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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Solus on November 21, 2012, 07:23:19 AM
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Texas school district threatens to expel this young woman for refusing to wear an RFID card. They offered to let her wear one that was identical to the RFID card but without the chip. She refused saying that would indicate she supported the policy's infringement on the students constitutional rights.
Other students have refused to wear the RFID card but she is the only one to be threatened with expulsion. They need an exampl.
I will think of the young woman as courageous until I hear otherwise...like she it trying to hide her lucrative drug trafficking network.
http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/student-expelled-for-refusing-spychip/
An interesting side story in the article:
Prior to the expulsion letter, Hernandez faced other consequences. She was refused the right to vote for homecoming king and queen because she did not have the proper ID. Hernandez was using her old school-issued ID card at the time.
It seems requiring an ID card to vote on critical issues like Homecoming King and Queen to avoid voting fraud is a good thing..but not for trivial issues like electing the leaders of the country.
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What have I been saying about socialist infiltration of the education system being part of a subversive plot that dates back 100 years ?
FTA :
“Regimes in the past have always started with the schools, where they develop a compliant citizenry,” John Whitehead, president of the Rutherford Institute said. “They are getting students used to living in a total surveillance state where there will be no privacy, wherever you go and whatever you text or email will be watched by the government. This is where everything is headed.”
The primary intent of the tracking cards is not to increase student safety but to increase state funding to the district.
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It is about control and manipulation!
The school will give all kinds of reasons for why, but it comes down to they want to know where their students and staff are 100% of the time. Soon you will see reports talking about efficiency of class scheduling based on student choice trends and distance between classrooms, amount of time in restrooms, number of visits to vending machines, trips to and time spent at lockers, time and frequency of outdoor visits, etc. Maybe if they spent a little more time and energy teaching our kids how to read, write, add and subtract, and think critically (science and history), we wouldn't have some of our social issues today.
I was talking with my boss on Monday about marketing, and our visit was cut short when our series of meetings with some of our suppliers began. She was sharing about how Target utilizes RFID chips to track consumers in their stores and send them emails about specials as they move through the store. I am not sure if it is a credit card RFID or what, but people with this technology and a smart phone are being tracked and profiled in their entire shopping experience.
Outside of the little antenna symbol, does anyone know how to detect RFID in your personal items?
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Outside of the little antenna symbol, does anyone know how to detect RFID in your personal items?
If it has a transceiver that connects to a network, it's got an RFID capability. Any phone (cell or otherwise), computer, TV, or DVD/BluRay with wireless capability can and does get used to report trends.
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We had a post on here a while back about how the Wal Mart marketing Dept knew a girl was pregnant before her father did.
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Often stores issue a "discount card" . You just have to sign up for it...give some personal information and show the card when you check out and you get a few % points off the sale...some times a good percentage.
Since you will be carrying that card with you, if there is an RFID chip inside, they will know where you are in the store...and the information you gave might well include cell number and other contact info.
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I am mixed on this one. rfid chips used for things like attendence are not exactly a bad thing.( all teens can not be trusted) then again I don't like the idea of having people being tracked. its why I have opted out of most rewards programs over the years.
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When I was working for a school district, I used to joke about how good it would be to put an implant at the base of each students skull.
Then you could have a city wide broadcast that would knock anyone with the implant unconscious...
There would be jammers around each school, so the broadcast would not reach the kids inside.
Then all the truant officers needed to do was go around the city and collect the bodies of students playing hookie.
Sounds like a 'first step' to some version of my 'vision'.
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I am mixed on this one. rfid chips used for things like attendence are not exactly a bad thing.( all teens can not be trusted) then again I don't like the idea of having people being tracked. its why I have opted out of most rewards programs over the years.
What happened to teachers being in the room and taking attendance? Worked when I was in school in the 60's and 70's, and it worked in the early 90's when I was in college.
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What happened to teachers being in the room and taking attendance? Worked when I was in school in the 60's and 70's, and it worked in the early 90's when I was in college.
How is that going to work? Whouldn't the teachers then have to take action? I mean, wouldn't they actually have to take a position and stand by it? I don't see how that will work when somebody might be offended by that position.
Wouldn't it be much easier if we could just say "The System" found you to be absent?
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Got to agree with TAB on this one .
All technology has and upside and a down side.
When I G Farben sold pounds of Zyclon B to farmers it was a good thing .
