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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: Marshal Halloway on February 08, 2008, 02:48:14 PM
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Hi folks,
I just got off the phone with Ruger after checking on the response on the Ruger .380.
Since the launch last Saturday, they have orders coming in in high numbers.
Congrats to Ruger. It is so great to learn that the American industry is alive and well.
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Hi folks,
I just got off the phone with Ruger after checking on the response on the Ruger .380.
Since the launch last Saturday, they have orders coming in in high numbers.
Congrats to Ruger. It is so great to learn that the American industry is alive and well.
I know I am responsible for at least 1 of those, I inquired and so did a caller within a minute of me asking, the store owner called his distributor and upped his order by 2. Need to check the fit with my little girl hands, but if it's even half good, it's mine!!
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And I got my order in for 2! ;D
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WOW!
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As an LCP would make a GREAT Giveaway prize,hopefully DRTV accounts for one of those 87,000 guns.
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What price are you guys paying? The MSRP is $330.00
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$299-$309 will probably be where most respectable dealers will mark the LCP's. There will be some number of retailers which incorrectly believe profit is a four letter word (like moms used to wash out of your mouth with LifebouyTM soap) that'll mark them less.
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Wonderful! Good to see a big launch like this. For now I'll keep my P3AT but will look forward to range reports on the LCP.
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Like cars, I never buy first model year guns. I'll wait until at least a year has gone by to make sure Ruger gets all the bugs worked out.
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Marshall, I posted a llink to this page over on rugerforum.com, and the boys over there are quite skeptical about the 87,000 number and think maybe it should be 8,700.
Here is the link to that page:
http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=19731
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What price are you guys paying? The MSRP is $330.00
http://www.davidsonsinc.com/consumers/subsites/inven_sql.asp?preview=&manufact_combo=Ruger&category_combo=None&price_range=None&mod_ser_combo=LCP&g_type=None&finish_type=None&calib_combo=None&sight_class_combo=None&num_rec=50&instock=all&offset_rec=0&b1.x=77&b1.y=8
269.00
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My area Davidson's private dealer shows $248+ tax & shipping. Sounds to be competitive with the Kel-Tec pricing.
I'll probably be getting one with my 'economic stimulus' money. ;D
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I am having some problems with 87k this would be a HUGE roll out.
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Kel Tec is making some 50,000+ per year so I can believe the 87,000. People who would not buy a Kel Tec will happily buy the Ruger because it says Ruger.
The real proof will be if Ruger has indeed made the 380 Kel Tec a 100% reliable gun. I still pack a P32 because I feel the P3AT was "on the edge" design wise. LGS friend reports returning more 380s than 32s. If Ruger has not solved the reliability problem then this could be the Colt All American 2000 of this decade.
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The question is , is it a Kel-Tec clone? Why would you buy one if kel-tecs are cheaper. Kel-tecs have great customer service and a great functional reputation. I dont see the point.
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Question for folks, I have talked with the local gunshop who now has 6 LCP's on order, and he is telling me that Ruger will not ship until they can fill all of the pre-orders. Anyone else run into this? Has anyone seen the LCP in stores as yet?
Thanks.
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Shipping is supposed to start 1st half of March.
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Shipping is supposed to start 1st half of March.
So what happened to Ruger's much ballyhooed new policy of shipping the guns when they announce? :-\
That didn't take long. >:(
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So what happened to Ruger's much ballyhooed new policy of shipping the guns when they announce? :-\
That didn't take long. >:(
That policy went by the wayside when the 327 Federal SP101 was announced.
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Marshal isn't going to comment on this.. ( his reasoning is.. " Unless Ruger publically lists all the orders...I can't prove to anyone the numbers.. so if people think I'm lying.. then they'll just have to think it.. The numbers are exactly right, that's all I can do is tell them the truth.. .what they believe is up to them."
So... I am going to comment!
