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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: santahog on December 07, 2012, 07:45:50 PM
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I want a beer that doesn't taste like soda water, (American beer) and doesn't taste like all hops, or "Hoppes", (aka Reichelbrau)..
I'm looking for something with a hint of lemon, a little thicker than the tap water of the first example but not like Guinness or that business. I love a dark beer but the vast majority are just too bitter for my taste..
I'm looking for suggestions.. (No Shipyard, please..)
(I balked at beer when Bud cost $3.50 a Six Pack. Now it cost twice that much.. I don't mind, if it's worth drinking.. Thoughts?)
Here's a little music to help the process along..
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Beer! Such a delicate question...
Lemony? Not my style but, there are several that come to mind that are not stouts that have a pleasant taste that's not IPA hoppy.
You're in the south so some may not be available but several Sam Adams seasonal are available now. I like Winter Lager but it's not fruity! I love the Oktoberfest from several brewers.
If you're not a stout kind of beer guy, try a porter! They're malty, have a lot of balance of the heavier stouts without the heavy, thick mouth feel and no where near the bitterness. Available nationally are Siera Nevada Porter, Anchor Steam Porter, a few Sam Adams and countless other lesser known brewers!
Keep in mind that small batch beer is much like wine! It needs to be kept cool and horizontal!
I've grown to really enjoy nearly everything available from Dog Fish Head Beer Co. out of Delaware. Really good stuff IMO!
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Have you tried Newcastle? Don't think it is lemony, but it's somewhere between what we call beer here and Guinness. Brewed in England someplace.
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FQ will have an answer for you.
He's a beer snob.
Have you tried Newcastle? Don't think it is lemony, but it's somewhere between what we call beer here and Guinness. Brewed in England someplace.
Anywhere near Newcastle ? ;D
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Newcastle is a passable brown ale but there are countless better beers available domestically that outshine Newcastle! Just takes a bit of experimentation and thankfully, several package stores here where I live will let you chose 6 different beers in a single sixer that give you some choices in your search.
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Go to the local bar. Ask them for one from the tap. Keep trying until you find what you like or run out. When you run out, go to a bar with more tap choices.
It's Beer!!! Cold! Cold beer and some salty snacks!
I work with a beer snob. It has been almost six months, and we have been to three conventions together. I am so sick and tired of analyzing beer. If you like one, buy it and drink it. Quit interrupting rants on BHO, or other important conversations with "oooooo, this is hoppy."
Best alternative to cold in a can or bottle is warm with cold hot dogs surrounded by the smell of burning rubber ...... Ahhhhhh the old bracket racing days ;D
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General rule of thumb with beer from an admitted snob of the hops! If it has a twisty cap, pour it into the toilet! It's not worth drinking!
Draft beer from a system that hasn't been cleaned recently is disgusting! Avoid it... having worked in a bar for near a decade, the beer lines never get sanitized on a regular basis! YUK!
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Best alternative to cold in a can or bottle is warm with cold hot dogs surrounded by the smell of burning rubber ...... Ahhhhhh the old bracket racing days ;D
Okay, now that's a different animal.. I don't even drink beer at the races because it's too damn hot. It's just good for a headache and time out while the BAL gets back into driving range..
Going to a bar works if you live in a college town.. I'm in Alabama.. One of those "Things you'll never hear a redneck say.. "On second thought, make it a Zima" places, here..
As for Porter.. I was that word for the first time yesterday.. I went to WalMart to get some beer, got four kinds, (+ a case of carbonated water/Bud Light). Didn't know what it was so I passed.. Got a couple of new Mic variants that they weren't making the last time I looked at beer. The first one is "Lager" I'm about three swigs into it and I'm not impressed.. 5 more beers that I'm not impressed with.. The wife won't even wash her hair in the stuff because she never heard of it and she will just barely eat something that I've cooked if she knows it has wine in it.. I don't have enough hair to warrant that kind of treatment anymore, myself..
I remembered that I like Rolling Rock, sp I picked up a six of that.. I don't remember what else I got in there.. I'm sure it will all be a let down.. :(
I'm drinking it to "assist" the stuff I'm taking for my back.. It may as well be worth drinking though!!!
I'll try the Porter stuff the next time I pass by it..
I've actually seen beer that suggest a "lemony" taste. I used to deal with alot of science in food. That's where the idea came from, waaaay back then. I'm glad someone else got the idea. I had some home-brew one time that was EXACTLY what I had in mind.. I tried to get him to tell me, (best friend, of course..) He wouldn't do it.. That sucker... It turns out he makes it from a kit and he doesn't know anything more than that.. I'm not sure home brew is even acceptable here. The warmer climates seem more concerned with things like that than the colder ones, for some reason.. I've never looked seriously at the prospects of it. Perhaps I should, huh..
