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Title: SR556
Post by: blackwolfe on May 15, 2009, 11:13:59 AM
Found this  at the high road. I couldn't figure out how to post the picture here, so here is a link.  MSRP $1995. Page 3 post No. 66
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=431682&page=3
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: ericire12 on May 15, 2009, 11:23:18 AM
(http://i516.photobucket.com/albums/u321/definc/ruger556.jpg)
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: shooter32 on May 15, 2009, 11:28:39 AM
Someone told us so... ???

When it's official....  ;)
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: ericire12 on May 15, 2009, 12:00:01 PM
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/SR556/
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: ericire12 on May 15, 2009, 12:00:54 PM
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/SR556/video.html
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: tombogan03884 on May 15, 2009, 12:03:32 PM
Ho hum.
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: atmiller on May 15, 2009, 12:06:05 PM
Another entry into the over-crowded AR marketplace. 

Title: Re: SR556
Post by: tombogan03884 on May 15, 2009, 12:10:36 PM
Most of the components aren't even Ruger products, Troy, Hogue, Mag pul, at least it's a piston system.
Now if they offered it in .308......
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: Texas_Bryan on May 15, 2009, 12:11:41 PM
Most of the components aren't even Ruger products, Troy, Hogue, Mag pul, at least it's a piston system.
Now if they offered it in .308......

At least they didn't try to pass it off as a hunting only rifle.
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: Timothy on May 15, 2009, 12:17:48 PM
They all look the same to me!

I like Ruger, always have but YAWN.....!!!

Kinda like the last auto maker to start making Mini-Vans or SUV's about the time they were no longer the "Flavor of the Month"....
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: fightingquaker13 on May 15, 2009, 12:21:21 PM
Is it just me, or would any one else be more excited if they would have just offered a mini-14 that would taker AR mags (like they should have done the first time)? $2000 dollars for a stock AR? ::) I wish I had some of what they were smoking up in Hartford.
FQ13
PS I reserve the right to mock if you pony up the 2 large to buy this thing unless the reviews not only glow, but set the page they're written on fire.
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: ellis4538 on May 15, 2009, 12:31:59 PM
I agree with fightingquaker...a Mini that excepts AR mags would have been much better!

IMHO

Richard

PS:  Or a 1911 even!
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: Texas_Bryan on May 15, 2009, 12:33:04 PM
Is it just me, or would any one else be more excited if they would have just offered a mini-14 that would taker AR mags (like they should have done the first time)? $2000 dollars for a stock AR? ::) I wish I had some of what they were smoking up in Hartford.
FQ13
PS I reserve the right to mock if you pony up the 2 large to buy this thing unless the reviews not only glow, but set the page they're written on fire.

Don't forget its gas piston, while you can buy a gas piston AR for about $1500, if this proves to be a excellent performer than it may be worth the premium price.  But I agree, if a AR mag Mini was possible I'd be more excited about that.
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: C.O.T.U.S. on May 15, 2009, 12:33:51 PM
I was excited by the prospect of something new from ruger.  Ilike alot of what they have done latley.  However they "new" sr-556 is a big miss.
I would have preferred a polymer framed 1911 as I had seen rumored on another sight.
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: addict on May 15, 2009, 12:52:22 PM
MSRP over 1900??? :-X. WOW! This is one that the company likes more than I do. Love my Saiga AK sporters at 300$ and my Rock River ARs on Spikes lowers. Maybe there is someone who will buy that but unless I find one for 75% off it wont be in my collection. Back to drooling on the STI 1911's!! :D
Addict
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: Timothy on May 15, 2009, 12:57:39 PM
I'm not knocking why anyone needs a polymer 1911.  I'm asking why?

I have a 1911 with an aluminum frame which when disassembled weighs almost nothing.  I just don't get the trend toward polymer, at least in the handgun market.  They do tend to be a little lighter but not by much and lighter isn't always better.  Ask anyone who has fired a S&W .357 mag out of an Airlite J-Frame....it hurts!

Other than price, which is definately important, what is the infatuation with plastic?  I just don't get it!  Kimber tried, discontinued the model.  Wilson is trying and we shall see, though they will be real pricey!  You want plastic, ask Eric....BUY a GLOCK!  

I nearly drank the kool-aid myself and sprung for an M&P and I may in the future, but for now....I like the feel and heft of a gun and the time and engineering involved in producing a precise instrument.  Injection molding, while interesting, just doesn't have the same effect on my senses.
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: C.O.T.U.S. on May 15, 2009, 01:04:44 PM
Why a polymer 1911?  I don't know if I would buy one.  However, A new 1911 would be more exciting than a $2000 gun that has already been made by Sig for cheaper. 
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: ericire12 on May 15, 2009, 01:16:04 PM
Extensive pics, video, and review:

http://gunblast.com/Ruger-SR556.htm





Also:

Quote
Ammunition     Velocity     Group Size
Winchester USA 62 FMJ    2879    1.375
Winchester USA 55 FMJ     2858    1.75
Extreme Shock 62 FHVL      2712    1.75
Extreme Shock 55 SRT     2453    1.18
Extreme Shock 100 ASP     1071    Not Tested
Black Hills 55 SP     2901    0.75
Wolf Gold Match 75 BTHP    2495    0.875
Mag Tech 55 FMJ    2909    1.18
Buffalo Bore 69 Sierra    2839    0.675
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: Timothy on May 15, 2009, 01:18:52 PM
Why a polymer 1911?  I don't know if I would buy one.  However, A new 1911 would be more exciting than a $2000 gun that has already been made by Sig for cheaper. 

Now that is a statement that makes sense!  I am curious as too how much Wilson Combat is gonna charge for a "yet to be named" pistol...Yes, it's a 1911 but it's currently only chambered in 9 x 19...I expect it to be at or near a grand...and it still weighs MORE than my Para LTC in .45 ACP....

They want 650 and up for their striker fired glocky-xd-sr9-yada yada looking thing...
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: ericire12 on May 15, 2009, 01:22:21 PM
http://sr-556.com/
http://sr556.com/
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: mudman on May 15, 2009, 01:39:25 PM
Who cares.10 years late & $1000.00 to high. :( :( :(
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: C.O.T.U.S. on May 15, 2009, 01:48:18 PM
At least now we know why we had a hard time buyin' Magpul pmags.  Ruger bought them all for there "new release"! ;D
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: ericire12 on May 15, 2009, 01:57:25 PM
I bet they are made by Stag.   ;)
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: ratcatcher55 on May 15, 2009, 01:57:45 PM
Most of the components aren't even Ruger products, Troy, Hogue, Mag pul, at least it's a piston system.
Now if they offered it in .308......

