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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Solus on April 26, 2016, 01:57:15 PM
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Here is a link to a post by a Canadian gun owner speaking to not voting for Trump if he is the GOP nominee.
While I have expressed my concerns about Trump, this is something to think about
"The next President will have the power to potentially create a 7-2 Supreme Court skewed in their ideology
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Valene-Valhalla/449286081797360
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If it's Trump against the Hilldabeast you HAVE to vote for him. She'll pack the SCOTUS with asshats and there will be hell to pay.
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Vote for Satan if he is te Republican nominee. The alternative is either Hillary or Bernie.
with any Republican, even a RINO POS like Kasich, we may lose out, but with ANY Democrat our loss is guaranteed. That is stipulated in their party platform.
If America falls to the Humanist, gay, Muslims it will be because you allowed it, and therefore deserve it.
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Vote for Satan if he is te Republican nominee. The alternative is either Hillary or Bernie.
with any Republican, even a RINO POS like Kasich, we may lose out, but with ANY Democrat our loss is guaranteed. That is stipulated in their party platform.
If America falls to the Humanist, gay, Muslims it will be because you allowed it, and therefore deserve it.
Tom, does the "you" in your post me "we" or are you exempt and the rest of us are to blame?
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It's an "Imperial" you. It means everyone reading it, although many, including myself, the John Birch Society, and others have been trying to warn society against their stupidity for decades.
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what's wrong with voting for this ?
Be patient, it takes a while before he shows up.
Skip to about 50 minutes.
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I won't go as far as Tom and vote for satan, but we cannot afford to vote against, and that is what a non-vote would be, ANY Republican nominee.
The party leaders blew it when they didn't take Trump serious and didn't work with him from the start. Now they play catch up and are in such a panic mode we get weird things popping up. Keep in mind that what we hear about the turmoil is media hype, and they will blow it up much larger than it really is to make us look and sound worse.
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"...and unless you name the enemy, you will never solve the problem." ~ Donald Trump
Yep........and the list is long.
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He did a good job....and if anyone can get all that done, it would be him...
We will see if he stays true to his commitment.
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I won't go as far as Tom and vote for satan, but we cannot afford to vote against, and that is what a non-vote would be, ANY Republican nominee.
The party leaders blew it when they didn't take Trump serious and didn't work with him from the start. Now they play catch up and are in such a panic mode we get weird things popping up. Keep in mind that what we hear about the turmoil is media hype, and they will blow it up much larger than it really is to make us look and sound worse.
Just a figure of speech.
Satan would be a perfect Democrat.
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Just a figure of speech.
Satan would be a perfect Democrat.
Based on what I've read about both subjects, I think you're right.
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Trump is the nonofficial/official candidate for the GOP!
How do you see this playing out?
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Jan 2017 President Trump sworn in.
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This is an honest question and not meant to be contrary or combative. I'm trying to see your angle here.
Please tell me your reasons supporting this. What percentages and numbers do you have to support your thoughts? Are you basing this on just the primary results or an overall factor?
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Not sure how the GOP convention works, but from what I have gathered if Trump does not have enough delegates to win on the first ballot when they are all supposedly bound to vote for who got the primary delegates, the nomination is up for grabs. Would not be surprised if Jeb Bush was pushed through to become the GOP nominee.
If Trump becomes the GOP Nominee:
If Trump is a shill for Clinton, he will sabotage his campaign after getting the nomination and lose the election to Clinton.
Or if Trump is honest in his bid for the Presidency he will have a fight ahead for the election.
My feeling is that it will be harder to convince Democrats to vote for Trump than to convince Republicans to vote for Clinton (Laura Bush is said to have "hinted" she would prefer Clinton over Trump..if that is even true, or worth anything).
I think independents, like myself, will see Trump, if he is a serious candidate, as the non-established party choice and he will do well there.
I imagine we will be watching one of the most viscous campaigns as Trump will, no doubt, dig up as much dirt on Clinton as can be found and most of that will be unethical political dealings and would be fairly damaging.
The dirt on Trump will be unethical business dealings and some part of it might even be seen as beneficial for a politician and the rest might not be as damaging as Clinton's "dirt".
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If Trump becomes the GOP Nominee:
If Trump is a shill for Clinton, he will sabotage his campaign after getting the nomination and lose the election to Clinton.
Or if Trump is honest in his bid for the Presidency he will have a fight ahead for the election.
My feeling is that it will be harder to convince Democrats to vote for Trump than to convince Republicans to vote for Clinton (Laura Bush is said to have "hinted" she would prefer Clinton over Trump..if that is even true, or worth anything).
I think independents, like myself, will see Trump, if he is a serious candidate, as the non-established party choice and he will do well there.
I imagine we will be watching one of the most viscous campaigns as Trump will, no doubt, dig up as much dirt on Clinton as can be found and most of that will be unethical political dealings and would be fairly damaging.
The dirt on Trump will be unethical business dealings and some part of it might even be seen as beneficial for a politician and the rest might not be as damaging as Clinton's "dirt".
'Bout the way I see it as well.....good summation.
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I don't like Trump. He did some things in Atlantic City that were terrible for local folks...he put some out of business just not paying bills. The flip side of that is I know of two other business types, both graduates of Wharton, like Trump, who did the same thing to people they were dealing with. You go to that school, learn how to play power games, and that's what you do.
Having said all that, Trump has performed a nearly impossible feat getting to where he is. His candidacy was a complete joke until recently (some may say it's STILL a joke), but the fact is he has arrived where he is with no (conscious) help from democrats, republicans, the establishment, the media, public opinion, etc. However, while they all thought he was a joke, Trump USED all of them. There wasn't an interview anywhere that didn't start with, "What do you think about what Trump said about...." They were all his handmaidens.
To reiterate, I don't like Trump...maybe someday I will, but I KNOW I want nothing to do with Clinton. She is everything that is wrong with politics in this country and she is a criminal, so given the choice between the two, I would NOT vote for Clinton.
On the plus side, two things. First, Trump has publicly proven that he knows how to get shit done. Hands down. So I will assume from that that he could be reasonably effective in the office. The question is, what is it he will try to do? My feeling, prediction, whatever, is that it is just dawning on HIM that he could be the next POTUS and could make history, and he WANTS that. I predict he will act less and less like t-Rump and more presidential. I think he knows WHY people are going for him, that it is driven from conservative circles primarily, and so I think he will align himself more to the right.
Second, and I know I harp on this, I am a single issue voter. Flip flops aside, Trump says 2A is a good thing and needs protection, and Hilary says it's bad and wants our guns.
The choice is obvious. If you want to apply your principles and write in Bernie or Cruz, or Ben Carson, or Rand Paul, you are fooling yourself at great cost, because we are in the fight of our lives right now and we have no good options, only hopefully bearable options, and only ONE option at that. Trump is scary, but he's not Clinton. Vote for Trump. Get over the drama and keep the progressives from slamming the last few nails in our coffins.
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Vote for the lesser of two evils they say......Goddammit!!! We're still voting for EVIL!!! Don't think I can do it this time.
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This is why I asked how you think this will play out. I see some major divisions for the GOP this election and I wonder how this will work.
Are there new voters coming in that the demographics aren't showing or will the GOP unite against Clinton?
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Some of the GOP are burning their membership cards and fleeing for the Libertarian party.
I quit the GOP twenty years ago... They stopped representing me decades ago.
I'll vote for Trump. It will matter little though. MA will go to the commies..it always does.
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Vote for the lesser of two evils they say......Goddammit!!! We're still voting for EVIL!!! Don't think I can do it this time.
What is so terrible about electing a businessman who has actually DONE something instead of the usual run of lawyers and career politicians ?
So what if he's rude ?
The election is for President,not Best Friend, or Sainthood.
You want a friend vote for a dog.
On second thought don't, Hillary can't win.
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What is so terrible about electing a businessman who has actually DONE something instead of the usual run of lawyers and career politicians ?
So what if he's rude ?
The election is for President,not Best Friend, or Sainthood.
You want a friend vote for a dog.
On second thought don't, Hillary can't win.
Everyone, feel the Bogan! The GOP is going to stay home? Why, because the GOP pols have been such standard bearers for our values and so successful at passing great legislation and defending the Constitution, because up until this dark day they have produced such great candidates for President?
GOP has been useless, ESPECIALLY since they gained control of both congressional houses. To the stoic "GOPPERS", you friggin' blew it!!! Sit down, shut up, and do what you have to do to keep the Hildebeast's hands off of our government and Constitution. If you don't you will get more of same, and I know I certainly don't want that.
Evangelicals are pissed? I can't remember when they HAVEN'T been pissed! Mainstream is shocked? Maybe if the GOP pretty boys had come out and had something to say things might be different but they're NOT.
I don't mean to offend, but I AM offended when I hear conservatives I know bitching about Trump and they'll have to stay home and knit on election day. Were the last several R presidents super conservative? Hell no. Reagan is a saint, but he wasn't elected as a super conservative. Trump said something un-PC about women? Oh, like none of us ever have? Trump spreads hate? That's why democrats go to his events and start fights in the streets. Trump made a dick joke? If you are a guy and never made a dick joke, turn in your weapons. I am NOT a fan of Trump, but HE is the only option for POTUS, the only opposition to the organized crime and depravity of the progressives in this country. THAT is the hand we are dealt.
