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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: tombogan03884 on January 23, 2008, 01:31:59 AM
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I just e-mailed the chairman of the republican national commitee at chairman@gop.com saying that we were tired of being ignored after handing them 2 wins and would therefore be voting 3rd party.
Some seem to be satisfied by complaining here. Are there any others like me tired of preaching to the chior, who will help flood the e-mail at RNC ?
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I just finished my own email to the powers that want to be. Hope it does some good.....
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Done
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Me Too! Pick up the ball, Republicans!
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I'm in too. Then, time to deal with Congress. Experience is a grim teacher, but they just won't listen. Yet. Mac.
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I have a buddy that asked what I'm going to do with Senator Thompson out of the race. While I'm still not sure and still may write him in because I can't support any of the rest for various reasons. He (he is a borderline RINO) said it must suck to be a conservative this week. I responded with it 'Yes, it does, but I'd rather have principles than go anyway the wind blows or a marxist. I haven't heard back from him since then.
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OUTSTANDING, any more civil rights activists out there?
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Done.
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Counting on the old truism that all all politics is local I have called both my Senators office ,politely told them about their Pres's ( both are GOP ) backstab,told them of MY take on the situation & asked for THEIR help in fixing the GWB backstab.I also requested a reply letter for THEIR response & THEIR fix & I firmly but politely explained if there was no difference in the GOP or Dem 2A posistion that they could no longer count on my support.I'm a registered Libertarian so complaining to the RNC is a NO-WIN but someone I can cast a vote on is another story.
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Here is a link that may help http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.gun.html
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Thanx to all and to 2HOW for that link. Now lets keep it going get our freinds to do the same. WR Hall GOOD point let the local party know as well.
Remember,Abe Lincoln was a third party candidate, Back in the 1820's the Dems were the 3rd party, We CAN WIN.
If we ACT, If you get a chance to embarress an anti 2A politician, catch him in a lie, get him mad enough to say something dumb etc (without being to obvious) DO IT, when he comes up for re-election get it mentioned in the press. They call each other the Honorable this and the Esteemed that, BUT NEVER forget, They are dirty power hungry SOB's and the dirtier you can portray them the better.
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Remember Lee Iacocca, the man who rescued Chrysler Corporation from it's
death throes? He has a new book, Where Have All the Leaders Gone?, and here are some excerpts:
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Lee Iacocca says: "Am I the only guy in this country who's fed up with
what's happening? Where the hell is our outrage? We should be screaming
bloody murder. We've got a gang of clueless bozos steering our ship of
state right over a cliff, we've got corporate gangsters stealing us blind,
and we can't even clean up after a hurricane much less build a hybrid car.
But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when
the politicians say, "Stay the course"
Stay the course? You've got to be kidding. This is America , not the damned
"Titanic". I'll give you a sound bite: "Throw all the bums out!" You might
think I'm getting senile, that I've gone off my rocker, and maybe I have.
But someone has to speak up. I hardly recognize this country anymore.
The most famous business leaders are not the innovators but the guys in
handcuffs. While we're fiddling in Iraq , the Middle East is burning and
nobody seems to know what to do. And the press is waving 'pom-poms' instead
of asking hard questions. That's not the promise of the "America" my
parents and yours traveled across the ocean for. I've had enough. How
about you?
I'll go a step further. You can't call yourself a patriot if you're not
outraged. This is a fight I'm ready and willing to have. The Biggest "C"
is Crisis!
Leaders are made, not born. Leadership is forged in times of crisis. It's
easy to sit there with your feet up on the desk and talk theory. Or send
someone else's kids off to war when you've never seen a battlefield
yourself! It's another thing to lead when your world comes tumbling down.
On September 11, 2001, we needed a strong leader more than any other time in
our history. We needed a steady hand to guide us out of the ashes. A Hell
of a Mess. So here's where we stand. We're immersed in a bloody war with
no plan for winning and no plan for leaving. We're running the biggest
deficit in the history of the country. We're losing the manufacturing edge
to Asia, while our once-great companies are getting slaughtered by health
care costs. Gas prices are skyrocketing, and nobody in power has a coherent
energy policy. Our schools are in trouble. Our borders are like sieves.
The middle class is being squeezed every which way. These are times that cry
out for leadership. But when you look around, you've got to ask: "Where
have all the leader s gone?" Where are the curious, creative communicators?
Where are the people of character, courage, conviction, omnipotence, and
common sense?
I may be a sucker for alliteration, but I think you get the point.
Name me a leader who has a better idea for homeland security than making us
take off our shoes in airports and throw away our shampoo? We've spent
billions of dollars building a huge new bureaucracy, and all we know how to
do is react to things that have already happened.
Name me one leader who emerged from the crisis of Hurricane Katrina.