Maybe they should say assembled at Ruger instead of manufactured.

I got my XCR for $1400.00 a few years ago. The Robinson appears a better weapon but time will tell.

I hope Ruger has good luck with it.
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: Texas_Bryan on May 15, 2009, 02:00:10 PM
I bet they are made by Stag.

Bushmaster's gas piston AR's are made by POF.  The gas piston system that is.
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: Ping on May 15, 2009, 02:02:44 PM
That is a chunk of change. Would rather get the Springfield M1A. I absolutely agree on a Mini 14 that accepts AR mags. Cannot believe that has not been done yet??? As for AR's, I will stick with DPMS, Bushmaster or Rock River Arms.
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: ericire12 on May 15, 2009, 02:07:00 PM
Question?

Where is all the promised DRTV content on this ??? Its been 2 hours and no blog posts, no video, no twitter updates. Nothing.(http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0024.gif)
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: 1911 Junkie on May 15, 2009, 02:19:15 PM
Question?

Where is all the promised DRTV content on this ??? Its been 2 hours and no blog posts, no video, no twitter updates. Nothing.(http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0024.gif)

Maybe they all fell asleep when this turned out to be the "big" announcement.

"Hey guys, great news. We're making the same thing as everyone else for more money. It's gonna be great!"  ::)
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: PegLeg45 on May 15, 2009, 02:24:52 PM
Question?

Where is all the promised DRTV content on this ??? Its been 2 hours and no blog posts, no video, no twitter updates. Nothing.(http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0024.gif)

They're probably all busy getting to and settled at the NRA Show. Today is opening day.   ;)
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: BML325 on May 15, 2009, 02:27:03 PM
Great another AR platform gun that you can't buy for 6 to 12 months, even if you could afford it.

I wish these guys would announce a temporary increase in current production to meet the exhisting demand of everything.

I saw guns at shot show that still are not on the shelves yet.
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: ericire12 on May 15, 2009, 02:46:39 PM
From Gun Blast, here is the extent of the "redefining the platform":

Quote
The gas system on the SR-556 is adjustable. There are four positions on the gas adjustment knob, numbered from 0 to 3. The 0 position shuts off the gas that is bled from the barrel to operate the action. In this position, the rifle acts like a straight-pull bolt action, and the action must be manually cycled. This is a good idea for training a new shooter on the AR design, as the rifle will not self-load after each shot. Also, if for whatever reason you do not want to leave a piece of brass on the ground, you can set the knob to 0 and the case will not be ejected. The standard position for most ammunition with be the number 2 position. The numbers 1 and 3 positions have gas ports that are slightly smaller and slightly larger than the number 2 position, respectively. The number 1 position is useful if the ammo is on the warm side, bleeding off a bit less gas, and cycling more gently than the standard number 2 setting. If the weapon has become dirty from shooting, or from blowing silt and sand, or if a batch of weak ammo is encountered, the number 3 position will bleed off a bit more gas to operate the action with more authority.

http://gunblast.com/Ruger-SR556.htm
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: ericire12 on May 15, 2009, 02:52:25 PM
Here is YouTube of the Gun Blast video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4nTJvvLF3I
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: fightingquaker13 on May 15, 2009, 02:56:57 PM
You know, I understand that Ruger has never been an innovater. They made their bones by taking other people's designs and making them sturdier, more realible and cheaper (colt with their SA revolvers, and the MI with the mini and 10-22). This is ok as I have owned, shot and loved their products. But this is too much. I can buy a new Bushmaster for a grand give or take. Does anyone think that with another $1000, I can't send it to a custom shop and get a better rifle than the Ruger? :'(
FQ13
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: PegLeg45 on May 15, 2009, 03:06:28 PM
You know, I understand that Ruger has never been an innovater. They made their bones by taking other people's designs and making them sturdier, more realible and cheaper (colt with their SA revolvers, and the MI with the mini and 10-22). This is ok as I have owned, shot and loved their products. But this is too much. I can buy a new Bushmaster for a grand give or take. Does anyone think that with another $1000, I can't send it to a custom shop and get a better rifle than the Ruger? :'(
FQ13

Ruger's first product he made was the most popular .22 caliber target pistol ever made in the US.
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: ericire12 on May 15, 2009, 03:07:48 PM
You know.... when the guys at AR15.com are even saying the price is too high, THEN THE PRICE IS TOO DAMN HIGH!

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=872967&page=7
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: ericire12 on May 15, 2009, 03:12:37 PM
(http://inlinethumb47.webshots.com/43822/2049848830103476461S600x600Q85.jpg)



(http://www.smileyx.com/smilies/innocent0009.gif)
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: Ksail101 on May 15, 2009, 03:20:14 PM
I wish it was a "retro", Slab-side, GI 1911. in .45ACP with an offering in 10mm. Just my two cents...

But I had the feeling they would go with the AR. Everyone major manufacture now has one. Smith, Para, Colt (of course),Remington, ect ect and now Ruger.

The real question is are they too late??????

Even if it is a good product will people buy another AR if they have one, and will first time buyers right now go for something not proven in the sandbox, in SWAT\LE. Cause there are alot that have already proven themselves as real combat rifles.

With the issues of the 416 are people still hyped to buy piston AR's????
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: fightingquaker13 on May 15, 2009, 03:24:15 PM
(http://inlinethumb47.webshots.com/43822/2049848830103476461S600x600Q85.jpg)



(http://www.smileyx.com/smilies/innocent0009.gif)
Please tell me this is a joke, because otherwise I won't know whether to laugh or cry. I love Ruger products, but seriously, this whole thing makes me ::).
FQ13
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: 1911 Junkie on May 15, 2009, 04:44:59 PM
Do you think the people at Ruger are reading this and saying "they're supposed to love it. Why don't they love it?"

Redefined?  Only if it stays recall free.
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: Timothy on May 15, 2009, 04:49:18 PM
Do you think the people at Ruger are reading this and saying "they're supposed to love it. Why don't they love it?"

Redefined?  Only if it stays recall free.

Probably!  What do they expect though, a whole lot of hype after two consecutive recall events and then THIS?  They have timed these last three events like a Daniel Steele novel release.  The market seems ripe for it and then, who knows?

