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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Hazcat on May 03, 2010, 09:41:13 AM
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NEW YORK, April 29 (UPI) -- Seven in 10 U.S. adults support arresting people who can't prove they're in the United States legally, a poll about Arizona's new immigration law indicated.
The Angus Reid Public Opinion poll of 1,002 American adults asked respondents if they'd want four guidelines in Arizona's immigration law enacted in their own state.
The law, the nation's toughest, seeks to identify, prosecute and deport illegal immigrants and gives police broad powers to stop people on suspicion of being in the United States illegally.
Seventy-one percent of poll respondents said they'd support requiring their own police to determine people's U.S. status if there was "reasonable suspicion" the people were illegal immigrants, the poll found.
An equal percentage supported arresting those people if they couldn't prove they were legally in the United States.
Almost two-thirds, or 64 percent, said they believed immigration hurt the United States, with nearly six in 10, or 58 percent, saying illegal immigrants took jobs away from American workers, the poll found.
When asked about solving the status of illegal immigrants, 45 percent said undocumented workers should be required to leave their jobs and be deported, the poll found.
Sixteen percent said those people should be allowed to continue working on a temporary basis and 28 percent supported letting them to stay and apply for U.S. citizenship.
Respondents in the U.S. Midwest were more likely than those in other areas to express a desire to deport illegal immigrants, the poll found
The online poll, taken April 22-23, has a margin of error of 3.1 percent.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=upiUPI-20100429-074054-5592&show_article=1
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Haz I know you had only good intentions when posting but this crap really burns me.
NEW YORK, April 29 (UPI) -- Seven in 10 U.S. adults support arresting people who can't prove they're in the United States legally, a poll about Arizona's new immigration law indicated. quote]
No no NO! >:( That is not at all what the legislation stipulates. They are not going to hunt down an harrass any hispanic looking person they see. They are going to ask criminals for proof of citizenship. CRIMINALS, not everyday law abiding people. You want to remain an illegal alien in the state of AZ don't break the law and you won't get deported, its as simple as that. Polls like this fuels the nonsense that this is horrific racist legislation and it is not. There is very precise wording within the bill that will prohibit any such thing.
In other relevant news Mexicans are not the only illegal aliens in the state of AZ. The law does not target hispanics! If you are Dutch, Italian, Korean, Spanish, Austrian, Czech, Serb or other and commit crimes in the state of AZ you will be asked to prove that you are citizen. Failure to do so will result in deportation.
I just cannot stand the twisting that is going on regarding this law. Oh snap we are going to deport criminals :o what a fresh idea, I mean nobody has ever done this sort of thing before!
OK rant mode off, I'm done...
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When do they plan on closing the borders, immigration laws have been on the books for years. If you beleve Obama and crew will enfoce anything they say then I have a big long bridge to sell you. How many more millions of low level labors do we have to support and for what greedy business to skip paying taxes and leave us holding the bill. Jail employers that hire illegals and I hope every state adopts AZ new law, Screw Chamber of "Commerce and Farm Bureau in my state that support illegals.
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Haz I know you had only good intentions when posting but this crap really burns me.
NEW YORK, April 29 (UPI) -- Seven in 10 U.S. adults support arresting people who can't prove they're in the United States legally, a poll about Arizona's new immigration law indicated. quote]
No no NO! >:( That is not at all what the legislation stipulates. They are not going to hunt down an harrass any hispanic looking person they see. They are going to ask criminals for proof of citizenship. CRIMINALS, not everyday law abiding people. You want to remain an illegal alien in the state of AZ don't break the law and you won't get deported, its as simple as that. Polls like this fuels the nonsense that this is horrific racist legislation and it is not. There is very precise wording within the bill that will prohibit any such thing.
In other relevant news Mexicans are not the only illegal aliens in the state of AZ. The law does not target hispanics! If you are Dutch, Italian, Korean, Spanish, Austrian, Czech, Serb or other and commit crimes in the state of AZ you will be asked to prove that you are citizen. Failure to do so will result in deportation.
