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Title: Rats!
Post by: TAB on February 07, 2018, 12:18:01 PM
Damn bastards ate the rubber hydrolic hoses on my mini excavator... sprayed ~15 gallons of fluid  all over... what's worse I can not move it.  So now it is stuck, on a job site, holding up the project.   6 guys sitting on their hands waiting on $500 in lines and fluid...  hopefully we can get back up and running by noon.
Title: Re: Rats!
Post by: billt on February 07, 2018, 01:08:15 PM
When I saw the title of the thread, I thought it was going to be about liberal Democrats! I didn't know rats would eat rubber?
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Post by: Solus on February 07, 2018, 01:14:31 PM
If you find rat droppings on your garage floor, better get your vehicles hoses and wires checked...

Had a dog that chewed through an electric cord that was plugged in...he had a burn on his lip and if I moved any appliance with the cord dangling, he ran and hid from it..

Wonder if some kind of rat deterrent might be made from chew-able electric cords...if nothing else, you might feel better knowing they are getting a jolt.
Title: Re: Rats!
Post by: TAB on February 07, 2018, 01:16:50 PM
When I saw the title of the thread, I thought it was going to be about liberal Democrats! I didn't know rats would eat rubber?
look on the bright side, I can shoot this kind of rat.
Title: Re: Rats!
Post by: Big Frank on February 07, 2018, 02:14:55 PM
I've heard of a lot of people having electrical wires chewed on by mice too. So far I've been lucky.
Title: Re: Rats!
Post by: Jim Kennedy-ar154me on February 07, 2018, 02:31:49 PM
look on the bright side, I can shoot this kind of rat.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Rats!
Post by: PegLeg45 on February 07, 2018, 03:44:20 PM
When I saw the title of the thread, I thought it was going to be about liberal Democrats! I didn't know rats would eat rubber?

Shoot, they'll gnaw up a wide variety of things without really eating it (squirrels will too).
A few months ago my mom had to have the low voltage thermostat wiring replaced for her HVAC unit because mice had chewed the wiring. The guy doing the repair said he'd just spent the last six weeks off and on combating rats at a local business for doing the same thing. He said a restaurant was built next door, and they put a trash dumpster out back, which draws rats. The rats started first chewing on the wiring, and after repairing it twice, they relocated the HVAC unit to an elevated platform. But, they did it again and then also chewed through the PVC drain lines. When it was all done with, they ended up running all the wiring and drain lines in galvanized pipe.
Title: Re: Rats!
Post by: Solus on February 07, 2018, 03:49:51 PM
look on the bright side, I can shoot this kind of rat.

I like this idea...but name them first...like Pelosi or Hillary or Schumer or maybe even McCain?
Title: Re: Rats!
Post by: PegLeg45 on February 07, 2018, 03:53:19 PM
I had to........

Title: Re: Rats!
Post by: Big Frank on February 07, 2018, 06:59:57 PM
All rodents have teeth that keep growing their whole lives. They have to chew on things to keep them worn down to a usable length. A long time ago I saw a picture that I can't recall if it was a squirrel or a rat, but it was sick. Because it couldn't eat and gnaw on things enough, the lower front teeth grew out through the top of its face.
Title: Re: Rats!
Post by: MikeBjerum on February 07, 2018, 08:03:08 PM
I've heard of a lot of people having electrical wires chewed on by mice too. So far I've been lucky.

Back in the late 80's we went to get the combine ready for harvest and found we had electrical issues.  I drilled out the pop rivets on a corner piece in the cab to check the wires.  A bundle of over 100 wires that went from the side counsel to the overhead counsel with all the gauges and more switches.  The mice had chewed through all the wire loom, almost all of the insulation, and about half of the actual wires.  Four days of spending all of my free time cutting, soldering, heat shrinking, cutting, soldering, heat shrinking, cutting ...

To make the job as easy as possible, I made a template eight inches long, cut that length out of a wire, stripped the insulation back on each end, had a pre-cut fill in ready, soldered the connections, and protected with heat shrink tubing.  Something I was smart enough to start with was staggering the splices up and down.  This is how I came up with the eight inch length.  I based it on the length of damage and getting staggered joints.  I figured that If I just lopped it all off at the same place I would never have room for the thickness of the splices.

Best feeling, besides buttoning it up after many many hours of work, was going through harvest with all gauges, monitors, lights, and switches working properly.
Title: Re: Rats!
Post by: Big Frank on February 07, 2018, 11:15:22 PM
Back in the late 80's we went to get the combine ready for harvest and found we had electrical issues.  I drilled out the pop rivets on a corner piece in the cab to check the wires.  A bundle of over 100 wires that went from the side counsel to the overhead counsel with all the gauges and more switches.  The mice had chewed through all the wire loom, almost all of the insulation, and about half of the actual wires.  Four days of spending all of my free time cutting, soldering, heat shrinking, cutting, soldering, heat shrinking, cutting ...

To make the job as easy as possible, I made a template eight inches long, cut that length out of a wire, stripped the insulation back on each end, had a pre-cut fill in ready, soldered the connections, and protected with heat shrink tubing.  Something I was smart enough to start with was staggering the splices up and down.  This is how I came up with the eight inch length.  I based it on the length of damage and getting staggered joints.  I figured that If I just lopped it all off at the same place I would never have room for the thickness of the splices.