Conservatives, we are bigger than that. Get over it....the next republican president is not going to eliminate abortion, shrink the federal govt, and eliminate the debt. Get OVER it.
It's time to make lemonade, folks. Time to push the button that send a big F-You to Hillary and her band of slimy professionals. Assuming the lineup is as predicted, you are not a patriot if you don't take the information, the tools, and the choices at hand and cast your vote BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW NOW to allow the LEAST amount of harm come to your country. Any other action is BS.
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I have been listening to people here, on facebook, and watching the papers. I am afraid we are handing everything to the DNC. The GOP blew it when they let Trump run as a Republican when they weren't willing to endorse him. Then we sent too many candidates into the primaries and let them destroy themselves. Now we have killed a few off, bloodied others, and created a deep divide and hard feelings among the voters. This isn't much different than how we elected BHO twice.
We need to vote for Trump to keep Hillary out. We need to vote for conservatives in all other offices to keep Trump in line. And, we need to get our S**T together and start acting like an organization before the next election comes around.
If you vote Libertarian, that is your choice; if you vote DFL, that is your choice; if you vote Green, that is your choice; but if you don't vote, keep you mouth shut about the elected officials until you grow up and vote the next time around.
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It is my hope that as November gets closer we see people start to unite to keep Hillary out of office. I believe that will happen. After all, The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
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The population is to dependent and brainwashed to FIX anything with out an armed insurrection.
The best any candidate could possibly do is slow the slide and you will still see riots and protests.
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Heard a stat this am that only 10% of registered voters voted in the primaries! That, in and of itself, is inexcusable!
The one time your vote actually matters and they stayed home...
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The 90% voted. They voted to destroy this nation by not participating. Apathy! An even worse disease in this nation than the entitled mentality.
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Heard a stat this am that only 10% of registered voters voted in the primaries! That, in and of itself, is inexcusable!
The one time your vote actually matters and they stayed home...
That's BS NH had over 80% turn out.
The highest voter turn out since they've been keeping records.
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That's BS NH had over 80% turn out.
The highest voter turn out since they've been keeping records.
That's one state, Tom..
I said I heard the stat quoted, I've not investigated the validity of the quote..
Further information shows GOP at about 18% and DNC at less than 12%! Still abysmal numbers considering the importance of this election.
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http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/03/08/so-far-turnout-in-this-years-primaries-rivals-2008-record/
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Yea, Tom.
That's where I got the last info I posted.
Overall at 29%.. pathetic
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We were dealt this hand by the RNC, and the media. ALL the media. The RNC allowed Trump to stump as a Republican. Why? They thought he'd implode? Really? So they chose to back different GOPe candidates until they dropped out. They wanted nothing to do with Cruz or Trump until it was too late. WTF?
Conservative radio, and Fox News carried water for Trump.
The rest of the media gave incalculable amounts of FREE airtime to Trump. They chose the candidate that Hillary could beat most easily. That is who we are left with. A candidate the Goddamn media chose for us.
I'm sick and tired of having my candidate chosen for me by parties not interested in my best interest. I have dutifully voted in every election since 1976. I mean every election, township-village-dog warden! I have held my nose and voted for the R even when they weren't the best choice. I have been let down, lied to, and ignored at every turn. AT EVERY LEVEL OF .gov. Hell, I'm not permitted to go to school board meetings anymore, I make the members feel 'uncomfortable'.
My vote has become expected because some candidate has a R by his/her name. NO MORE.
I am no longer a Republican.
James Madison would be double face palming and weeping about what has become of his life's work.
With Trump as the opposition, Hillary will be taking the oath in January of 2017. Whether I vote for him or not.
Hoard guns and ammo, they'll come in handy during the civil war.
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for those that decide to vote for Hillary, might as well re-distribute your guns and ammo amongst the rest of us as you just voted to give them away. you don't deserve them.
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We were dealt this hand by the RNC, and the media. ALL the media. The RNC allowed Trump to stump as a Republican. Why? They thought he'd implode? Really? So they chose to back different GOPe candidates until they dropped out. They wanted nothing to do with Cruz or Trump until it was too late. WTF?
Conservative radio, and Fox News carried water for Trump.
The rest of the media gave incalculable amounts of FREE airtime to Trump. They chose the candidate that Hillary could beat most easily. That is who we are left with. A candidate the Goddamn media chose for us.
I'm sick and tired of having my candidate chosen for me by parties not interested in my best interest. I have dutifully voted in every election since 1976. I mean every election, township-village-dog warden! I have held my nose and voted for the R even when they weren't the best choice. I have been let down, lied to, and ignored at every turn. AT EVERY LEVEL OF .gov. Hell, I'm not permitted to go to school board meetings anymore, I make the members feel 'uncomfortable'.
My vote has become expected because some candidate has a R by his/her name. NO MORE.
I am no longer a Republican.
James Madison would be double face palming and weeping about what has become of his life's work.
With Trump as the opposition, Hillary will be taking the oath in January of 2017. Whether I vote for him or not.
Hoard guns and ammo, they'll come in handy during the civil war.
Bull.
ALL the media did nothing but bad mouth Trump since day 1 .
A candidate finally comes along who isn't another establishment lawyer, career politician,picked by the PEOPLE through the primary process in spite of the GOP establishment and what do we observe ?
Half the so called "conservatives" throwing a whiny temper tantrum like a spoiled 3 year old because they might actually WIN this time.
I'm with Deepwater.
You Trump haters can send your guns to us for a good home since you obviously don't value them.
I would just laugh at you and say you deserved it if your stupidity wasn't going to screw all of the rest of us as well.
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Lots of consternation about Hildebeast and Trump. I preferred Scott Walker before anyone but he let himself get handled by policital consultants I suppose….or just got dumb all of a sudden..really does not matter now. I liked Cruz and Rick Perry and Carson if Carson could hold it together on the 2A. I was good with Huckabee and then Trump brought up the tail end of who I could vote for.
Well, we have a populist election now. I'd rather not have a populist election like the 3rd world but then here we are. Hildebeast & Trump. I can pull the lever for Trump and I think he’s the best choice for prez the Republicans have thrown out for a while…despite the RINO leadership because:
1. Trump is not a proven RINO. We gave R the congress and they laid down with the lion and passed whatever the D wanted whilst filling their own pockets at the expense of the American people.
2. Trump is not an angel but he has some good conservative values. I think he has a morale hole and I’m an evangelical but I like him OK. I am certainly not a Beck whining and no other evangelical’s I know are whining like that either. I believe evangelical’s will be out in force for Trump but the media would have you think otherwise. The news media are socialist/communists with an agenda so who cares what they say...oh, I guess a lot of people did not care. Gee, it looks like their hated Cruz and Trump made it to the end.
3. Trump is not proven to be a Boehnner, McConnell, Cantor (oops, he be gone), RYAN, King, Graham, Cochran, i.e., name your RINO. Wait a minute....that's what I said in 1. above. Gee, I guess I have to reiterate it noting that we sent a bunch of Republicans to Congress & Senate to be conservatives and they turned out to be worse than the Democrats because they sold out. There is a reason enemy soldiers are given quarter and traitors are universally executed....the people get that and that's why Cruz and Trump wound up leading at the end. The news media in part still really does not get the anger across the nation and in part stifle the news because they have a communist/socialist agenda.
4. He is not
- A Bush dynasty member.
- Not last name Kasich
- Not last name Christie.
- Not last name Rubio
- Not last name Graham.
- Not last name "Put your favorite RINO name HERE"
5. The news media hates him...except for laughs. Ooops, laugh is on them so far.
6. He is not another freaking lawyer.
7. Can he dictate and fix it all? Of course not if we are still a constitutional republic...but then look at what Hussein has done....AND THE RINOS ROLLED OVER AND STUCK THEIR BEHINDS IN THE AIR. Oh wait, I did mean to shout but there is definitely no apology offered. The news media does not get this but they are rat bastards so who cares?
8. The Republican establishment is hand wringing and talking about starting a 3rd party now. Great. Don't let the door hit you in the ASS goodbye. I know this, BY THE WAY, because of my CEO and his relationships with the Establishment Republican party, US Senators and Congressmen and his many trips to lobby congressman. Our response to the 3rd party statement, "Good. The f**#r$ are only in it for themselves and they don't give a $()t about the people. Leave as soon as possible we'll help." He was simultaneously amazed and threatened and still can't get it. Fine, see ya'. Oh, by the way, DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU IN THE ASS, GOODBYE.
9. Oh, on the business leader side like above, Trump is not an MBA. Two types we've been enjoying, the Country Club types bringing in illegal lawbreakers to take US jobs and work cheap and the CEO types who send work out of the country. Free trade...hey, I'm good with that in limited application but patriotism sacrificed on the altar of Free Trade to stuff MBA's pockets....screw them. Oh, the news media does not get that either, again who cares?
