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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Teresa Heilevang on February 19, 2010, 05:57:28 PM
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Warph sent these to me.. I'm passing it on here.:
Its disturbing to me...........
The Second Wave
Evidence Grows of Far-Right Militia Resurgence
By Larry Keller
In Pensacola, Fla., retired FBI agent Ted Gunderson tells a gathering of anti government "Patriots" that the federal government has set up 1,000 internment camps across the country and is storing 30,000 guillotines and a half-million caskets in Atlanta. They're there for the day the government finally declares martial law and moves in to round up or kill American dissenters, he says. "They're going to keep track of all of us, folks," Gunderson warns.
Outside Atlanta, a so-called "American Grand Jury" issues an "indictment" of Barack Obama for fraud and treason because, the panel concludes, he wasn't born in the United States and is illegally occupying the office of president. Other sham "grand juries" around the country follow suit.
And on the site in Lexington, Mass., where the opening shots of the Revolutionary War were fired in 1775, members of Oath Keepers, a newly formed group of law enforcement officers, military men and veterans, "muster" on April 19 to reaffirm their pledge to defend the U.S. Constitution. "We're in perilous times … perhaps far more perilous than in 1775," says the man administering the oath. April 19 is the anniversary not only of the battle of Lexington Green, but also of the 1993 conflagration at the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas, and the lethal bombing two years later of the Oklahoma City federal building — seminal events in the lore of the extreme right, in particular the anti government Patriot movement.
Rest of story at: http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2009/fall/the-second-wave
Hate Groups MAP: http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/hatemap
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Find the FEMA Concentration Camp Near You!
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Air Force Bases per State and Country
http://www.greatdreams.com/concentration-camp-locations.htm
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U.S. CONCENTRATION CAMPS - FEMA AND THE REX 84 PROGRAM
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/fema.htm
President Regan signed Presidential Director Number 54 in April of 1984 that allowed FEMA to activate a secret national readiness exercise. This exercise was given the code name REX 84. The purpose of the exercise was to test FEMA's ability to assume military authority. REX 84 was so highly guarded that special metal doors were installed on the fifth floor of the FEMA building in Washington, D.C. The only people that were allowed to enter the premises were ones who had a red Christian cross on their shirt. The exercise required the following:
Suspension of the Constitution of the United States
Turning control of the government over to FEMA
Appointment of military commanders to run state and local governments
Declaration of Martial Law
So how much money goes into an organization like this? Well it has been discovered that FEMA has a quasi-billion dollar budget. However, about 6% of that budget goes into the relief effort. So why is it that they need so much money? Ever wonder where the President goes when it's said he is in a "secure location"? Well most of the time that location is a secret government complex built into a mountain. It is called Mt. Weather.
There over 600 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) should Martial Law need to be implemented in the United States.
The Rex 84 Program was established on the reasoning that if a mass exodus of illegal aliens crossed the Mexican/US border, they would be quickly rounded up and detained in detention lefts by FEMA. Rex 84 allowed many military bases to be closed down and to be turned into prisons.
Operation Cable Splicer and Garden Plot are the two sub programs which will be implemented once the Rex 84 program is initiated for its proper purpose. Garden Plot is the program to control the population. Cable Splicer is the program for an orderly takeover of the state and local governments by the federal government. FEMA is the executive arm of the coming police state and thus will head up all operations. The Presidential Executive Orders already listed on the Federal Register also are part of the legal framework for this operation.
The camps all have railroad facilities as well as roads leading to and from the detention facilities. Many also have an airport nearby. The majority of the camps can house a population of 20,000 prisoners. Currently, the largest of these facilities is just outside of Fairbanks, Alaska. The Alaskan facility is a massive mental health facility and can hold approximately 2 million people.
A person named Terry Kings wrote an article on his discoveries of camps
located in southern California. His findings are as follows:
Over the last couple months several of us have investigated three soon-to-be prison camps in the Southern California area. We had heard about these sites and wanted to see them for ourselves.
The first one we observed was in Palmdale, California. It is not operating as a prison at the moment but is masquerading as part of a water facility. Now why would there be a facility of this nature out in the middle of nowhere with absolutely no prisoners? The fences that run for miles around this large facility all point inward, and there are large mounds of dirt and dry moat surrounding the central area so the inside area is not visible from the road. There are 3 large loading docks facing the entrance that can be observed from the road. What are these massive docks going to be loading?
We observed white vans patrolling the area and one came out and greeted us with a friendly wave and followed us until we had driven safely beyond the area. What would have happened had we decided to enter the open gate or ask questions?
This facility is across the street from the Palmdale Water Department. The area around the Water Department has fences pointing outward, to keep people out of this dangerous area so as not to drown. Yet, across the street, the fences all point inward. Why? To keep people in? What people? Who are going to be it’s occupants?
There are also signs posted every 50 feet stating: State of California Trespassing Loitering Forbidden By Law Section 555 California Penal Code.
The sign at the entrance says: Pearblossom Operations and Maintenance Subleft Receiving Department, 34534 116th Street East. There is also a guard shack located at the entrance.
We didn’t venture into this facility, but did circle around it to see if there was anything else visible from the road. We saw miles of fences with the top points all directed inward. There is a railroad track that runs next to the perimeter of this fenced area. The loading docks are large enough to hold railroad cars.
I wonder what they are planning for this facility? They could easily fit 100,000 people in this area. And who would the occupants be?
Another site is located in Brand Park in Glendale. There are newly constructed fences (all outfitted with new wiring that point inward). The fences surround a dry reservoir. There are also new buildings situated in the area. We questioned the idea that there were four armed military personnel walking the park. Since when does a public park need armed guards?
A third site visited was in the San Fernando Valley, adjacent to the Water District. Again, the area around the actual Water District had fences logically pointing out (to keep people out of the dangerous area). And the rest of the adjacent area which went on for several miles was ringed with fences and barbed wire facing inward (to keep what or who in?) Also, interesting was the fact that the addition to the tops of the fences were fairly new as to not even contain any sign of rust on them. Within the grounds was a huge building that the guard said was a training range for policemen. There were newly constructed roads, new gray military looking buildings, and a landing strip. For what? Police cars were constantly patrolling the several mile perimeter of the area.
From the parking lot of the Odyssey Restaurant a better view could be taken of the area that was hidden from site from the highway. There was an area that contained about 100 black boxes that looked like railroad cars. We had heard that loads of railroad cars have been manufactured in Oregon outfitted with shackles. Would these be of that nature? From our position it was hard to determine.
In searching the Internet, I have discovered that there are about 600 of these prison sites around the country (and more literally popping up overnight do they work all night). They are manned, but yet do not contain prisoners. Why do they need all these non-operating prisons? What are they waiting for? We continuously hear that our current prisons are overcrowded and they are releasing prisoners because of this situation. But what about all these facilities? What are they really for? Why are there armed guards yet no one to protect themselves against? And what is going to be the kick-off point to put these facilities into operation?