Congress has yet to spend a single d ay evaluating the response to the
hurricane, or demanding accountability for the decisions that were made in
the crucial hours after the storm. Everyone's hunkering down, fingers
crossed, hoping it doesn't happen again. Now, that's just crazy. Storms
happen. Deal with it. Make a plan. Figure out what you're going to do the
next time.
Name me an industry leader who is thinking creatively about how we can
restore our competitive edge in manufacturing. Who would have believed that
there could ever be a time when "The Big Three" referred to Japanese car
companies? How did this happen, and more important, what are we going to do
about it?
Name me a government leader who can articulate a plan for paying down the
debt, or solving the energy crisis, or managing the health care problem.
The silence is deafening. But these are the crises that are eating away at
our country and mil king the middle class dry.
I have news for the gang in Congress. We didn't elect you to sit on your
asses and do nothing and remain silent while our democracy is being hijacked
and our greatness is being replaced with mediocrity. What is everybody so
afraid of? That some bonehead on Fox News will call them a name? Give me a
break. Why don't you guys show some spine for a change?
Had Enough?
Hey, I'm not trying to be the voice of gloom and doom here. I'm trying to
light a fire. I'm speaking out because I have hope. I believe in America.
In my lifetime I've had the privilege of living through some of America 's
greatest moments. I've also experienced some of our worst crises: the
"Great Depression", "World War II", the "Korean War", the "Kennedy
Assassination", the "Vietnam War", the 1970s oil crisis, and the struggles
of recent years culminating with 9/11. If I've learn ed one thing, it's
this: "You don't get anywhere by standing on the sidelines waiting for
somebody else to take action.
Whether it's building a better car or building a better future for our
children, we all have a role to play. That's the challenge I'm raising in
this book. It's a call to "Action" for people who, like me, believe in
America. It's not too late, but it's getting pretty close. So let's shake
off the crap and go to work. Let's tell 'em all we've had "enough."
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I agree with what he says, but this is the guy who arranged for that "No-good government" to bail out his car company when it was going down the crapper. While my own business was struggling his buddies in the congress bailed his ass out. They weren't all boneheads then, were they?
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I agree with what he says, but this is the guy who arranged for that "No-good government" to bail out his car company when it was going down the crapper. While my own business was struggling his buddies in the congress bailed his ass out. They weren't all boneheads then, were they?
LOL ...nooo they were not... and I thought of that as I posted.. but I thought there still was the "issue" that rang true..
Yea.. when all of that happened.. it didn't set with me too well and I think not with anyone who owned their own business..
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Hello, this is my first post here. I've been reading this forum for a while now, I guess you'd call it lurking. I had to register and let you know I agree whole heartedly with much of what I have read,but this post got me involved, I just sent this to the RNC. I hope it isn't too over the top.
Dear Sir,
As the subject line says, I have had it with the Republicans this election. I have supported the Republican party for the last 5 elections,and all have promised to protect my rights,but have failed me. I want a candidate who will not break promises made during the campaign, as soon as they get elected! What am I talking about? I want a true conservative who will work to prevent any more restrictions on my constitutional RIGHTS!! I firmly believe in all the Bill Of Rights, including the 4th and 2nd amendments.
If the Republicans can't produce a candidate who is a real believer in all of our rights maybe I'll have to vote 3rd party this time at the polls. I know this probably doesn't really mean a whole lot, I'm only one voter, but I can't support anyone who doesn't suppot me. I would like to hear one candidate stand up in public and promise and keep his promise to not authorize even one more gun control law or any more intrusions into my privacy, including e-mails....
I am registered as Republican, but I don't have to vote a straight party ballot, I do have choises and I will be making those choices during the coming months. I sincerly hope I have a good one to choose. If all I can do is choose the lesser of two evils, I'll choose the third or fourth one.
Sincerely
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alben1, Welcome to the revolution. Yes you are only one,and I'm only one, and Marshal'ette is only one. Only one etc etc adds up to a bunch. When many "only ones hang together they become a force to be reckoned with.
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There are many many many of us.. ( which is apparent here on Down Range) and all over the country . We just have to organize so that we rally and stand strong at the same time.. whether it be in mass letters, e-mails, or standing on the steps of the main buildings.
The people who have spoken out on here ( regardless of if what they say is agreed with or disagreed with on this forum) have over the top intelligence plus the backbone in backing your views.
We're not chopped liver you know.. ;D
I realize that I am a mere" ( not mare ;) ) woman and that I am occasionally easily impressed.. ::), but I do think that in this 1st
rate forum that we have here.. there is some valid and sane answers to 'try' to make a bit of difference.
And if it doesn't? And the Democrats sit in the White House..
Then we can proudly say, " We tried" .
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There are many many many of us.. ( which is apparent here on Down Range) and all over the country . We just have to organize so that we rally and stand strong at the same time.. whether it be in mass letters, e-mails, or standing on the steps of the main buildings.
