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Member Section => Defense and Tactics => Topic started by: Rob Pincus on May 18, 2010, 09:32:29 AM
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We've been wanting something like this for a long time and finally got a version that I think works really well.
The new app was just released at iTunes... it allows you to customize several settings so that you are given randomized commands to engage the exact targets that you have set up on your range.
Those of you familiar with the concepts know that I stress the tying of some information processing to the execution of the complex motor skill in regard to defensive shooting training. With this app, instead of just shooting on a buzzer (a basketball "free throw", if you will), you will get a command that could direct you to shoot one of several targets in whatever way you wish (single shots, multiple shots, one handed, etc). Because you can set up targets of different sizes or at different distances, you don't get the "free throw" that you can anticipate, you have to adjust your deviation control appropriately for the exact target conditions indicated by the command.
Check it out:
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/combat-focus-shooting-balance/id371923885?mt=8
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Cool. Huge benefit for guys like me that are lucky to get solo range time, let alone a training partner.
I am an Android guy, is there a chance for a google version? Or am I going to have to buy an iPod
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Cool. Huge benefit for guys like me that are lucky to get solo range time, let alone a training partner.
I am an Android guy, is there a chance for a google version? Or am I going to have to buy an iPod
hehe time to get an iPod Touch ( you know you want one )
Rob would this also work for dry fire practice drills for those that can not get to the range ??
I have a couple of apps that I have been using
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hehe time to get an iPod Touch ( you know you want one )
I will borrow my 14 YO's iPod to try it. He already has the surefire shot timer and a couple ballistic calculators on his Touch.
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I will borrow my 14 YO's iPod to try it. He already has the surefire shot timer and a couple ballistic calculators on his Touch.
the surefire one is cool I have that one
there is some real cool stuff out there and more and more coming as people think of it
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hey guys... Yes, we are working on the app for the Google OS.
As for Dry Fire, in theory, yes it would "work"... but unless you are using a laser trainer to verify point of impact, you could be doing WORSE than just wasting your time by 'practicing' the wrong thing. Even the laser training doesn't really get you practicing properly (no recoil management being the main reason) for defensive shooting.
-RJP
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hey guys... Yes, we are working on the app for the Google OS.
WOOHOO!!
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bump for a status update on the android version.
ETA????
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I am waiting for the Android version too. Heck I want the Surefire app for Android as well. I guess I will just have to wait a bit longer..
-Bidah
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I am waiting for the Android version too. Heck I want the Surefire app for Android as well. I guess I will just have to wait a bit longer..
-Bidah
There are other ballistic calculators available, but no shot timer or training tool :(
I never thought of Apple fanboys as more gun friendly ???
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I never thought of Apple fanboys as more gun friendly ???
At a recent Combat Focus Shooting Instructor Development course, of the 5 laptops in the room, 4 of them were Macs. I know a number of instructors, gun writers and gunsmiths who are Apple advocates. The one thing we all have in common is that we appreciate efficient equipment that makes our jobs easier. ;D
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At a recent Combat Focus Shooting Instructor Development course, of the 5 laptops in the room, 4 of them were Macs. I know a number of instructors, gun writers and gunsmiths who are Apple advocates. The one thing we all have in common is that we appreciate efficient equipment that makes our jobs easier. ;D
Users, sure--but PROGRAMMER'S ???
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Guys, this may be a silly question, but does this app rely on audio commands, visual commands or both? I am wondering how I will hear audio commands with hearing protection on. My iPod speakers are not all that loud to begin with. I am likely missing something here. I did go to iTunes to view the app. There is only one written review and it reveals very little. There are, however, 12 starred evaluations, which are on average 2-1/2 stars. So, some folks, for some reason, are less than excited about this app. Dropping a couple of bucks to find out for myself is no big deal. I would like to believe I will be able to use the app. Any more information?
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Guys, this may be a silly question, but does this app rely on audio commands, visual commands or both? I am wondering how I will hear audio commands with hearing protection on. My iPod speakers are not all that loud to begin with. I am likely missing something here.
It uses audio cues. If you have electronic hearing protection, turn up the volume and you'll hear the commands easily. If your muffs aren't electronic, simply put in your iPod earbuds and put on your muffs. If you routinely use earplugs instead of muffs, you won't be able to use the app all that well.
There is only one written review and it reveals very little. There are, however, 12 starred evaluations, which are on average 2-1/2 stars. So, some folks, for some reason, are less than excited about this app. Dropping a couple of bucks to find out for myself is no big deal. I would like to believe I will be able to use the app. Any more information?
The app works fine. There was a bug in the very first version (a bug I personally never encountered) which was rapidly fixed. I suspect that the low review scores are probably from people who aren't Combat Focus Shooting students who bought the app anyway, and couldn't figure out the purpose.
If you're familiar with CFS, the app is self explanatory and of obvious value.
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Good solutions! Hadn't thought of using the ear buds under my hearing protection. Makes sense. Thanks!
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I'd love it for Android! I tend to have a hard time getting a training partner to call commands for me.
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I've had this App for a while now & it works Great! (Got it right after my 1st CFS course)
I would like an "update" with some more throaty commands. The calls for "up", "left", "right" etc. are very mild...not that they need to be "aggressive", I'd just like them to be.
I enjoy when the crazy little bald guy yells at me! ;D (Hey Rob! Get on that!) LOL
As for using it in a Dry Fire training, I'd say Rob is 100% correct. (don't)
In my opinion, Dry Fire should be reserved for learning trigger "feel"...namely for new shooters in their acclamation phase with the weapon, or when teaching the concept of trigger reset.
That doesn't mean that this App should be reserved only for the range. I've used it at home with my dummy guns to work on & keep fresh, my "presentation from the holster" skills. We all seem to be willing to shell out time & copious amounts of money when it comes to putting rounds down range, (I'm guilty) but how many of us really devote time to the easy free stuff that we can do at home? This App is a good way to receive random commands (if your settings are right) that keep the "surprise" factor up & allows you to practice non-bullet related fundamentals. ;)
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Hey guys... NoBite, THANKS for considering the App. If you go for it, please post your thoughts.
In addition the early sporadic bug, I think several people buy the App without understanding HOW it is meant to be used... but we are going to be tying an instructional video aspect to the App by the end of the summer that should add HUGE training value to it, especially for "newbies" to our concepts.
Meanwhile...
BIG NEWS: ANDROID Version is being developed now... and I need 3 testers... first emails to rob@swatmag.com asking for a copy will get a T&E Version for free.
-Rob
AND, we're working on some voice options. I might include "Angry Rob" :-)
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Sweet!!!
I can't wait! LOL ;D
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Dang, hope I'm not too late for the Android App. Email sent.....
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We're hoping to release the Android app before the end of the year!
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I tried to find the app using an IPad and a laptop- no joy.
Clicked on the link and all I got was "Your request could not be completed" from the IPad and "Not available in the US store" on the computer.
What words do use when I search for it?
"Combat focus' finds the podcasts OK and shot timer brings up SureFire, IPSC, Free Shot Timer, etc....
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looks like it is not on the store at the moment, might of been pulled,
"The item you've requested is not currently available in the US store" I got the same for the AU store