What would bring about a situation that would call into effect the need for these new prison facilities? A man-made or natural catastrophe? An earthquake, panic due to Y2K, a massive poisoning, a panic of such dimensions to cause nationwide panic?
Once a major disaster occurs (whether it is a real event or manufactured event does not matter) Martial Law is hurriedly put in place and we are all in the hands of the government agencies (FEMA) who thus portray themselves as our protectors. Yet what happens when we question those in authority and how they are taking away all of our freedoms? Will we be the ones detained in these camp sites? And who are they going to round up? Those with guns? Those who ask questions? Those that want to know what’s really going on? Does that include any of us? The seekers of truth?
When first coming across this information I was in a state of total denial. How could this be? I believed our country was free, and always felt a sense of comfort in knowing that as long as we didn’t hurt others in observing our freedom we were left to ourselves. Ideally we treated everyone with respect and honored their uniqueness and hoped that others did likewise.
It took an intensive year of searching into the hidden politics to discover that we are as free as we believe we are. If we are in denial, we don’t see the signs that are staring at us, but keep our minds turned off and busy with all the mundane affairs of daily life.
We just don’t care enough to find out the real truth, and settle for the hand-fed stories that come our way over the major media sources television, radio, newspaper, and magazines. But it’s too late to turn back to the days of blindfolds and hiding our heads in the sand because the reality is becoming very clear. The time is fast approaching when we will be the ones asking "What happened to our freedom? To our free speech? To our right to protect ourselves and our family? To think as an individual? To express ourselves in whatever way we wish?"
Once we challenge that freedom we find out how free we really are. How many are willing to take up that challenge? Very few indeed, otherwise we wouldn’t find ourselves in the situation that we are in at the present time. We wouldn’t have let things progress and get out of the hands of the public and into the hands of those that seek to keep us under their control no matter what it takes, and that includes the use of force and detainment for those that ask the wrong questions.
Will asking questions be outlawed next? Several instances have recently been reported where those that were asking questions that came too near the untold truth (the cover up) were removed from the press conferences and from the public’s ear. Also, those that wanted to speak to the press were detained and either imprisoned, locked in a psychiatric hospital, slaughtered (through make-believe suicides) or discredited.
Why are we all in denial over these possibilities? Didn’t we hear about prison camps in Germany, and even in the United States during World War II? Japanese individuals were rounded up and placed in determent camps during the duration of the War. Where was their freedom?
You don’t think it could happen to you? Obviously those rounded up and killed didn’t think it could happen to them either. How could decent people have witnessed such atrocities and still said nothing? Are we going to do the same here as they cart off one by one those individuals who are taking a stand for the rights of the citizens as they expose the truth happening behind the scenes? Are we all going to sit there and wonder what happened to this country of ours? Where did we go wrong? How could we let it happen?
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US MARINE DRILL SERGEANT BOASTS OF WHAT THEY WILL DO TO CIVILIANS UNDER MARTIAL LAW IN THE USA/MONTANA
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/fema.htm
I am still kinda reeling from what a US Marine admitted to me in a long conversation...a crack US Marine drill sergeant with 12 years of professional training and being a trainer in the Marines. He specialized in hardening them to win (ie-fire on women and children wherever appropriate, "show no mercy" etc.)
He CONFIRMED lots of things to me to me I already knew, and revealed lots of new things to me.
MARINE CONFIRMS PRISONER BOXCARS PREPOSITIONED EVERYWHERE FOR MARTIAL LAW-
HE ADMITTED (actually, BOASTED would be more appropriate) that there were INDEED PRISONER BOXCARS PREPOSITIONED EVERYWHERE THROUGHOUT MONTANA where I interviewed him(and nationwide)...that the military has properly assessed the civilian resistance/militia threat under martial law, and hence had everything in place for a military takeover USING US MARINES HEAVILY.
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"WHY do you THINK that they have the Marines in place in Billings, Montana, " he bragged. He explained that MARINES would be used most heavily in Montana(and NATIONWIDE) under martial law...and he was evidently quite proud of their role. He admitted they had been hardened to kill...and that killing women and children would be a part of their agenda wherever deemed necessary.
WHY? He said that under a state of war or martial law, it is a known fact that women can be used and even children to convey information to"the enemy." (OR to combat US forces.)
He shared then how many men in his platoon stationed overseas had been killed or hurt because a Marine refused his orders, to fire on an eight year old child. The child was suspected to be a courier for the Mujahideen, transporting information about Marine logistics and whereabouts,to the Moslems they were fighting. And as a result of enemy information getting thru, many men in his platoon were injured or killed by resultant Moslem attack.
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"The child may not have even known what he was transporting," the Marine told me, "But the damage to our men occurred regardless...all because one man refused his orders and failed to take out this threat..."
We discussed the BOXCARS AND SHACKLES and MILITARY DETENTION CAMPS under MARTIAL LAW issue. A knowing smile broke out on his face as I described to him my research on future MARTIAL LAW and the role of PRISONER BOXCARS WITH SHACKLES.
When I mentioned how my research on this subject brought me to the HIGHLINE (the railroad tracks that run parallel to HIGHWAY 2 in northern Montana) and northern Montana, he admitted...
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"The boxcars are NOT just up there...we have them spread out ALL OVER MONTANA...Billings...Bozeman..." He went on to name city after city in Montana.
TERMINATION IN THE PRISONER BOXCARS, MARINE STYLE-
"LIKE SHEEP LED TO SLAUGHTER"
We discussed what would happen ONCE people were arrested under martial law and brought into these boxcars. MARINE style.
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He said, "In many cases they won't even waste a bullet on them. MANY WILL NEVER REACH THE CAMPS ALIVE. They have this thing we called a 'staple gun'..." I asked him to elaborate. "This 'gun' shoots out a long metal rod that hits another piece of metal...they just hold that to someone's head like a gun and...."
He was in fact describing a STUN GUN, the same kind used to stun cattle and sheep in slaughterhouses prior to processing.
I understood. With the same effect that a BULLET THRU THE HEAD, favored by military for dispatching people under such circumstances, would have. Only THIS way, the American people will become LIKE SHEEP LED TO SLAUGHTER...literally.
nd like dumb sheep led to slaughter, civilians arrested under martial law are not even considered worth the cost of a bullet...
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RED-FLAG/BLACK FLAG- MARINE STANDARDS FOR "WHO SHALL LIVE, WHO SHALL DIE"
We discussed various LISTS or status of people, once arrested, under MARTIAL LAW would have. You know, like FEMA RED-BLUE lists, etc.
He responded by admitting that FEMA WAS ONLY A FRONT FOR SUCH OPERATIONS, and that IN FACT IT WOULD BE THE US MILITARY (with foreign troop assistance, UN/NATO/Pfp etc.,) OPERATING THE BOXCARS AND DEATHCAMPS.