10. Trump is not an MBA. Wait, I said that above. Well, he's had to fall in line and hire people for the cheap I get that to be competitive. I think he does not like that...could be wrong, but when the cards are stacked against you in business by the government's action or INACTION, then you have to do what you can to stay viable. He's saying the right and politically incorrect thing...let's give him a chance to build that wall. AT LEAST he seems to have some consideration for American families who have left lives and blood on foreign battlefields. Clearly, the MBA/Industrialists don't care as a whole...look at OREO's moved to Mexcio...gee, c'mon and let's not get started about Apple. He want's to make it where money can be moved back into the US...that's a good thing..HEY DUMMY...you pay the taxes when you purchase a product not THE COMPANY. The companies are the builder/providers and the government's TAX COLLECTORS. Gee, use your brain.
11. He's been audited by IRS and it continues. Welcome to our nightmare. I hope he can help us there. No real help from the news media here....I think the news media gets it, as socialists/communists, and realize that you need an enforcer to control the people so the IRS gets a pass and a pat on the back for supporting their (lying leftist/socialist/communist) side.
12. For years we've had the scary baby eating monster versus the establishment Republican. That has worked out so well for us that we got 8 years of a mooslim prez. We've been sold so far down the river by the establishment "conservatives" (ha, BS) you can't even recognize their voting record as conservative as they have had to legislate a luxurious lifestyle that increases with time. Can you not get it you were lied to up front? NOTE: These guys, INCLUDING LOCAL & STATE POLITICIANS, we've been electing have a voting record so stop listening to their manpleasing words and GET OFF YOUR BEHIND and look at their record. Heck, probably every vote they've taken is on the internet but gee, that's too hard for most people especially since they/we may have to confront their/our own selves with being dupes of the slicktalking lying politicians and no one likes to think they can be that dumb.
13. He is petulant. I think that's from his gilded upbringing. Will he blowhard as president...I think he'll have direct out-front statements and politically incorrect leading statements but I doubt he'll fall on a sword of running his mouth for the sake of running his mouth. Despite being a mouthy rich kid, he's managed to hold onto his family fortune and to grow it. He's practical and may use bluster for positioning but me being afraid he'll start WWIII on the basis of a temper tantrum, no way. The real temper tantrums out there are the establishment RINO Republicans putting out this "button pushing WWIII" crap....followed by and reinforced by the news media but then, who cares what a lying commie socialist news reporter says anyway...much less the backstabbing lawyer/MBA type RINO?
14. Maybe he'll direct an investigation of Hillary and her husband. I remember satellite technology going to the ChiComs at the end of Bill's presidency. You don't really think those $100k plus speaking engagements are not to sell influence...do you? And Hillary's server...gee, I think it was there purposely so that foreign nations could access it for intelligence...payback for all of that speaking engagement money and foundation endowment?
I'm just getting started and yes I see the grammar and speling errors. I gotta go to work to keep this job I have despite Hussein's best efforts to crash America.
15. I continue after a few edits above since first posted. To all you RINO establishment leaders out there who told us to "HOLD YOUR NOSE AND VOTE RESPONSIBLY" or you'll get a fearsome baby eating monster as president (hmm, I said this above, but it bears repeating) instead of McCain or Romney, I say to you, "Your turn bitches! Hold your nose and vote to keep the baby eating monster out of the White House". I really need to work on my beside manner....
16. Knowing the RINO's prefer Hillary over Trump as that will keep their party (pronounced par-tay) going and the champagne flowing, it is time to spite them and get an outsider elected who might rain on their parade. Hey, it's worth a shot and better than what we've been offered since 1988...oh yeah, how did that go??? Hmmm, "Read my lips, no new taxes." Gee, that was spoken just down the road a ways from where I was living. I even saw his motorcade streaking up General de Gaulle drive from the NAS in Belle Chase,...hmmmm...that really worked out well for us too....not.
17. And then there is the whole Obamacare thing. Gee, we gave the R's the US Senate & Congress to get rid of that and all they paid was lip service. Wow, thanks for all the hard effort Mr. Boehner and crew. I really find it patriotic and appropriate to stand with your faux efforts to repeal Obamacare and I enjoy paying an extra $10,440 a year more for insurance than I paid three years ago so to support your crying, lying ass. You can count on me standing with you for a donation to the national R party.....NOT. There goes that bedside manner again and I mentioned the R's in the legislature thing at least twice above...sorry for repeating myself.
18. Trump wins and Hillary loses. The win get's attributed to the "gun nuts" and the NRA causing D's everywhere to leave us alone for the remainder of this decade and part of the next. I am down with that.
19. Just to make certain I repeat myself in another way, the RINO's not Trump, and the Democrats not Trump, are fundamentally changing America in lockstep with HUSSEIN Obama. So I would have liked Scott Walker because he has a proven track record of fighting and winning and getting fiscal responsibility legislated...oh well, Trump brought up the rear for me but he's gotta be way ahead of the big government guys the R's wanted in. That would be Bush, Christie, Kasich, Rubio, etc.... Now, let's look at the ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICANS record.....crappy budget that give the D's gleefully all they want and HUSSEIN Obama too. Not one bit of backbone, not one a single set of balls among them except Cruz who pissed them all off...which I liked by the way. Oh, you say, you can't work like that pissing people of...great, you just keep voting the way you do while America is fundamentally changed on your ever shrinking pay and benefits or unemployment or welfare or whatever and listen to the damned ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICANS mantras. We better be pissing off the left and the traitors (that would be the Republicans who said they were conservative but got down on their knees to curry favor and get their double stuffing of pork) or we're all done.
20. Repeating myself in another manner, but how about "them" jobless and social security benefits boys? The ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICANS who have scared us into voting for their faux conservatives (faux is French for fake) and they work with the D's to let illegals in. I said it above, I'll say it again, there are two main veins of RINO's, one is the Country Club types clamoring for illegals to drive wages down and then the MBA CEO types sending manufacturing out of the country. They line their pockets while, lets just point this out one more time, American families who's bloodlines have been cut off short or been damaged by leaving those family's loved ones dead, disfigured or the injured who bled on foreign battlefields receive disrespect and disdain instead of fair job paycheck. Getting back to the point about benefits, the R's vote to allow the D's to stack the voting booths because the R's get to line their pockets and...point first mentioned, they finance it by reducing or ELIMINATING your jobless and social security benefits. Do you not think that SS check you planned on has not been reduced by at least 1/3 to finance the entrance of cheap labor? If you think not then you should be considering psychiatric help because baby, you are in classic psychological denial.
21. Well, lets talk about the cheap labor again that the ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICANS like Bush, Kasich, Christie, Rubio, etc. loved. They allowed these people in to enrich themselves and their buds and fundamentally changed America by stacking the votes with the Democrats. Now your children and grandchildren suffer with schools that are too small for the number of students. Let's not stop there, that was just to get your attention by buying into the obvious....take a look at the entire US infrastructure. Not only are schools overrun, but hospitals (double down with that Obamacare blessing), roads, water infrastructure, power infrastructure and on and on. How is this expansion paid for...YOUR TAXES AND FEES INCREASE.....and then so much of the work goes to the "newbies" while American families get unemployment benefits or reduced pay or reduced work hours and higher taxes (you did notice the taxes/fees, didn't you???). Boy this is working out well....let's put a RINO in instead of Trump for all the scary reasons so they can backstab us yet again and we can show how gullible we are.
22. So you don't want to vote for Trump because he isn't one of the ROYAL ELITIST OK'd by the lying communist news media, leftists, Democrats and Establishment Republicans because he is a scary guy pick your disinformation poison....he will push the button for WWIII, or he'll crash the US economy (what, have you not seen it's already on the ropes?) which by the way means he may stop the Wall Street MBA hedge fund suction and remove some of the Democrat vote buying, or maybe he will cause a race war, or he'll make us less competitive because of his mouth or put your own scary reason right here ___________. Why in the world would you listen to the people who are happy to have you under their thumb as they lift your wallet and steal your children's future???? If you have ever passed on a chain letter or a "chain letter" email shake yourself and realize you have a tendency to be a nervous Nellie and you believe tea leaves can predict the future. Just say no or turn off your TV and internet and drop the daily paper and research voting records and see how the ROYAL ELITES play games getting over on you by changing the rules on how the economy is gauged. We're in a 1977 economy with a 2016 population....have you not noticed? Gee.
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WOW !
Give em hell Rastus !
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I'm with Deepwater, Rastus, and tombogan. Trump is not a politician. I don't like him, but then it doesn't matter if I LIKE him (or at least how MUCH I like him) because I like Hillary even less, by lightyears in fact.
Mainstream GOP has been, and for the most part, continues to be, a feckless bunch of trans-man-babies (just made that up) suckling the teat of the middle class. Now they're afraid the milk line is over.
At this juncture I want nothing more than to keep Hillary out of the white house, and to do that we all have to vote for Trump. End of story. If you don't love your freedom and your guns enough to do that, then spread them around here...we'll put them to good use. I'd enjoy a nice nickel 1911 or PTR or a 3" 686.
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Pat Condell weighs in on not voting in his usual wishy-washy manner. ;D
http://youtu.be/GjYLWadz5Yc
I have no luck getting a link to work inside the YouTube button brackets...sigh.
