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Member Section => Tactical Rifle & Carbine => Topic started by: twyacht on January 07, 2012, 07:53:20 PM
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Because as Americans, we distinguish ourselves as a free people, and the ability to own firearms, by rights endowed by our creator, in homes across this country, Molon Labe...."Come And Take Them"....
Are we not the militia?
"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms."
(Tench Coxe in ‘Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution' under the Pseudonym ‘A Pennsylvanian' in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789 at 2 col. 1)
Amen.
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Almost brings a tear to your eye doesn't it?
I think I'm going to get an AR soon, like sooner than my wife would like but not soon enough for me ;D
Maybe just a basic rifle for now, future truck gun if you will. In the future I'll build one my way ;D
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Almost brings a tear to your eye doesn't it?
I think I'm going to get an AR soon, like sooner than my wife would like but not soon enough for me ;D
Maybe just a basic rifle for now, future truck gun if you will. In the future I'll build one my way ;D
Weigh your options carefully since there are so many of them.
My personal preference would be fully flat top with a red dot and folding BUIS.
In either 7.62X39 ( I have heard of feed problems ) or one of the short 30's like .300BLK.
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Weigh your options carefully since there are so many of them.
My personal preference would be fully flat top with a red dot and folding BUIS.
In either 7.62X39 ( I have heard of feed problems ) or one of the short 30's like .300BLK.
Ignore him ;D. Buy a standard AR with a removable carry handle and a top rail. That way you can shoot it with irons or put an optic on it. My "El Cheapo" Sportical flat top has turned into a hopeless money pit trying to get irons, an optic and a sling mount. Buy it once and buy it right. I'd look at DPMS, they are the Chevy of ARs and priced accordingly. Get a standard A4 (rifle or carbine) and add a flip up rear BUIS. You'll be happier and save money in the long run. As far as caliber, look at nothing but 5.56. Its standard, its cheap, and its available at Wally World. And, to be un-PC, its a battlefield pick-up. If you want 7.62x39 buy an AK. Head to head its probably a better rifle than an M-forgery. :-\ The .300BLK is a nice round, but good luck finding ammo if things go south, and that's what you're buying the rifle for in the first place. Just my .02.
FQ13
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Ignore him. Buy a standard AR with a removable carry handle and a top rail. That way you can shoot it with irons or put an optic on it. My "El Cheapo" Sportical flat top has turned into a hopeless money pit trying to get irons, an optic and a sling mount. Buy it once and buy it right. I'd look at DPMS, they are the Chevy of ARs and priced accordingly. Get a standard A4 (rifle or carbine) and add a flip up rear BUIS. You'll be happier and save money in the long run. As far as caliber, look at nothing but 5.56. Its standard, its cheap, and its available at Wally World. And, to be un-PC, its a battlefield pick-up. If you want 7.62x39 buy an AK. Head to head its probably a better rifle than an M-forgery. :-\ The .300BLK is a nice round, but good luck finding ammo if things go south, and that's what you're buying the rifle for in the first place. Just my .02.
FQ13
I BUILT mine with a regular front sight and had problems getting the red dot to co witness.
So I was forced to buy a carry handle with sights that are only really good in decent daylight.
How many have you built FQ.
Oh, I forgot, you're still not decided on the AR or AK even though you spent your money a year ago. ::)
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I BUILT mine with a regular front sight and had problems getting the red dot to co witness.
So I was forced to buy a carry handle with sights that are only really good in decent daylight.
How many have you built FQ.
Oh, I forgot, you're still not decided on the AR or AK even though you spent your money a year ago. ::)
I'm just telling tales on myself and giving hard earned advice. It boils down to this. For a first gun, buy something that's good to go out of the box and then improve on it. Make sure it has a bit of room to grow. But don't start out with a fixer upper, that was my error. For a second gun, I might follow in your footsteps Tom, and order parts and build what I want. But that ain't the way to go for someone who doesn't have your experience in building guns. I mean you did it for a living for how many years? As for the boutique rounds? Yeah they're great, but how are you going to reload on day seven of a STF situation?