He said that the Marines had their RED FLAGGED people and BLACK FLAGGED people. When people come up RED FLAG on their computerized list, it is a person that will be arrested and taken to military camps, but may be "salvageable" (or can be rehabilitated, re-educated, etc.)
But when people come up BLACK FLAGGED, they will be arrested and PUT TO DEATH.
NO questions asked.
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"When taking captives under MARTIAL LAW, we might even use a black flagged person who is going to die anyhow, and MAKE THEM AN EXAMPLE TO THE OTHER PEOPLE WE ARREST TO NOT MESS WITH US AND COOPERATE...by executing that person in front of the others...a form of CONTROL THRU FEAR."
WHY THE US MILITARY IN IRAQ-A Marine Explains
I discussed my loathing for the reports we were now receiving from IRAQ, about even young girls and teens being arrested indiscriminately, tortured and sodomized, raped, etc.
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He replied, "You have to understand the logistics of WAR and what is happening there. Since the US soldiers are surrounded with people (Iraqis) and the enemy in many cases is THE UNKNOWN, that have to have ways to flush them out.
By randomly selecting civilians to interrogate through torture and other means, and then releasing them, they are hoping that when that person who has been roughed up returns to their home or friends, it will provoke them (enemy combatants) into such anger and retaliation that they are FLUSHED OUT INTO THE OPEN so we can deal with them and know who the enemy really is."
He also admitted it creates FEAR in the people towards the occupying army, so that they will hesitate to rebel.
In light of coming MARTIAL LAW, which he admitted WOULD COME DOWN IN AMERICA, I discussed my theory that THE US MILITARY THAT IS BEING HARDENED THROUGH SUCH PRACTICES IN IRAQ TODAY, will be the ones brought home to PERFORM THE SAME TASKS AGAINST THE US CIVILIANS IN THE FUTURE UNDER MARTIAL LAW.
MARINE MENTALITY-FIRING UPON WOMEN AND CHILDREN AT COMMAND-
He did not deny this. And when I mentioned my concern over whether or not they could get our own US troops to fire upon America citizens, even women and children, he explained to me the MARINE MENTALITY.
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"These Marines have been hardened to KILL UPON COMMAND. They have been taught to NOT QUESTION THE ORDERS OF THEIR SUPERIORS OR COMMANDING OFFICER. THEY WILL KILL WHOEVER AND WHENEVER THEY ARE COMMANDED TO. " He let me know that concepts of MERCY or COMPASSION are diametrically opposed to WAR and military mentality.
He had trained men himself in the Marines, and admitted he was one of those people hardening OTHER Marines to kill without regret or conscience...even under MARTIAL LAW IN AMERICA.
MILITARY STRATEGY UNDER MARTIAL LAW USA-
We then discussed WEAPONS OF WAR. I fully admitted to him my position in the upcoming MARTIAL LAW holocaust. It was SAFE: we were on neutral ground and martial law has not been declared here YET.
I then discussed my honest assessment, however, of Patriot/civilian resistance. Coming from the kind of military background family I do, I had a much more realistic assessment of modern military might versus civilian resistance. I said,
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"I always give a salvation message at the end of each radio broadcast I give on the subject of MARTIAL LAW SHOWDOWN...I let the Patriot militias out there know that while I admire their intentions as they stand up for freedom and against the NWO, they frankly have no realistic concept of how highly armed and trained and prepared the military forces of the NWO really are...and that a lot of these good folks are going to factually die with what is coming down when they offer resistance... SO I tell them, 'at LEAST ensure yourselves the ULTIMATE VICTORY of knowing you have ETERNAL LIFE thru Jesus Christ in case you die....and many of you WILL END UP IN HELL should they take you out WITHOUT CHRIST...so GET RIGHT WITH GOD NOW."
He smiled and said, "That's why we Marines have a saying that we will take 'em out and LET GOD SORT 'EM!"
He went on to describe the newer weapons the US military had developed to be used against civilian resistance. Grenades that have caustic substances that when exploded, will eat away any CHEM/BIO BODY SUIT that a resister may be wearing for protection under MARTIAL LAW. Projectiles with uranium shells that when fired will pass through buildings with such power and velocity that they will suck human bodies right out with them through the hole they create in buildings as they emerge (of course destroying the bodies in the process). And more.
THE COMING REALITY OF MICROWAVING DEATH CAMPS UNDER MARTIAL LAW-
He also confirmed the reality of microwave related weapons as well.
I mentioned that in my research on MILITARY DETENTION CAMPS and termination facilities, I knew about GASSING/CREMATORY facilities, and MICROWAVING deathcamps as well.
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WIth the smile of a hardened soldier, he replied, "The MICROWAVING facilities have been around since the 1950's. THEY ARE ALREADY BEING USED IN PLACES LIKE KOSOVO and other places...they make our clean-up much more easy after executions. The bodies don't EXPLODE...they IMPLODE or collapse from the inside...."
I commented on my 6 months of research in Germany at the US military installation called THE MARSHALL CENTER and other locations, to uncover more about the role of UN/NATO foreign troops to be used under martial law in America someday.
Former YUGOSLAVIA is being used as a test case for an entire country brought under UN/NATO control. It has been divided up into FOUR regions, with UN foreign troops assigned to patrol each section. This is much like AMERICA UNDER MARTIAL LAW will be divided up into TEN regions with UN/NATO/PfP troops patrolling each region.
And even now, foreign and America troops are being trained through experience in places like KOSOVO for what they will do under MARTIAL LAW in America someday:roadblocks and searches and weapons seizures, gun confiscation, "search/seizure/arrest" at homes, marching red-flagged/black-flagged, FEMA red/blue listed people off to boxcars and shackles or buses (OR federal prisoner transport planes) to be held or terminated accordingly, etc.
The fact that THEY ARE EVEN NOW PRACTICING TERMINATING "ENEMIES" UNDER UN/NATO/NWO OCCUPATION in "microwaving deathcamp" facilities leaves a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach.
We have heard of microwave termination facilities here in the US to be used under MARTIAL LAW. I have reported on our suspicions. And now this Marine has provided up front confirmation. He admitted that not only are there gassing/crematory facilities, but the MICROWAVE termination facilities are a present reality as well.
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Marine Mentality-"LOTS OF AMERICAN ARE DUMB SHEEP!"
I expressed to him my deep concerns over innocent people being terminated in such camps. He explained the military mentality of thinking.
"MOST AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE DUMB SHEEP" and sheep can be dangerous IF they cannot be controlled or pose a threat to the security of the US military forces under martial law or endanger their operations. In such cases THEY MUST BE TAKEN OUT...as in NEW ORLEANS. He admitted that his Marine buddies had been shooting and killing a lot of people down there...people who will not surrender their weapons when asked, etc.