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Yeah. , with disparaging names I NEVER would have thought of. ;D
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Yeah "malignant progressive consensus of PC numbskulls", "posturing wazzock" and "irresponsible toerag" do have a certain elegance and touch of class to them. :D :D :D
and he was just getting warmed up...
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he definitely does have a way with insults. I like it! being a trashy sailor, I too can get colorful when cussing and insulting those that deserve it, but, I need to take lessons from this guy. :D
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WOW !
Give em hell Rastus !
Nobody has said anything about my avatar change. You guys are making me feel bad by not noticing.
Who can guess what it is?
Oh, and I've modified my listing posted on the last page.
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Bonnie Blue Star flag. Unofficial flag of the Confederacy at the start of the war.
Question: Do you think that video will encourage the #nevertrump crowd to change their minds or dig there heels in deeper?
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Rastus, Ulmas beat me to the "Bonny Blue Flag". LOL Confederate flag the perpetually offended are to ignorant to know about .
Solus, thank you for posting those, I was going to watch it again and take notes since I will probably want to use them in the future.
Deepwater, Like me you may want to listen to Pat Condrell with a pen and paper handy to make notes for future use.
I wonder how old Pat likes Londinastan's new mayor ?
Ulmas, I think some of the NT group will cave, but most are the type of phony A holes we should purge anyway.
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Actually, it traces its origin back before the War of Northern Aggression. It first flew over Baton Rouge in 1810 in the West Florida Republic revolution that threw out the Spanish rulers in Baton Rouge. It's genesis was a dispute over the Louisiana Purchase. In less than a year we were forcibly annexed by the United States.
It is mandated, by Louisiana State Law, to fly over the 8 Florida parishes.
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Is THAT where "West Florida" was ?
I have seen it referenced in the early US expansion and the story about Wilkinson, head of the US Army being a traitor in the pay of Spain, but I never saw a map of it so I just thought it was a reference to the modern panhandle.
One of those obscure, but interesting pieces of local history that isn't generally known, like the New Hampshire land grants, or Green Mountain Republic which was an independent nation from the Revolution till it ratified the constitution. Vermont was never a state under the Articles of confederation, and it was not a separate colony before that.
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This is an interesting twist. Most, if not all, of the GOP primary candidates promised to support the candidate who got the nomination....
And Trump is gonna hold them to their word .....
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/07/trump-accuses-bush-graham-breaking-gop-loyalty-pledge.html?intcmp=hpbt1
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Any body who doesn't vote for Trump proves by their actions that they are an anti gun POS regardless of what their worthless words may be.
http://michaelbane.blogspot.com/
It's either the guy who says guns are a right, or the old bag who promises door to door confiscation.
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Nobody has said anything about my avatar change. You guys are making me feel bad by not noticing.
Who can guess what it is?
Oh, and I've modified my listing posted on the last page.
Heck, I did notice it the day you changed it..... (I'm deep-south rooted, you know ;) ).... I just figured the level of historical knowledge amongst the core members was vast enough to recognize it that I didn't mention it.
I know this is off thread (but when does that stop any of us?), but I've chuckled often at the GA state flag.
If you remember back in the mid 2000's (under Gov. Roy Barnes-who lost re-election because of it) the flag was changed, against heavy public outcry to soothe the irate minority of folks who maintained a butthurt attitude toward the old flag and its "racist historical roots".......
Well, they removed the old flag, which had an image of the state seal in blue next to the Confederate Battle Flag (also used in several versions of the National Flag of the Confederacy). The funny thing is the flag they replaced it with (the current flag) is merely an image of the First National Flag of the Confederacy (the Stars and Bars) with a GA state seal imposed in the center of the circle of stars. ;D
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This is still gonna be close. Keep plan B ready.
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=31364.0 (http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=31364.0)
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Well, we see the RINO's fleeing towards their pocketbooks. Hank Paulson, W's Secretary of Treasury, says he's voting for Hillary. None of his finance buds went to prison for their dirty deeds...he pushed bailing them out.
And, for you dems still out there, what did Obama, Reid, Pelosi, McDermott, Durban, etc. do about it...who went to prison? Do you feel used yet?
Then there is George Will. Good riddance. He was anti-gun the last several decades.
All of the RINO talk and scary language of the past...the so called "big tent" they said they were inviting people to was a big lie all along. Being the globalists they are, they never wanted us anyway. It should now become apparent to everyone the intentions were to maintain the charade of being "conservative" and "American" when at the core they were liars and sellouts. That would be traitors.
Oh yeah, why would Paulson forgo his salary of millions at Goldman as COO and take a government job of less than $200k/year. Executives in the US Government with a conflict are forced to sell their interests however, they do not pay taxes on their sale of stock their gains are fully exempt. So, when Paulson sold his 1/2 billion or so of Goldman stock instead of paying taxes on it he skated....nice, eh? He avoided maybe $200 million in taxes...who in the world thinks that is fair?
Thieves. Thieves all.
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Mychal Massie's view on Trump
Trump: A pragmatist, not a conservative
I stated it was my opinion that Trump is a pragmatist. He sees a problem and understands it must be fixed. He then sets about fixing it. He doesn’t see the problem as liberal or conservative; he sees it only as a problem.
http://www.wnd.com/2016/01/trump-a-pragmatist-not-a-conservative/#!
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So what's your point ?
For practical purposes they are the same thing.
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I see some major divisions for the GOP this election and I wonder how this will work. Are there new voters coming in that the demographics aren't showing or will the GOP unite against Clinton?
Look at who is doing the dividing. It's mostly all the old, washed up Republican establishment. Or else the has been's who never were. The Bush's, Kasich, Romney, McCain, Fiorina, and a few others who are finished in politics.... Or soon will be. So who gives a $h!t what they think or want? Everyone standing at the podiums a year ago for the first debate, made a pledge on national television to support the Republican nominee, regardless of who won. Everyone raised their hand.
Now, Bush, Fiorina, that idiot Rand Paul, and Kasich are all no shows. They all refuse to keep their word. I don't care what you think of Trump, HE IS THE NOMINEE, and deserves and needs EVERYONE'S support. I hope and pray Trump wins. Not only because it gets rid of that worthless, lying b!tch Hillary, and keeps the Supreme Court conservative. But it will also allow Trump to clean house in the Republican Party over the next 4 years, and possibly 8. God only knows, it needs it. I have a good feeling based on what he has accomplished thus far. He has proved everyone wrong, and at the same time gotten more Republican votes than any other candidate. As Willie Robertson said, "How could so many "experts" be so wrong, about so much, for so long"? I believe they will continue to get it wrong right up until election day..... Even if they have to lie through their teeth to do it.
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Ask yourself this. When all of these Republican establishment candidates, who claim to hate, and won't support Trump publically, go into the voting booth. Who's ticket do you honestly believe they will punch? I can guarantee you it won't be Hillary's. And if they don't vote, everyone will know it because they'll all be watched for at their local precincts on election day. If they're a no show, everyone will know, because the media will be all over it like stink on $h!t. Especially Fox. ALL of them will be voting for Trump. The same way we held our nose to vote for McCain and Romney.
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While we're on the subject. Right now John Kasich is the biggest divider and POS in the Republican Party. Here is why. One of the most important states, of not THE most important state Trump has to win is Ohio. If he loses it, it won't be by much. He almost beat Kasich in the Ohio primary.
If he loses it in the general election, and loses the Presidency as a direct result, it will all be on the hands of John Kasich. Kasich should be at this convention all 4 days. Appearing on stage with both Trump and Cruz. And pledging Ohio's support all the way. It would be all Trump needs to push him over the top in Ohio. And the people would respect Kasich for being the bigger man because of it. Instead, he's acting like a total, selfish, ass wipe.
The same goes for that b!tch Fiorina. If she was there speaking for Trump, it would be a compelling cause to get more women to vote for Trump. But again, she's acting like a spoiled, stupid little child. But the most damage will be done by Kasich. I hope and pray Trump can win Ohio without him. But Kasich is being an asshole for not contributing to the Republican cause when they, and Trump, need him the most. You watch how the Democrats will pick up on this at their convention. And the Republicans will look like idiots because of it. All courtesy of John Kasich.
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Bill, they aren't "acting like assholes".
It's no act, it's their true personality.
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Billt, i have to agree with your detailed perspective. At this point, we conservatives simply have no choice except to hold our nose and vote for Trump. I don't like him. I don't trust him. And I don't know what he will do when/if he's elected. And that is key: I don't KNOW what he will do. Perhaps, just perhaps, we WILL get a Supreme Court filled with Constitutional conservatives. Maybe, just maybe, this grand experiment in representative government by the people will survive another few generations. Maybe, just maybe, my grandkids will experience freedom first hand. I don't KNOW.
On the other hand we have Hillary. I do not like her. I do not trust her. But the difference is, I DO KNOW what she will do if/when she is elected. She has demonstrated with every fiber of her being how much she detests the 2nd. Her appointments to the Supreme Court will strip away individual, God-given rights and replace them with "government-granted" and very limited rights. She is amazingly untrustworthy and has taken multiple positions on multiple issues depending on to whom she is speaking. She is definitively pro-big government. She would like to do away with the Constitution in its entirety. She may well be involved in Vince Foster's death. She has amassed millions in donations to the Clinton Foundation while selling out to those who would harm this nation. And I could go on and on...