I just cannot stand the twisting that is going on regarding this law. Oh snap we are going to deport criminals :o what a fresh idea, I mean nobody has ever done this sort of thing before!
OK rant mode off, I'm done...
Joe,
Where do you see anything about Hispanics in the article? It says "if there was "reasonable suspicion" the people were illegal immigrants, the poll found."
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"In other relevant news Mexicans are not the only illegal aliens in the state of AZ."
Of course not, but it serves as acceptable verbal shorthand, since we are no longer allowed to use the more accurate "Wet back".
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"In other relevant news Mexicans are not the only illegal aliens in the state of AZ."
Of course not, but it serves as acceptable verbal shorthand, since we are no longer allowed to use the more accurate "Wet back".
As in "Operation Wet Back" circa 1954ish?
FQ13 who is going straight to hell. ;D
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As in "Operation Wet Back" circa 1954ish?
FQ13 who is going straight to hell. ;D
Exactly, any one who crosses the river is (in theory ) a "Wet back" regardless of their point of origin.
years ago I met 2 girls from NZ who had overstayed their Visa's.
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My problem is the article is misleading.
"Seven in 10 U.S. adults support arresting people who can't prove they're in the United States legally,"
That is not how the law is written. The police will not arrest anyone for not being able to prove citizenship, they will deport them after an arrest has been made. The way the article is written re-enforces the belief that the police will hunt down people and demand papers. If that was the case I would whole heartedly be against even the thought of this kind of legislation.
"Seventy-one percent of poll respondents said they'd support requiring their own police to determine people's U.S. status if there was "reasonable suspicion" the people were illegal immigrants."
Thanks I needed another reason to be depressed. Thats scary, down right repluslive BS. I don't want my government stopping anyone and asking for proof of citizenship for any reason ever!
The poll was misleading, the article provides the kind of fuel to ignite the racism fire that is taking over because of this legislation when at its core it was only meant to deal with criminals and nothing more. We need to be more aware of what we vote on and for because we just handed the left side a smoking gun.
Good people ought to be armed with the truth and freedom.
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BBBean, The illegal aliens are minor compared to the REAL issue at stake here .
We have elected a Govt that REFUSES to secure our borders.
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BBBean, The illegal aliens are minor compared to the REAL issue at stake here .
We have elected a Govt that REFUSES to secure our borders.
Thats been the case since the Immigration Act of 1965 which set aside preferences for European (eg culturally homgenousnations) and just opened it up to national quotas and made "family reunification" a priority. This isn't me being racist either, hell neither the Italians, the Poles or the Irish, or the Laplanders or other Finns ( ??? ??? ???) were regarded as white back in the day. Its just that post this (Ted Kennedy sponsored Act) we haven't been able to exersise discretion as to which country's immigrants would best serve OUR national interest, rather, we just play firt come first sered by national quota. Am I crazy, racist or evil fronm thinking I'd rather have immigrants from Ireland, the UK, Oz, NZ, or Canada then anywhere else based on language and culture? Is it wrong to then prefer those of Western Europe, Japan, Singapore, Hong Kong and Vietnam along with Argentina and Chile for the same reasons?
FQ13 who is no one's racist, but would like to remind folks that it was the disgusting amount of racism in the US in the early sixties, the Soviet's gleeful and useful exploitation of this to score PR points, and our own lemming like desire to be PC, even after the racism has been addressed, that leads to an open border.
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Thats been the case since the Immigration Act of 1965 which set aside preferences for European (eg culturally homgenousnations) and just opened it up to national quotas and made "family reunification" a priority. This isn't me being racist either, hell neither the Italians, the Poles or the Irish, or the Laplanders or other Finns ( ??? ??? ???) were regarded as white back in the day. Its just that post this (Ted Kennedy sponsored Act) we haven't been able to exersise discretion as to which country's immigrants would best serve OUR national interest, rather, we just play firt come first sered by national quota. Am I crazy, racist or evil fronm thinking I'd rather have immigrants from Ireland, the UK, Oz, NZ, or Canada then anywhere else based on language and culture? Is it wrong to then prefer those of Western Europe, Japan, Singapore, Hong Kong and Vietnam along with Argentina and Chile for the same reasons?
