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Member Section => Tactical Rifle & Carbine => Topic started by: Marshal Halloway on April 13, 2009, 01:37:58 PM
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Hi folks!
On April 21st, we will spend the day at the range with Erik Lund filming some in-depth tactical videos for DRTV.
I talked to Erik this morning about what we want to do and Erik came up with a great idea....
Let the DRTV members decide what they want to see.
So.... all of you are now the producers...
Marshal'ette and I will be your film crew, Eric is the instructor and you decide the content.
It is all about basic and advanced use of the AR-15.
We are all ears....
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Id like to see the basic combat load for an operator in the field on a days mission. ie, how many mags, what other gear should be taken and things of this nature.
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I think segment on maintenance would be good.
We hear so many conflicting ideas. Really wet, mostly dry, just run the bore and give it a good oil, replace the gas rings every 'x' rounds etc. Eric is an expert. Have him demo his care and maintenance.
Also for those of us that don't have the tactical slings (single point I think they are called) how about show a manual of arms in where / how to carry under diff situations (I mean carry position). High ready, low ready etc.
I'll try to think of more.
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Optics visa vie rifle choices. That is, I want to see correct optics choices for rifles setup for different missions.
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A big +1 on the maintenance. There are so many different opinions on how much lube, type of lube, what spare parts to keep on hand, etc. Another is in the area of magazines. Which are better and why. I can't count the conflicting opinions I've heard on this as well. Part of the reason for this is the fact the AR-15 is an immensely popular rifle. It would be nice to see all of this sorted out in a what is good, and what is not, format. Bill T.
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A big +1 on the maintenance. There are so many different opinions on how much lube, type of lube, what spare parts to keep on hand, etc. Another is in the area of magazines. Which are better and why. I can't count the conflicting opinions I've heard on this as well. Part of the reason for this is the fact the AR-15 is an immensely popular rifle. It would be nice to see all of this sorted out in a what is good, and what is not, format. Bill T.
BIG plus one on that! and once again, are titanium firing pins worth the cost, better springs, etc.
This is almost starting to sound like an abbreviated armorers course (sweet!)
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Maintenance and optics info would be good.
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Maybe a tutorial on how to use irons and forget the optics. Batteries die,lens crack,or lose there zero. What to oil and how much and also what to check for when things a wearing out.
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Reloading from tactical gear. (seems a lot of tactical equipment focuses on retention more than ease of use)
Getting back to basics instead of all the accessorized crap.
Using a light on an AR (I know, probably conflicts with above).
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The other ideas are great, what I would like to see, is the capability of the standard AR15, carbine or not, to at least 200 meters, and maybe beyond,I have found it to be much more accurate than you might think. Different sighting systems to allow 300+ meter hits on a given target. It is no longer, your father or grandfathers AR. I still own an SP1, and with 55 grn pills, delivers, good, acceptable groups at 200 yards.
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Transitions in general, such as the
tactical combat reloads mentioned, but also bringing the weapon to play, transitioning to a second weapon, the use of cover when transitiioning if necessary, etc.
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Basics, Basics, Basics!
I think maintenance has been well represented in earlier posts, optics has come up, and I would like to add gun setup and other accessories as the final step before moving into use.
Did you say this was going to be a three hour segment ;D
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Maintenance and tactical movement.
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This has been alluded to, but I would like a short primer on what set ups a person could/should have for basic civilian uses. i.e. carbine vs. full size and what accessories would be better for each in a given anticipated situation. I would like to see how I, a joe blow civilian, could make the best use of my M4 style carbine and my full size Colt Sporter HB 20".
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Tactical rifle for home defense..... setting up the weapons platform and tactics
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Zero with iron sights!!!!
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Zero with iron sights!!!!
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Zero with irons and optics....and then transitioning in the middle of the fight if the optics fail and you're not using see-through mounts.
And, reliability tuning, if necessary.
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There are any number of things I would like to see, any of the previously mentioned items are great. Since there are a lot of new AR owners out there right now maybe there needs to be 2 or 3 segments or more. A lot of non tactical sportsmen and shooters have recently acquired their first AR. I know many who have, that had never had an interest in them before but do now because of the current political climate. Because of so many new AR owners I think a basic run down on theroy and operation on ARs would be great starting with the basic basics and advancing from there. Actually you could probably make a series out ARs alone.
2nd would be general cleaning and maintenance, what and how to lube etc. Spare parts, what to watch for in terms of ware, pitfalls when maintaining and replacing parts, etc.
3rd, Slings. Seems like there are a million differant types of slings, attachment points, and gizmos to attach them with and ways to use them. I can't tell you how many times I've read something about using x sling with a z setup and I have no idea what there talking about because they assume everyone knows about it already.