Besides, they are no longer a privately held company.  Put up or go away into obscurity.
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: philw on May 15, 2009, 05:00:38 PM
well  even with the price ( I would if I could )   looks like I won't be getting it   :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
just like the LCR, LCP,  10/22  not for me  :'( :'(


not knowing much about AR pricing

if you say  $1000 is over priced   for 2K  it would want to be the Apple Mac of AR's
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: TAB on May 15, 2009, 05:05:32 PM
didn't sig come out with this a couple years back?

 ;D


No really what was Ruger thinking... a 2k MSRP ar... yeah that should sell like hot cakes.... no
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: Hazcat on May 15, 2009, 05:15:47 PM
Ho hum.

What he said ;)
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: CJS3 on May 15, 2009, 05:23:06 PM
Would have been nice with a folding stock. MSRP puts it out of the park, unless I sell off more of my collection. I don't know if I could get by with less than 60 firearms in the safes.
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: tombogan03884 on May 15, 2009, 05:26:23 PM
Would have been nice with a folding stock. MSRP puts it out of the park, unless I sell off more of my collection. I don't know if I could get by with less than 60 firearms in the safes.

That's the Para version
http://www.downrange.tv/blog/?page_id=6
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: Pathfinder on May 15, 2009, 05:27:10 PM
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I'll wait a year or two for the bugs to be worked out. Then I won't spend 2 large on an AR.
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: Timothy on May 15, 2009, 05:37:30 PM
I don't think this is going as well as the sponsor expected.....5 pages of WTF were they thinking? 

Luuuuccccyyyyy, you got sum 'splaining to doooooo!!!!!

Sorry MB....!  Your blog better get a blogging!

 :(
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: Texas_Bryan on May 15, 2009, 05:42:47 PM
Even if you folks aren't interested, there may be a couple guys out there that like it even with the price, ya'll just got them to scared to say so.  And if it doesn't take off with civilians, cops will probably be all over this, even with the 2K price tag.  To some LE agencies the name Ruger means something.
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: Ksail101 on May 15, 2009, 05:47:41 PM
Till I read on here that people thought the price was high I had no idea...

$2000 MSRP. WHAT????? Are you kidding? Is this the Rock River Killer or something????? That is in the Pro-Series Government range. And last time I checked FBI Hostage Rescue is running that gun basically the way it comes out the box, with a halo on it.

I dont know. I like Ruger. I hope it is everything that I am afraid its not. I would have been happy to see it, to begin with, in the 1300-1500 max MSRP. with a dealer price around 1100. And if it turns out to be great then jack it up.

If it turns out that all is good, then I might buy one. Just because I know how well Ruger can build a gun. But it will have to be a while before I jump into that.



Title: Re: SR556
Post by: fightingquaker13 on May 15, 2009, 06:00:37 PM
OK, five pages from gun nuts who are so easy  its lucky we weren't born girls. At least one of whom has plenty of cash to buy the thing (yes Bill I'm talking about you ;)), and zero positive comments. Not one, zero, zip, nada. They better hope they get a military, LEO or Mexican drug cartel contract or this thing will have the life expectancy of a startrek redshirt. Just sad.
FQ13
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: blackwolfe on May 15, 2009, 06:16:49 PM
I expect this will probably end up selling in the $1500-$1600 range after the intial rush, as some people will buy them whatever the cost.    I was told once years ago from a knowledgeable source that generaly the cost to wholesalelers for Ruger's products was 37% less than MSRP.  That formula would put it about $1257 to wholesalers.   I don't know if this is in line with other piston AR types or not as I haven't looked at them.

I would think that we will also see this in some other configureations.  I noticed that it uses Ruger's AC556 flash hider.  Unless Ruger changed it, the thread patern on the AC556 is not the standard AR thread pattern.  If Ruger kept the the AC556 threads, I think that would be a detrement to sales as the choices of other flash hiders and compensators would be limited.
 
Would be nice if you could get it as an upper only.

In addition to this I wish Ruger had made a standard AR with the Ruger name on it in the normal AR price range as I think that would sell.  It wouldn't be an existing platform redefined, but as I said, I think it would sell with the Ruger name on it if it was quality built.

What I think would sell even better is a .308 battle rifle.  Make it available in different configurations including blue steel and wood, with cheap common mags, and afordable.  That I think would sell extreamly well.   

Ruger are you listening?
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: Texas_Bryan on May 15, 2009, 06:23:03 PM
I expect this will probably end up selling in the $1500-$1600 range after the intial rush, as some people will buy them whatever the cost.    I was told once years ago from a knowledgeable source that generaly the cost to wholesalelers for Ruger's products was 37% less than MSRP.  That formula would put it about $1257 to wholesalers.   I don't know if this is in line with other piston AR types or not as I haven't looked at them.

I would think that we will also see this in some other configureations.  I noticed that it uses Ruger's AC556 flash hider.  Unless Ruger changed it, the thread patern on the AC556 is not the standard AR thread pattern.  If Ruger kept the the AC556 threads, I think that would be a detrement to sales as the choices of other flash hiders and compensators would be limited.
 
Would be nice if you could get it as an upper only.

In addition to this I wish Ruger had made a standard AR with the Ruger name on it in the normal AR price range as I think that would sell.  It wouldn't be an existing platform redefined, but as I said, I think it would sell with the Ruger name on it if it was quality built.

What I think would sell even better is a .308 battle rifle.  Make it available in different configurations including blue steel and wood, with cheap common mags, and afordable.  That I think would sell extreamly well.   

Ruger are you listening?

Bushmaster's goes for around $1500, POF $1500-$2000.  Didn't know the flash suppressor was removable, my Mini 14 GB has the same one.  They may bring out more after this one, after all, what of Ruger do they only have one type of?  Should have made an M1A they are already experience on the platform, but I guess its a fanboy thing. :-\
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: ericire12 on May 15, 2009, 06:28:10 PM
OK, five pages from gun nuts who are so easy  its lucky we weren't born girls. At least one of whom has plenty of cash to buy the thing (yes Bill I'm talking about you ;)), and zero positive comments. Not one, zero, zip, nada. They better hope they get a military, LEO or Mexican drug cartel contract or this thing will have the life expectancy of a startrek redshirt. Just sad.
FQ13

Well, the problem here centers around the price point...... This looks to me like this is probably a pretty solid rifle and should perform as good or better then most entry level ARs..... the problem is that Ruger does not have the cred in this market niche to try and sell a $2000 AR.

Yes, they added about $300 or $400 or so in "upgrades" to this rifle (Some of which I personally would not want on it if it were my AR). However, the bottom line here is that this is NOT a $2000 rifle. They should have left off some of the candy and came to market with a more standard AR at around the $1000-$1200 price point.