I was standing right beside Marshal at the Shot Show when they told us that already ( and this was Monday Feb. 4th) they had orders for 60,000 Ruger LCP's. They were flabbergasted to say the least, but so excited as these numbers far far exceeded normal sales.
And you can believe it or not boys... but when we talked to them the other day.. the number WAS 87,000.
It is higher than that now.
NOT 8,700... but 87,000 and rising.
Believe it ...or not!
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I was standing right beside Marshal at the Shot Show when they told us that already ( and this was Monday Feb. 4th) they had orders for 60,000 Ruger LCP's. They were flabbergasted to say the least, but so excited as these numbers far far exceeded normal sales.
And you can believe it or not boys... but when we talked to them the other day.. the number WAS 87,000.
It is higher than that now.
NOT 8,700... but 87,000 and rising.
Make that 87,001.
After MB's review and Walt's review from the SHOT show...well I just figured I needed one. Might even buy another...one for the briefcase and one for the wife's purse.
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I'll probably have a long wait before it shows up on California's approved handgun list :'(.
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What price are you guys paying? The MSRP is $330.00
I just put a deposit on one of the 12 that my LGS has on order. I got it for $279.00+ tax for a total of $298.00.
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I sure hope you's wrong, I'm 63 now and would like to get the one I ordered befoe I'm dead I guess no one has seen, played with or shot one yet. If anybody has seen, plaed with or shot one what do you think of it.
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I sure hope you's wrong, I'm 63 now and would like to get the one I ordered befoe I'm dead I guess no one has seen, played with or shot one yet. If anybody has seen, plaed with or shot one what do you think of it.
Marshal said they were shipping first week of March. Still true, Marshal?
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They start shipping in March, yes.
Michael visited the factory last week and a video report will show up here on Wednesday.
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They start shipping in March, yes.
Michael visited the factory last week and a video report will show up here on Wednesday.
Geez, ask a simple question around here and get a commercial!!! :D
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A video is as simple as it gets on Down Range....
Since there are a few out there that doubts the numbers, we decided to document it...
Nah not really .... Michael was at Gunsite last week and dropped by the factory with a camcorder in his left holster and a SR9 in his right.
;D ;D
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A video is as simple as it gets on Down Range....
Since there are a few out there that doubts the numbers, we decided to document it...
Nah not really .... Michael was at Gunsite last week and dropped by the factory with a camcorder in his left holster and a SR9 in his right.
;D ;D
Oh, They are making them at the Arizona plant ? To bad, I thought it might be another NH gun. Do they actually MAKE anything in Conn. or is it just Corprate Offices?
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I ordered (2) LCP for $243 + Tax/each from my local dealer here in WV. He is charging me 10% over his cost. I hope to get them in a few weeks.
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Hey, whatever happened to all the "NEVER drop below a 9mm, mouseguns, just piss him off" advice for CCW guns? Mac
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Hey, whatever happened to all the "NEVER drop below a 9mm, mouseguns, just piss him off" advice for CCW guns? Mac
Funny you should say that. I was out at the range yesterday talking to this fella who had a half dozen little popcorn makers. AMT 22, AMT 32, etc. etc. If you get good shot placement you can kill, but these things won't SCARE anyone to look at them, that's for sure.
I'm sure someone will reply that they can be very successful with little dinky guns and probably so, but I would want the confidence of "slow down", if not "Knock down" power.
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I am one of those people who can't pocket carry anything larger than a Kel Tec unless I am wearing bib overalls or cargo pants. If work requires kakais and a tucked in oxford or polo shirt I'm left out in the cold gun wise. First rule of self defense is have a gun. The advice given by some to dress around the gun is BS. How can I dress around the gun when my work attire is dictated?
In a SG a few seasons back the episode was to have yet another guru teach us about guns and SD. The show started with a table full of guns and the guru started his spiel by saying "friends don't let friends carry 380s". As soon as those words were uttered I flipped the channel since I refuse to listen to a smarta$$ punk like that.
The small pocket guns have their place.
They beat confronting a bad guy with thumb and forefinger and saying bang.