It comes down to this: There really isn't any choice. If you want to remain America in anything but name only, you have to vote for Trump. He wasn't my first choice in the primaries (in fact, he was just edged out by Bush as my last choice) but he is the nominee. To not vote for him is tantamount to casting a vote for Hillary. And that, my friends, is a big F-You to the America I fought for, the America I still love.
And Bill, you are absolutely spot on when it comes to Kasich. The SOB is a liar, a piss-ant, a petulant little sh!t who deserves to be absolutely forgotten by history.
FWIW,
Crusader Rabbit
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Bill, they aren't "acting like assholes".
It's no act, it's their true personality.
DING!!!!
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Ask yourself this. When all of these Republican establishment candidates, who claim to hate, and won't support Trump publically, go into the voting booth. Who's ticket do you honestly believe they will punch? I can guarantee you it won't be Hillary's. And if they don't vote, everyone will know it because they'll all be watched for at their local precincts on election day. If they're a no show, everyone will know, because the media will be all over it like stink on $h!t. Especially Fox. ALL of them will be voting for Trump. The same way we held our nose to vote for McCain and Romney.
I think some of the establishment candidates will vote for Hillary. They are greedy you know what's who were Republicans of convenience when they acted exactly like Democrats for everything but maybe the gun vote...and they did that out of self-preservation. Go back up to my post about George will and Hank Paulson....gee I wish I had been given a half billion in stock grants that I could sell and not pay income tax on them...half billion..tax free income. Now Paulson says vote for Hillary.
The rich boys club sees their tit drying up so I won't be surprised to see some of them jump ship to the Dems if the RINO's continue to be crowded out.
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All you #nevertrump idiots go ahead and vote for some chump like Gary Johnson.
When your state bans AR's and any thing that can use any AR parts, like Mass did yesterday, don't let me hear you whining.
I will rudely, and insultingly remind you that it's your own fault.
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All you #nevertrump idiots go ahead and vote for some chump like Gary Johnson.
When your state bans AR's and any thing that can use any AR parts, like Mass did yesterday, don't let me hear you whining.
I will rudely, and insultingly remind you that it's your own fault.
+100 !!
I've never understood the logic of people doing this stupid $h!t. Yet every election it's the same damn thing. They claim they want to, "Make a statement". To who? That's got to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Every election cycle you hear from these idiots just how much they hate the, "status quo". Then a guy like Trump comes along, and they still won't vote for him. The Democrats are united. It's why they can keep running fools like Obama and Clinton, and still be a viable threat to win elections. That, and voter turnout, because lazy Republicans are too busy whining. Or else stay home. Or waste their time voting for idiots that won't get 2% of the vote. It's insane. Yet every election they show up to engage in this type of complete political lunacy.
If every white registered Republican turned out and voted for Trump, he would win in the biggest landslide in political history. But these idiots are too busy complaining. Last night Cruz was fighting for the rank of king a$$hole over Kasich. He may have won. They could both be a tag team for political idiot of the year. If you're going to give a speech, and not endorse the winning candidate, why give it? All he did was make an ass out of himself. If Trump wins, Cruz's political career is over. And most likely even if he doesn't win. All he accomplished last night was to smear $h!t all over himself. His wife had to be escorted out of the building by security. The people were ready to hang her.
If Hillary wins, it won't be because she won the election. It will be because the Republicans lost it..... Again. And Tom, what exactly did Mass. Ban???
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http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/massachusetts-attorney-general-bans-copycat-assault-weapons/
Under Healey’s notice, a weapon is a copy or duplicate if its internal operating system is largely the same as those of a specifically banned weapon. The gun also is considered a copy or duplicate if key parts are interchangeable with those of a banned weapon.
Gun dealers with existing stock will have to sell them to dealers out of state.
Most of these "3rd party's" are funded by the DNC especially the libertarians since the only ones to lose votes to them are Republicans. The technical name is Strawman".
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HONESTLY, WHY WOULD ANYONE VOTE FOR TRUMP?
"I am a Trump supporter for several reasons. I believe that our country is at a critical tipping point and we don’t have another presidential term to figure this out."
https://josephbotts.com/2016/05/24/honestly-why-would-anyone-vote-for-trump/
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I have said it before and I'll say it again. The time for pushing hard for "Your guy" was way back when there were 16 Rs running for the spot...or 12, or 8, or 4. NOW is not the time to bitch and whine about what a jackass Trump is.
If you really are thinking of not voting for Trump, consider this: It was a joke when he announced. The whole country was laughing. The media hated him and overexposed him just to make the R party look stupid. The whole country hates him, MSM, Dems, Reps, almost everyone, but somehow he won. However big a d-bag he is, he KNOWS HOW TO GET STUFF DONE. So what if we're not sure what he'll do in office? When was the last candidate elected who went in a did what he said? They all change as soon as they get in. So what if he has many undesireable traits...which one hasn't?
One more thing...REAL stupid math. If you don't get this you should use your fingers on your left hand to count out that many rounds, stick them in your snubby, and turn it on yourself because you are THAT F-ing STUPID. If you don't vote for Trump or you vote for someone other than Trump, you are voting for Hillary. Hillary bad- scumbag crooked gangster who has already declared WAR on the NRA. Trump, not sure if bad or ok- that is LESS bad than Hillary. That's our only choice. Vote for Trump or take the gas pipe.
God, in Heaven, why are people of the gun still talking about this?
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HONESTLY, WHY WOULD ANYONE VOTE FOR TRUMP?
If there is anyone out there who is actually STUPID ENOUGH to ask such a ridiculous question, they have absolutely no business what so ever voting.
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HONESTLY, WHY WOULD ANYONE VOTE FOR TRUMP?
Well, let's see. Right off the top of my head, here are 31 reasons:
1.) Not a single month with over 3% GDP growth. Yet every economimc expert cited we needed contiguous 4-5% gains to recover
2.) First credit downgrade in history
3.) Snowden
4.) IRS scandals
5.) Secret Service Sandals
6.) VA disaster
7.) Hillary's email disaster
8.) Hillary's absolutely deplorable tour as S.O.S.
9.) Worse GDP to debt ratio in history
10.) Law enforcement being assaulted and assassinated in record numbers
11.) Military the weakest it's ever been
12.) Worst foriegn policy on record
13.) Federal Reserve leveraged 77 to 1 (the day Bush left office it was 29 to 1, in 1929 it was 16 to 1)
14.) Stagnant economy, being choked by High taxes, Over-regulation and the ACA
15.) Record levels of Medicare/Medicaid fraud
16.) Record levels of welfare dependency
17.) Heroin coming across our southern border now called the worst drug epidemic in history
18.) Record levels of black on black violence
19.) ISIS
20.) Corrupt Clinton foundation under investigation now
21.) Corrupt and bought and paid for AG
22.) Broken and ineffective FBI
23.) No gains in Education, we actually fell 3 more places under Obama and are now under Poland
24.) Lowest work force partipation numbers in over 50 years
25.) Race relations rolled back over 50 years
26.) Egypt / Arab Spring
27.) Saudi Arabia
28.) Syria
29.) Libya / Benghazi
30.) Turkey
31.) Russia
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If there is anyone out there who is actually STUPID ENOUGH to ask such a ridiculous question, they have absolutely no business what so ever voting.
I take it you agree with the article, Bill?
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HONESTLY, WHY WOULD ANYONE VOTE FOR TRUMP?
"I am a Trump supporter for several reasons. I believe that our country is at a critical tipping point and we don’t have another presidential term to figure this out."
https://josephbotts.com/2016/05/24/honestly-why-would-anyone-vote-for-trump/
Like Sonny and Cher said. "And the beat goes on"!
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I take it you agree with the article, Bill?
The article is fine. The problem is far too many think like the title.
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I picked up on something listening to the big date between Hillary and Tim yesterday:
Hillary went on and on about Trump's comment that he is the only one that can fix our problems. Sounds arrogant I agree. However, this is out of context! He was comparing himself to others running for President and the qualifications of each of them, not that he would be a Lone Ranger or dictator.
This is where Hillary took the next step movement of putting her $5,000 shoe in her mouth. She had just finished talking about how strong and brave Tim was, and how he stood up to everybody and used his Executive Order to get things done when no one else would. She continued to talk about how Trump would be a dictator and anti-democracy for being a one man show, and doing it all alone.
Wait a minute! The DNC is relying on Pres. BHO and his Executive Orders, she just praised Tim for his use of Executive Order, and she says that Trump would be a dictator ???
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I picked up on something listening to the big date between Hillary and Tim yesterday:
Hillary went on and on about Trump's comment that he is the only one that can fix our problems. Sounds arrogant I agree. However, this is out of context! He was comparing himself to others running for President and the qualifications of each of them, not that he would be a Lone Ranger or dictator.
This is where Hillary took the next step movement of putting her $5,000 shoe in her mouth. She had just finished talking about how strong and brave Tim was, and how he stood up to everybody and used his Executive Order to get things done when no one else would. She continued to talk about how Trump would be a dictator and anti-democracy for being a one man show, and doing it all alone.
