The Down Range Forum
Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: rojawe on June 15, 2008, 08:32:45 PM
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How many of you have or shot the 75 Series Pistols 9mm, I think they are great and will hold their own with any comparable pistol. ;D :o :P
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According to this sight, the top sounds pretty good.
I own an EAA Witness .40, identical in design, different caliber of course, but it is spot on.
P.S. Don't tell Hawkfish where those "G" guns placed.
http://www.best9mm.com/
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I shot one many years ago, before they were available for import to the U.S., a buddy was given one as a going away present from his West German counterparts, it was one of the finest pistols I've ever shot, period...
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I'm a big fan (big surprise, huh ;D). I have a 75B in 9mm with Hougue grips. I use mine for IDPA and put about 500 rounds a month through it. The only jam I have ever had was when I bought a cheap magazine...now I only buy factory or Mec-Gar mags. It comes up natural, has a great trigger, is more accurate than I'll ever be, and just feels good in your hand. In my opinion...this is one of the finest 9mm pistols you can buy.
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Great guns.
Take a stroll on www.best9mm.com . The CZ 75 B is ranked number 1 of 25 guns. It is inexpensive, well built and supremely reliable. Add to that it's all metal construction (except for the grips) and ergonomics....definitely top ranked.
I own two, the CZ 75 B in 40 S&W and the SP-01 model as I want to shoot competition (at least try it once) and 9MM is cheap ammo. I see a CZ 2075 Rami in my future...near future.
Metal guns...something about that makes me say yeah.
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It's a very good gun, I like 'em a lot.
Popular worldwide. When I travelled a lot, the cognoscenti packed mostly Glocks, BHPs, and CZ75s when they had a choice.
MRBS (mean rounds between stoppages) from govt tests (USA and Czech):
CZ75 compact 2,143 (7 in 15,000)
M11 (SIG P228) 15,000 (1 in 15,000)
Different set of guns and ammo, could easily swap places IMO. Lots of good clones from Switzerland, Italy, and Turkey too.
The new Armalite pistols are made in Turkey by Sarsilmaz, and are clones of the Tangfolio, which is a clone of the CZ...
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MRBS (mean rounds between stoppages) from govt tests (USA and Czech):
CZ75 compact 2,143 (7 in 15,000)
M11 (SIG P228) 15,000 (1 in 15,000)...........
Any data for the full size CZ 75 B. I think I remember some number in the range of the Sig being quoted....but that was long ago and I am old now.
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I bought my wife one years ago - before my 'complete' conversion to round guns. By far, it was the best evil-bottom-feeder I ever shot, as far as dependability. 8k-10k rounds through it - mostly Blazers - which we bought locally for <$80/case - cheap plinkers for her. Never a hiccup of any kind. A range-mate bought it - and severed the take-down pin the next week! Still, it came with a Hi-cap and a 10 rd mag - we bought a pair of US-made 15+ rd pre-bans back then... never a problem. I was just hard pressed to 'keep up' loading those mags with her shooting - and what a tackdriver from 12-25yd. Easy to clean, too. If they still were available with that RH thumbrest on the grip, I'd buy another - maybe even a similar CZ-97B (.45 ACP variant)... despite my now longtime edict of 'No rude-case-tossers!'. I've shot everything imagineable - and some best forgotten - in 9mm - the CZ is my favorite - with the S&W M&P 9mm right behind - then the Beretta 92 - the Glocks are way back.
Stainz
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I have had one for a number of years, and it has been a great pistol. While I cannot find anything specific to the 75 B, I would surmise that it would hold true to what was stated in this American Handgunner article about the P01:
For instance, according to the information supplied by CZ, the gun had to withstand 4,000 dry-firings, 3,000 de-cockings, operator-level disassembly and re-assembly 1,350 times, complete disassembly (all the way down to pins and springs) 150 times, 100-percent parts interchangeability, a 1.5 meter drop test (54 times) on concrete, three meter drop test, firing after being frozen at -36 F for 24 hours, firing after being submerged in mud, sand and combinations--and after having been stripped of all oil. The service life must exceed 15,000 rounds of +P 9mm ammo and indeed, testing revealed the P-01 has exceeded 30,000 rounds with ball 9mm.
The reliability requirement protocol was particularly astounding. Set at 98.8 percent (.2 percent) failure rate, this was tough-enough for any gun. This equals 20 stoppages per 10,000 rounds, or 500 "mean rounds between failures" (MRBF). During testing, the average number of stoppages was only seven per 15,000 rounds, or .05 percent failure rate. This translates to a MRBF rate of 2,142 rounds. That happens to be about five times the minimum acceptable rate for the U.S. Army, which is set at 495 rounds for 9mm pistols with 115 gr. ball ammo. The bottom line here is the fact this appears to be a rugged, highly reliable design, despite its small size and alloy frame. With this kind of testing history--and our own shooting experiences with the P-01--we think it should be a breeze for it to hold-up to anything a civilian shooter could dish at it.
-Bidah