When they sold tons of it to the SS it was a different story.
RFID chips are just like guns, in the hands of honest citizens they are a handy tool, in the hands of those who would victimize the rest of us the are another means of oppression.
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When a government agency starts to punish you for not carrying one, it has to be approaching the dark side.
This is very easy to circumvent though. If your ID card in in the cafeteria all during lunch break, so are you as far as the 'official records' will show.
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rfid chips used for things like attendence are not exactly a bad thing.( all teens can not be trusted)
They didn't need them when I was in high school...they knew I wasn't going to be there!
(or stay the whole hour, whichever came first)
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When a government agency starts to punish you for not carrying one, it has to be approaching the dark side.
This is very easy to circumvent though. If your ID card in in the cafeteria all during lunch break, so are you as far as the 'official records' will show.
You wouldn't say that about ATF ;D
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You wouldn't say that about ATF ;D
And I thought you were a Realist ;D ;D
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Hey, A guy can dream can't he ;D
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Like others have said, I have mixed feelings about this. First, the student's argument is framed by a perceived violation of constitutional rights. Which right is being violated? There is no explicit constitutional right to privacy. The fourteenth amendment's liberty clause has been used to argue that generalized privacy issues are covered by the constitution but this is not universally accepted jurisprudence. http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/rightofprivacy.html (http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/rightofprivacy.html) Secondly, the student refuses to wear a RFID-less ID card even though her primary complaint centered on the tracking capabilities of the RFID-equipped ID. Her argument for this behavior makes no sense to me... wearing the chipless ID is an implicit endorsement of the tracking technology? She had no problem wearing an earlier version ID card and even tried to use the old card during a school activity. So an old chipless ID is OK but a new chipless ID is not OK? I don't see the logic here.
The school district has a serious attendance problem and they are trying to use technology to solve the problem. Kids actually IN the classroom does mean more dollars for the district but it also means that the kids have a better chance of accomplishing what they're supposed to be doing anyway - learning something. It also means they're not contributing to crime in the community. Would tracking the kids beyond the boundaries of the school property be appropriate? Of course not. And THERE is my problem with this whole project... is the issue one of losing kids after they're on campus or is the issue getting them to campus in the first place? RFID tracking while on campus will do nothing to get them to school to begin with.
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Knowing kids these days, with text messages and facebook and all that to organize things, one kid just carry around another kid's RFID equipped card.
Or he could carry the ID cards for twenty other kids.
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If it has a transceiver that connects to a network, it's got an RFID capability. Any phone (cell or otherwise), computer, TV, or DVD/BluRay with wireless capability can and does get used to report trends.
Really?
Then we aren't too far from this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bXJ_obaiYQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Just saw on Drudge that a judge upheld the kid's right not to carry the card--at least at the moment. It will be subject to additional scrutiny as the case makes its way through the courts.
I am told that stainless-steel mesh wallets eliminate the RFID tracking capabilities. The wallets are sold all over, are flexible, and can be found at very low prices.
Since I am not a big fan of my government knowing where I am at every moment of every day, the wallet may be a solution.
However, since I also carry a cell phone, it is not a complete solution.
It is distressing to realize one cannot trust one's government.
Crusader
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Here is a question:
They make shielded wallets to protect your RFID equipped credit cards from scanning. What if she carried the card in a shielded holder? What if students en mass did this?
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Here is a question:
They make shielded wallets to protect your RFID equipped credit cards from scanning. What if she carried the card in a shielded holder? What if students en mass did this?
Ahhh-HA!!!! ;)
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Ahhh-HA!!!! ;)
Don't you mean Arrrrrrrrrg ;D
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Don't you mean Arrrrrrrrrg ;D
Yes..... and I'm making an 'air-hook' with a finger too.......... ;D :-* ;D
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/texas-student-successfully-defies-total-surveillance-state-citing-mark-of-the-beast/
The idea of being tracked wherever one goes by a government computer chip may sound like something out of Science Fiction dystopia films like “V for Vendetta” or “Total Recall,” but apparently, it’s actually happening. And at least one Texas high school student has embarked on a mission to stop it.
Meet Andrea Hernandez, a sophomore at Texas’ John Jay High School Science and Engineering Academy, and a resistor against a new program there that enables the school to track its pupils:
The proposed “tracking” method would require students to wear badges containing Radio Frequency Initiation (RFID) chips, and then track the chips embedded in the badges, presumably as a means of ensuring students don’t play hooky or go off-campus without permission, etc.