Wait a minute! The DNC is relying on Pres. BHO and his Executive Orders, she just praised Tim for his use of Executive Order, and she says that Trump would be a dictator ???
And then, you can take all of that and salt it over with the fact they have banned their party chairwoman, (Debbie Wasserman Shultz), from even speaking at their own convention! The highest ranking Democrat won't be given the microphone. All because of the whole E-Mail scandal. (That's E-Mail scandal #2 for the Dems). What does that tell you? And then there is the problem with the 40,000+ people who are prepared to march in protest of Clinton, along with how the Dems have treated Sanders.
I wouldn't be surprised to see several Bernie supporters move to Trumps corner, after Hillary and the Dems have $h!t all over them. And they thought the Republicans were going to have trouble at their convention. It was like a Monastery Retreat compared to this turd fest. This whole thing may end up in a fist fight before it's over. You can't make up $h!t like this!
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It's worse than I thought. Now they've kicked her ass out for good. What a disaster!
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/24/wasserman-schultz-to-step-down-as-dnc-chairwoman-amid-email-scandal.html
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I picked up on something listening to the big date between Hillary and Tim yesterday:
I think it was the same venue when Tim says, "You can count on Hillary to be there when you need her."
I threw up, and not just in my mouth, thinking about Amb. Stevens and how HRC was there for him... NOT.
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I think it was the same venue when Tim says, "You can count on Hillary to be there when you need her."
I threw up, and not just in my mouth, thinking about how Amb. Stevens and how HRC was there for him... NOT.
It sure was!
I started making a list of those who have counted on her and now get flowers above their heads at the end of May each year.
A comment was made about Trump's values. They (not Hillary) pointed to his children and stated "you can't fake good kids. The kids talked about working their way up from the bottom, doing the most low of low for a wage, learning trades like all the other workers, and fighting to make their way. I don't know all the details, but a billionaire who could hand his children anything they ever dreamed of who has a daughter who designs and markets clothes that are affordable - a $135 dollar (retail) that she can wear when introducing her father as a candidate for President of the United States. Hillary wants to compare this to her daughter who lives a fantasy life, in an arranged marriage, and a nearly seven figure salary for a feel good foundation days after graduating from college.
This is going to be a long ugly and painful battle where we need people who have a basic ability to read, listen, and comprehend. There are a lot of sound bites and half stories being tossed already, and the bare assed sheeple, with their heads in the sand and tender areas exposed, are getting sucked deeper and deeper every day.
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A dream come true is Sanders gets so pissed off as these degrading E-Mails keep emerging, that he withdraws his support for the Hildabeast, and runs as an Independent. That automatically gives the keys to the White House to Trump. He's got absolutely nothing to lose. Or else he can train wreck the entire election, walk away, and give it to Trump. No better way to get back at that sinister b!tch.
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No better way to get back at that sinister b!tch.
Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus. I fell uplifted right now.
GO, Bernie, GO.
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Just had CNN on as I pack the truck up for an early departure this evening, and the DFL is quaking over a possible Cruz like speech or even worse. It is nice to see them shaking in fear rather than lecturing about how superior and well organized they are than us common ignorant folk.
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I dream of Bernie splitting he party.
That's how Lincoln became the first Republican president.
It's why I keep saying voting 3rd party is for chumps and traitors.
The only purpose for the election would be to see just HOW badly the dems get beat, becuase a Trump victory would be assured.
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I dream of Bernie splitting he party.
That will never happen. And it is precisely the reason why I have changed my position. I woke up and looked at facts, instead of buying into all of this bull$h!t. As much as it pains me to say this, this whole thread is why we're going to lose this election..... Yet again. "To Vote For Trump, Or Not To Vote". The Democrats do not question the integrity, honesty, or even the ability of their candidate. They vote for him or her no matter what. No matter how dishonest. No matter how unqualified. No matter how poor of a job they've done in the past. None of it matters in the least. On election day they will vote for them.
Now look at the Republicans. In every election they pick apart their own guy, as bad or worse than the opposition does. You still have a slew of important Republicans that are against Trump. As well as a lot of voters. They are their own worst enemy. They somehow think a Presidential election is some type of political smorgasbord. Or else they just stay home. They did it with McCain. They did it with Romney. Now they're doing it with Trump. It's ridiculous. The Dems could run anyone, and they would win against this kind of political insanity. Even if the Democratic voters don't like the candidate, they always hate the Republican more, and will stand in the pouring rain to vote for the Democrat. Regardless of who it is.
I have lost any and all faith in the Republicans because of this. Hillary is going to win. And she is going to win HUGE. The reason? Political loyalty supersedes political intelligence. Any time, all the time. You've got countless election results that prove it beyond a doubt. The Republican districts are shrinking, while the Democratic base is constantly expanding. Regardless of how badly the Democrats perform. Look at Detroit and Chicago if you need proof. Think of it as war. When is the last time someone won a war by "holding their ground"? If you don't advance your position, YOU WILL LOSE. All the Republicans do is politically walk backwards.
Democrats are loyal to their candidate. If Hillary dropped dead today. And they brought Joe Biden out of mothballs, HE WOULD BEAT TRUMP. Because it would not change a single Democratic vote. He wouldn't lose a single one. Until the dumb ass Republicans realize this, they will never win another Presidential election. An idiots vote counts just as much as the most politically astute voter on Earth. The Republicans STILL have not figured out this is a numbers game. Democrats are not "winning" these elections. The Republicans are throwing them away.
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And for those of you that still may be doubting any of this. Just look at what Hillary did to Bernie Sanders. There is zero doubt Hillary, along with Wasserman Shultz and the rest of the Democratic leadership, politically conspired to destroy him. And they did. Did it matter in the least? Not one bit. Every Sanders voter, including Sanders himself, will now line up to vote for her. If that doesn't represent political loyalty, I don't know what the hell does.
Now, in contrast look at Cruz. He publically all but admitted at the convention he won't support Trump. As a result there is little doubt many of his supporters will stay home. The Republicans are far too stupid to turn this type of thinking around. That they've more than proven in election after election. And they'll do it yet again this time. A house divided against itself cannot stand. The Republicans prove this every election cycle. They just never learn this simple lesson.
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I don't know any Cruz supporters who are staying home. All of the ones I know are voting for Trump and are amped up to keep Hillary out.
As an aside, the news media and dims may be overplaying their hand to destroy Trump too early.
And...yes I agree with you Bill about the Repubs picking each other apart. However, I think it is more related to a lot of Repubs are really Democrats from conservative districts masquerading as Repubs to get elected. Maybe we're cleaning house a bit.
The fear of losing seats in Congress and Senate to Dems isn't such a fear if you believe, as I, that many of the Repubs which voted to the left were really wolves in sheep's clothing...I think that should be obvious now.
So we're really worse off than we thought we were. Cleaning house isn't a bad thing because what we had was not working.
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I don't know any Cruz supporters who are staying home. All of the ones I know are voting for Trump and are amped up to keep Hillary out. As an aside, the news media and dims may be overplaying their hand to destroy Trump too early.
I hope you are right. And there is nothing more than I would like than to have to eat my words the day after the election. However, I doubt that will be the case. There are just too many idiots lined up to vote for her. While the "Dump Trump" Republicans are still trying to figure out which no name moron to vote for this time. Perhaps they can dig Ron Paul out of mothballs again. He'll be good for another 7% of the Republican vote.
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Yet another example of complete Republican stupidity. As I said, they'll never learn.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/13/first-timer-nehlen-couldnt-ouster-ryan-but-vows-to-keep-fighting.html
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Ron Paul ? Are you kidding ?
Better McCain or Romney, at least THEY got enough support toactually win some primaries.
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If we don't gain control of the nation's educational system soon it won't matter.
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If we don't gain control of the nation's educational system soon it won't matter.
To late.
It took the Leftists 50 years to get full control, and they have had it for 30 years, it would take at least 2 years to undo their brain washing.
Lenin and Stalin both said "Give us the children for 8 years and they will be communist for life"
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Yes but that was before Pokémon Go.
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If we don't gain control of the nation's educational system soon it won't matter.
To late.
It took the Leftists 50 years to get full control, and they have had it for 30 years, it would take at least 2 years to undo their brain washing.
Lenin and Stalin both said "Give us the children for 8 years and they will be communist for life"
Tom is exactly right. It's far too late to reshape the nations communist public education system. Our schools and colleges are packed full of union, card carrying communist teachers. Many of whom cannot be fired because of Tenure. They are there for life. They have had decades to set up a system that is giving our young minds a total saturation of communism. And it's all working.
We sit and wonder how today's kids could all be so stupid, and lack any and all common sense. It's directly because these "teachers" have ceased being teachers, and have all become indoctrinators. These kids are not "educated", they're programmed. They have been taught what to think, and not how to think. These teachers and professors teach them not to question the socialist form of government. Just accept it. And they do.