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I am one of those people who can't pocket carry anything larger than a Kel Tec unless I am wearing bib overalls or cargo pants. If work requires kakais and a tucked in oxford or polo shirt I'm left out in the cold gun wise. First rule of self defense is have a gun. The advice given by some to dress around the gun is BS. How can I dress around the gun when my work attire is dictated?
In a SG a few seasons back the episode was to have yet another guru teach us about guns and SD. The show started with a table full of guns and the guru started his spiel by saying "friends don't let friends carry 380s". As soon as those words were uttered I flipped the channel since I refuse to listen to a smarta$$ punk like that.
The small pocket guns have their place.
They beat confronting a bad guy with thumb and forefinger and saying bang.
+1 I carry a Kel Tek 380 and sorry all you 1911 onlys, I don't feel under guned. I will have to shoot what, maybe 10 feet? I practice with my 'pop gun' and I carry good ammo and an extra mag. Works for me AND I always have it with me.
That's why I like Walt Raush (sp) on this subject and what he calls "always" guns. Plus he will tell you that little snubbies are great and ask why you think you need more than what's in the gun? If that didn't solve your problem most likely more lead won't either. Walt strikes me as a man that lives in the real world not some quasi-tacticle one.
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Walt Rauch has done and experienced more things in his life than most of us will in 5 lives..
He is an A1 plus, genuine great guy. No bull shit in him.. if he says it.. he means it.
I just adore him.
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Walt Rauch has done and experienced more things in his life than most of us will in 5 lives..
He is an A1 plus, genuine great guy. No bull shit in him.. if he says it.. he means it.
I just adore him.
Yep. I have never met the man but he just impresses the hell out of me.
His treatise on the snubbies said pretty much everything you need to know and it didn't take him an hour to say it.
His delivery is simple and straight forward with a sort of "Here's the truth. If you don't want to believe it that's no skin off my nose" smile and attitude. No gruff, no bluff just the real skinny.
Definitely a guy I would like to have a beer (or two ;D) with.
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I am one of those people who can't pocket carry anything larger than a Kel Tec unless I am wearing bib overalls or cargo pants. If work requires kakais and a tucked in oxford or polo shirt I'm left out in the cold gun wise. First rule of self defense is have a gun. The advice given by some to dress around the gun is BS. How can I dress around the gun when my work attire is dictated?
In a SG a few seasons back the episode was to have yet another guru teach us about guns and SD. The show started with a table full of guns and the guru started his spiel by saying "friends don't let friends carry 380s". As soon as those words were uttered I flipped the channel since I refuse to listen to a smarta$$ punk like that.
The small pocket guns have their place.
They beat confronting a bad guy with thumb and forefinger and saying bang.
to bad you have an itchy trigger-finger w/ that remote because i am 99.9% he went on to defend the same gun you thought he was insulting. But then again it was a while ago. MB will have to back me up to find that .1%. :D
I am not a fan of the .380 but own and have carried on more than one occasion. But being my size my primary pocket carry is the S&W642 Airweight. I think a better carry/recoil/no slide-bite/better sighting(with CrimsonTrace)
But i can also admit anytime the "sub-cal." is on my person i always make sure i have the folding blade which I feel the most comfortable and training with.
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Personally, I'm not comfortable with little guns, no slam at the .380 here, I don't care if it's a .500 S&W , if it's got small grips I'm not comfortable shooting it, The smallest gun I like is a PA-63 Walther clone in 9mm Makarov I got through Shotgun News, although the J frame size Smith's and Taurus's would probably be OK with different grips, the ones I've fired all had the factory wood grips. CT's look like they would be more comfortable than the wood. ::)
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Here's the first video report of the Ruger LCP:
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This week's podcast covers more about the LCP, the use and carry of pocket pistols:
http://www.downrange.tv/radio/47.htm
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Thanks for the video!!!! Glad to hear and "see" that the LCP is reliable. I think I'll be ordering two soon... one for me, and one for the wife.