This gun will not fly off the shelves.  
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: TAB on May 15, 2009, 06:37:44 PM
ruger does not have the cred to build anything that costs 2k.

hell thier latest guns have all had recalls, and these were lower priced guns.   no one is going to spend what ammounts to the upper end of the market price for a "new and unproven design" From a company that has had a very bad track record of the last few years.   Not to mention that ruger has never been known for thier fit and finish or their machine work. 
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: dj454 on May 15, 2009, 06:43:17 PM
If I buy an AR it will be of the gas piston variety. I do not like the direct impingment system on AR's. This rifle appears to have everything I want in an AR. I know the gas piston AR's are more expensive(the reason I don't own one yet) but 2k seems realy steep even with all the goodies it comes with. I'm sure they will sell for less but I don't know if the market is too crowded for yet another AR. And to the the people hoping to see another 1911 would that really be any better what can be done to a 1911 that hasn't already been done 10 times over. I hope this rifle does well because I like their products but I am skeptical after the past 2 recalls. I am excited about the LCR(R not P)but I will wait on that one as well to see if there are any issues with it.
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: blackwolfe on May 15, 2009, 06:50:01 PM
TexasBryan,
The AC556 and GB flash hiders are removeable, at least the older ones are.  I think the end of the barrel actually stops against a shoulder  on the inside of the flash hider.  I have one laying around hear somewhere.  I think it is 9/16 x ?  It may not even be a standard 9/16.  I was tinkering with a 10/22 converting it to look like a min Mini-14.
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: Texas_Bryan on May 15, 2009, 06:50:47 PM
ruger does not have the cred to build anything that costs 2k.

hell thier latest guns have all had recalls, and these were lower priced guns.   no one is going to spend what ammounts to the upper end of the market price for a "new and unproven design" From a company that has had a very bad track record of the last few years.   Not to mention that ruger has never been known for thier fit and finish or their machine work. 

The SR9 and LCP were 'new and unproven', AR's aren't, lesser known companies make AR's and make them well.  I'm going to give Ruger the benefit here, gas piston, full quad rails, and troy sights that may come out to $2000.  Am I going to buy it, no, I don't want a $2000 AR, but some one, hell I bet alot of people, would like to buy it.  Look at premium ARs out there from companies like Sabre Defense and the like, they're almost the same price and they aren't gas piston.  Bottom line is this is a premium priced AR, but being Ruger we were expecting something in the middle of the road.  That is what I think your disappointed in, not this weapon or its price, give it a couple of mouths and I bet Ruger comes out with the value based weapon we expect.
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: twyacht on May 15, 2009, 07:09:41 PM
Did some of the former auto execs. go to Ruger?

Who decided the price point at $1900-$2000?

M+P 15T AR's started at $700-800.00 made to STAG specs, and sold, than the greed and "BHO scare started", and prices went up. I understand market dictates price, but Geez..... Promo price would have been a better call. SEEING HOW 5.56 & .223 AMMO IS SCARCE!

Now, a company that has NEVER made an AR clone is out with one. Not saying its bad, it may be awesome, but $2000?

ruger does not have the cred to build anything that costs 2k.

hell thier latest guns have all had recalls, and these were lower priced guns.   no one is going to spend what ammounts to the upper end of the market price for a "new and unproven design" From a company that has had a very bad track record of the last few years.   Not to mention that ruger has never been known for thier fit and finish or their machine work. 

WOW! I agree with TAB. :o My Sig 556 was $1150.00 last year, NOW they are around $1400-$1500.  Where is the marketing, demographic, and competition research team at Ruger. For that price, I'll get the DPMS with extras....

Title: Re: SR556
Post by: long762range on May 15, 2009, 07:23:11 PM
I'm just afraid that the trigger pull will be about 20 pounds like my GP100 felt.  I loved the GP100 but I could not keep it on target with a double action pull.  Put a lot of holes in the upper right quadrent until I took it to a good smith who lightened and smooth the trigger.

For me so spend 2k on a rifle it had better darn well be national match quality and give me 1 moa at the least.
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: 1776 Rebel on May 15, 2009, 07:28:03 PM
Step 1 - Ruger CEO reads the newspaper and sees that GUNS are hot.
Step 2 - Ruger design team works on blueprints for NEW GUN
Step 3 - Ruger design team decides its easier to take government specs on AR to management and pitch it as NEW
Step 4 - Ruger CEO says to design team "what is that?"
Step 5 - Ruger design team tells him it will be the hottest NEW GUN on the market
Step 6 - Approval granted to manufacture
Step 7 - Grand Unveiling May 15 2009
Step 8 - Volume shipment to begin May 15 2010
Step 9 - Recall announced on NEW GUN May 16 2010
Step 10 - Ruger CEO reads newspaper that GUNS no longer hot May 17 2010
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: ericire12 on May 15, 2009, 07:32:09 PM
I'm just afraid that the trigger pull will be about 20 pounds like my GP100 felt.  I loved the GP100 but I could not keep it on target with a double action pull.  Put a lot of holes in the upper right quadrent until I took it to a good smith who lightened and smooth the trigger.

For me to spend 2k on a rifle it had better darn well be national match quality and give me 1 moa at the least.

If I am going to spend $2,000 on an AR, I'll go buy TWO Stag ARs!
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: ericire12 on May 15, 2009, 07:35:45 PM
Bane Ruger video here:
http://www.downrange.tv/blog/?page_id=6


Unauthorized version here:
Quote
I was standing at Ruger's booth when Michael Bane showed up to film. Captured the event on my FlipCam....and here it is for your readers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNmIlSdM3hw
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: Big Frank on May 15, 2009, 07:57:14 PM
I'd rather have the rifle Para USA has with a folding stock.
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: Rastus on May 15, 2009, 08:11:48 PM
..............What I think would sell even better is a .308 battle rifle.  ...........
Ruger are you listening?

Yeah.  .308.

Also...an SR9 that didn't have a 10lb trigger...or a trigger upgrade you could buy to get to the 4-7 lb range.


Although I must say I am pleasantly surprised with the LCR, which I own.  My SR9...gave that to someone with hopes of a real trigger some day so I can buy another one or two and make it my carry weapon...
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: fightingquaker13 on May 15, 2009, 08:14:15 PM
Yeah.  .308.

Also...an SR9 that didn't have a 10lb trigger...or a trigger upgrade you could buy to get to the 4-7 lb range.