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"We have the philosophy in the military that you SACRIFICE ONE OR A FEW FOR THE GOOD OF THE MANY..."
In others words, IF a person, OR a group (Patriot leader, militia leader and their group, etc., or various people under martial law) poses a threat to the good of the MANY (in the US military) then they will sacrifice those people.
When I shared with him how my previous research uncovered the hidden reality of NWO RESISTANCE within the ranks of the US military, he looked at me with narrowed eye intensity and responded, "NOT THESE MARINES...NOT MY MEN! These men have been prepared and trained and equipped...THEY ARE PREPARED FOR MARTIAL LAW and they have been trained to WIN."
PARTING INTO THE NIGHT-CONCLUSION
We finally parted and went our separate ways into the night.
But before he left, I told him, "Well , nice talking to you...and whether you know it or not, you just did a HELLUVA PSY-OPS JOB on me, sir..." He just smiled. In fact it took me all night in prayer just to assess what he had shared with me and finally become calm and drift off to sleep.
WARRIOR CLASS CHRISTIANS AND PATRIOTS-
I simply let him know that there are those among " NWO resistance" that are not afraid to die.
We ARE in fact Major Ralph Peter's WARRIOR CLASS Patriot/Christian resistance that he has formerly described to the US military, and Major Ralph (formerly of PENTAGON INTELLIGENCE) was RIGHT in his assessment of us American Christians/Patriots in his report: we CANNOT be dissuaded from our faith in God and from our stand against NWO despotism and the Satanic darkness behind it all...not even by threats of death or what he just had informed me about US military strategy against resistance under martial law.
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He looked at the ground and spoke softly and said, "There's not many of your kind out there anymore..." as I continued to witness Jesus Christ and salvation to him.
But there are many more of us than you might think, dear! And by GOD'S GRACE, God is raising up MORE AND MORE committed and informed Christians, who see the NEW WORLD ORDER and the coming MARTIAL LAW TYRANNY for what it is in light of Bible Scriptures, and who are going to THEIR Commander in Chief, God Almighty, for WISDOM, and COUNSEL, and DIRECTION and STRATEGY TO WIN as well!
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"THESE SHALL MAKE WAR WITH THE LAMB, AND THE LAMB SHALL OVERCOME THEM, FOR HE IS LORD OF LORDS AND KING OF KINGS, AND THEY THAT ARE WITH IM ARE CALLED, AND CHOSEN AND FAITHFUL." From REVELATION in the BIBLE
Are YOU "WITH HIM" in this critical hour...are YOU with the ETERNALLY WINNING SIDE of JESUS CHRIST???
-Pam Schuffert reporting LIVE from the Pacific Northwest
The former Major Ralph Peters (who has been on O'Reilly and Hannity numerous times) of PENTAGON INTELLIGENCE, now apparently retired, had written a report for the US Army's PARAMETERS magazine, called "WARRIOR CLASS," in which he discussed NWO RESISTANCE and how there was a group of people among NWO resisters who could NOT be swayed or deterred by conventional military means from their stand against the NEW WORLD ORDER or their religious faith BEHIND their determination to not accept it nor cooperate. He referred to them as WARRIOR CLASS. He then stated in his report in PARAMETERS that SUCH RESISTANCE WILL HAVE TO BE COUNTERED BY THE US MILITARY WITH "IRRESISTIBLE FORCE."
"Whatever Is Covered Up Will Be Uncovered And Every Secret Will Be Made Known" - Luke 12:2
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Must be one of those "Super secret mall trained ninja " types.
I bet he has a bayonet on his Glock as well.
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Oh boy. Somebody got something in their Wheaties. Yes there are cars stored around Montana, they are the flat cars that they use for containers. As for the HighLine, that is an active track used for freight and Amtrak.
Why Montana anyway. We are less than 1 million in the 4th largest state. Why put shackles INSIDE a boxcar made to transport people?
I just don't buy it.
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Hmm...I noticed they went with Guillotines rather than Gallows. Unusual that they would switch from traditional technology...
All I can figure is that T&T have cornered the rope market and they were forced to adapt....
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Hmm...I noticed they went with Guillotines rather than Gallows. Unusual that they would switch from traditional technology...
All I can figure is that T&T have cornered the rope market and they were forced to adapt....
Guillotines? No one to my knowledge has used those since the Frenh gave up their hydraluic model back in the 50's I think. D'ya think some might notice an order for 30,000 of those? "They're just paper cutters, really". ::) ::) ::) I think this was someone getting drunk and plaing a game of "lets see how gullible the conspiracy folks are". Likewise Montana? He who controls Montana controls the US? Cut off the gas supply and let the wolverines try riding two hundred miles horseback to attack any thing. You wouldn't even have to garrison the state (a win-win for Montans and the NWO).
FQ13 Who remembers the old this is your brain on......adds
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Just like ifragard. There are thousands of containers placed around the states. as well as places to hold people. Not sayin its gonna happen but, its just like CCW . motive, opportunity, and intent. 8)
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It would not sound so much like a Paranoid delusion if they left out the Guillotines .
Gas Chambers, or even shooting pits would handle higher capacity, with more efficient handling of victims.
If the enemies of the country have been using Communist subversion in Government, why would they not copy both the Soviet, and Nazi examples ? Even the Serbs in Bosnia knew better than THAT
My prediction is that if an administration really tried that, it would result in a massive CF ;D
1 Troops, and more importantly, Commanders, saying "HELL NO !"
2 Insufficient Rail infrastructure, The "Reception Areas" may be prepared but the "Departure points" will be trying to locate and "process" huge numbers of people over large areas, because our basic Rail System, as extensive as it is , covers only a fraction of the area served at the close of WW II.
For example, All Rail and bus traffic from Me, NH, Vt, and Eastern Canada pass through the same station in Boston, at rush hour it is a mad house already, the other option is to spread out collection points to smaller towns and stations, but this dilutes your security force, and all Rail lines run through Boston anyway creating a bottle neck that could snarl traffic on a nation wide scale ;D
3 I can't even begin on the problems caused by Citizens who don't WANT to take a "Cattle car" to the "East".
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The whole scenario of people placidly allowing themselves to be herded into rail cars may be viable for the likes of Boston and its suburbs, but out in the more rural and uncivilized parts of the country there would be firefights on every block. And the solders involved in those firefights would be killing friends and neighbors because that is the part of the country where most of the military comes from. I just can't see anything but a mass mutiny at that point. And I think they would have a hard time finding many in the officer corp that could or would give those kind of orders.
Unless they were herding democrats into the boxcars, then it might be a different story. ;D
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I think a lot of this is unsubstantiated and a wee bit over the top. Maybe some folks believe EVERYTHING, but I don't. Seems a bit of Bovine Scatology IMHO.
At the first sign of ANY of what this article describes starts, the results will make the Afghanistan look like a picnic, and the Civil War look like a weekend skirmish.