FQ13 who is no one's racist, but would like to remind folks that it was the disgusting amount of racism in the US in the early sixties, the Soviet's gleeful and useful exploitation of this to score PR points, and our own lemming like desire to be PC, even after the racism has been addressed, that leads to an open border.
Trust me you wouldnt want to allow poms or new zealanders in ;), canandians hmmmm 50/50, aussies of course are the exception, and preference should be given to those wanting to bring in their own firearms and agree that Obama is a turd.
just saying is all...
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I hope I am as understood as I think I am. :P
I can understand the powerful, emotional side of the argument, I can understand that people are fleeing for their lives and seeking refuge, I get it. BUT running from a problem doesn't fix it. I have met some very intellegent and influential Mexican immigrants. They came here seeking the American dream and did so mostly because they could not achieve this in their home land. My problem is that they don't choose to correct that issue, they flee here and utilize a system that I for one don't believe we deserve or should have and elevate themselves. I would never detract from the betterment of a person but why not take that same passion and apply it to your country? Why can't Mexico become the next great super power? If half of the people that attempt an escape from Mexico invested that same time and energy in bettering their own country it would happen.
A perfect example of this is Italy. How many times has it been the greatest nation in the world? How many times was the red sea been nothing but an Italian lake? How much of our culture is influenced by that perseverance? Everytime the country collapsed it picked itself right back up again. That could not have happened if the people there didn't care and relied on the rest of Europe to fix their country. I don't understand how you can care so little for your heritage. How you can leave behind your neighbors, friends and family and decide that you are going to make it on your own and send back what you can. Worse you are going to make it thanks to the charity of others and send that back. For what? To be spend where?
Mexico has the resources, it could be a great place, instead it is abandoned. In that context I do not feel pity for those fleeing. I don't feel sorry for the families that are split up, or the lives that are lost. It is done under a flag of greed, of self importance. My grandmother (bless her southern heart) had a saying. "Put out a bird feeder and you always get squirrels."
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To answer your questions about Italian greatness, the answer is never, the Romans achieved Greatness.
The Italian Nation has never been anything more than a 2nd rate country propped up by the Church and Romes reputation.
They seldom even finish a war on the same side they started on.
Also, Rome was more or less a ghost town for several centuries during the Dark ages . Rome is truly dead. It does not live on in the nation that now occupies that space any more than the Glories of the Arab world survived the coming of Islam.
NH native, and Revolutionary war General John Stark (Live Free or Die ) helped found the City of Manchester by hacking a clearing out of virgin Forest about 250 years ago, since then, we have gone from that primitive beginning to walking on the Moon.
Where have the Mexicans gone ? East LA.
In 400 years of continuous settlement We built a fair and Prosperous society that is the envy of most of the world.
In 600 years since Spaniards first arrived in Mexico they have built a culture of Corruption based on oppression and laziness that makes their statehood a joke.
I have seen this with Massholes moving up here, You will not exert a good influence that will bring Mexico to our level.
What will happen is they will reduce our country to a 3rd world shithole like they left.
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Well put tombogan!
I don't see any other way to stop it, other than getting tough and CLOSING the borders on the ILLEGALS!
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The media however, does not:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2010/05/06/mrc-study-12-1-abc-cbs-and-nbc-rip-arizonas-immigration-law
By 12 to 1, ABC, CBS, and NBC Rip Arizona's Immigration Law
The tone was strongly hostile to the law and promotional to the "growing storm" of left-wing protesters: 37 stories (or 74 percent) were negative, 10 were neutral, and only three were positive toward the Arizona law's passage -- 12 negative stories for every one that leaned positive.