Keep em comin', boys!! ;D
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Try Shock Top or Blue Moon. Both are citrusy and fuller than the average beer.
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By the way, if someone talks you into Blue Moon make sure nobody puts an orange in it!
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By the way, if someone talks you into Blue Moon make sure nobody puts an orange in it!
Sorry.. I have to ask "Why?"..
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Give Shiner Bock a try. Full flavored, but not overpowering. At least it used to be. I quit drinking a while ago.
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Stella Artois - probably available at the supermarket, my favourite 'lager'
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Sorry.. I have to ask "Why?"..
Orange is for breakfast, and beer is for ... well let's just say they don't belong in the same glass.
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try rollin' your own. you dial in the taste and make taste like anything you want. also much cheaper than store bought. you can buy the wort in a can (Coopers etc..) or buy the grains and malt them yourself. the best advice I can give is to be sure you have good yeast and keep everything super clean.
deep
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RYO would be a good idea except that after February, I won't be doing it anymore, (I don't suppose). At least, not on a regular enough basis to care. I'm drinking a couple before I go to bed because I've got an out-of-control kinda messed up back. The stuff they're giving me for it isn't up to the recently updated challenge.. (Scheduled for surgery on Valentines Day.) I'm hoping at least, that after this trip to the OR, I won't be hurting like I am anymore..
I'll try some of the stuff mentioned when what I have runs out, I guess.
I tried a Stella at the local expensive voguish pizza joint, last year, actually. I'd forgotten about that. It wasn't bad, as I recall..
Thanks guys..
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Two recommendations: Try heffeweizen (spelled forty different ways), a wheat beer that often is paired with lemon flavor. Google your preferences in taste and see what pops up. In states that allow department stores to sell beer and wine, like VA but not MD, Costco and Super Target often have a good selection of back curing beers. But like all good things, don't ask your doctor first!
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try rollin' your own. you dial in the taste and make taste like anything you want. also much cheaper than store bought. you can buy the wort in a can (Coopers etc..) or buy the grains and malt them yourself. the best advice I can give is to be sure you have good yeast and keep everything super clean.
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Listen to this dude! I've sampled some, and he knows of what he speaks. There is a cat that is awol at this time that is very good as well.
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... Costco and Super Target often have a good selection of back curing beers. But like all good things, don't ask your doctor first!
If you've suffered for any real length of time, you've discovered the number of Drs, (and sage advisers) who never needed to "heal themselves".. I always ask for the oldest, grouchiest Dr on staff. They generally have a personal reason to be there beyond the pay, it seems..
Begin rant..
I'm happy for folks who have never really hurt, or really experienced the "top of the pain scale", but those folks can be pretty petty and useless, (at best) for folks who, for whatever reason, have to kinda live there..
I was young once.. I did all the stupid stuff that most all of us did.. I grew up.. I've got a couple of sisters who seek out acquaintances with back or dental pain, to beg or steal pain pills. (One 57, one 60 years old!!!) They both stole from my mother the stuff when she was alive.. They both seek position to lighten my load on the pills for my back.. I can't have a relationship that allows them entrance into my house.. It's piss poor-sad..
Both many Drs and those professional "sage advisers" who never really hurt more than maybe a toothache or a broken rib think that the rest of us are those guys like my sisters..
I've always tried to be honest, sometimes beyond the point of discretion, to everybody.. It's a thing of mine.. Trust works both ways.. It annoys me more than I can say in mixed company to be treated like a common POS who lies when their lips move, to the singular end and agenda of a buzz..
A clear head is a treasure when you have to fight to have one, but the kind of suffering that comes from things that you just can't help need not be..
(I recently had someone brush up against that raw nerve of ignorance (aka sage advice) of how blessed and relatively pain free their relatively charmed lives really are.. It happens.. Those holy noses just get so very long sometimes..)
End rant..
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Try Shock Top or Blue Moon. Both are citrusy and fuller than the average beer.
I'll second both of those.
Hefeweizen - is all I drank when stationed in Germany (West that is...) always served with lemon in it and most of the time a few grains of rice to keep it bubbling all the time.
Still good stuff.
Shiner Bock is awesome but no longer available up here in Idaho.... too bad.
I like Sam Adams light.... heavier than normal beer but lighter than a full Sam...
Also try this, not lemon though. Get a Pumpkin ale some raw sugar and pumpkin spice - mix sugar and spice together and coat glass rim like they do and then beer inside glass.