One question, Michael... Where can we get a few extra of those gazillion magazines in the video??? :)
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Is it safe to say that Kel Tec CNC Inc. will be suing Ruger for copyright infringement?
I mean c'mon Ruger.
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From what I have seen Kel Tec didn't have a patent on the p3at. I find it hard to believe they would be that stupid especially on a hot seller like the p3at. That being said I think ruger should give credit where it is due instead of claiming it as their design. I use to have more respect for ruger.
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Hey, whatever happened to all the "NEVER drop below a 9mm, mouseguns, just piss him off" advice for CCW guns? Mac
+1 Mack!! 380 YUK!!!! You might as well use a rolled up newspaper!
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+1 Mack!! 380 YUK!!!! You might as well use a rolled up newspaper!
OK, I'll let you hold the target next time I practice. Heck, I'll even let you roll them up and try to swat the bullets! ;)
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I'm afraid, before this election dust is all over, we, here, will all be like a herd of Cape Buffaloe, all facing outward,shoulder to shoulder, defending against a common enemy, with all we've got. Ready the big boy first, but keep the .380 too. If it goes BANG, its all good.
As for the design, "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery", or some such. Or is it flatulence? Anyway....can't we all just get along?? Are there that many highly experienced, opinionated individualists here?? Damn right. And thanks for them.
Mac.
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OK, I'll let you hold the target next time I practice. Heck, I'll even let you roll them up and try to swat the bullets! ;)
I knew that would get someone fired up! Mission accomplished!
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I knew that would get someone fired up! Mission accomplished!
Fired up? Pshaw ! ;D
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Can't fire him up!~~~He's just a widdle bitty puddy tat.. ;)
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Oh, man, Marshal'ette. :o I can hear him Purrin' all the way up in Carolina. Mac.
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Oh, man, Marshal'ette. :o I can hear him Purrin' all the way up in Carolina. Mac.
It was a rather nice stroke...errr pet....errr... ;)
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Errrr... just forget it Haz... You already have stuck your paw in your mouth.. :)
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Errrr... just forget it Haz... You already have stuck your paw in your mouth.. :)
I have been know to do that on occasion, wish I washed them more often. :D
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Can't fire him up!~~~He's just a widdle bitty puddy tat.. ;)
When he gets fired up he starts hunting mice (Or Raccoons!!).
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Marshall, I posted a llink to this page over on rugerforum.com, and the boys over there are quite skeptical about the 87,000 number and think maybe it should be 8,700.
Here is the link to that page:
http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=19731
I'm a bit late getting back to this thread...
All those internet experts sure are funny.
Ruger's pending purchase orders from distributors and buying groups probably stands over 100K now that NBS, Sports Inc, and Worldwide have held their buyer shows.
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I gotta say, watching that new DRTV video on the LCP makes me want one. Hope they prove equally reliable with hollowpoints. When MB gets time to do a fuller road test, maybe he can convince Black Hills to send a supply of their fine .380 JHP ammo tipped with 90 gr Hornady XTP.
Six + 1 of .380 isn't as comforting as five of .38 Special +P "FBI Load" in my Taurus pocket snubby, but I bet I could find a useful carry mission for the LCP, in zero-profile situations where one absolutely doesn't want to be "made."
An airweight snubby revolver isn't heavy, but it has the round cylinder, that can protrude in ways a little flat auto wouldn't.
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Maybe some Buffalo Bore ammo would be the answer, the problem with a .380 ,if you shoot someone and they find out, they may get mad. ;D
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Just checked with my local gunshop, and they had not heard that Ruger was shipping as Marshal had mentioned. I did find out that they upped their backorder from the2/3 that I heard of originally, to 6, and now 24. He told to me check back on Monday to see if they showed up.
Mouse gun maybe, but when you can't ever be detected as carrying, a slim little auto like this will come in handy.
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Ruger answers questions about the LCP
http://www.downrange.tv/radio/49.htm
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