If a student's family is paying well into 6 figures for them to receive a college degree from a Ivy League university, they know getting good grades is paramount. They won't get them if they buck the Professors viewpoint. They have to, "go along to get along". And they exist in this communist environment from the get go. Day in and day out. After 4 years of college they've been exposed to this constant programming for 16 years. They started at age 5 in Kindergarten. It can't help but warp their minds into good little socialists / communists.
Remember those young kids in school chanting and singing about Obama? What is any different in what they were doing, than what was going on in the Soviet Union in the 50's and 60's? Or what Hitler was doing in Nazi Germany in the late 30's in his youth camps? Nothing. It's all one in the same. Now you tell me what these kids are all like now? Now imagine when they get to voting age in a couple of years. Do you think a single one of them will be voting Republican? This battle was lost years ago. And again, it's why Hillary will win, and win HUGE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtGrp5MbzAI
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Agree with all Bill said except about Hillary winning. Ain't gonna happen.
To many scandals.
She will probably live through the election, but with her blood clots and seizures even that isn't for sure.
The only reason the old bag even ot into the race was because the DNC knew 4 years ago that they had no chance of 2 consecutive administrations.
Hillary and Bernie are just throw away candidates so they don't burn some one who might actually win in an unwinnable race.
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Agree with all Bill said except about Hillary winning. Ain't gonna happen.
To many scandals.
She will probably live through the election, but with her blood clots and seizures even that isn't for sure.
The only reason the old bag even ot into the race was because the DNC knew 4 years ago that they had no chance of 2 consecutive administrations.
Hillary and Bernie are just throw away candidates so they don't burn some one who might actually win in an unwinnable race.
Tom, I want to believe every word you have said. And I hope and pray the morning after the election you will revive this thread, and post..... I TOLD YOU SO! Nothing would make me happier.
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Something to remember,Trump has so many supporters showing up at his rallies that they have to turn them away, clinton can barely get a couple hundred to show up at hers. Hopefully the voter turnout will look the same.
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Something to remember,Trump has so many supporters showing up at his rallies that they have to turn them away, clinton can barely get a couple hundred to show up at hers. Hopefully the voter turnout will look the same.
Exactly.....
Voter turn out is key.....all the folks who say they support Trump MUST follow through and VOTE.
Posting political memes on the Book of Face won't cut it in November.
(DRTV company excluded....I know you guys will vote)
I hope and pray that there are a lot of 'closet Trumpers' out there.....you know, the folks who posture for friends and family and say they'll never vote for that "pompous windbag"...but when the day comes, in the privacy of the voting booth, they do what they know they have to do to keep another socialist out of office.
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Something to remember,Trump has so many supporters showing up at his rallies that they have to turn them away, clinton can barely get a couple hundred to show up at hers. Hopefully the voter turnout will look the same.
And boy the media is really covering this aspect well isn't it.
If she were to croak right now what would happen at election time? Who would the Dems put in as their candidate? Who would be the vice president candidate?
What do you all think?
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Either Biden, or Warren, or both as a team.
Hillary, at some venues, has had to bus in school kids to make it look like people support her.
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The democrat party is now paying actors to sit in at her speeches. Fox news showed where the people running the polls were polling 65 or 75 percent liberal democrats not all voters. If she is only leading by that margin with the polls slanted that way. She is going to get crushed and when she does it wont be good. I think Barry will say voter fraud and suspend the election until his FBI agents get to the bottom of this and when people get pissed martial law.
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Just a figure of speech.
Satan would be a is the perfect Democrat.
Had to fix that.
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Had to fix that.
When did we start calling (Hillary) her that.
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Just reflecting on something Tom said on the 27th of April.
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I'm sure I'm not interrupting the circle-erk here by pointing out Trumps willingness to institute "Stop and frisk", nationwide, and his agreement with Hillary on the No-Fly List...
Carry on.. My defiance of your Trump-trance welcomes anything you wish to do to me.. Make sure you sign your will and life insurance before you come...
Libertarians lost all cred with me, Tom... You're welcome to him... Maybe you just want a reach-around. Maybe you'll get one..
Michael, I'm sure you're in agreement with Trump.. As you continue to puck conservatives, don't be surprised when your lobby is somewhat smaller, our having been shown the door and all...
To those of the Word, I got nothing for you.. The answer is in your hands.. Let go of your pud and read it..
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So You're a dyed in the wool Hillary supporter?
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I'm sure I'm not interrupting the circle-erk here by pointing out Trumps willingness to institute "Stop and frisk", nationwide, and his agreement with Hillary on the No-Fly List...
Carry on.. My defiance of your Trump-trance welcomes anything you wish to do to me.. Make sure you sign your will and life insurance before you come...
Libertarians lost all cred with me, Tom... You're welcome to him... Maybe you just want a reach-around. Maybe you'll get one..
Michael, I'm sure you're in agreement with Trump.. As you continue to puck conservatives, don't be surprised when your lobby is somewhat smaller, our having been shown the door and all...
To those of the Word, I got nothing for you.. The answer is in your hands.. Let go of your pud and read it..
Hillary supports confiscation, your great libertarian has no policy, while Trump supports National concealed carry.
Any other vote but Trump is just plain stupid.
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Any other vote but Trump is just plain stupid.
And anyone voting for anyone else should be shot, their bodies bulldozed into mass graves, doused with Kerosene, and burned beyond recognition. Enough is enough. A liberal, anti gun progressive has less usefulness than a log cabin full of termites.
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Hey Bill, I could probably find Farben's formula for Zyclon B if you want it. LOL.
Save ammo that way.
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A secular progressive liberal in the United States today, is as or more dangerous than the Nazi's were to Germany in the late 30's and 40's.
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A secular progressive liberal in the United States today, is as or more dangerous than the Nazi's were to Germany in the late 30's and 40's.
I agree.
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The Nazi's established law and order after the chaos of the Wiemar years.
The Dems are working in the other direction.
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I listened to the debate on the radio. I have never done that, but it was amazing to listen and not be distracted by the camera images. And yes, I did pick up on the heavy sniffling of Trump (Thought maybe he has a head cold) and listening to Clinton's chirps, clicks, and squeaks. I was also amazed to be able to tune it in and not lose it for the entire 90 minutes as I screamed from the Illinois/Wisconsin boarder toward Minnesota.
Trump did say he supported "No Fly and Terrorist" list as no buy, but he also said that the way you go on and get off the list must change. Pay attention folks! He also addressed that fact that stop and frisk worked. A fact that cannot be disputed. Many say it was stopped because it was unConstitutional. I have looked at that before, because it has been a subject of many debates. The case was never settled. It was dropped with mayoral change. True name is actually "Stop, Question, Frisk." The frisk portion does not come into play unless the question portion warrants it. And, yes, it is profiling, but that is what all law enforcement work is. If you have a problem with getting questioned, maybe you should quit imitating criminals, or work to clean up your community.
Quit listening only to the sound bite! Listen to the entire statement before you decide what the person is saying!
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I like what Joe Arpaio said on a radio talk show here in Phoenix a while back. When he was asked about being accused of, "profiling" Hispanics. He said, "I'm looking for illegal Mexicans. Why would I stop and question blond haired Swede's?"
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Hey. We never closed the loop on this after the election.
Our fears were nearly realized in the election but Trump persevered.
Now we see how real our fears were with the weaponization of the FBI, IRS and Justice Dept. in general.
And now that lying POS that was....BHO....is back rattling cages trying to redefine history.
We need to get the vote out for the midterms more than ever before so the swamp/socialists/communists/progressives can't rein in Trump.
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I'm not sure by how many, but the Democratic voting rolls will have increased since 2016. Anyone know off hand how many folks have died since then? :)
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I'm not sure by how many, but the Democratic voting rolls will have increased since 2016. Anyone know off hand how many folks have died since then? :)
Or have come to this country illegally and now are registered to vote. THANK YOU CALIFORNIA! NOT!
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They don't even have to register. Just show up with a driver's license....which doesn't identify citizenship.
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Any other vote but Trump is just plain stupid.
True then. True today.
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It's no longer about Trump or Biden. It's capitalism or communism.
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If Trump loses, we have put in motion the United States becoming Democratic Socialist nation. However, from all I have read about the difference between Democratic Socialism and Communism, we will evolve into a Communist nation if we don't fight to maintain, or, if we screw it up next month, fight to restore our freedoms.
Taxation to create equality, government owned and/or controlled healthcare, free healthcare, expansion of free education, nationalization of energy, encourage free enterprise but tax or breakup if too successful, support of trade unions and minimum wage/benefit, and increasing taxes on wealth or growth to redistribute. Does this list of Socialist structure sound familiar?
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If Trump loses they deserve what comes next.
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If Trump loses they deserve what comes next.
Tom, what's your prediction this time?
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60/40 Trump record landslide,
Democrat instant shit hemorrhage.
If the media try to claim he lost no one will believe it and all bets are off after that.
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Exactly.
1. Trump Landslide
2. Democratic governors find enough mail in votes to queer the election 4-6 weeks later.
3. John Roberts throws in with the democrats (However Ginsberg kicking the bucket kinda boogered this up).
4. All hell breaks loose.
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Exactly.
