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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: TAB on April 20, 2017, 10:38:48 PM
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This morning I warned all of my employees that we have a zero tolerance for drug abuse.
so give that today is 420 and lots of people get high today/tonight.
7 am, every one is getting a cup to pee in. its unannounced and they will not know until they "punch in" for the shop meeting that was announced about 6 weeks back as it has to do with a big project that is starting next week.( they reason for highering half of them)
now I have 17 employees currently most are just short term laborers, but 4 of them are here for the long haul. any bets on the number that will fail tomorrows drug test?
I am betting on 2.
whats your guess?
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I reckon it will be double that but honestly hope we're both wrong.
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all the new hires passed a hair test in the last 2 weeks, so I would hope they know better. the employee manuel states it 7 times that we have zero tolerance, that I test several times a year, all injurys and accidents( ie you screwed up something that was $$$/car wrecks reguardless of fault)
so I hope not.
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So how did they, and you, do? Hopw ZERO tested positive but in today's world I doubt it.
To skew this just a little bit in states where pot is "legal" and also have CCW permits I think the laws should be modifies to ensure we don't have CCW carriers out there high. Most states I am aware of do already have something in the laws about boose and concealed carry and some of those laws may apply but with the growing popularity of pot and the younger generation I don't like the idea of a pot smoker carrying a firearm. Just my .02
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.....so give that today is 420 and lots of people get high today/tonight.
OK, I'll bite. What is so special about 4/20 that everyone gets high over???
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Coffee, donuts, cups, instant read tests and check book all ready.
7 am in 15 mins.
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0 to 1...so say one on the long haul. Four of the laborers.
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Zero fails, one guy quit. Labourer, you coukd tell in his face he was dirty when I started handing out cups. At least he did not waste any more of my money.
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Zero fails, one guy quit. Labourer, you coukd tell in his face he was dirty when I started handing out cups. At least he did not waste any more of my money.
Funny how that works. Glad so many passed.
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OK, I'll bite. What is so special about 4/20 that everyone gets high over???
Here you go!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Senate_Bill_420
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Had a guy here with a legal med marijuana card. Sorry, still a no go! Four years down the drain, they let him go two weeks ago.
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Had a guy here with a legal med marijuana card. Sorry, still a no go! Four years down the drain, they let him go two weeks ago.
This will not be a popular comment or stance, but this is the way it should be. If he is on mind altering medication he is not fit to work. I pass tests for my job and to keep my license. This also means that all altering medications and alcohol must be clear from my system before I report for work - NTSB Law!
Timothy, what happens if you show up to work on morphine or oxycodone? Maybe some alcohol in your desk to take the edge off before a high pressure meeting?
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This will not be a popular comment or stance, but this is the way it should be. If he is on mind altering medication he is not fit to work. I pass tests for my job and to keep my license. This also means that all altering medications and alcohol must be clear from my system before I report for work - NTSB Law!
Timothy, what happens if you show up to work on morphine or oxycodone? Maybe some alcohol in your desk to take the edge off before a high pressure meeting?
I agree...but I am not at all familiar with the tests that are given.
An alcohol user might binge on weekends, sober up Sunday afternoon and test clean on Monday morrning? and be clean enough to be safe?
If a guy smokes a joint Sat. afternoon and that is it, will he pass the Monday test? What about a joint on Sunday afternoon? And the hair test..seems like it is looking into history? Will that indicate a job risk or just a possible one since this is a user?
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This will not be a popular comment or stance, but this is the way it should be. If he is on mind altering medication he is not fit to work. I pass tests for my job and to keep my license. This also means that all altering medications and alcohol must be clear from my system before I report for work - NTSB Law!
Timothy, what happens if you show up to work on morphine or oxycodone? Maybe some alcohol in your desk to take the edge off before a high pressure meeting?
I didn't disagree with his dismissal and have no issues with your statement either.
Work sober or stay home...
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If you binge drink on Saturday you will still test positive on Monday. One beer will show up in your system for up to 36 hours. If there is a zero tolerance policy for your situation or employment, alcohol is almost a complete no-no.
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Here you go!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Senate_Bill_420
420 goes back WAY before that bill was passed. The bill was named after 420, not the other way around. Now a lot of people think 4:20 is a great time of day to smoke their dope and on 4/20 they get high all day. I heard that in Michigan if you have a medical marijuana prescription or card, whatever it is, you can't get a CPL. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/420_(cannabis_culture)
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by federal law if you smoke pot you can't own a gun and if you answer the question on 4473 form no and do smoke, you just commited a felony.
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by federal law if you smoke pot you can't own a gun and if you answer the question on 4473 form no and do smoke, you just commited a felony.
Which by the way is what they actually prosecute most of the time. Not illegal gun ownership or gun "running", but lying on federal forms.
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I agree...but I am not at all familiar with the tests that are given.
An alcohol user might binge on weekends, sober up Sunday afternoon and test clean on Monday morrning? and be clean enough to be safe?
If a guy smokes a joint Sat. afternoon and that is it, will he pass the Monday test? What about a joint on Sunday afternoon? And the hair test..seems like it is looking into history? Will that indicate a job risk or just a possible one since this is a user?
Alcohol usually stays in your system 12-36 hours while THC in marijuana typically stays in your system 2-4 weeks. The time on both of them can vary and that's what urine tests can detect. If you have a blood test they're actually in your system longer.
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I do know this... after I retire, I'm gonna smoke a big ol fatty just to celebrate!!!
