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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: tombogan03884 on January 17, 2009, 10:43:14 AM
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As I posted in another thread according to what I have seen , it's legal to build your own guns from scratch if they are not otherwise restricted, and are not for sale. The other post simply dealt with machining parts. This link involves a gentleman in England. BE SURE to read the section about his parole hearing, this type of "Law" must NEVER be allowed in America.
www.thehomegunsmith.com
Note, I got busy reading about Mr. Lundy's legal experience and never got around to checking out his firearms, as stated above manufacture of fully automatic, short barreled or other NFA weapons IS NOT legal.
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Note, I got busy reading about Mr. Lundy's legal experience and never got around to checking out his firearms, as stated above manufacture of fully automatic, short barreled or other NFA weapons IS NOT legal.
You sure about that? I thought there was a court case that went pretty high up (SCOTUS maybe?) that said NFA only applied to weapons moved across state line in commerce. I remember it was exactly this kind of situation. Guy who was a machinist built a machine gun. So he won.
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You sure about that? I thought there was a court case that went pretty high up (SCOTUS maybe?) that said NFA only applied to weapons moved across state line in commerce. I remember it was exactly this kind of situation. Guy who was a machinist built a machine gun. So he won.
No, I'm not sure. Any one planning to do this would be wise to check with a lawyer or the ATF.
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You sure about that? I thought there was a court case that went pretty high up (SCOTUS maybe?) that said NFA only applied to weapons moved across state line in commerce. I remember it was exactly this kind of situation. Guy who was a machinist built a machine gun. So he won.
No, I'm not sure. Any one planning to do this would be wise to check with a lawyer or the ATF.
To be sure consult a lawyer specializing in the Class 3 world before making a machine gun for yourself. My understanding is that one has to be a Class 2 manufacturer in order to make one. Also, one can call or write the BATF for an answer, but I would definitely dot my i's and cross my t's before going ahead with that project.....
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I absolutely agree that if the fun of building a machine gun at home comes with being the roomie of a large man with tattoos I would just go back to watching the NY Giants football. :) Consult "a" lawyer should be consult a couple of lawyers! But that being said I found the case I referenced on another forum. This is the one from just a couple of years ago that I was thinking about...
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=102402&highlight=circuit+and+machine
You can see from the thread that this discussion was all pre-Heller. Only a lawyer could figure out what the final call was...
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I absolutely agree that if the fun of building a machine gun at home comes with being the roomie of a large man with tattoos I would just go back to watching the NY Giants football. :) Consult "a" lawyer should be consult a couple of lawyers! But that being said I found the case I referenced on another forum. This is the one from just a couple of years ago that I was thinking about...
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=102402&highlight=circuit+and+machine
You can see from the thread that this discussion was all pre-Heller. Only a lawyer could figure out what the final call was...
This and the other thread I posted were NOT specifically directed toward building "machine guns". As I said, I got side tracked reading about Mr. Lundy's parole problems and neglected to check WHAT he was building. The other thread has instructions on MACHINING from scratch, your own receivers for 1911, AR's 15 and 10, and other perfectly legal firearms.
Personally I've always thought it would be cool to have a series of firearms that I could point to and say "Yes , I built those".
Then your venison stew really IS from scratch ! ;D (except for breeding the deer )
While others DEFINITELY disagree with with me, I've long felt that full auto ownership was too expensive in ammo, and aggravation for something that in civilian hands is really no more than a toy. I'm not talking about throwing them under the "gun control" bus here, most of you are aware of my no compromise attitude toward the 2nd A, but really, from a working man's perspective what are you going to do with it ? 650 rounds per minute equals 32 1/2 boxes of ammo, There goes the mortgage payment ;D Home defense ? Any anti gun Prosecutor that got his hands on that would have a.. let's just say he would be VERY VERY happy ;D Hunting ? with a SMG, BAR, or belt fed ? Hope you like hamburg. ;D As for the last 2 weight is also a factor. No, My OPINION is that I would prefer to spend my limited funds and energies on something I can use for multiple purposes, and actually AFFORD to shoot, not something that will sit in the safe until TEOTWAWKI.
I know some of you are in a financial position that allows other opinions. Congrats to you and if we meet at the range I will probably ask to take some pictures.
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Personally I've always thought it would be cool to have a series of firearms that I could point to and say "Yes , I built those".
Then your venison stew really IS from scratch ! ;D
Comment of the day award!
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There is always this.....
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=3436.0
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That was fast Eric, I was barely done typing and you had 2 comments up. WOW ! ;D
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... but really, from a working man's perspective what are you going to do with it ?
Zombie control!
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While others DEFINITELY disagree with with me, I've long felt that full auto ownership was too expensive in ammo, and aggravation for something that in civilian hands is really no more than a toy.
This is true; it's just like those I see buying a $16K+ Harley Davidson. Given the amount of money, there are more practical alternatives.
I'm not talking about throwing them under the "gun control" bus here, most of you are aware of my no compromise attitude toward the 2nd A, but really, from a working man's perspective what are you going to do with it ? 650 rounds per minute equals 32 1/2 boxes of ammo, There goes the mortgage payment ;D
There's always that selector switch, Tom..... ;)
Home defense?
Granted, where you live is important. In Florida if they are in your house (Castle Doctrine), you can hose them with a Ma Duce if you want. A SMG with a can or an AR with a can is not a bad alternative also.....But even I use a shotgun and pistol for home defense.
Congrats to you and if we meet at the range I will probably ask to take some pictures.
I'll even let you shoot mine and I'll take pictures of you doing it! ;D If you ever get the chance, at least get a Thompson or a M-16. As far as investments go, they will always be a good one. Believe me, I understand where you are coming from. It's all a matter of preferences.
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"I'll even let you shoot mine and I'll take pictures of you doing it! Grin If you ever get the chance, at least get a Thompson or a M-16. As far as investments go, they will always be a good one. Believe me, I understand where you are coming from. It's all a matter of preferences."
Thanks, I'll pay for the Ammo. (Short bursts ;D )
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There is always this.....
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=3436.0
Here are the links
http://www.1911patriotcop.us/class.htm
http://www.patriotcustoms.com/
Fusion has kits also
http://www.fusionfirearms.com/
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If I had a shop and was going to "build my own" I would want to start with lumps of metal, You would still have to buy the barrel and springs, but even the screws and pins can be made in any machine shop the has a lathe and milling machine. CNC machines make the job go faster but you can do all the processes on an ordinary Bridgeport. I think that would be VERY cool.Thts the kind of stuff that got me into machining in the first place.
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If I was going to build anything do do with weapons, it would be silencers for fully automatic weapons. Get the FFL and then call up FN for a SCAR.
I would also make a .22 cal magazine fed gattling gun that you could drop in a box of 50 rounds and it would load them for you. I saw the exact machine that I would pattern it off of in Easton, PA. It was at the Crayola factory and it sorted the caps and positioned them the right way into the loader to put them on the end of the marker. When I saw it, the first thing I thought was ammo feeder.
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If I was going to build anything do do with weapons, it would be silencers for fully automatic weapons. Get the FFL and then call up FN for a SCAR.
I would also make a .22 cal magazine fed gattling gun that you could drop in a box of 50 rounds and it would load them for you. I saw the exact machine that I would pattern it off of in Easton, PA. It was at the Crayola factory and it sorted the caps and positioned them the right way into the loader to put them on the end of the marker. When I saw it, the first thing I thought was ammo feeder.
There is a company that markets kits and or plans for .22 cal replicas of historic machine guns. I've seen the ads in Shot gun News. They have the Gatling as well as Browning .30 and .50 cals , both air cooled and water cooled. ;D