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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: PegLeg45 on April 20, 2020, 12:32:21 PM
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I bought my wife her first pistol back in late February. Our son bought one for his wife and my wife saw it and handled it (and liked the COLOR, go figure, because it matched her bicycle and several other things she has ::) ) ...... Hey, in the end as long as it creates interest in and helps the decision to BUY A GUN, I'm game.
Anyway, she got the Ruger EC9s which is the compact 9mm which is just slightly larger than the LCP.
We got it at a local area shop in the city where my above-mentioned son works as a firefighter. The owner cuts him and the FD guys good deals and let us have the Ruger for $250.... (I also grabbed myself a PSA stripped lower and got out the door for $300 total after sales taxes for both).
https://ruger.com/products/ec9s/specSheets/13200.html
(https://ruger.com/productImages/13200/detail/1.jpg)
Now we just need some extended range time.
Due to circumstances, weather, bad timing by family illness among other things, we haven't had time to do any shooting.
The very week before all the Covid foolishness and the ammo run I did manage to get 500 rounds of Federal 115gr FMJ for practice when we get to it. SD rounds are harder to find, but availability is picking up. There is a shop about 50 miles away that is getting lots of ammo in every week and is sticking to normal prices and not gouging, but I haven't had time to get over that way.
Somewhere down the line a range report will show up.
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How does the LC9 handle? The LCP is a handful, because of the size. Wondering about the 9.
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How does the LC9 handle? The LCP is a handful, because of the size. Wondering about the 9.
Brainfart Alert: I put LC9s in the OP when in actuality it is the EC9s. I have corrected the issue. The only real difference is the sights.
It's comfortable in my hand and she likes the grip. I should've bought myself one for pocket carry in 'certain areas' in place of my .38spl snub.
Neither of us have shot it yet, so we'll see about recoil.
If for some reason the recoil is too much, I'll look into a LCP or LCR and keep the EC9. I routinely shoot a G27 with +P ammo with no issue, so this in a standard 9mm shouldn't be difficult.
The same d-i-l mentioned in the OP also has an SR9 and I really like the feel of it, but it is too big for my wife's small hands....hence the EC9s.
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Off topic...but,
I'm ten years into my LCR in .38 +p and it's great...never leave home without it!
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Off topic...but,
I'm ten years into my LCR in .38 +p and it's great...never leave home without it!
My J-Frame in .38 +p is easy to shoot, and even with more power, it is less felt recoil than the .380 in the LCP.
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With my color-blindness that looks like mint green, not turquoise. If it actually looked like turquoise I wouldn't mind having it, but that one just makes me think of mint ice cream. At least it's not pink. If you ended up keeping a pink pistol for yourself, the other guys at the range might laugh at you with your girly gun. Keep us posted.
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Maybe it's aqua, but you're right, probably mint green would've been a more accurate description....but turquoise is what Ruger calls it on the description page so that's what I put. ;D 8)
I wouldn't have an issue carrying it. It'll shoot as good as a black one, I expect. Nobody gonna give me grief at the range since I own the range. 8)
It'd stay concealed until needed anyway (thinking along the lines of that line by English Bob in Unforgiven, "If you don't see it.....or, more particularly if you don't hear it.")
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I imagine they all shoot the same regardless of color, but would prefer a more "tactical" color over whatever it is. Maybe Cerakote in Matte Brown, Highland Green, Sniper Grey, or something like that. Or better yet a two-tone. Some of the two-tone pistols look so good that when it wasn't in the holster you'd have it in your hand looking at it. ;) I'll be looking forward to a range report if TEOTWAWKI doesn't happen.
So far I'm still not carrying concealed, at least not far from my porch. Michigan is the 4th most expensive state to get and maintain a carry permit in, and I don't feel like paying for any more classes or permits. Carrying without a permit is a 3-year felony, so I don't want to do that either. 3 years in prison and a felony record for life just for exercising one of your rights is bullshit. Some murderers only serve 2 years but they want to throw good citizens in prison for 3 years if they have a pistol on them but no permit. If we ever get constitutional carry passed, or at least lower costs for concealed pistol licenses I'll get one. And I think I'll need to buy a 9mm. My .45s are too big and heavy, and although a .380 is better than no gun at all I wouldn't want it to be my primary.
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Mint Green, Aqua, Highland Green, Gray, Black ...
Damn! We're starting to sound like a fashion guru discussing accessory colors to go with your new pumps :'(
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Mint Green, Aqua, Highland Green, Gray, Black ...