FQ13
PS I meant to put a smiley on that post and forgot to. It wasn't meant to be a personal slam. My bad.
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OK, I get you now FQ.
But lordy, you can pick pretty much any option nearly off the shelf and the only thing I'm saying is avoid the standard sight post, you can order the gun that way no hassle and if you decide you want other things it's a PITA while the flip up sites function the same, are idiot proof to install and leave room for other optics.
Unless you reload it might be better for the first one to stick with 5.56 because of availability, but it's still just a hot .22 to my thinking.
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Weigh your options carefully since there are so many of them.
My personal preference would be fully flat top with a red dot and folding BUIS.
In either 7.62X39 ( I have heard of feed problems ) or one of the short 30's like .300BLK.
I have been leaning toward doing exactly this, especially with the 300BLK. But for the first one I think I'll stick with 5.56 just for ammo. I had been thinking around $1400 for the rifle and BUIS so I can get something good but I don't want to buy just the name.
Once I start reloading (my dad will be down here the end of next month and we'll talk about a Dillion 650 for 45, 9, 5.56 and .308 ;D) its a simple barrel swap to go from 5.56 to 300BLK.
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With so many AR's variations around, $1400 will get you a darn nice one. S&W M&P 15T's are +/- $900 for the standard. with or without carry handle, with our without standard front sight. They are basically a STAG. Rock River, Armalite's Bushmasters, DPMS, etc,....
all will work, and work well.
Keep it simple, knowing you can always add this here, tweak this there, swap a stock part for another more suited to your application.
Find a friend with an AR, and split 1000rd deals on the web. 500rds, for approx. $150 bucks and a six/twelve-pack of good mags, and your in good shape.
The video is more of a shopping options list, of all the different "stuff" you do with an AR, and the song is very good. 8)
Start sucking up the wife now.. ;D
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Start sucking up the wife now.. ;D
Who told you? ;D
That is going to be the hardest part of all of this. Three teenage daughters that go through money faster than I could if I tried and a wife with MS that can't work puts all the burden on me (which is why I went back to school when I did and for what I did).
Between the AR, NFA items, reloading, competition guns, associated gear and ammo I need a second job that pays more than the first ;D
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I never had built an AR, and they have start to finish how to's on you tube, brownell's, and an option is buy a lower, stripped or complete, and save for and upper, stripped or complete, than save for a stock.
A good stripped lower can be found well under $100, with a DPMS/Bushmaster complete lower parts kits, for +/- $50-60.
Presto,...complete lower, $150...
Than complete uppers, standard carbine complete uppers around $300-400. Rock River website has great ones.
Than a stock, standard 6 pos. with tube, buffer and spring, $100 approx, depending on brand....
A bare bones functioning, reliable AR, that can always be "tweaked" down the road. Just a thought....for approx. $500-600...it certainly can be done.
3 daughters, and a wife? Well,...start with a lower.... ::)
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A flat top DPMS goes for $500 around here twyacht! A Stag with optics can be had for not much more. I'm in trouble because I can't see fixed sights, have to go w/optics all the way. Might just as well shoot sighting down the flattop. Oh, I forgot...don't have a place close and cheap to sight in let alone shoot so I'm stuck! Pay for a place to shoot or buy something to look at and use as a club.
Richard
PS: Can't afford to do either...had to buy a new washer today!
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Anyone have any insight (real insight) to what the better barrel twist is, 1:9 or 1:8? The "experts" at the gun shops don't seem to know any more than us. I'm looking for a dedicated predator rifle. Stag, DPMS, Bushy and Remington. The Remington is the 1:9. Some say that 1:8 is the better all around and is the rate on the new Stag 3G - 3 gun rifle. My biggest problem with that rifle is that the barrel is shiny stainless, waiting to tip off the coyotes. The Remington is balanced really well, but I don't want to have to match camo patterns, if I ever want pop a second upper on it.
My old Colt is a 1:7 carry handle that has never had a single malfunction. It's a great home gun, but night may require some not too fancy fiber-optic sight. I like the defense gun to be simple and batteryfree.