If you're charging me 2K for a rifle, it damn well better not need upgrades.
FQ13
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: Big Frank on May 15, 2009, 08:16:13 PM
For $2K it should come with a bayonet lug and and bayonet.
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: fullautovalmet76 on May 15, 2009, 08:25:14 PM
The one thing I noticed here that most have overlooked is the ammunition question. Assuming that I would want to spend $2K for this rifle, where will I get the ammo to shoot it? As of this date, ammo is still scarce and a purchase of this rifle would be nothing more than buying a $2K club.

And this next comment touches Para too:
The AR market is extremely crowded right now. I do not see the rationale to get into this market with nothing more than a "me too" product.

The AR market reminds me of the SUV market in the early to middle part of this decade. In business school I learned that one of the signs that a market is saturated is when manufacturers that normally produce luxury goods of type X, start producing luxury goods of type Y, though type Y is produced by everyone and their kid brother. And we know what happened to the SUV market when gas prices started rising past $2.75 per gallon.....

We are seeing the peak of the AR market and that means consolidation and lower prices may not be too far off in the future.....

Ruger could have wowed me with the best AK 47 ever produced, but that title is owned by Valmet of Finland......
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: 1911 Junkie on May 15, 2009, 08:29:37 PM
But it comes with 3 mags.

Now it doesn't seem overpriced at all. ::)
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: fightingquaker13 on May 15, 2009, 08:33:38 PM
Well said on every point, but I'll tell you why Ruger is doing this. Colt's contrct with the military is coming up to expire. They want to get it. The same way they were hoping to get the military to adopt the mni as a carbine (which would have been easier if it took the @$#$ AR mags). The problem is that the army is starting to reconsider .556 and looking at a heavier caliber. Ruger is saying "Me too, and mine is better". Maybe. But now would have been the time to innovate and come up with something new and shiny in say .308.
FQ13
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: PegLeg45 on May 15, 2009, 08:38:33 PM
The one thing I noticed here that most have overlooked is the ammunition question. Assuming that I would want to spend $2K for this rifle, where will I get the ammo to shoot it? As of this date, ammo is still scarce and a purchase of this rifle would be nothing more than buying a $2K club.

And this next comment touches Para too:
The AR market is extremely crowded right now. I do not see the rationale to get into this market with nothing more than a "me too" product.

The AR market reminds me of the SUV market in the early to middle part of this decade. In business school I learned that one of the signs that a market is saturated is when manufacturers that normally produce luxury goods of type X, start producing luxury goods of type Y, though type Y is produced by everyone and their kid brother. And we know what happened to the SUV market when gas prices started rising past $2.75 per gallon.....

We are seeing the peak of the AR market and that means consolidation and lower prices may not be too far off in the future.....

Ruger could have wowed me with the best AK 47 ever produced, but that title is owned by Valmet of Finland......

Like a bolt of lightning from a clear blue sky.....comes a voice with reasoning.............  +1


Like paying $2000 for a brand new bowl ............ while ice cream still costs to much to eat.

***edit***
that's why I don't have any other brand of AR now also.

Now as others have mentioned, since they already make a Mini-30, why not make one in .308....but the ammo thing still applies if the price is too high.
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: Overload on May 15, 2009, 08:47:54 PM
And this next comment touches Para too:
The AR market is extremely crowded right now. I do not see the rationale to get into this market with nothing more than a "me too" product.

The AR w/ piston market is small.  Other than cleanness, many piston ARs can have folding stocks, a HUGE advantage if you want a portable weapon.
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: ericire12 on May 15, 2009, 10:02:42 PM
But it comes with 3 mags.

Now it doesn't seem overpriced at all. ::)

Now thats funny right there!
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: seeker_two on May 15, 2009, 10:08:20 PM
Does this mean that Ruger is admitting that the Mini-14 wasn't such a great idea after all?....

I just hope this one shoots more accurately than the Mini......
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: fightingquaker13 on May 15, 2009, 10:12:54 PM
Now thats funny right there!
Screw the three mags, does it come with three cases of ammo, that might offset the price a bit. :P
FQ13 who really wishes they'd given me my AR mag compatible mini (again :P :P :P)
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: Dakotaranger on May 16, 2009, 12:28:37 AM
For 2 grand I'd rather have a Wilson, Nighthawk, or that Bushmaster ACR if that ever comes out.  My $800 DMPS is good enough for me.
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: Teresa Heilevang on May 16, 2009, 01:38:44 AM
I liked it.........
http://www.downrange.tv/blog/?p=174

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: fightingquaker13 on May 16, 2009, 01:46:18 AM
I liked it.........
http://www.downrange.tv/blog/?p=174

 ;D ;D

Okay, you've done your job. Now, would you rather see this, or a mini 14 with an AR mag? Just askin'. ;D
FQ13
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: Rob10ring on May 16, 2009, 02:06:23 AM
I wish for every manufacturer to make ARs. More AR's could eventually mean prices go down, mare competition means better AR's and if we put a few in everyone's homes, they'll be harder for the government to ever take. I hope Ruger puts out an SR556 tailored for hunting, similar to Remington's R15 and R25. That removes the arguments that these typs of guns aren't used for hunting.

Until a huge amount of attitudes change in CA, I won't be able to get the Ruger, but I'll keep taking anti's to the range. It's amazing how that's the easiest way to change their minds.
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: philw on May 16, 2009, 04:47:56 AM
I liked it.........
http://www.downrange.tv/blog/?p=174

 ;D ;D

Quote
Even though it was 109 degrees +50

good to see you getting out in the heat   ;D


so....   are you going to save a shot for me  if I ever get over to the USA  :P
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: Teresa Heilevang on May 16, 2009, 10:25:06 AM
You just get over here... My Whatever you want to shoot.. my family has it.
Although after looking at all of Benny's hundreds of pictures of his 'arsenal'..
Maybe you better stop by his house to shoot a few ..just in case..  ;D
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: Ping on May 16, 2009, 11:01:46 AM
For 2K, it had better come with a M-203 or shotgun underneath, lol.  ;D Just kidding. Like the gas piston idea. $2,000 I would spend for a 6.8 SPC or .308 AR for the zombies.
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: Hazcat on May 16, 2009, 11:31:07 AM
For 2K, it had better come with a M-203 or shotgun underneath, lol.  ;D Just kidding. Like the gas piston idea. $2,000 I would spend for a 6.8 SPC or .308 AR for the zombies.