4th, ammo, what ammo for what, bullet weights and types for the different twist. Maybe an overview of .223 vs 5.56 and throw in the .223 Wylde and any other specialty chambers.
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How about lever guns and Tac guns. I dont see why a 30/30 cant do the same job a shotgun or AR cant.
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What set up we will need if/when attending an AR/carbine class. All Needed Gear Head to Toe someone must have for "Tactical Bliss"!?!?
Also Erik's opinion of "tactical bliss" for the home carbine, car gun, natural/man made disaster and etc.
And when people have this gear, show how to use the gear. Also a place or resource to learn on a budget for the tight economy and worsting feature?
ARs and carbines for the Handicap? I know this is a tough one but one that no one else will touch.
Factory ammo opinions for different situations (home,car,disaster,practice,etc.),when if ever loading your own is a must?
Major(7.62nato) vs. Minor(556nato) power when to use or not to use either. In that thought lets see Erik show us a problem/scenario with the use of the opposite ends of spectrum. 30-30 lever vs. 22lr semi auto vs. AR vs. bolt., rifle vs. shotgun vs.pistol, or bolt vs. TC encore? Along with this I would prefer his opinion of how and/or when to use either.
There are many others but this is a start.
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An inventory of basic parts for keeping your AR running. Not something you change out during use...but things we neglect whilst cleaning. Such as??? I don't know...what is it we don't do when we break 'em down and clean the barrel and wipe everything down?
Next, since there are so many new AR users, maybe just how to use an AR might be a good thing. How to charge it, how to change a mag, how to open the thing up....be careful where you point that thing when you're doing all of that stuff.
Just surmising that ya'll are gonna be down the road from the house filming since the tac rifle class ends the day before. If ya'll do a take off on newbies, I've got 14, 17 & 19 year old young men in the house you might be able to use to film a basic how to. They can bring their own AR & ammo too....maybe an FAL or PS-90 for variety.
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How about adding a segment on basic gunsmithing. How to replace/repair trigger groups/broken extractor/damaged gas tube, etc and what tools should be in every gun owners toolbox.
A simple vise block for an AR has made life easier for me. Even makes cleaning easier. An AR combo wrench like the DPMS does several jobs. What tools are recommended by the experts?
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How about adding a segment on basic gunsmithing. How to replace/repair trigger groups/broken extractor/damaged gas tube, etc and what tools should be in every gun owners toolbox.
A simple vise block for an AR has made life easier for me. Even makes cleaning easier. An AR combo wrench like the DPMS does several jobs. What tools are recommended by the experts?
Bullseye! This is what I was trying to say and could not! ! ! !
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ANY QUESTIONS? ;D
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It beats the "Evil Dead II" version where you have to attach it to the stump of your severed hand. Still I don't think the eco nazis will approve of the carbon foot print.
FQ13
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Call me nutty....but maybe a TR course using something other than an AR15.....like a FAL, M1 Carbine, SKS, or even one of the semi-auto hunting rifles like a BAR or Benelli....I'd even be interested in a TR video for mil-surp bolt guns like the SMLE or M-N.....
Please?...... ;D
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On a serious note, I would like to weigh in on a "basic gun smithing and deep cleaning for dummies" series with a huge amen. We all assume everyone knows how to deep clean a revolver, or take apart an AR or an AK,or for that matter a 1911. Most of us don't. The factory manuals are written in technospeak with confusing diagrams and an intimidating schematic of small parts. When you go to the web you get good info IF you know the difference between a hammer spring and an extractor spring. Many don't. WATCHING someone do it, with a minimum of jargon woud make me buy a DVD. My .02.
FQ13
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I posted earlier, and I have kept reading all along:
I think it is safe to say that the overwhelming request is basics of all kinds - picking, setting up, preparing and caring for.
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TERRORIST ASSAULT RIFLE WITH DETACHABLE BAYONNET; FOR SCOOP, SPADE, AND DIGGING SHOVEL ATTACHMENTS.
WHEN YOUR OUT NUMBERED, OUT OF AMMO, AND OUT OF LUCK....DIG A HOLE!!!
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ANY QUESTIONS? ;D
Questions? Um, yeah, uh, why?
"Your scientists were so busy trying to figure out if they could that they forgot to stop and ask themselves if they should"
Malcolm in JP1
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Questions? Um, yeah, uh, why?
"Your scientists were so busy trying to figure out if they could that they forgot to stop and ask themselves if they should"
Malcolm in JP1
Agreed! I just couldn't stop myself from posting that pic. Unbelieveable huh? I think it just goes to show what you can do with it, not rather "if" you should.