Great for fruu fruu party's and tasted DAMN good.
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I'll second both of those.
Hefeweizen - is all I drank when stationed in Germany (West that is...) always served with lemon in it and most of the time a few grains of rice to keep it bubbling all the time.
Still good stuff.
Shiner Bock is awesome but no longer available up here in Idaho.... too bad.
I like Sam Adams light.... heavier than normal beer but lighter than a full Sam...
Also try this, not lemon though. Get a Pumpkin ale some raw sugar and pumpkin spice - mix sugar and spice together and coat glass rim like they do and then beer inside glass.
Great for fruu fruu party's and tasted DAMN good.
Not to mention the "coolness points" you earn mixing it . ;D
Personally I'd rather be castrated with a rock than drink "Pumpkin Beer".
But that's just me, I don't like squash either. ;D
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Lots of really great beers out there waiting to be tested and tasted.
If you want something a bit fruity and not bitter, try Leinenfeld Sunset Wheat. It is a wheat-based beer with hints of blueberry. Quite tasty. Same company also makes a Shandy, a beer flavored with lemon. But it's usually available just during the summer months.
For something with a bit more flavor than most American beer, you might try Michelob Amber Bock. It is a light brown beer, but not at all overwhelming or bitter. You might find it meets your needs if you squeeze a bit of lemon into the glass.
Good luck dealing with the back pain. It's never any fun. I've had both hips replaced and my doc told me how much my life would change when the pain was finally gone. It's like some great weight pressing you down and it impacts everything you do and even what you think--especially personal relationships. He was right. Once the pain is finally gone, it's almost a re-birth. So much gets better so quickly.
You're in my prayers, my friend.
Crusader
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I can't help you pick out a beer because most of them weren't around when I drank beer, but I sympathise with anyone with a bad back. I just went to the doctor and told him it hurt worse than when I broke my ribs. His answer is to apply moist heat. WTH? He also told me to quit drinking but I'm self medicating because he won't give me anything. I'm taking lots of aspirin and drinking mixed drinks, and hoping my stomach doesn't start bleeding. I already get heartburn way to often. So yeah, I can relate.
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There's a San Francisco micro brewery, Limp wrist Lager.
I don't know if it's citrus, but it's certainly "fruity" . ;D
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There's a San Francisco micro brewery, Limp wrist Lager.
I don't know if it's citrus, but it's certainly "fruity" . ;D
What did on SF micro brew "fruity" say to the other?
Here - let me push in......your stool :o
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CR, Frank, I'd say "thank you more than you know", but you do know, so thank you..
I'm nursing my first Mic Amberbock right now, and it's better than the others I've tried so far.. A little bitter but a step up from Bud Light!!
I'd still like to see a touch of lemon in the mix, but not sure about adding a drop of this or that to get it there..
I think I saw that Leinenkugel label and kinda scoffed at it as trying too hard to come up with a name.. What you're describing sounds good!.. Saw the Shandy and despite it sounding like what I'm looking for, I passed over it because of the price. Again, I'll get it next time I get over there..
It really is funny though.. I quit drinking beer, or anything, as a matter of course, back in 91 or 92. I picked it up again in the form of red wine, (only Beaujolais, the rest of it gives me a headache) when the back began to be much less cooperative..
Bed time.. I'm still reading, guys.. I'll take any information you can offer..
Good night and God bless!..
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I know I must be showing my age here but the last time I had Rolling Rock, it was made somewhere in New York State..
When did this change.. :( I know Stella bought Bud, and Coors can't buy a Senate seat, but Rolling Rock was kind of a tradition as a NY (State) beer, wasn't it??
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I don't know if you can still find it anyplace, but one of the best beers I've had was John Courage beer. It is better out of a keg, but the bottles are good too.
I served it at several annual get-to-gethers with from 20 to 60 folks attending.... At each one, I found NONE of the beer drinkers wanted to go out and bring in their preferred beer...which almost always happens.. It seemed like every beer drinker liked it. Not only that, but all of those who drank but didn't prefer beer did like it and drink it too.
Never heard anyone say they didn't like it. Worst was that some, myself included, said the draft was better than the bottles.
I started calling it the Universal Beer.
If anyone can find it in the states, let me know...
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I know I must be showing my age here but the last time I had Rolling Rock, it was made somewhere in New York State..
When did this change.. :( I know Stella bought Bud, and Coors can't buy a Senate seat, but Rolling Rock was kind of a tradition as a NY (State) beer, wasn't it??