Damn! We're starting to sound like a fashion guru discussing accessory colors to go with your new pumps :'(
Agreed.....but if it gets more folks to buy guns it's good for business. Female gun buyers is one of the fastest growing markets so I get the business decision. I remember MB showing a SCCY 9mm in an episode of SG that was the same color.
I just shook my head when my d-i-l law first showed us the one she got. I knew some makers were doing colors other than standard black, but didn't know Ruger was doing it. My wife had been wanting to acquire her "own" gun for a while but hadn't settled on one yet. When she held the EC9 she said it felt good in her hands and the color was "more appealing" than plain old black.
So, here we are.
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Mint Green, Aqua, Highland Green, Gray, Black ...
Damn! We're starting to sound like a fashion guru discussing accessory colors to go with your new pumps :'(
Not sure why you object to getting fancy accessories for your new shotguns??? :) :) :)
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Not sure why you object to getting fancy accessories for your new shotguns??? :) :) :)
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I've noticed an increase in less traditional color pistols like Muddy Girl Camo, purple, pink and turquoise the last few years, and some ARs too. If it means more new gun owners I'm all for it, and women gun owners have been on the rise for several years. The manufacturers are giving them something pretty since that seems so important.
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My second granddaughter just bought one at the local farm store. $285.00 out the door with a box of fmj ammo. Took her down to the range and had her run 50 rounds thru it, cleaned up and sent her home with self defense ammo.
Told her to get 150-200 rounds and come back with husband for a more in depth class.
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Mint Green, Aqua, Highland Green, Gray, Black ...
Damn! We're starting to sound like a fashion guru discussing accessory colors to go with your new pumps :'(
Well, now he needs to find a holster to match that darned pastel :(
This is a very important consideration.
The Gun mags tell me so ;D
And Biden told me that ain't black. ;D
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I have the LC9 and I'm wondering if I have the differences right.
The LC9 has adjustable sights whereas the EC9 does not. That isn't going to really matter for the purpose of the gun other than to give someone with OCD a warm and fuzzy feeling to move the sight over "a half inch at 3'" big deal.
Next I see that the LC9 has a nickel finished slide and the EC9 does not. The nickel is nice unless it begins to flake off...I doubt that is going to be a problem for the most part but it would be a significant issue on reliability if there was a failure with the nickel.
So other than color...what's the difference besides what I mentioned above?
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The book that came in the EC9s box is for both pistols....says so right on the front. ;D
The wife's looks like satin nickel, but is listed as Aluminum Cerakiote. I'm kinda glad of that. I can handle a Cerakote finish wearing off because I don't think it would have the issues that a nickel finish would it it flaked....but I don't know....I've never had a Cerakoted pistol.
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You'd sh!t if you knew the tolerances on most guns ::)
Remember, John Browning didn't use micrometers and .000.
He worked in fractions. ;D
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You'd sh!t if you knew the tolerances on most guns ::)
Remember, John Browning didn't use micrometers and .000.
He worked in fractions. ;D
On another forum I referred to is as SLOP and several readers went postal. Nothing is built perfect (not even Glock). Some people have trouble believing that tight tolerances can be the opposite of reliability.
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;D ROFL ;D
The AR has tightER tolerances than an AK but needs dust cover and sealing to be reliable.
The AK on the other hand goes with "Good enough" tolerances with that big gap for the charging handle, (That some think a great addition to AR's ) and let the crap and crud just fall through the gaps.
Reminds me of 2 other things ;D
1 - WW II arms workmanship, England and Germany both, produced fine quality guns until they were under pressure when they turned out crap like Sten's, and "VolksGewher". Now look at the Russo/ Soviet Arms. They were not that skilled to begin with, but their quality never got any worse even when the front line was the other end of the building. If anything, it improved, which I find totally hilarious.
2 I forgot what I was originally going to type .
Good opportunity to point out that INTENTION is an important part of gun design.
The best example I can think of is the M-14/M1A.
You all think it's a wonderful semi Auto rifle for target shooting.
But to the guy's who designed it it's an abject failure.
It sucked so bad it is 1 of the 2 shortest serving Army rifles ( Keep those damned Lee's out of it ;D )
So what's the difference ?
The M - 14 was intended to be the US equivalent of the German STG and Soviet AK designs, but the M 14 is uncontrollable in full auto, all 7.62 have the same problem 7.62 NATO is to much cartridge for a practical size individual weapon.
There was a REASON the BAR weighed up to 24 Lbs, depending on model.
But you don't have full auto, You don't give a hoot about burst control, and mostly you're just carrying it from the car to the shooting bench, so you don't even consider those aspects .