But Hernandez refuses to play along with the badges, even braving the threat of expulsion to do so. Why? Because she believes they’re Satanic, according to the blog God Discussion:
The choice has not been without controversy, as several parents have come forward with negative comments regarding their children.
Hernandez is claiming religious principles for refusing to carry her ID card, stating that she believes it is satanic, specifically calling it the “mark of the beast,” in reference to one of the interpretations of Christian biblical prophecy as outlined in the apocalyptic book, Revelation.
And while Hernandez’s reasons might strike some as odd, she’s having more success than one might initially expect, due partially to legal support from the nonprofit Rutherford Institute, which just successfully blocked her expulsion in court. Russia Today reports:
Andrea Hernandez was told she’d be expelled from John Jay High School’s Science and Engineering Academy in San Antonio starting next week if she insists any further on disobeying a new policy that requires students to wear ID badges equipped with tiny Radio Frequency Identification (“RFID”) chips. Now attorneys with the Rutherford Institute say Hernandez has been granted a temporary restraining order that will prohibit the Northside Independent School District from relocating the student to another facility.
“The court’s willingness to grant a temporary restraining order is a good first step, but there is still a long way to go — not just in this case, but dealing with the mindset, in general, that everyone needs to be monitored and controlled,”Rutherford Institute President John Whitehead says in a statement.
“Regimes in the past have always started with the schools, where they develop a compliant citizenry. These ‘Student Locator’ programs are ultimately aimed at getting students used to living in a total surveillance state where there will be no privacy, and wherever you go and whatever you text or email will be watched by the government.”
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According to San Antonio’s KENS5 News, a judge gave Hernandez a temporary restraining order from the school district and ruled on Wednesday that the principal’s orders to make the surveillance mandatory were a violation of the student’s speech and religion.
NBC Latino has also filed a video report on Hernandez’s religion-focused protest against this new program. It can be watched below:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>VIDEO AT LINK<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/want-to-know-where-your-wife-is-saudi-arabia-has-an-app-for-that/
Want To Know Where Your Wife Is? Saudi Arabia Has An App For That
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Story at link<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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Religious grounds? What religion safeguards you from tracking? To keep the principal from knowing what prayer session you were attending at school? Do they even have prayer sessions at schools anymore? Excepting Catholic or other religious schools, of course. I'm confused. I never had any freedoms when I went to school, so I guess I'm out of touch. Teachers, proctors, hall monitors, nuns and more prowled the premises back in those days and my parents were comfortable with that and with on the spot corporal punishment to boot. The best reason for student RFIDs in my mind is just knowing who is (was) in school where they are (were) when some kind of emergency (fire, flood, collapse, hostage situation or routine gunfight) happens. The parents are always the first to demand from school officials in any kind of emergency where their children are, are they safe, etc. What better or faster way to get a handle on this info than to have an RFID system? I don't like the badge idea, so why not implant the RFID chips under the kid's skin to be removed as a rite of passage at the graduation ceremony. Brings new meaning to the phrase "bend over and grab your ankles" eh?
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Religious grounds? What religion safeguards you from tracking? To keep the principal from knowing what prayer session you were attending at school? Do they even have prayer sessions at schools anymore? Excepting Catholic or other religious schools, of course. I'm confused. I never had any freedoms when I went to school, so I guess I'm out of touch. Teachers, proctors, hall monitors, nuns and more prowled the premises back in those days and my parents were comfortable with that and with on the spot corporal punishment to boot. The best reason for student RFIDs in my mind is just knowing who is (was) in school where they are (were) when some kind of emergency (fire, flood, collapse, hostage situation or routine gunfight) happens. The parents are always the first to demand from school officials in any kind of emergency where their children are, are they safe, etc. What better or faster way to get a handle on this info than to have an RFID system? I don't like the badge idea, so why not implant the RFID chips under the kid's skin to be removed as a rite of passage at the graduation ceremony. Brings new meaning to the phrase "bend over and grab your ankles" eh?
Read Revelations , it refers to the "number of the Beast" that every one will be required to have.
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Sounds like she and her 'advisers' are taking every approach possible to stop this encroachment on privacy.
There might be no legal or religious or constitutional basis to stop it, but that doesn't mean letting it happen is the 'right' thing to do.