Bushmaster 6.8, 16in barrel, A3 handle $980.00
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: fightingquaker13 on May 16, 2009, 11:41:18 AM
Bushmaster 6.8, 16in barrel, A3 handle $980.00
Does this include all 12boxes of 6.8 ammo available? It seems like a really nice round, but I sure wouldn't buy it unless I reloaded. As you have said many times Haz, let someone else do the beta testing (in this case to see if it becomes popular enough to be widely available).
FQ13
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: brosometal on May 16, 2009, 01:49:09 PM
I heard the wind blowing and the rain coming in sideways and now I know why.  On the surface the gun in question seems to be well suited for an upcoming contract battle with Colt.  There has been a bunch of howling about the $2k price tag.  Market forces will stabilize any perceived over-pricing.

As far as the extras, I have being scouring for parts for a stripped lower I'm putting together and there are none to be had.  I love Pmags and would like to expand my collection, there are few to be had. I would point most here back to the market forces along with the development of the piston system.  Wha La, you have your $2k price point.  Right now if I had the $2k and the availability this would be a no brainer, a one-stop-shop.  I would pay for the availability (damn those market forces again).

The only question I have is why no folding stock?  Less expensive to manufacture, but it does throw off the balance a bit.  And if you are going to spend the time to throw on the collapsible stock, partner up with Magpul and make it worth the while.

Just my $2k err $0.02 worth. (Now time for house work.  I shoulda spent more time writing for an excuse.)
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: ericire12 on May 16, 2009, 02:46:56 PM
Does this include all 12boxes of 6.8 ammo available? It seems like a really nice round, but I sure wouldn't buy it unless I reloaded. As you have said many times Haz, let someone else do the beta testing (in this case to see if it becomes popular enough to be widely available).
FQ13

6.8 is nearly identical in ballistic performance as the tried and true .243
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: bryand71 on May 16, 2009, 04:45:40 PM
I wish for every manufacturer to make ARs. More AR's could eventually mean prices go down, mare competition means better AR's and if we put a few in everyone's homes, they'll be harder for the government to ever take. I hope Ruger puts out an SR556 tailored for hunting, similar to Remington's R15 and R25. That removes the arguments that these typs of guns aren't used for hunting.

Until a huge amount of attitudes change in CA, I won't be able to get the Ruger, but I'll keep taking anti's to the range. It's amazing how that's the easiest way to change their minds.

Yeah, I bet the Swiss never thought the general population would be looking to take the rifles out of all the houses in that country either.


By MATTI HUUHTANEN, Associated Press Writer Matti Huuhtanen, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 18 mins ago

HELSINKI – Several European countries have restricted gun laws in the wake of school massacres, gang violence and other gun-related crimes:

_Finland announced plans Wednesday to impose stricter restrictions on firearms, including raising the minimum age for handgun ownership from 15 to 20. The proposal was prompted by two school massacres within a year in which lone gunmen opened fire on classmates and teachers.

_Germany, where a gunman killed at least 11 people Wednesday, raised the legal age for owning recreational firearms from 18 to 21 following a 2002 shooting in Erfurt that killed 16 people, including 12 teachers.

_Belgian lawmakers passed strict new gun control laws in 2006 in reaction to the racially motivated shooting deaths of a toddler and her black baby sitter in Antwerp.

_Swiss citizens are demanding a referendum aimed at confining army weapons to military compounds and banning private purchases of pump-action rifles and automatic weapons — following a spate of suicides and homicides.

_The Portuguese Parliament is currently discussing a government proposal to tighten gun laws, including denying bail to anyone suspected of a gun crime.

_Denmark's government said last week it will raise the penalty for illegal gun possession as part of a crackdown on gang violence that has killed three people and injured 25 in recent months.

_European Union lawmakers proposed tighter gun control across the bloc last year, including guidelines saying that only people over 18 not deemed a threat to public safety could buy and keep guns. EU members have until 2010 to adopt the measures.
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: RTFM on May 18, 2009, 06:48:28 AM
But it's a Ruger, so holding true to Bills philosophy it will only hold 10 rounds to keep us safe/
Rugers new tag line - Were unique - just like every one else. 


*yawn* still have not seen a Ruger (besides my 10-22) that I actually like......
And the 10-22 is more sentimental than anything else.
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: tombogan03884 on May 18, 2009, 10:48:19 AM
"_Swiss citizens are demanding a referendum aimed at confining army weapons to military compounds and banning private purchases of pump-action rifles and automatic weapons — following a spate of suicides and homicides."

Bryand71, I remember reading about this, Like here it is not a "majority", simply a few loudmouths who got the ear of the media.
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: ericire12 on May 18, 2009, 11:49:51 AM
But it's a Ruger, so holding true to Bills philosophy it will only hold 10 rounds to keep us safe/

He is probably spinning in his grave
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: Michael Bane on May 18, 2009, 12:54:42 PM
Guys...apples...oranges...rocks...strange comparisons abound!

First, Bill Ruger Sr. died in 2002. Bill Ruger Jr. retired from the company in 2006. The current management of the public company that is Ruger has nothing whatsoever to do with whatever the previous management of the company did. Unless you have an Ouija board or a private number for John Edwards, you cannot "send a message" to Bill Ruger Sr. And no apologies are necessary. It sort of reminds me of the time I was asked whether as a Southerner — Tennessee born and bred — I felt an "obligation" to apologize for slavery. My exact response was (eloquently), "Kiss my ass."

Lots of gun companies have done amazingly antigun things at various times, but that's usually cured with a management change.

A Mini with an AR mag? Where's the win for Ruger? They sell a lot of Minis as it is (all they can make as a matter of fact, and with 20 and 30 round magazines) and if they'd retooled it for an AR mag, I'd probably be reading, "You can put lipstick on a pig," etc.

The price? Baseline for gas-piston guns. How do I know? I walked the floor at the NRA Show, went to the booths of people who made gas-piston ARs, pointed at a gun and asked how much it cost. Can you build a cheaper gas-piston gun? Yes, and when you are finished you will have a cheap gas-piston gun and an account at Midway USA.

Is gas-piston the panacea it's presented to be? No, it's not. I like that they run cleaner and can be easily tuned to fire virtually any ammo, but I default to the comments of a Special Forces friend of mine who said (eloquently), "Dude, we know how to make M4s run just fine, and everybody I hit with mine fell down."

Does Ruger use parts from other manufacturers? Yes, and why exactly does that matter? Premium parts happen to be, duh, perceived as premium and people desire them on their guns...that is why Bill Wilson owns his own hunting preserve in Africa and I don't. As my friends at Stag Arms — who do indeed build more of their ARs than any other company in America — have discovered, the people who then buy the guns strip off the existing parts and replace them with the premium parts. One makes money by giving the buying public what they want.