Rolling Rock is made in Pennsylvania. Genesee is made in New York. Both have become sex in a canoe beer.
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Rolling Rock is made in Pennsylvania. Genesee is made in New York. Both have become sex in a canoe beer.
Not sure what "sex in a canoe beer" is, though I'm admittedly curious!.. ???
It reminds me of oyster fishermen all drinking Lord Calvert, because it doesn't roll around in the boat..
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Sex in a canoe= F**king close to water... ;D ;D
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Best beer I ever had is Killians Irish Red. It is awesome.
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Best beer I ever had is Killians Irish Red. It is awesome.
You should try Sam Adams Irish Red as well!
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Just because no one else has mentioned them , despite crap like Micholob being mentioned.
Molson, Corona, or Dos Equis.
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Just because no one else has mentioned them , despite crap like Micholob being mentioned.
Molson, Corona, or Dos Equis.
Just more crap Tom...and none domestic!
:D
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Just more crap Tom...and none domestic!
:D
Beats hell out of Heinies or Foster's, (it's Australian for p!ss ;D )
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Beats hell out of Heinies or Foster's, (it's Australian for p!ss ;D )
No argument here...
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I know I must be showing my age here but the last time I had Rolling Rock, it was made somewhere in New York State..
Latrobe PA
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Forget fosters, You need to find Coopers from Oz,it's what real Bruce's and Sheila's drink... ;D ;D ;D
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What about Victoria Bitters? Roothe swears by it!
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Most Aussie beers (non-export) have a better, heavier taste than American beers. I preferred Abbotts Lager over VB, Fosters or Carltons when I lived there (1976-1980). Definitely stay away from Southwark, however, because that is real piss.
santahog, I finally got a chance to read your rant from a few days ago. I hope it wasn't oriented toward me, but if it was I hope it made you feel better to rant at me than mrs santahog! I've been where you are except my neurosurgeon kept putting off the surgery as I began responding to his therapies and to the exercise regimen he gave me. Surgery was always one week out for me. I'm pulling for you all the way. I had never felt more pain than that and I feel yours must be worse. Hang in there and rant some more if it helps.
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santahog, I finally got a chance to read your rant from a few days ago. I hope it wasn't oriented toward me, but if it was I hope it made you feel better to rant at me than mrs santahog! I've been where you are except my neurosurgeon kept putting off the surgery as I began responding to his therapies and to the exercise regimen he gave me. Surgery was always one week out for me. I'm pulling for you all the way. I had never felt more pain than that and I feel yours must be worse. Hang in there and rant some more if it helps.
??? ??? ???
If wasn't talking about a poster here!.. Hell, if I thought somebody needed yelling at, I'm generally content enough to do it, if there's a possibility that it might help at least a third party learn something..
It's not your fault I can't damn walk half the time, unless you're doing some bad acupuncture while I'm asleep or something..
I'm STILL going to the range, if I can find somebody to chew the fat with and walk downrange with me..
PS. It's not her fault either... ::)
I'll still bitch if I feel like it. Nobody has to listen to it..
Rarely does anybody anyway..
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Sex in a canoe= F**king close to water... ;D ;D
Okay, I get it now.. Thanks.
Never heard that one before..
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There are two things that are meant to be connected - The Right to Keep and Bear Arms and the Right to Homebrew!
PRACTICE FREEDOM!
Homebrewing has long been a part of American tradition.
• Beer has been brewed in people’s homes since the dawn of agriculture several thousand years ago.
• In colonial times, homebrewing was a common household practice.
• Many of the Nation’s founders, including George Washington, James Madison and Thomas Jefferson, were homebrewers.
I'm a card carrying NRA member and a card carrying member of the American Homebrewing Association!
http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/
For more information on beer styles take a look here: http://beeradvocate.com/beer/style
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There are two things that are meant to be connected - The Right to Keep and Bear Arms and the Right to Homebrew!
PRACTICE FREEDOM!
Homebrewing has long been a part of American tradition.
• Beer has been brewed in people’s homes since the dawn of agriculture several thousand years ago.
• In colonial times, homebrewing was a common household practice.
• Many of the Nation’s founders, including George Washington, James Madison and Thomas Jefferson, were homebrewers.
I'm a card carrying NRA member and a card carrying member of the American Homebrewing Association!
http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/
For more information on beer styles take a look here: http://beeradvocate.com/beer/style
Until the advent of refrigerated rail cars there was no choice except home brewing, or small local breweries, what we now call "micro breweries".
Investment in these cars allowed companies like Anhuaser/Busch to launch their empires.
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Mike Rowe has a program on Discovery called, How Booze Built America.