100,000,000 give or take, armed citizens, will simply not tolerate a few hundred thousand or even a million American Soldiers rounding up and exterminating their countrymen. Not counting the military that also is bound by oath to disregard an unlawful order. This would happen at the command level on down to the grunt with a rifle, who says NO "F-in" way.
The resistance would spread like the unemployment map that was posted here. Some otherwise "disarmed" areas of the country may fall quickly, (they can take SanFran, Chicago, DC, and Boston) but even the military knows, what the Japanese did; "Behind Every Blade Of Grass" into an otherwise complete collapse of anything we knew as America would be gone.
Plus global consequences would come into play.
No longer United, the military would have to result to literally using small nuclear arms in "free states", and large resistance held areas.
I don't even think the "world" would tolerate mass slaughter at that scale. What are we Rhwanda, Bosnia, Nazi Germany?
Let's just send a message in Nov. first. T & T have the rope on stand-by.
Either way, keep stocking up when you can. I am.
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I think a lot of this is unsubstantiated and a wee bit over the top. Maybe some folks believe EVERYTHING, but I don't. Seems a bit of Bovine Scatology IMHO.
At the first sign of ANY of what this article describes starts, the results will make the Afghanistan look like a picnic, and the Civil War look like a weekend skirmish.
100,000,000 give or take, armed citizens, will simply not tolerate a few hundred thousand or even a million American Soldiers rounding up and exterminating their countrymen. Not counting the military that also is bound by oath to disregard an unlawful order. This would happen at the command level on down to the grunt with a rifle, who says NO "F-in" way.
The resistance would spread like the unemployment map that was posted here. Some otherwise "disarmed" areas of the country may fall quickly, (they can take SanFran, Chicago, DC, and Boston) but even the military knows, what the Japanese did; "Behind Every Blade Of Grass" into an otherwise complete collapse of anything we knew as America would be gone.
Plus global consequences would come into play.
No longer United, the military would have to result to literally using small nuclear arms in "free states", and large resistance held areas.
I don't even think the "world" would tolerate mass slaughter at that scale. What are we Rhwanda, Bosnia, Nazi Germany?
Let's just send a message in Nov. first. T & T have the rope on stand-by.
Either way, keep stocking up when you can. I am.
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I think a lot of this is unsubstantiated and a wee bit over the top. Maybe some folks believe EVERYTHING, but I don't. Seems a bit of Bovine Scatology IMHO.
At the first sign of ANY of what this article describes starts, the results will make the Afghanistan look like a picnic, and the Civil War look like a weekend skirmish.
100,000,000 give or take, armed citizens, will simply not tolerate a few hundred thousand or even a million American Soldiers rounding up and exterminating their countrymen. Not counting the military that also is bound by oath to disregard an unlawful order. This would happen at the command level on down to the grunt with a rifle, who says NO "F-in" way.
The resistance would spread like the unemployment map that was posted here. Some otherwise "disarmed" areas of the country may fall quickly, (they can take SanFran, Chicago, DC, and Boston) but even the military knows, what the Japanese did; "Behind Every Blade Of Grass" into an otherwise complete collapse of anything we knew as America would be gone.
Plus global consequences would come into play.
No longer United, the military would have to result to literally using small nuclear arms in "free states", and large resistance held areas.
I don't even think the "world" would tolerate mass slaughter at that scale. What are we Rhwanda, Bosnia, Nazi Germany?
Let's just send a message in Nov. first. T & T have the rope on stand-by.
Either way, keep stocking up when you can. I am.
With the other actions that seem directed at the downfall of the US, perhaps rebellion is the true goal.
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Another thought that just struck me, 30,000 Guillotines, but only 1/2 a million caskets is less than 17 chops per G. Figure 4 chops an hour, that's less than 5 hours capacity.
Why would they stock pile CASKETS for mass executions, every one else in history has used "Mass Graves" or incinerators..
The more I read this the more I detect Alex Jones "Conspiracy theory" BS.
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Another thought that just struck me, 30,000 Guillotines, but only 1/2 a million caskets is less than 17 chops per G. Figure 4 chops an hour, that's less than 5 hours capacity.
Why would they stock pile CASKETS for mass executions, every one else in history has used "Mass Graves" or incinerators..
The more I read this the more I detect Alex Jones "Conspiracy theory" BS.
I've said before and I'll say it again.
The three best investments you can make are (in no particular order):
ammo
tattoo removal technology (for when the butterfly on your once pert little ass starts looking like a wrinkly condor ;))
tinfoil
FQ13 ;D
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I've said before and I'll say it again.
The three best investments you can make are (in no particular order):
ammo
tattoo removal technology (for when the butterfly on your once pert little ass starts looking like a wrinkly condor ;))
tinfoil
FQ13 ;D
It's great for wrapping presents, as well as your Christmas Turkey, or your head.
Tin Foil, It's not just for CHRISTMAS turkey's anymore . ;D
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This stuff has been floating around for a bit. IIRC the 'caskets' can hold 4 bodies each and are more like giant tupperware than burial instruments.
F-I-L used to be on the response team in NYC set up after 9/11 to coordinate efforts of governmental agencies. They handled the West Nile Virus program, and ran drills for more terrorist attacks including NBC variants. He told me those 'caskets' are to be used to remove and isolate contaminated mass casualties.
Dare we hope the detention centers are for processing illegals? Things to ponder.
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This stuff has been floating around for a bit. IIRC the 'caskets' can hold 4 bodies each and are more like giant tuppeware than burial instruments.
F-I-L used to be on the response team in NYC set up after 9/11 to coordinate efforts of governmental agencies. They handled the West Nile Virus program, and ran drills for more terrorist attacks including NBC variants. He told me those 'caskets' are to be used to remove and isolate contaminated mass casualties.
Dare we hope the detention centers are for processing illegals? Things to ponder.
Write in Tom & Tom in 2012
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I know the camp in Louisiana is not gearing back up. I've friends who live near it...
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The voices in my head tell me this is all true. And if you can't trust the voices in your head, who can you trust?
I've got to go now and put some Unicorn Poop on my magic beans. ;)
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The voices in my head tell me this is all true. And if you can't trust the voices in your head, who can you trust?
Odd, the voices in my head only tell me I need more guns. And ammo. ;D
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Odd, the voices in my head only tell me I need more guns. And ammo. ;D
Okay... I'll listen to the voices in YOUR head for awhile ;) ;D
Ya need any magic beans?
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The voices in MY head told me to have that 1911 follow me home yesterday, so I did.....................WITH the wife's approval!! ;D
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So where are the pictures? Primarily interested in the 1911, but..... ;)
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The voices in MY head told me to have that 1911 follow me home yesterday, so I did.....................WITH the wife's approval!! ;D
What Ichiban said there tt. Or at least a picture of the wife WITH the 1911 giving the "thumbs up approval" ;D
P.S. toes don't count,... ;)
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I have a feeling they will be coming after Christians, but have not accounted for the power of God. I plan on coming out of the great tribulation in one piece.