No plans on worrying about it either!
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If you binge drink on Saturday you will still test positive on Monday. One beer will show up in your system for up to 36 hours. If there is a zero tolerance policy for your situation or employment, alcohol is almost a complete no-no.
There are two things regarding alcohol in the system...testing for actual impairment like after a traffic incident and testing for general consumption.
For impairment testing the following is a rule of thumb from a legal aspect (information found on a drug testing site):
Once in the bloodstream, alcohol leaves the system in two ways:
10% leaves through breath, perspiration, and the urine.
90% is metabolized (broken down in the body).
Pretty much everyone, regardless of age, size, or race, metabolizes alcohol at the same pace. That pace is .015 of blood alcohol concentration (BAC) per hour. So that means for every hour you are not drinking, .015 of the alcohol in your body is being metabolized and disappearing from your body (thanks to David J. Hanson, Ph.D. for this information). So, if your BAC was 0.08 (legally impaired), it would take about 5.33 hours for the alcohol to be eliminated from your body.
So starting from a BAC of 0.08….
After 1 hour – your BAC would be 0.065
After 2 hours – your BAC would be 0.05
After 3 hours – your BAC would be 0.035
After 4 hours – your BAC would be 0.02
After 5 hours – your BAC would be 0.005
Alcohol would be eliminated from the body at about 5 hours and 20 minutes (the body metabolizes alcohol at the rate of about 0.005 per twenty minutes, as 0.005 x 3 = 0.015).
So it is easy to tell when your body will be free of alcohol. It is not so easy to tell, however, what your BAC is if you do not have some kind of alcohol tester, be it a breathalyzer or a disposable alcohol test.
Getting to a BAC of 0.08 is not that difficult. For a 140 lb man, it would be 3 drinks in one hour. If someone is binge drinking, they could get into a situation where alcohol remains in their body for 10 hours or more.
What M58 is speaks of is a test that tells if you have consumed alcohol for a period of time after consumption, even if you have moved beyond being physically impaired for functioning from a legal standpoint, based on residual traces in the urine. Some people are banned from consuming alcohol as a condition of probation, employment etc. This test would show consumption long after drinking.
The EtG Urine Alcohol Test detects ethyl glucuronide in the urine, which confirms alcohol ingestion as long as 3-4 days after intake, or about 80 hours after the liver metabolizes alcohol.The EtG test has become known as the “80 hour test” for detecting any amount of consumed ethyl alcohol. EtG has emerged as the test of choice for alcohol and due to the advances in technologies is now routinely available. Its presence in urine may be used to detect recent alcohol consumption, even after ethanol is no longer measurable using the older methods. The presence of EtG in urine is a definitive indicator that alcohol was ingested.
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Another possibly unpopular opinion is that when you give a flying phuque what regulates your day to day behavior you've already lost!
I won't put anyone in danger by my personal decisions, however, the gubmint can go phuque themselves in what I do on my dime that harms no one!
My life, my wallet, my decision to protect my family! The 4473 shouldn't exist!!!!!
My .02, after a few bourbons...
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What I found very funny yesterday was the way my guys acted/said/felt after the guy quit.
Everyone was was happy he did, but half said I should have fired him. It seems me being super picky about who I hire has worked out well with me getting guys that have the same mind set I do." I am here too work."
Funny thing, I end up mostly with either long term tradesmen that come from family backgrounds in construction, ranching or ex miltary, that were either special forces of some kind or some other very demanding obs.
Like right now, I have 16 employees, 9 are from construction families/ 20+years in the trades, 2 marine recon, 1 navey ud 1 coasite that was in a rib in fl( war in drugs), 1 army that ran a saw in the deserts(with the medals and scars to show he actually fought) and the rest are ranchers kids.
I just find it interesting that people with simlar mind sets tend to gravitate towards each other.
Whats funny is there are only 2 that don't have ccw. 1 can't own guns as he is on probation for a dui accident, tge other is 19 and you need too be 21.
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What I found very funny yesterday was the way my guys acted/said/felt after the guy quit.
Everyone was was happy he did, but half said I should have fired him. It seems me being super picky about who I hire has worked out well with me getting guys that have the same mind set I do." I am here too work."
Funny thing, I end up mostly with either long term tradesmen that come from family backgrounds in construction, ranching or ex miltary, that were either special forces of some kind or some other very demanding obs.
Like right now, I have 16 employees, 9 are from construction families/ 20+years in the trades, 2 marine recon, 1 navey ud 1 coasite that was in a rib in fl( war in drugs), 1 army that ran a saw in the deserts(with the medals and scars to show he actually fought) and the rest are ranchers kids.
I just find it interesting that people with simlar mind sets tend to gravitate towards each other.
Whats funny is there are only 2 that don't have ccw. 1 can't own guns as he is on probation for a dui accident, tge other is 19 and you need too be 21.
Hard assed but not hard hearted....he made a mistake...and has a chance to prove it won't happen again...I like th at
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Its not a felony, if it was I could not bond him.
As some one that has metal in his spin from a dui accident, I think what he got was fair. He did not hurt anyone, just hit 4 cars. He will not be able to drive a company truck for at least another 10 years. I thought very long and hard before I hired him. He is a labourer, that works hard, other then he can drive or touch equipment, I have zero issues. If it was not for that, I think I would keep him on and train him. He has the right mind set all he really needs is training.
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Your guys, excluding the one who quit, seem to have one thing in common. Discipline. Some people have it and some don't. The military seems to help a lot of people with it.