I will re-quote the closing line of that post here about dinner with BHO.
"You should have stopped me at the dinner roll."
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The distinction that I'm not seeing made is that the RFID tracking is designed to take place in a CLOSED ENVIRONMENT. Most of the discussions and comments concerning violations of privacy are appropriate in an OPEN ENVIRONMENT... our homes, our cars, the places we shop, our everyday travels here and there. Omnipresent tracking in a free society is wrong on many levels. A high school has never been and should never become a FREE environment in the sense that the kids should be able to go anywhere they want and whenever they want.
And it CAN be viewed as a security issue. In the instance of an active shooter or natural disaster, I want first responders to KNOW where my child is located within that campus. Or if someone is monitoring the system for "outliers", I want the administrators to know that the gym teacher is alone in the shower with a single student. I want the administrators to know if the same five kids meet in the bathroom everyday after school. I want the administrators to know that the same kid plants himself in a secluded area everyday and experiences a steady flow of visitors that stay only a minute or two - just long enough to buy their dope.
A high school is not a free and open environment populated only by adults. We're talking about an environment full of raging hormones, poor judgement, peer pressure, impulsiveness, and just plain stupidity. A high school is where we are supposed to be training these kids to BECOME adults. Until these kids become adults we need to treat them as what they are... juveniles that need to be controlled. Those who pettifog when debating this issue by incorporating religion or first amendment rights are attempting to win by distraction.
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It's all well and good till the school wants to slip the chip under the skin of Jr's forearm. Just let them keep chipping slowly away at freedom till there is nothing left. If the school needs to know who is in the head at at 1000, send a human in to see. Oh wait, the union says that isn't the teachers job. I think we have the government up our ass far enough. No need for them to go any farther.
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The distinction that I'm not seeing made is that the RFID tracking is designed to take place in a CLOSED ENVIRONMENT. Most of the discussions and comments concerning violations of privacy are appropriate in an OPEN ENVIRONMENT... our homes, our cars, the places we shop, our everyday travels here and there. Omnipresent tracking in a free society is wrong on many levels. A high school has never been and should never become a FREE environment in the sense that the kids should be able to go anywhere they want and whenever they want.
And it CAN be viewed as a security issue. In the instance of an active shooter or natural disaster, I want first responders to KNOW where my child is located within that campus. Or if someone is monitoring the system for "outliers", I want the administrators to know that the gym teacher is alone in the shower with a single student. I want the administrators to know if the same five kids meet in the bathroom everyday after school. I want the administrators to know that the same kid plants himself in a secluded area everyday and experiences a steady flow of visitors that stay only a minute or two - just long enough to buy their dope.
A high school is not a free and open environment populated only by adults. We're talking about an environment full of raging hormones, poor judgement, peer pressure, impulsiveness, and just plain stupidity. A high school is where we are supposed to be training these kids to BECOME adults. Until these kids become adults we need to treat them as what they are... juveniles that need to be controlled. Those who pettifog when debating this issue by incorporating religion or first amendment rights are attempting to win by distraction.
I worry the training to become adults is more like indoctrination to become willing subjects. We wore RFID cards in High School...so why not in College...and have one in our Driver's License...
It's for the children, after all.
And it will give our children more security.....they need to learn it is fine to trade a bit of freedom for the extra security.
We are, or used to be, repulsed by the movie dialog "Show me your papers." Well, hearing that won't be a worry any longer. They don't need to ask....don't need to see them... Your "papers" can be read remotely and automatically.
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What happened to teachers being in the room and taking attendance? Worked when I was in school in the 60's and 70's, and it worked in the early 90's when I was in college.
To many notes passed in the next day signed "epsteins mom" ;D
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To many notes passed in the next day signed "epsteins mom" ;D
Chips ain't going to change that!
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I worry the training to become adults is more like indoctrination to become willing subjects. We wore RFID cards in High School...so why not in College...and have one in our Driver's License...
Many of us seem to be indoctrinated already. According to the CTIA (http://www.ctia.org/advocacy/research/index.cfm/aid/10323 (http://www.ctia.org/advocacy/research/index.cfm/aid/10323)), over 321 million of us already carry a tracking device - and we do it voluntarily. There are one billion facebook users (http://newsroom.fb.com/Key-Facts (http://newsroom.fb.com/Key-Facts)) - many of whom divulge everything from who they slept with to who they intend to murder - and they do it voluntarily. If you have OnStar, Progressive Snapshot, a checking account, or a credit card you have voluntarily abrogated your right to privacy within those realms. If you use a "customer savings card" from a store such as CVS or Kroger then you have voluntarily agreed to have your purchasing patterns analyzed and an incredibly detailed personal profile generated and then shared among marketing firms.