The people who have spoken out on here ( regardless of if what they say is agreed with or disagreed with on this forum) have over the top intelligence plus the backbone in backing your views.
We're not chopped liver you know.. ;D
I realize that I am a mere" ( not mare ;) ) woman and that I am occasionally easily impressed.. ::), but I do think that in this 1st
rate forum that we have here.. there is some valid and sane answers to 'try' to make a bit of difference.
And if it doesn't? And the Democrats sit in the White House..
Then we can proudly say, " We tried" .
(http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/beer.gif)
The guys on Lexington Common on April 18th 1775 were trying as well
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Be loud and strong.
Frankly, it seems like too many so-called conservatives on this board are acting "French" as it is, expecting an anti-2A dimwit in the Oval Office come November.
Put your damn hands and white flags down, and ROCK THIS VOTE!
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I realize that I am a mere" ( not mare ;) ) woman and that I am occasionally easily impressed.. ::), but I do think that in this 1st
rate forum that we have here.. there is some valid and sane answers to 'try' to make a bit of difference.
And if it doesn't? And the Democrats sit in the White House..
Then we can proudly say, " We tried" .
(http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/beer.gif)
Don't say a mere woman. I have known many strong women and I highly respect them. My wife is one, and actually my first wife was too (we're still friends, even though we couldn't live together). I see a very strong woman in you, one who checks the facts and then makes a decision.
I also have voiced my feelings to the RNC, and we will see what happens from that. If they hear enough they'll have to at least consider what we're saying to them.
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Thanks... :)
Sometimes I check my facts and actually think..
Other times I knee jerk and just start blasting.. :-X
:)
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That's not always a bad thing either
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And you expect to make a real difference how? 2A voters couldn't hand the nomination to Fred and you expect to elect a 3rd party prez? Uh, how? Posting on forums with like minded people won't get anyone elected anything: SEE FRED. Most gun owners will probably line up and vote for McCain. By November the "vote 3rd party" movement will have withered and only a handful of you will be left.
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So, What are YOU doing to protect our civil rights, besides telling others their actions are useless ? Thats defeatist.
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I have fired yet another blistering email to the chairman. No more money till they prove worthy of my support.
I wonder if there is any hope they will "get it"?
McCain seems to be the establishment candidate or the RNC, damn them.
Feels kinda like the "its Bob Dole's turn".
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Good for you jimmr, it's good to hear that we aren't ALL lining up to turn in our guns like SOME seem to be.
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McCain is pro-2A. Just too bad he's a bloody nanny-state and censorship slug.
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McCain is NOT pro 2A. Look at other threads I have posted here with his voting record.
Gun Control
Not content with limiting Americans’ 1st Amendment protections, McCain has also taken aim at the 2nd Amendment. In 2001, he was the lead sponsor of an anti-gun show bill (S 890) that gun-rights groups adamantly opposed. On Nov. 30, 2001, the NRA wrote about McCain’s determination to push the bill though the Senate:
“In an effort to help move his stalled legislation, McCain has embraced the anti-gun organization Americans for Gun Safety (AGS) and the gun-ban lobby formerly known as HCI, as well as the shameless strategy these groups have adopted of exploiting our nation’s legitimate fears over terrorism in the wake of the attacks of September 11.
“. . . McCain told USA Today: ‘Clearly, alleged members of terrorist organizations have been able to secure guns and weapons using the gun-show loophole,’ a bogus claim AGS began making within days of the terrorist attacks. NRA-ILA Executive Director James Jay Baker ... told USA Today, ‘None of the terrorism we saw visited on this country on September 11 had anything to do with firearms.’
“It should not be too surprising to find Sen. McCain reading from an AGS-supplied script, however, as the Arizona lawmaker and the anti-gun organization have schemed to promote attacks on gun shows for more than a year. AGS -- founded and funded by billionaire and former HCI board member Andrew McKelvey -- has committed to spend at least $1 million to promote McCain’s legislation. So much for McCain’s ‘opposition’ to well-funded special interest groups.”
McCain introduced another anti-gun show bill on Oct. 31, 2003, based on the 2001 bill.
Describing McCain’s political transformation on gun rights timed with his 2000 presidential run, Gun Owners of America, who gave McCain grades of “F-minus” in their 2004 and 2006 grading cycles, recently said in an op-ed:
“Earlier in his career, McCain had voted against the Clinton crime bill (which contained a ban on so-called assault weapons), and he did not join the 16 Senate Republicans who voted for the Brady bill, which required a five-day waiting period for the purchase of a handgun. But as he ramped up for his presidential run in 2000, McCain, expanding on the ‘maverick’ theme, staked out a position on guns far to the left of his primary opponent, George W. Bush.
“McCain began speaking out against small, inexpensive handguns and he entertained the idea of supporting the ‘assault weapons’ ban. . . .