And it IS a pisser of a target rifle ;D
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- WW II arms workmanship, England and Germany both, produced fine quality guns until they were under pressure
I'm given to believe that when the reason Singer only built 500 1911s was the War Dept realized Singer was doing too good a job. This was expensive and a waste of resources. I believe after that they gave Singer contracts for airborne navigation and bombing systems where tighter tolerances were the order of the day. This eventually led to Singer spinoffs of Friden calculator, General Precision Equipment Corporation, Librascope, The Kearfott Company, Inc, and Link Flight Simulation. I worked on Singer Autopilot components in the 60s and 70s.
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Alf... I heard a slightly different version... that the War Department wanted to see if a small, non armament oriented company, could produce firearms for the war effort... the contract was for 500, and IIRC all went to the USAAF in the Pacific Theater
I had an opportunity to shoot a "S. Mfg, Co." 1911 very early on in my shooting career... a range officer that had been a pattern maker at Singer had an X serialized 1911... sometime during the 1950s his wife had it BUMPER CHROMED for his birthday ;D
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If they can document that, like if they still have the plating receipt that makes it a 1 of a kind , making it the most collectible of the Singer 1911's.
Found these
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a23340620/singer-sewing-machine-company-45-pistol-gun/
This from Wiki
During World War II, the company suspended sewing machine production to take on government contracts for weapons manufacturing. Factories in the United States supplied the American forces with Norden bomb sights and M1 Carbine rifle receivers, while factories in Germany provided their armed forces with weapons.[15]
In 1939, the company was given a production study by the government to draw plans and develop standard raw material sizes for building M1911A1 pistols. The following April 17, Singer was given an educational order of 500 units with serial numbers S800001 – S800500. The educational order was a program set up by the Ordnance Board in the U.S. to teach companies without gun-making experience to manufacture weapons.
After the 500 units were delivered to the U.S. government, the management decided to produce artillery and bomb sights. The pistol tooling and manufacturing machines were transferred to Remington Rand whilst some went to the Ithaca Gun Company. Approximately 1.75 million 1911A1 pistols were produced during World War II, making original Singer pistols relatively rare and collectable. [16]
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;D ROFL ;D
The AR has tightER tolerances than an AK but needs dust cover and sealing to be reliable.
The AK on the other hand goes with "Good enough" tolerances with that big gap for the charging handle, (That some think a great addition to AR's ) and let the crap and crud just fall through the gaps.
Reminds me of 2 other things ;D
1 - WW II arms workmanship, England and Germany both, produced fine quality guns until they were under pressure when they turned out crap like Sten's, and "VolksGewher". Now look at the Russo/ Soviet Arms. They were not that skilled to begin with, but their quality never got any worse even when the front line was the other end of the building. If anything, it improved, which I find totally hilarious.
2 I forgot what I was originally going to type .
Good opportunity to point out that INTENTION is an important part of gun design.
The best example I can think of is the M-14/M1A.
You all think it's a wonderful semi Auto rifle for target shooting.
But to the guy's who designed it it's an abject failure.
It sucked so bad it is 1 of the 2 shortest serving Army rifles ( Keep those damned Lee's out of it ;D )
So what's the difference ?
The M - 14 was intended to be the US equivalent of the German STG and Soviet AK designs, but the M 14 is uncontrollable in full auto, all 7.62 have the same problem 7.62 NATO is to much cartridge for a practical size individual weapon.
There was a REASON the BAR weighed up to 24 Lbs, depending on model.
But you don't have full auto, You don't give a hoot about burst control, and mostly you're just carrying it from the car to the shooting bench, so you don't even consider those aspects .
And it IS a pisser of a target rifle ;D
I heard the M14 was obsolete before it was even adopted. It may have been one of my instructors in Small Arms Repair school that said that. And I know of one 7.62 NATO rifle that was controllable in full auto but not adopted by the U.S. military. Or by anyone as it was then. During testing of one of the AR-10 prototypes with its oversize compensator the shooter was able to put all 20 rounds into a bushel basket or a target the size of one at 100 yards. It's been decades since I read about that and I can't remember if it was Stoner himself who was doing the shooting or someone else. And I read or heard somewhere that muzzle climb on the M14 is so bad that everything after the second or third shot is more or less anti-aircraft fire. Here's one of the old AR-10s in the National Firearms Museum.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJcuBB24yoE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FXt5md6jPk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuEKwdwoqBA
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Wow. That's about 55 minutes of videos. You've been posting some really good ones Tom, but even I don't have that kind of time. I'm still trying to catch up on the forum from last spring/summer.