approach and let Pres. BHO back in the game; and in the third Pres. BHO took control and even touched the so called third rail of gun control. In the end we lost, and we lost because we wimped out and let them control the message on their terms.
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I believe we lose elections because we don't stand strong. We flip flop, waffle, and tuck tail in a fight. Look what happened in the three debates last year: Gov. Romney came out hard and took control; in two he tempered his approach and let Pres. BHO back in the game; and in the third Pres. BHO took control and even touched the so called third rail of gun control. In the end we lost, and we lost because we wimped out and let them control the message on their terms.
We didn't wimp out! The RINO's did what they do. They have a big fan club of wealthy and politically powerful friends who self-exhort one another into believing they are the finest of leaders of the nation.....when actually they are foolish "children" who play by the rules and get spanked because they don't know how to deal with outright liars and cheats and, to coin an MB statement "think they are in a debate" when it never was a debate. We're are losing a nation because of it.
The first George Bush would have been re-elected had at the first debate he just strode across the podium and demanded that Bill Clinton tell the American people who he spoke to in the Soviet Union and what did he talk about and that there would be no discussion until Clinton came clean....and then walked off the stage. That's how to play the "game" with liars and cheats....drop a dime and walk away....control the "debate".
If this nation ever comes back it won't be because RINO's led the change and if it does come back they can never be allowed to be in charge of anything again.
This nation will never come back if there is not a strong Christian moral foundation in it's leaders. We see what the lack thereof has brought and we have the example of Europe to confirm this.
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Things are indeed looking scary. If or when the balloon goes up each of us will have to decide for him / herself what they are going to do. I made my decision awhile back.
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I made my decision, along with my will, during the Clinton administration.