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And the solders involved in those firefights would be killing friends and neighbors because that is the part of the country where most of the military comes from. I just can't see anything but a mass mutiny at that point.
Exactly. All of this crap is based on the pretense that the military, who by and in large are God fairing, freedom loving Americans, will turn on their own people. That I doubt. It is an all volunteer Army. These are people who signed on to Fight FOR Freedom, not help oppress, and perhaps kill, the very same people who are supposed to be on the receiving end of their risk taking. There will be a lot of dumb a$$, "Do as your told" cops who might, but armed citizens will send them packing in short order. Remember, where were all the cops in L.A. after they announced the Rodney King verdict? They ran like rabbits back to the station. I think you'll see the Joint Chiefs pointing M-1 Abrams at 1600 North, before you'll see them slaughter civilians. Without the military in full compliance, our government couldn't fight a street gang on drugs. Bill T.
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Exactly. All of this crap is based on the pretense that the military, who by and in large are God fairing, freedom loving Americans, will turn on their own people. That I doubt. It is an all volunteer Army. These are people who signed on to Fight FOR Freedom, not help oppress, and perhaps kill, the very same people who are supposed to be on the receiving end of their risk taking. There will be a lot of dumb a$$, "Do as your told" cops who might, but armed citizens will send them packing in short order. Remember, where were all the cops in L.A. after they announced the Rodney King verdict? They ran like rabbits back to the station. I think you'll see the Joint Chiefs pointing M-1 Abrams at 1600 North, before you'll see them slaughter civilians. Without the military in full compliance, our government couldn't fight a street gang on drugs. Bill T.
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Exactly. All of this crap is based on the pretense that the military, who by and in large are God fairing, freedom loving Americans, will turn on their own people. That I doubt. It is an all volunteer Army. These are people who signed on to Fight FOR Freedom, not help oppress, and perhaps kill, the very same people who are supposed to be on the receiving end of their risk taking. There will be a lot of dumb a$$, "Do as your told" cops who might, but armed citizens will send them packing in short order. Remember, where were all the cops in L.A. after they announced the Rodney King verdict? They ran like rabbits back to the station. I think you'll see the Joint Chiefs pointing M-1 Abrams at 1600 North, before you'll see them slaughter civilians. Without the military in full compliance, our government couldn't fight a street gang on drugs. Bill T.
The citizens of every military dictatorship in history thought the same thing. "They won't shoot/imprison/torture me. I went to high school with that guy/taught her third grade". Guess what, military training is brainwashing. I don't mean that in a bad way, its just that it gets us to sublimate our most basic instincts, like survival and "thou shalt not kill" in the service of the country as defined by those above you. You may hope our troops snap out of it. I don't. Hell in the late "80s, I was trained to fight on the "nuclear battlefield". We were to to do decon with borax, take anti-rad pills, all so we could kill some poor SOB who was dying of radiation sickness right along side of us. Yet the protocol was drilled into our young heads. Its why authoritarian governments use regionally diverse troops. Send the Alabama boys to NY and the yankees to Alabama. You are more of an optimist than me Bill.
FQ13
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We as a nation have the most armed citizenry on the surface of the Earth.
http://www.libraryindex.com/pages/1722/How-Many-Guns-Are-There-Who-Owns-Them-OWNERSHIP-BY-PRIVATE-CITIZENS.html
"According to the ATF report Firearms Commerce in the United States—2001/2002, during the one-hundred year period from 1899 through 1999, an estimated 248 million guns became available for sale in the United States (not including those produced for the military). This number included more than 87 million rifles, 86 million handguns, and 72 million shotguns."
That's a hell of a lot of weapons to, "lay down and go quietly". Remember estimates show a total of only 50 million AK's produced world wide since 1947. And look at how much hell they have raised in the hands of peasants.
As Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto said in one of the great quotations of World War II, ""You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."
http://www.skylighters.org/quotations/quots6.html
And don't forget, a lot of guns have been sold since 1941 ! Bill T.
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We as a nation have the most armed citizenry on the surface of the Earth.
http://www.libraryindex.com/pages/1722/How-Many-Guns-Are-There-Who-Owns-Them-OWNERSHIP-BY-PRIVATE-CITIZENS.html
"According to the ATF report Firearms Commerce in the United States—2001/2002, during the one-hundred year period from 1899 through 1999, an estimated 248 million guns became available for sale in the United States (not including those produced for the military). This number included more than 87 million rifles, 86 million handguns, and 72 million shotguns."
That's a hell of a lot of weapons to, "lay down and go quietly". Remember estimates show a total of only 50 million AK's produced world wide since 1947. And look at how much hell they have raised in the hands of peasants.
As Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto said in one of the great quotations of World War II, ""You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."
http://www.skylighters.org/quotations/quots6.html
And don't forget, a lot of guns have been sold since 1941 ! Bill T.
Trouble is, you and kilopopparomeo own half of them. Take you two out and we're screwed. ;D
FQ13
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This sounds like somthing from a survival novelette.
Here's the good part:
"Projectiles with uranium shells that when fired will pass through buildings with such power and velocity that they will suck human bodies right out with them through the hole they create in buildings as they emerge (of course destroying the bodies in the process)."
That is Total BS!
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This sounds like somthing from a survival novelette.
Here's the good part:
"Projectiles with uranium shells that when fired will pass through buildings with such power and velocity that they will suck human bodies right out with them through the hole they create in buildings as they emerge (of course destroying the bodies in the process)."
That is Total BS!
I bet Alex Jones swears he has 2 of them hidden on his prison planet. A holes like him do the Governments work by spreading crap only a mindless fool would believe. In the mean time it discredits more mundane, but far more legitimate concerns.
You all have FAR more faith in our Military and Police showing discretion than I do. Have you all forgotten the conduct of cops during Katrina ?
I would be pleasantly surprised if 25% of troops did not fall to the "Orders are orders" syndrome.
10% for cops.
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You all have FAR more faith in our Military and Police showing discretion than I do. Have you all forgotten the conduct of cops during Katrina ?
Military, yes. Police, no. The reason is attitude. You have to pass a psych test to become a cop. They want more of the programmable, mindless robot, elitist type. Like buying a new computer with a fresh hard drive. You can set it up most any way you want. Most military, and ex military guys and women are a far different breed than cops. Just go on some of these law enforcement based gun forums and you'll see. You can spot the cops by their posts. All of them have a "holier than thou", elitist, type of attitude toward civilians. They think because they're cops, their knowledge and ability with firearms has to be, and in fact is, far superior to the common citizen who owns and shoots firearms, based on the fact they, "use firearms for a living". It, of course is all B.S., but it's their credo.