“McCain was featured in radio and television ads in Colorado and Oregon supporting initiatives to severely regulate gun shows and register gun buyers. Anti-gunners were ecstatic to get McCain on board. . . . The ads not only pushed the anti-gun-show measure in those two states, they also served to undermine the efforts of gun rights activists who were furiously lobbying against the same type of bill in Congress. . . .
“John McCain tried running for President in 2000 as an anti-gunner. This year it appears he is seeking to ‘come home’ to the pro-gun community, but the wounds are deep and memories long.”
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I'll bring it up again, HOW MANY OF YOU WILL ATTEND THE DELEGATE MEETING AFTER YOU HAVE VOTED???? >:(
As as distasteful as it seems, WE ALL need to learn to be part of the process, after the primary election, there will be a meeting to decide who the delegates from your precinct will be and what you want your party platform to be. Be there, say your piece, and if your inclined, be a DELEGATE!!! At the very least attend the meeting, if you don't speak out, remember, it will be 4 years before you can make a difference again. :-X
I would like for anyone who has done this to affirm what I'm saying. I guess I should do a poll, as this may seem alien to most of you. When you walk in to vote, ask " what time is the delegate meeting? " and that person should be able to answer, and you just return at that time and get involved. ;)
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NH had thiers before You told us about this, So I missed out. I hope everyone in the super tuesday states listens to you!
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Hazcat - I was just going on what Madogre said (even though Ogre's more toward Romney).
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No problem, Doug. I just wanted you to have the real info.
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Say Uncle has a very good article on Obama's links to an insidious gun grabber organization.
I say the families of the victims of the recent Tinley Park shootings should sue HCI and Sarah Brady for complicity and collusion to assist murderers in rounding up helpless victims and killing them.
$5 million per death should be a good start.
Though, honestly, I'd rather HCI and Brady be criminally charged with reckless endangerment and conspiracy to commit murder. >:(
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At least as accessories, All the gun grabber politicians are guilty
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At least as accessories, All the gun grabber politicians are guilty
And since Saddam hung for a conviction of only murdering about 200 people, I can only imagine the thousands of unarmed Americans gunned down should be good for mass neck-stretchings should criminal charges gain conviction...
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Bear in mind, voting 3rd party, or simply staying home on election day, will only have the effect of handing the presidency to the Democrats. Again. That's how Bill Clinton won, both times.
If you believe that by doing so, you will be making a statement, or standing on principle, consider where your principle will be when President ClintBama and the Democrat congress begins gun registration and another "assault weapon" ban. By doing so, you will be allowing the Sociocrats to divide and conquer.
If you can't vote FOR the Republican, then for God's sake at least vote AGAINST the Democrat.
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I've said it before and I'm going to say it again. Andrew Jackson was a third party candidate, so wasn't Abe Lincoln. The only thing keeping a PRO GUN 3rd party candidate from winning is people who agree with his policies saying Oh I'm voting for a scumbag because the better guy can't win.
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I've said it before and I'm going to say it again. Andrew Jackson was a third party candidate, so wasn't Abe Lincoln. The only thing keeping a PRO GUN 3rd party candidate from winning is people who agree with his policies saying Oh I'm voting for a scumbag because the better guy can't win.
And there is absolutely no hope in a third party movement in this country at this time. Hate to bust your bubble, but 2A voters aren't enuff of a voting bloc to carry an election on their own. You should have learned that from Fred. 2A voters can tip the balance in close elections but can't elect their candidate on their own.
The Republican party was born of the abolition movement and today there is no such crisis to cause Americans to flock to a third party.
BTW, The Democratic party traces it roots back to Jefferson, not Andy Janckson.
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I'll have to check but I don't think Jefferson was ELECTED as a Dem, Jackson was. But either way Lincoln still makes my point. Of course back then people voted for what they believed , not to avoid being on the losing side.
If you do not think the 2d Amendment issue is as much a Civil rights Issue as slavery then I suggest you go back to the history books as well. You can vote for the canned liberal if you want But I'm voting for Ron Paul who has a wider base of support than just gun owners. People who just talk, or think a check to the NRA is enough only have opinions. People with BELIEFS are prepared to act on them even if it means losing,because one loss is only a set back, WE CAN ONLY BE DEFEATED IF WE GIVE UP. If we refuse to give up all that they can do is kill us and even then OUR BELIEFS ARE NOT DEFEATED.
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Seen on T-shirt today. "ROMNEY! He sucks the least!!"
Gonna have to think about that apparent reality. No primary here til May. Mac.
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Obama said " Don"t worry, I'm not gonna take your guns". I say, "Damn right your not."
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Damn right he OR she is not! Mac&Scarlett.
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Dang Mac.. what did 'ya do to piss her off? :o
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Every time I say "Hillary?", she does that. Strange..
Mac.