Is it even possible to be untraceable today? Some would argue that privacy, in the traditional sense, no longer exists. Some would say it hasn't existed for a long time... and we were all too busy giving it away to notice.
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Many of us seem to be indoctrinated already. According to the CTIA (http://www.ctia.org/advocacy/research/index.cfm/aid/10323 (http://www.ctia.org/advocacy/research/index.cfm/aid/10323)), over 321 million of us already carry a tracking device - and we do it voluntarily. There are one billion facebook users (http://newsroom.fb.com/Key-Facts (http://newsroom.fb.com/Key-Facts)) - many of whom divulge everything from who they slept with to who they intend to murder - and they do it voluntarily. If you have OnStar, Progressive Snapshot, a checking account, or a credit card you have voluntarily abrogated your right to privacy within those realms. If you use a "customer savings card" from a store such as CVS or Kroger then you have voluntarily agreed to have your purchasing patterns analyzed and an incredibly detailed personal profile generated and then shared among marketing firms.
Is it even possible to be untraceable today? Some would argue that privacy, in the traditional sense, no longer exists. Some would say it hasn't existed for a long time... and we were all too busy giving it away to notice.
Are you saying we shouldn't mind this because everyone is doing it anyway?
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JLawson, you captured what I was trying to say better than I did! My comment re implanting was meant to be humorous, knowing how easy it is to defeat badge RFID systems. I am not advocating tracking once the kids leave school grounds, but I appreciate the skepticism of those who feel that "government" will find excuses to extend the tracking zones just as they have the school responsibility zone for firearms. It's the slippery slope that leads to bigger brother and loss of more freedoms.
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The silver lining lies in humans' tendency towards laziness and that would apply to Big Brother as well. Once these types of systems are in place they become the solution for everything and if it doesn't exist within the system then it becomes too much work for the stereotypical lazy bureaucrat. So those that want to stay off the grid, or maintain a low profile, can do so effectively even if they already have a "footprint".
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Are you saying we shouldn't mind this because everyone is doing it anyway?
I'm saying that using a RFID tracking system within the constraints, and ONLY within the constraints, of a high school campus does not distinguish itself as a violation of privacy. I also question the veracity of this student's 'struggle for freedom'. I suspect that she still uses her mobile phone, her Daddy's credit card, the Internet, and email. If she truly wants to take a stand against violations of her privacy then she should walk away from all of those things and then the totality of her actions might sway the opinion of skeptics such as myself. Until she does that, I will view this as the equivocal grandstanding of a precocious albeit rebellious kid whose puppeteers' agenda far exceeds her own dedication to the cause of privacy.
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I'd rather look at it as objecting to being forced to do something you choose to do voluntarily in different circumstances.
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I'm saying that using a RFID tracking system within the constraints, and ONLY within the constraints, of a high school campus does not distinguish itself as a violation of privacy. I also question the veracity of this student's 'struggle for freedom'. I suspect that she still uses her mobile phone, her Daddy's credit card, the Internet, and email. If she truly wants to take a stand against violations of her privacy then she should walk away from all of those things and then the totality of her actions might sway the opinion of skeptics such as myself. Until she does that, I will view this as the equivocal grandstanding of a precocious albeit rebellious kid whose puppeteers' agenda far exceeds her own dedication to the cause of privacy.
If I were her age I'd do the same damn thing as a librtarian, and throw in the "End Times" stuff, just so the fundies would be on my side and bust a gut laughing. It would be like the Battle of Stalingrad, you don't really care who wins, you just want a lot of casualties. ;D Got to say though, I wouldn't carry one, and would introduce mine to a nice high powered magnet.
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This will come to pass. No one will fight it hard enough not to. Just like Obama Care. 65+% of the people don't want it, but they reelect the asshole who gave it to them. People pay good money every month for this sort of thing. If they didn't On Star would have gone broke. The only reason it will now is because "smart phones" do this for most everyone who carries one. They are so accurate one of the machine operators where I work can find the foreman anywhere in the shop with his. It's accurate to + - 10 feet. He literally knows when he's taking a dump.