Soldiers have no where near the attitude cops have when dealing with civilians. How many times have any of you been stopped for a minor traffic infraction and the cop, male or female, gets out of the car, and the first thing they put on is the attitude? It happens all too frequently. I remember shortly after 9/11 Melanie was applying for a job right across the street from Luke Air Force Base. They had the roads all closed off around the base with soldiers with M-16's everywhere. When one approached we asked how we could get there, he couldn't have been nicer or more polite.
This whole scenario will never happen. Yes, it's happened in other countries, but those people have had government in their face from day one. It's a way of life in socialistic Europe, and in many of these banana republic nations. None of them have enjoyed the freedoms we have, for as long as we have. That makes all the difference. I personally would rather die than live the way they do. I think there are more like me, than like these European, socialist citizens who have the mindset the government "owes" them from womb to tomb. Bill T.
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Military, yes. Police, no. The reason is attitude. You have to pass a psych test to become a cop. They want more of the programmable, mindless robot, elitist type. Like buying a new computer with a fresh hard drive. You can set it up most any way you want. Most military, and ex military guys and women are a far different breed than cops. Just go on some of these law enforcement based gun forums and you'll see. You can spot the cops by their posts. All of them have a "holier than thou", elitist, type of attitude toward civilians. They think because they're cops, their knowledge and ability with firearms has to be, and in fact is, far superior to the common citizen who owns and shoots firearms, based on the fact they, "use firearms for a living". It, of course is all B.S., but it's their credo.
Soldiers have no where near the attitude cops have when dealing with civilians. How many times have any of you been stopped for a minor traffic infraction and the cop, male or female, gets out of the car, and the first thing they put on is the attitude? It happens all too frequently. I remember shortly after 9/11 Melanie was applying for a job right across the street from Luke Air Force Base. They had the roads all closed off around the base with soldiers with M-16's everywhere. When one approached we asked how we could get there, he couldn't have been nicer or more polite.
This whole scenario will never happen. Yes, it's happened in other countries, but those people have had government in their face from day one. It's a way of life in socialistic Europe, and in many of these banana republic nations. None of them have enjoyed the freedoms we have, for as long as we have. That makes all the difference. I personally would rather die than live the way they do. I think there are more like me, than like these European, socialist citizens who have the mindset the government "owes" them from womb to tomb. Bill T.
What do you think the "Nanny Staters are trying to condition us for with their "Welfare" "Healthcare" and "Entitlements" ?
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The citizens of every military dictatorship in history thought the same thing. "They won't shoot/imprison/torture me. I went to high school with that guy/taught her third grade". Guess what, military training is brainwashing. I don't mean that in a bad way, its just that it gets us to sublimate our most basic instincts, like survival and "thou shalt not kill" in the service of the country as defined by those above you. You may hope our troops snap out of it. I don't. Hell in the late "80s, I was trained to fight on the "nuclear battlefield". We were to to do decon with borax, take anti-rad pills, all so we could kill some poor SOB who was dying of radiation sickness right along side of us. Yet the protocol was drilled into our young heads. Its why authoritarian governments use regionally diverse troops. Send the Alabama boys to NY and the yankees to Alabama. You are more of an optimist than me Bill.
FQ13
Wow! Thats a pretty elitist view of our military. You do realize of course, that our military is the best trained most highly educated force on the planet? Hell one of the primary requirements in our military academies is ethics. Our soldiers take extraordinary measures to avoid civilian casualties. That mentality doesn't disappear.
Also, the reason for this "brainwashing" to use your word is to eliminate the individual and force you to work as a team. And that is the way 90% of the soldiers I know feel about it. It doesn't matter where you're from, you are an American soldier and I'm proud to fight by your side.
Even you FQ could kill a man with a weapon pointed at you. You don't even have to think about it. But ask yourself, could you look into the eyes of a scared, defenseless person, and pull the trigger just because your government told you to? I think you should give our military a lot more credit for morality, and conscience . Because your comments here are starting to sound very John Kerryish.
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What do you think the "Nanny Staters are trying to condition us for with their "Welfare" "Healthcare" and "Entitlements" ?
It's backfiring in the worst way possible. That is what got the Tea Party movement rolling. Just about everyone with a pulse sees California as the perfect model of What Not To Do! Arnold's poll numbers are in the low 27% range. He makes Bush look like an American Idol winner. You have a tremendous amount of conservatives, both Republican, as well as independent, who are seeing a Hussein run nation in the same light as California, and they're either running from it, or else they're up in arms about it, (Tea Party). Either way it spells doom for the liberal democrats and their big government policies.
Look at the smoke and mirrors act Hussein is trying to pull off today with his asinine, "Health Care Summit". Why have a "summit" to push something no one wants? The man is desperate. And it isn't the Republicans that are train wrecking this whole thing. It's his own party. The Republicans don't matter. They've got 59 seats and they only need 51 votes, and they simply don't have them, bribes and all.
The only people who want the entitlements are the worthless minorities. There aren't enough to matter. Blacks only comprise about 11% of the population. And out of that 11% less than 1/3rd are old enough, and in fact do vote. Hispanics are mostly illegal and don't vote. No matter how you slice the cake, liberal big government is finished. Hussein has put them on this Kamikaze course, and it's too late to pull out of the dive. Don't even bother to load your guns. Sit back and watch the wreck. It will be fun. Bill T.
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The citizens of every military dictatorship in history thought the same thing. "They won't shoot/imprison/torture me. I went to high school with that guy/taught her third grade". Guess what, military training is brainwashing. I don't mean that in a bad way, its just that it gets us to sublimate our most basic instincts, like survival and "thou shalt not kill" in the service of the country as defined by those above you. You may hope our troops snap out of it. I don't. Hell in the late "80s, I was trained to fight on the "nuclear battlefield". We were to to do decon with borax, take anti-rad pills, all so we could kill some poor SOB who was dying of radiation sickness right along side of us. Yet the protocol was drilled into our young heads. Its why authoritarian governments use regionally diverse troops. Send the Alabama boys to NY and the yankees to Alabama. You are more of an optimist than me Bill.
FQ13
I remember watching videos of the First Gulf War on TV. In one, US troops had just taken one of the bunkers set out at the border. These bunkers contained Iraqi troops who were rounded up and put into service with no training. They were, however, told to fight till death because the US Troops, being so far from home, had run out of food and would eat POWs.
Well, The video showed the first Iraqi emerging from one of the bunkers. He was clearly terrified and appeared to be begging, no doubt for his life. The US soldier, while keeping him covered with his M16, reached out with a comforting hand as if saying "It's OK. We won't hurtl you".
I was never more proud to have these men in our Armed Forces. I know he was also frightened, not knowing what to expect, but his compassion for a fellow human who was terrified of him was plain to see.
It might not have been the wisest move in while taking prisoners, but it was the most honorable.
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As most of ya'll know by now I work for a class one railroad and can shed a little light on the amount of railcars in mothballs. Here is a little bit from the U.P. railroad (State of the Business) post on our companies website this past week.