1. Trump Landslide
2. Democratic governors find enough mail in votes to queer the election 4-6 weeks later.
3. John Roberts throws in with the democrats (However Ginsberg kicking the bucket kinda boogered this up).
4. All hell breaks loose.
If it's a landslide, it's not going to matter. Whoever gets to 270 first, is in. Once Trump accomplishes that, they can show up with a container vessel full of ballots a month later, and it won't matter. There is no way both candidates can get 270 Electoral Votes. That's the beauty of the Electoral College. And it's the exact reason why the far left communists want rid of the system.
Hillary had more popular votes in 2016, but it didn't matter because Trump held the Electoral College. I suspect it will be the same this time..... At least it will when all the phony ballots start showing up everywhere, and they all start screaming.
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Actually Bill , both candidates can and have both gotten 270 EC votes.
It was decided by Congress.
https://www.history.com/news/presidential-elections-tie-electoral-college
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"The Electoral College consists of 538 electors, and an absolute majority of electoral votes, 270 or more, is required to win the election."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College
Was this ever different? I don't know, that's why I'm asking. 538 Total Electoral Votes Available - 270 Needed To Win = 268 Left Over. So whoever candidate get to 270 or over first, has it. Simply because there aren't enough votes left. So if either one gets to 270 first, it would theoretically be impossible to have a tie after that.
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As for the Electoral College: This was put in place to avoid this BS, and it is to discrimination by simple majority rule. The left points out that with modern education, mobility and communication, the Electoral College is outdated and actually a hindrance to our nation. I say that today it is needed more than ever. With the urban metro centers growing ever larger and rural areas bleeding population, without the EC people with no idea what life outside of the concrete jungle/ghetto would rule the the majority of the nation from their small islands.
In talking to a few investment advisors, there is a universal agreement within the financial world. Trump or Biden does not have an affect on investments. What would destroy the economy is 1. An election that is not settled and drags out through the courts; 2. An election that is determined by the House; and 3. A single party, either one, in all three - President, House, Senate.
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As with anything else pertaining to the Constitution, The Federalist Papers goes into brain numbing repetitive detail on how the Electoral Collage is intended to prevent the country being run by NY specifically, and the other high population states in general.
Do you want the country run by NY and Cal ?
Protect the EC.
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The thing lost over the last two and a half centuries is that we are not a simple single nation. We are a union of 50 states. Each state is equal within the Union. Hence, two Senators per state, and Electoral College to chose the president. Sadly many, both privately but also in public office, are trying to derail that system ... dismantle and eliminate that protection. To make it worse, individual states are working to turn their electoral delegates into a mirror of the national vote. Rather than represent their state with a winner and loser, they are splitting their votes to give to both, and some want to send their delegates to cast votes, either split or unanimous, for the majority of the full national count.
It is people living in downtown Billings, MT, suburban Minneapolis, MN, Denver, CO, and lakeside Duluth, MN, who think that they are the same as a person living in New York City, Los Angeles or Seattle demanding and doing this to us.
Forget the cartoons of Pres. DJT with a rack cleaning up the forest. That is what you get when people make rules and laws about ecosystems that don't understand the benefits of natural fire. We suppress fire, we refuse to do controlled burns, we don't use managed logging where natural fires aren't allowed. Why, because someone living on the 105th floor of a skyscraper and has never spent more than 12 hours in a forest is afraid the ash will pollute, or a bird might die, or we will never see that tract of land the same in our lifetime. People with history in these areas realize that change is good, and change is necessary for health. We must destroy to renew. The reverse would be true if Montana tried to rule the Los Angeles Basin with their lifestyle and knowledge.
Rant suspended for now, but look out, it is coming again.
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The 2 most important letters in the history of the Republic are "S", and "E".
That's the difference between The United States, and THESE United States, which is how it was known for the first 100 years.
One is an voluntary association of independent entities.
The other is a single unit answering to a single leadership.
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I have lived in both big cities and in rural america. Unfortunately, both sides can not understand where the other side is coming from on most issues. It is compounded by many on both sides trying to say whats best for the other. Its not a high percentage, but they are the most vocal about it. What we really need is to have the vocal minority to stfu, so that adults that understand there are differences between the 2 groups can get toegther and actually have rational conversation about why they want/ need things to be a certain way.
Sadly, in todays political environment that will never happen.
For the last 20 years, i have driven trucks, some small, some large, some max legal size/ weight. I dont expect an office worker to understand why i need a f450, flat bed. That being said, i totally understand why they have a honda civic. They dont need the capacity, they can fit in parking places i could only dream of and fill up once or twice a month. The difference between me and the vocal minority is i am willing to sit down and listen to them why they dont need a big truck. The rub is that the vocal minority so taints the pool with hatred and fear mongering that it pollutes the rest of the pool. Making meaningful conversations impoissble. I have always said, i wilk listen to any ones political "imo" as long as they have it apply to them first and are willing to listen to mine. The issuse is most are not willing to do one or both of those things.
Ps, not this does not apply to more emotional issuses like gun control, abortion and the like. Yes, gun control is 100% emotional as it is " save the children" type stuff, but in the end does nothing to stop actual crime. Logic, rationality and reason does not apply to emotions. That being said, the ones that are willing to listen to the " other side" at worst can become " more informed" about the issue, at best have thier "imo" changed. The real issue is ignorance.
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Compromise is for fools and losers. No good idea is improved by allowing traitors and fools to have input .
There is no excuse for continuing with bad ideas just because their consequences have been lessened.
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Compromise is for fools and losers. No good idea is improved by allowing traitors and fools to have input .
There is no excuse for continuing with bad ideas just because their consequences have been lessened.
Over the past couple years I have been representing a group that owns a private drainage ditch through farmland. This ditch was built in 1962 under the organization and leadership of my father-in-law. He taught me about it, and we worked together in working with all of the easement holders. When he died the active members laid it on me to carry on.
I spent many hours with attorneys on this. Their advise was for us to come to a plan, and make it work with those infringing on our private system. They were all in agreement that we would not be able to return it to its original structure, but we could protect our rights. They advised how we could force them to reimburse for our expenses almost 60 years ago, and they could be required to cover all expenses to upgrade the system to handle their additional flow.
Hear is the point: I was advised to never compromise, and not to use that word. We had the deeds and easements on our side, and we had the history of attempting to follow the easements. EVERYTHING was to be aimed at those documents and history, and any changes made were to be done with our approval, full compensation to us for the changes, and that the changes ONLY maintained our current status or improved it.
When you compromise, nobody wins, and everybody is unhappy.
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Compromise is for fools and losers. No good idea is improved by allowing traitors and fools to have input .
There is no excuse for continuing with bad ideas just because their consequences have been lessened.
when its compromise or lose everything. You are bette r off compromising.
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Your telling that to some one who walked away from 40 years of life over a matter of principle.
I've always been an "All or Nothing" sort of person.
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Your telling that to some one who walked away from 40 years of life over a matter of principle.
I've always been an "All or Nothing" sort of person.
i agree lots of things are black and white. That being said, having spent the better part of 20 years dealing with the government. You have to compromise, its better for them too use lube, than stick it in dry.
Funny, every time i put my foot down with the .gov. some lawyer loses thier licsense/ suspended, but magicly never gets fired.
I swear i dont gp out of my way to find these people. I just attract them some how. I even had a firend send me some biz cards that say " professional thrid party employee trainer" on them. It is something i am very good, i have tons of exp with it.
If the coast guard tuaght me anything its give the chain of command 1 chance, then go as high up the food chain you can go. Stand back and watch thr fire works. It does not matter if they are in the same chain of command or not. No co likes a call from another department asking why thier department is bugging him. I may or may not have had a DRML ( rear admiral lower half) in my back pocket. Its not what you know, its who you know. Even better when he was in charge of the inter branch sprot teams and you were the 1st person to pin every other miltarys branchs wrestlers in the 1st round in a tournament.
;D
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My working theory has always been I can do any damned thing I can arrange the paperwork for,
and lawyers are not there to tell you what you can and can't do, but to explain how to do as you please with out going to jail.
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There are some things that are varying shades of gray, but there are also black and white.
When I start talking politics with people I explain that I am not a party line person. I actually test out as a Libertarian, and in following those in office it is confirmed. I stand firm that everyone needs to look at the issues and rate them against their own philosophy: What are the likes and dislikes, what are important and not so important, and what are the drop dead issues (you can't have more than one of these, so you need to look at is as a class or items).
To me a drop dead issue is make or break, and I won't cross the line on it. Important is almost as strong, but if I am going to accept compromise I do it in who I chose, not how I will expect them to give away, and likes and dislikes are frills that don't really matter - Colored lights decorating the White House, brown shoes with black suit, number of flags on the stage or a flag pin on the lapel.
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My philosophy is to never, ever vote for a democrat, never!
That party has never represented my thought process and never will!
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My philosophy is to never, ever vote for a democrat, never!
That party has never represented my thought process and never will!
Yeah, what Timothy said.
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Every time I read about any form of historic scum baggery it always starts with people democrats adore.
They claim to hate Hitler but they copy his methods to the letter. Including the anti-Semitic hatred of Israel, something shared by Communists as well as Nazi's.
I don't vote to put a Republican in office.
I vote to keep democrats out.