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PS: Can't afford to do either...had to buy a new washer today!
You too? Must be going around, I had to run down Friday after work and buy a new one. Just $655, 6 months same as cash at Sears ::)
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Anyone have any insight (real insight) to what the better barrel twist is, 1:9 or 1:8? The "experts" at the gun shops don't seem to know any more than us. I'm looking for a dedicated predator rifle. Stag, DPMS, Bushy and Remington. The Remington is the 1:9. Some say that 1:8 is the better all around and is the rate on the new Stag 3G - 3 gun rifle. My biggest problem with that rifle is that the barrel is shiny stainless, waiting to tip off the coyotes. The Remington is balanced really well, but I don't want to have to match camo patterns, if I ever want pop a second upper on it.
My old Colt is a 1:7 carry handle that has never had a single malfunction. It's a great home gun, but night may require some not too fancy fiber-optic sight. I like the defense gun to be simple and batteryfree.
I depends on what the weight of the bullet you intend on shooting. Lighter bullets can't spin that fast without blowing apart, velocity spins the bullet, so the slow 1:9 (or even slower for the really light stuff-35 or 40 grain) would be ideal. If you are going to use heavier bullets, ie 77 or 80 grains, the 1:7. The 1:8 is a compromise, maybe even kind of a gimmick? 1:9 is the suggested general purpose since it can stabilize the lighter stuff and spins the heavier/longer stuff just enough.
Check out the Ammo Oracle at AR15.com that's where I did my research ;)
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Thanks Magoo! General purpose and versatility are what I'm kind of going for.
I depends on what the weight of the bullet you intend on shooting. Lighter bullets can't spin that fast without blowing apart, velocity spins the bullet, so the slow 1:9 (or even slower for the really light stuff-35 or 40 grain) would be ideal. If you are going to use heavier bullets, ie 77 or 80 grains, the 1:7. The 1:8 is a compromise, maybe even kind of a gimmick? 1:9 is the suggested general purpose since it can stabilize the lighter stuff and spins the heavier/longer stuff just enough.
Check out the Ammo Oracle at AR15.com that's where I did my research ;)
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Thanks Magoo! General purpose and versatility are what I'm kind of going for.
Just remeber you get what you pay for ;D
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Just remeber you get what you pay for ;D
That's what she said.
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That's what she said.
In that case I owe my divorce attourney a lot more cash!
But seriously, I talked to one of my shooting buddies today about building an AR, turns out he has most of the AR specific tools (I just have a lot of tools). Looks like I am going to build one my way ;)
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Are any of the brands better than the others? Especially those that I listed(Stag, DPMS, Bushy and Remington, etc.)? They all seem to be priced similarly.
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Are any of the brands better than the others? Especially those that I listed(Stag, DPMS, Bushy and Remington, etc.)? They all seem to be priced similarly.
I don't think you'll go too far wrong with any of the usual suspects. I guess my advice would be to do the research that will let you tell the difference between getting mall ninja'd into buying more than you need, while avoiding the false economy of buying less. That sounds like BS advice, but its not. I went cheap and will pay more to fix it than I saved. But it could easily have gone the other way. I'd say shoot a few, do some research and figure out what configuration you actually want and go from there. You're buying a 300 yard rifle. How do you want to set it up? Let that be your guide. Just my .02.
FQ13
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Are any of the brands better than the others? Especially those that I listed(Stag, DPMS, Bushy and Remington, etc.)? They all seem to be priced similarly.
The only one I have heard bad comments about is Olympic, but based on personal experience they are no worse or better than any other "name" brand.
I would avoid Armalite because so many of their parts are proprietary, not because of quality issues.
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Fuzzdaddy,
Remington does not make their own. Theirs are DPMS and Bushmaster. I can't remember which is the 10 and which is the 15, but if you go to a store that carries all three you will pick it out right away. If you are looking at the Remington you can save a few dollars by going with the manufacturer. By the way, they are all three owned by the same investment company ... Oh shock ;)