He brought up the screen on his when we were clocking out. It followed us out of the building, out into the parking lot, and right up to where his car was parked.
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This will come to pass. No one will fight it hard enough not to. Just like Obama Care. 65+% of the people don't want it, but they reelect the asshole who gave it to them. People pay good money every month for this sort of thing. If they didn't On Star would have gone broke. The only reason it will now is because "smart phones" do this for most everyone who carries one. They are so accurate one of the machine operators where I work can find the foreman anywhere in the shop with his. It's accurate to + - 10 feet. He literally knows when he's taking a dump.
He brought up the screen on his when we were clocking out. It followed us out of the building, out into the parking lot, and right up to where his car was parked.
The fact that people just accept this makes me crazy. I think that NCIS LA is the scariest show on TV based on how they can track people with cell phones and traffic cameras and the like. I know its Hollywood, but its not too far off the mark. And people think this a good thing. I've taught poli sci sinceI was 22. Lesson the first, the government is NOT your friend. When will people get this?
PS To save Tom the time posting, I know, its the day after its too late for the dumb bastards to do anything about it. >:(
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The fact that people just accept this makes me crazy. I think that NCIS LA is the scariest show on TV based on how they can track people with cell phones and traffic cameras and the like. I know its Hollywood, but its not too far off the mark. And people think this a good thing. I've taught poli sci sinceI was 22. Lesson the first, the government is NOT your friend. When will people get this?
PS To save Tom the time posting, I know, its the day after its too late for the dumb bastards to do anything about it. >:(
Yep.
The rats usually don't know they are caught until they have a broke neck.
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The fact that people just accept this makes me crazy. I think that NCIS LA is the scariest show on TV based on how they can track people with cell phones and traffic cameras and the like. I know its Hollywood, but its not too far off the mark. And people think this a good thing. I've taught poli sci sinceI was 22. Lesson the first, the government is NOT your friend. When will people get this?
PS To save Tom the time posting, I know, its the day after its too late for the dumb bastards to do anything about it. >:(
Damn, nothing to do now but go play cribbage. :-\
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Damn, nothing to do now but go play cribbage. :-\
;D
Can someone explain that game? I know it involves cards and a board with pegs, but beyond that......
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I've been telling you all that he was over educated and under smart.
Do you believe me now ? ;D
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I'm just not a geriatric Tom. For God's sake, who under fifty plays cribbage? I'm curious so I ask, as I respect the traditions of my elders. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I'm just not a geriatric Tom. For God's sake, who under fifty plays cribbage? I'm curious so I ask, as I respect the traditions of my elders. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Half the Army and Marines, and all the Navy.
The rest are playing Spades.
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Half the Army and Marines, and all the Navy.
The rest are playing Spades.
And here I thought they were all playing Super Mario on their I-pad. ;D I guess it skipped a generation. ;)
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My mother got the 18 y/o to play when she was 10 and she pays her mom all the time. Then again, the wife was a Squid.
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I'm just not a geriatric Tom. For God's sake, who under fifty plays cribbage? I'm curious so I ask, as I respect the traditions of my elders. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Most of our family! We just played a tournament at our family Christmas Saturday afternoon.
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Fine. I will listen since it seems I'm missing out. Someone explain the game to me and I'll give a shot.
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Fine. I will listen since it seems I'm missing out. Someone explain the game to me and I'll give a shot.
Step 1 ; find another player. (it's a 2 player game )
Step 2 ; let them teach you
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You can try this, FQ.
http://www.stanwardine.com/Cribbage.html
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FQ, you can play cribbage "solo", too. Just Google solo cribbage for sites that will teach you. Stay out of the bung hole and keep your powder dry.
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FQ, you can play cribbage "solo", too. ON THE COMPUTER Just Google solo cribbage for sites that will teach you. Stay out of the bung hole and keep your powder dry.
FIFY, kind of takes the fun out of it if your using actual cards.
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Yeah, Tom, agree. But he might be able to learn enough to begin playing with a partner, graduating to playing for matches (remember that?). Damn, what a fine old game.
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Yeah, Tom, agree. But he might be able to learn enough to begin playing with a partner, graduating to playing for matches (remember that?). Damn, what a fine old game.
Dude, this is FQ we're talking about, he took about 17 years of school and still ain't the brightest bulb in the lamp. ;D