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Member Section => NFA Items => Topic started by: Big Frank on October 31, 2017, 01:03:20 PM
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Daniel Defense is making a pair of suppressors that are 3D printed Inconel, stainless steel, and titanium. The new baffle design is supposed to work better than simpler style baffles. The baffles and tube are a single piece of Inconel so there are no welds that could possibly break. They're good for anything from 5.56 to .300 Win Mag. and come in a quick-detach and a direct-thread version. https://danieldefense.com/wave
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Wonder how long it takes to print each suppressor?
Now if we just got them off the NFA list.
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Nice unit, but at basically a grand for the standard thread-on, plus the $200 tax...... I think I'll pass.
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I don't want to buy anything that requires more paperwork than a regular firearm purchase. The government has too much information on me as is. Michigan has had handgun registration for over 100 years and I don't like the state knowing what I have. I don't want to be on one more government list.
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Ok I had to look. This is not a material that will run in a table top 3D printer. This is printed in a printer that uses a laser to weld the material together. The Engineer in me is thrilled to know the technology exists and has been around for a while. Another side of me is both gad and sad to see that this is cost prohibitive printing technology. There will not be the fight about 3D printing suppressor parts. They will be able to make some new designs and learn more about the flow and effect of the gasses moving through the suppressor but this is not coming to a garage near you any time soon.
Boo
Also we do not need another technology stopped from stupid fear.
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It works just like the if cured resins. You have a box full of highly powdered metal. A laser melts said powder in very small layers. After each layer a very thin layer of metal powder is applied, repeat. Just look on YouTube for metal 3d printer. You will find one.
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Aw, heck...that is way cool. I read the product brochure but I need to see the comparison on sound levels with other manufacturers. They really should be able to add design tweaks that are either impossible or near impossible to achieve with regular machining.
**-Later note: Disappointingly, reviews I read indicated the noise reduction was sub-par compared to other models.
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Well, that sucks. They said, "Typically Reduces a 5.56 round by 30dB & 300BLK by 40dB, depending on barrel length and environmental conditions". I don't know how that compares to other suppressors. If they need to modify the design to make it work better that would be easy enough.
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You would think so, wouldn't you?
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It's not like they have to make a new set of dies to stamp out different baffles or anything. A little change to the program and it's ready to go. It seems like they could design it to work better than any other suppressor.
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Again, you would think so, wouldn't you?
I have not found any great reviews about them.
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We use 3D plastic printing technology (I am aware that there is a big difference here) but there are limitations to size and they can be brittle. The plastic is very susceptible to grain direction fractures. As an example we have to resign a lot around torque and screws to make the printed plastic parts function for design verification. I would suspect, without doing a ton of research, that they are having to have a cross section area limitation and limited sharp edges. They would also be VERY slow and power hungry. We have parts that you can hold in your hand that take a day to print. Complex geometry, step size, smaller size = smoother, and having to build for best strength would all factor into making the design optimized for sound. Using this printer as a production tool the design would need to be optimized/compromised for cost as much as sound level. They still have a price point/ threshold to hit. They will get there but we may need more/new technology to get there.
Still form the design perspective if you could prove a design improvement to pressure flow or heat transfer resulting in a DB change it would be a great tool. printing it before you make a machine to make it for production like a casting could lead to some great leaps forward.
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Now SIG is making a titanium 3D printed 9mm suppressor, so it wasn't just a passing fad. Or it's one that isn't over yet. This suppressor is a modular design that can be configured to 7 different lengths and looks kind of like an alien spaceship.
https://www.sigsauer.com/modx-9.html
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So, just what do you know about sound propagation ?
So, it cuts 5.56 by 30 Db ? Where ? At the muzzle ? From the shooters perspective ?
How was it measured ?
What angle was it tested at ?
And according to the guy who invented it it's a SILENCER.
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Hiram Percy Maxim, the inventor of the SILENCER, called them SILENCERS too. I don't have a problem with people using the same term the inventor of the SILENCER did. If you want to argue that it's not a silencer, it's a suppressor, dig up his nearly 85 year old body and argue with him. SIG calls this a suppressor like most people do. If you want to argue with them that they're wrong, go ahead. I'll accept that term also.
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Hiram Percy Maxim, the inventor of the SILENCER, called them SILENCERS too. I don't have a problem with people using the same term the inventor of the SILENCER did. If you want to argue that it's not a silencer, it's a suppressor, dig up his nearly 85 year old body and argue with him. SIG calls this a suppressor like most people do. If you want to argue with them that they're wrong, go ahead. I'll accept that term also.
Give the man a brownie point ! ;D
Called it the Maxim Silencer Co. too. ;D
He actually was building on some of his father's work on silencing gas systems and applied it to cars and guns.
It really makes sense when you realize that all 3 are gases under pressure.
Before Smokeless powder the old man had also been working with baffles and other ways of filtering out fouling.
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The mufflers he invented for cars aren't regulated but mufflers for firearms are. Why?
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$200 fine if you don't have one, $200 punitive tax if you want the other ?