Does the market perceive gas-piston guns as a desirable upgrade? Absolutely, unequivocally yes. The two key trends in black rifles right now is the move to gas-piston systems and calibers other than 5.56. How do I know this? I went to the heads of the black rifle companies over the weekend and asked them. ALL of them are sitting on major new product announcements, but they don't want to draw manufacturing capacity away from the backorders.

Ammo? See my recent posts on the Michael Bane Blog:

http://michaelbane.blogspot.com/2009/05/ammo.html
http://michaelbane.blogspot.com/2009/05/yawnill-be-sleeping-later.html

Also, this may come as a shock to those of you who believe Bill Ruger is actually controlling the entire firearms market from his grave, but not a single person I spoke to credited him as the malevolent presence behind the current ammunition shortage.

Why no folding stock? The Ruger has a standard spring and buffer tube...I took mine apart and looked.

Is the Para Tactical Target Rifle way cool? Yes, absolutely...Al Z-Man Zita is one of the neatest and smartest guys in the industry, and his patented non-piston revamped gas system is slick, debugged and allows a folding stock. It costs $2200, BTW.

Michael B





Title: Re: SR556
Post by: Hazcat on May 18, 2009, 01:37:20 PM
MB,

Just to be clear my "Ho Hum" had nothing to do with the make up of the gun or the price.  Just that it WAS an AR.  As I have stated before I just don't really care for them.  I wish Ruger would have come out with a pistol caliber carbine (like the old Deer Slayer but better mag capacity) or some nice , reasonably priced lever guns.  Yeah, I realize it was a market driven decision as should be, but I can wish. ;D
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: shooter32 on May 18, 2009, 01:39:30 PM
MB,

Just to be clear my "Ho Hum" had nothing to do with the make up of the gun or the price.  Just that it WAS an AR.  As I have stated before I just don't really care for them.  I wish Ruger would have come out with a pistol caliber carbine (like the old Deer Slayer but better mag capacity) or some nice , reasonably priced lever guns.


+100
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: tombogan03884 on May 18, 2009, 01:51:47 PM
Yes MB, In line with what Haz said, no slam at Ruger beyond  "another platform redefined" should have read " Proven bandwagon jumped upon".
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: Michael Bane on May 18, 2009, 02:22:20 PM
No dis' intended to you guys at all!

HO-HUM is cool, because you're the consumers. You would not believe the number of Bill Ruger this and Bill Ruger that crap I've gotten in the last four days...I'm at a loss to understand why he is such an obsession with some people. I'd much rather dis' H-K, who only grudgingly agree to sell guns to civilians when they really really need the money.

I could be 'way wrong, but I don't believe you'll be seeing a reasonably priced pistol caliber lever gun from a major unless cowboy action shooting goes through a renaissance. Mossberg introduced their 464 30-30 for five bills MSRP after Winchester went down, and the sales were ho-hum, which didn't exactly send the arms designers to the drawing boards to create more. There's also the humongous pool of used lever guns dating back to forever...used Winchester '94s in zillions of calibers are now available all over the place at some pretty cheap prices (once again). Clunkier than the '92s or the Marlins, but I've shot a LOT of .44 Magnum through many of them, including one I bought for $100, over the years.

There are also the various flavors of Brazilian and Italian replica '92s and '73s...some of which are just superb heirloom quality...I was looking at the Legacy Sports International new line of Pumas, now made in Italy by Chiappa, at the Show, and they were really beautiful...they don't have .44 Mags in the country yet, but I have an advance order on one to replace my stainless Legacy Puma .44 from Brazil that I use to shoot Wild Bunch matches. Not that there's anything wrong with the Brazilian guns, but the Italians truly understand aesthetics!

Plus there's the Marlins...if you shop around there are some outstanding buys in NIB and used pistol caliber lever Marlins, and for all intents and purposes the damn things are indestructible. I did a quickie search just now and found a NIB Marlin 1894 Cowboy in .44 Mag on GunsAmerica.com for $545...that's the same gun that I keep in my bedroom, although I have to admit that a 45/70 version might be in my future, in case of dinosaurs...

So my apologies...youse guys ain't channeling Bill...

Michael B
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: Timothy on May 18, 2009, 02:44:16 PM
So Michael, do you find the folks running Sturm Ruger to be beancounters selling a widgit or are they still gun guys?  After all, they have been publically traded for the last forty years!

Regardless of who is yanking the strings in design, they are still a firearms manufacturer...yes? (rhetorical)...
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: tommy tornado on May 18, 2009, 03:58:48 PM
I would imagine that you could get this Ruger SR556 for less than MSRP.  Last week I ordered one of the .44 special blackhawks for $500 as instead of the $575 or whatever the MSRP is currently.
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: fightingquaker13 on May 18, 2009, 04:43:56 PM
Guys...apples...oranges...rocks...strange comparisons abound!

A Mini with an AR mag? Where's the win for Ruger? They sell a lot of Minis as it is (all they can make as a matter of fact, and with 20 and 30 round magazines) and if they'd retooled it for an AR mag, I'd probably be reading, "You can put lipstick on a pig," etc.

Michael B


Michael. I agree with most of your post. I have drunk more Ruger Kool-aid than Glock, and if I were to close my eyes and reach for a gun, odds say I'd grab a Ruger. As far  as the guys who dis Bill over the AWB, they can kiss my ass. Yes, it was annoying, but compared to what he did FOR the shooting community over his life, it doesn't signify in the long haul. However on the mini question, putting it out with the AR compatability would do two things. First it would make a lot of folks, like me, more likely to buy one, rather than pay an extra 20%-30% for an AR, if what you're looking for is SD. Two, it would help them get military and LEO (particularly foreign LEO) contracts. That said, the AR sounds like a good gun. If you were to say, RAFFLE ONE, I wouldn't say no to an entry. ;D But market wise, I'm not sure how much room there is for anther high end .556 AR.
FQ13
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: Rob10ring on May 18, 2009, 05:44:12 PM
MB,

Just to be clear my "Ho Hum" had nothing to do with the make up of the gun or the price.  Just that it WAS an AR.  As I have stated before I just don't really care for them.  I wish Ruger would have come out with a pistol caliber carbine (like the old Deer Slayer but better mag capacity) or some nice , reasonably priced lever guns.  Yeah, I realize it was a market driven decision as should be, but I can wish. ;D
Ruger made a couple of lever guns and no one wanted them.
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: ericire12 on May 18, 2009, 05:46:34 PM
Here is the AmmoLand  article:

http://www.ammoland.com/2009/05/18/ruger-ar-sr-556-autoloading-rifle/
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: fullautovalmet76 on May 18, 2009, 06:44:16 PM
Here is the AmmoLand  article:

http://www.ammoland.com/2009/05/18/ruger-ar-sr-556-autoloading-rifle/

Eric,
This "article" reads alot like a press release.....But thanks for sending me to another site I can try to buy ammo though!  ;D
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: Pathfinder on May 18, 2009, 07:10:04 PM
MB, thanks. Nicely put, and especially in this day and age it is refreshing (although in your case expected) to see honesty and forthrightness in your responses.