Best feeling, besides buttoning it up after many many hours of work, was going through harvest with all gauges, monitors, lights, and switches working properly.

You would have been so screwed if the wires were all the same color. That was good thinking, staggering the splices. I did that on the tail lights of my trailer that only had 2 wires on each side, but the loom was kind of narrow and still barely fit through washers welded on the bottom of the trailer to support it.
Title: Re: Rats!
Post by: MikeBjerum on February 08, 2018, 04:50:24 PM
Tracing marks!

There are not enough colors to handle this loom, so it was mostly white with different tracing marks.
Title: Re: Rats!
Post by: Solus on February 08, 2018, 05:01:36 PM
Ok...we need a rodent targeted poison spray for our wires..

Anyone know of one?

I keep  hearing about ultrasonic devices to drive them away...but I hear they are only effective for a short time as the pests get use to them and come back. 

Some of them actually connect to a vehicles electric system for power and some claim they alternate frequencies to keep the buggers from getting used to the noise...but who knows what is true.


Title: Re: Rats!
Post by: Big Frank on February 08, 2018, 05:38:26 PM
When my mom and dad had mice in their garage they put out d-CON for them to eat. They can't chew on anything when they're dead.  ;)  Tomcat should work too but has a different type of active ingredient.

D-CON causes internal bleeding, leading to shock, loss of consciousness, and eventually death. Tomcat causes a buildup of cerebral spinal fluid that results in increased intracranial pressure, causing paralysis, convulsions, and death. My dad took Warfarin as a blood thinner which acts just like D-CON, but in a much smaller dose.

http://www.d-conproducts.com/products/

https://www.tomcatbrand.com/en-us/products
Title: Re: Rats!
Post by: MikeBjerum on February 08, 2018, 06:00:54 PM
With the barns we rotated between TomCat and Jaguar.  Both come in little paper packets you can put wherever you wish.

We used the packets alone in several places, and bait stations along runs.
Title: Re: Rats!
Post by: Solus on February 08, 2018, 06:02:59 PM
When my mom and dad had mice in their garage they put out d-CON for them to eat. They can't chew on anything when they're dead.  ;)  Tomcat should work too but has a different type of active ingredient.

D-CON causes internal bleeding, leading to shock, loss of consciousness, and eventually death. Tomcat causes a buildup of cerebral spinal fluid that results in increased intracranial pressure, causing paralysis, convulsions, and death. My dad took Warfarin as a blood thinner which acts just like D-CON, but in a much smaller dose.

http://www.d-conproducts.com/products/

https://www.tomcatbrand.com/en-us/products

Which is the most horrible way for them to die?

I read a long time ago that rats could not handle yeast...and if you laced bait with it, it would grow in their stomachs and intestines causing them to rupture....  I liked thinking about that...but don't know if it is true
 
Title: Re: Rats!
Post by: Big Frank on February 08, 2018, 06:16:33 PM
Which is the most horrible way for them to die?

I read a long time ago that rats could not handle yeast...and if you laced bait with it, it would grow in their stomachs and intestines causing them to rupture....  I liked thinking about that...but don't know if it is true

That sounds like another myth along the lines of, don't throw rice at weddings because birds will explode after eating it, and seagulls will explode if they eat Alka-Seltzer, neither of which is true. But a guy in the army told me something that sounded possible. If you put popcorn on a fishhook and cast your line into a flock of seagulls you can catch one and "fly it by remote control".  ;D
Title: Re: Rats!
Post by: Solus on February 08, 2018, 07:04:38 PM
That sounds like another myth along the lines of, don't throw rice at weddings because birds will explode after eating it, and seagulls will explode if they eat Alka-Seltzer, neither of which is true. But a guy in the army told me something that sounded possible. If you put popcorn on a fishhook and cast your line into a flock of seagulls you can catch one and "fly it by remote control".  ;D

HAHAHA  No one likes a Smart Alec, Jumbo =)))
 
Title: Re: Rats!
Post by: Big Frank on February 08, 2018, 10:38:30 PM
I wasn't trying to be a Smart Alec. But speaking of a flock of seagulls . . .  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIpfWORQWhU
Title: Re: Rats!
Post by: Majer on February 09, 2018, 08:42:57 AM
For a non poison way of killing them, put out some of the flaked instant potatoes in a bowl with some water nearby, They eat the potatoes and get thirsty, drink the water and it builds up gas, rodents can't pass gas and the stomach explodes, killing them.
Title: Re: Rats!
Post by: Solus on February 09, 2018, 02:11:00 PM
For a non poison way of killing them, put out some of the flaked instant potatoes in a bowl with some water nearby, They eat the potatoes and get thirsty, drink the water and it builds up gas, rodents can't pass gas and the stomach explodes, killing them.

That was the theory with using yeast on the bait....maybe that works too?
Title: Re: Rats!
Post by: Big Frank on February 09, 2018, 03:29:13 PM
I just read online that rats love instant potatoes. A guy tried that among other things to kill rats and it didn't work. Rats can’t vomit or burp, but they can fart, so they don't blow up. I don't know why instant potatoes would cause gas in the first place.