I never knew Bill R. (junior or senior) although I have heard after the fact about his involvement with BJ klintoon. No biggie, and I never thought to channel Sr.

I waited for a management change in S&W before I would even think of buying one. I do have a 10/22, and got the LCP too - that was innovative in that it sparked the .380 craze.

So thanks for the forum and being around even though you have got to be running on pure adrenaline at this moment.
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: m25operator on May 18, 2009, 08:30:55 PM
Wow :o you guys are really tearing this one up, it seems from reading the 11 pages of posts, the 1st thing is the price point, and I will agree, I think they would have been better served to have not brought it out with the cool features, I have and use Troy stuff and it is top drawer, a more standard, removable front handguard, and sight base may have helped, but the adjustable gas system may not have allowed for it.

 I felt it, handled it and looked at it, an it does feel like a premium AR, full length top rail, flip up sights, of course rails all the way around. Truth, the trigger pull is standard 10+ lb single stage, at the price point, a 2 stage match trigger would have been better, maybe 50 bucks added to the retail price, but that is not they did. I won't buy one at MSRP, but then again, I build my own, with the goodies I want. I think the upper for sale separately would be a good thing to do for them. I too am sorry they did not go with the recoil spring in the front end like the para Digs, The features that do go well with me are the  adjustable gas system, I do like the rail system and their choice of sights, and this pretty well removes Ruger from the anti black rifle, standard capacity mag field.

Mini's that take AR mags, + 100.

Ruger made AK that takes standard AK mags, probably + 200. milled with the Ruger ring notches + 250.
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: jframesmith on May 18, 2009, 09:07:19 PM
Nice idea but I think that they would want to offer a 20" barrel version in .204 Ruger.
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: philw on May 18, 2009, 09:26:23 PM
ahhh cool  m25operator  and MB  so it dose sound like the Apple of the AR15 world

I like the sound of that  :)

Title: Re: SR556
Post by: twyacht on May 18, 2009, 09:32:41 PM
Thanks m25, it is always good to hear from a professional "fondler".

A two stage trigger would make a difference. My Sig 556, with 2 stage trigger,  has take up to the point of fire, but it breaks down to 2 modes; precision shots, or "let it rip".  I can feel it... and I like it. Like previous posts, I paid around $1200.00 for it, seems that number is a good ballpark for an AR type rifle.

I can't see (unless some political influence changes the playing field), charging too much more for a 5.56.  I know this one will be more than that one, up to a point....stock rifles not custom builds..

After that, for now, the market has plenty of other options to buy. I'm sure the "market" will adjust price, and I look forward to a range report.

MB? It was your review that led me to the Sig556 last year. Looking forward to upcoming reports.
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: RTFM on May 19, 2009, 07:25:16 AM
I'm not going to heaven for this - but I just had to.


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Title: Re: SR556
Post by: tombirdman on March 22, 2010, 01:50:37 PM
Yes MB, In line with what Haz said, no slam at Ruger beyond  "another platform redefined" should have read " Proven bandwagon jumped upon".

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Double click the pictures to open up and go to my other pictures.

I have the SR556 and, as far as I am concerned, it is the cream of the crop in AR piston guns.  It is the best, totaly redesigned AR platform, flaws removed, positives accentuated, negatives removed and then the best afteremarket products added.  Why nock the fact that they inhance their product with the best of other companies products..  They have been making parts for AR15 for other companies for years.  They just didn't advertise the fact that they were casting and manufacturing AR parts for other standard AR companies.

They were there from the begining making parts - major parts for the AR platform.  It should, therefore, be no surprise that they made their own improved version - improved gas piston and all.  This is a diamond compared to most piston driven ARs.  Open your eyes !  Look at the improvements and believe them!  They are no brag but real fact !

If you shop you can now get one for $1,400.00 to $1,475!  For that price you just can't come close to getting a better buy for a top notch AR !!!

There is nothing equiped like this available for this price

The quality of engineering and the overall end product is near perfect.  The trigger pull is not perfect but is learnable and really not that bad for a military trigger.  Yes I have sniper rifles, supermatches and etc that are better but it is pretty good as is.

Tom

 ;D
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: JC5123 on March 22, 2010, 02:17:13 PM
VERY nice SCAR!  You have now been officially put onto the same list as BillT, and Kilo.    ;D ;D ;D

BTW, How do you like it. I have been drooling for months, but just haven't been able to part with that much cash.
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: tombirdman on March 22, 2010, 03:23:31 PM
VERY nice SCAR!  You have now been officially put onto the same list as BillT, and Kilo.    ;D ;D ;D

BTW, How do you like it. I have been drooling for months, but just haven't been able to part with that much cash.

 :D



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I, pretty well lve my SCAR !
Light, well built, super accurate, wonderful design!

The proof is in the pudding !  I like th fact that the bolt carrier and the gas rod are all one peice..  The design is perfection and is definitelyh a move upward.  Whether it's worth the price, I don't know ?  The guy that's buying it has to decide that.  The prices have, really, been comming down rapidly.  The black SCARS are soon going to outnumber the other so a guy can choose the color he wants  The prices are now down to $$2,400.00 to $2,500.00 for either color on the auction boards.

By the way, double click on my pictures to open them up and, if you want, look at some of my other picture posts

Tom

 ::)

Title: Re: SR556
Post by: twyacht on March 22, 2010, 04:44:14 PM
Great!!!! Another "Tom" with Lots-O-Guns... ;D

Nice pics Tom.

Tom W.
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: Solus on March 22, 2010, 04:54:41 PM
Looked at your wall(s) Tom.

Don't know what to say...WOW is all that comes to mind
Title: Re: SR556
Post by: tombirdman on March 22, 2010, 07:15:28 PM
Great!!!! Another "Tom" with Lots-O-Guns... ;D

Nice pics Tom.

Tom W.

Thank You

Tom