State of the Business
February 22, 2010 | 11:45 a.m. CST
"State of the Business" is a weekly update of Union Pacific's network. It provides an overview of the railroad's current status, outlook drivers and new business.
Current Status
Seven-day carload rate is up about 5,400 from the prior week to 167,600.**
About 1,600 locomotives are in short- and long-term storage, 39,000 freight cars stored and 3,600 TE&Y employees furloughed.
As ya'll can see the Economy still has are carloads down enough to require 39,000 cars to be stored in mothballs. This time last year this number was closer to 70K. We got to put them somewhere!!!
I am not saying that the Government doesn't have several plans as to how they would deal with a real Revolt. (They seem to love to pay Millions to plan just about everything) But all this does seem to be at least a bit extreme :o Killing my wife and kids is NOT going to make me Complacent! What was it Yamato said after the bombing of Pearl Harbor? "I think we just woke a sleeping Giant!" I don't care what uniform your wear or not. Harm mine and I won't hesitate!
Just my thoughts.... 8)
Cutter
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I don't care what uniform your wear or not. Harm mine and I won't hesitate! Cutter
That's pretty much my attitude as well. I don't bother or harm anyone. I am a burden to no one. Don't bother me, and I will treat you the same. If they want to make trouble where none exists, so be it. Bill T.
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Wow! Thats a pretty elitist view of our military. You do realize of course, that our military is the best trained most highly educated force on the planet? Hell one of the primary requirements in our military academies is ethics. Our soldiers take extraordinary measures to avoid civilian casualties. That mentality doesn't disappear.
Also, the reason for this "brainwashing" to use your word is to eliminate the individual and force you to work as a team. And that is the way 90% of the soldiers I know feel about it. It doesn't matter where you're from, you are an American soldier and I'm proud to fight by your side.
Even you FQ could kill a man with a weapon pointed at you. You don't even have to think about it. But ask yourself, could you look into the eyes of a scared, defenseless person, and pull the trigger just because your government told you to? I think you should give our military a lot more credit for morality, and conscience . Because your comments here are starting to sound very John Kerryish.
Having never wind surfed I resent the Kerry comment. ;D I also think we're having two different arguments. Do I believe our troops are going to participate in a tinfoil defecient, Alex Jones fantasy of blindly following the anti-christ/UN/Free Mason/Great Pumpkin plot to round people up and send them in specially designed box cars to FEMA death camps with shiny new Guillotines? No. Do I think that in a condition of civil unrest such as the LA riots or Katrina that its going to be the rare soldier who says "That's an unlawful order Colonel, I refuse to obey"? Again yes. File a complaint later yes, but refuse an order to sieze a gun, forcibly evacuate, enforce an illegal curfew or the like under arms in the field I am not so confident. No elitism or lack of love for the army, just looking at the historical record.
FQ13
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Well, I might as well jump in with both feet.
First, seriously?!
There is a thread that is now 5 pages long on this? Just because some clown has a couple of links to other clowns (M'ette I'm not talking your original post, but what it contains so keep the powder dry :D). Admittedly, I only read part of the drivel and then fast forwarded to the comments by my comrades here. That's the best stuff anyway. ;D
As I have previously mentioned, I only read part of the offering and didn't notice the Alex Jones trademarked "judas goat" epithet that surely must be hidden in this donkey excrement. If not Alex Jones, it must have been authored by someone of the same ilk: pure fantasy.
I am not naive. Yes, those with power can use said power in evil ways but I would ask everyone involved in this little thought experiment to remember actual events. This great republic will not end in a roar but a whimper. It will be the death of a thousand paper cuts. Incremental-ism is the enemy, not a phantom declaration of martial law. Spend your time more constructively. Fight tooth and nail for every incremental revocation of our God given rights. Bush and the vast majority of Congress wanted to push through an amnesty bill. Well, if memory serves... Obama wanted "health care reform" and cap and trade before August of '09 and he and his minions are still trying to shine up those turds. The point here being, when the rubber hits the road the American people will eventually, dragging and screaming, get their elected representatives to see the light or suffer a fate worse than death: not being re-elected.
Again, seriously!? Guillotines? You folks are better than that.
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Broso...buddy...it gets more clear if you put some of the heavy duty tinfoil on your head. It shields you from the government's faux rays. The faux rays create an illusion of peace and welfare....beware the faux rays. Keep your tinfoil on.
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http://www.city-data.com/forum/attachments/elections/14922d1203442021-obama-illegals-share-same-message-n522306244_197290_3718.jpg (http://www.city-data.com/forum/attachments/elections/14922d1203442021-obama-illegals-share-same-message-n522306244_197290_3718.jpg)
I'm set. Thanks. ;D
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Wow! Thats a pretty elitist view of our military. You do realize of course, that our military is the best trained most highly educated force on the planet? Ever ! Hell one of the primary requirements in our military academies is ethics. More than Congress
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100226/ap_on_go_co/us_ethics_rangel
WASHINGTON – Rep. Charles Rangel, the most powerful tax-writing lawmaker in Congress and a 40-year veteran of Capitol Hill, acknowledged Thursday that an ethics panel has accused him of accepting corporate money for Caribbean trips in violation of House rules.
The findings are certain to raise questions of whether Rangel, a New York Democrat, can continue as Ways and Means Committee chairman in an election year. Democrats took over the House in 2006 on a campaign promise to "end a culture of corruption" in Congress that they blamed on 12 years of Republican rule.
The ethics panel also ended another widespread investigation Thursday, saying it found no violations of House rules by seven lawmakers who steered government money and projects and contracts to favored companies that donated to their re-election campaigns.
A copy of the letters and an accompanying report on them were obtained by The Associated Press. All seven — five Democrats and two Republicans — are or were senior members of the House Appropriations Committee.
The most prominent of the them was the late Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., the former chairman of the defense appropriations subcommittee who died earlier this month. The other six lawmakers exonerated in that probe are Reps. Norman Dicks, D-Wash.; Jim Moran, D-Va.; Marcy Kaptur, D-Ohio; Peter Visclosky, D-Ind.; Todd Tiahrt, R-Kan.; and C.W. "Bill" Young, R-Fla.
The appropriations went to companies represented by a now-defunct lobbying firm known as PMA Group — formerly Paul Magliocchetti Associates.
Our soldiers take extraordinary measures to avoid civilian casualties. That mentality doesn't disappear.
Also, the reason for this "brainwashing" to use your word is to eliminate the individual and force you to work as a team. And that is the way 90% of the soldiers I know feel about it. It doesn't matter where you're from, you are an American soldier and I'm proud to fight by your side.
Even you FQ could kill a man with a weapon pointed at you. You don't even have to think about it. But ask yourself, could you look into the eyes of a scared, defenseless person, and pull the trigger just because your government told you to? I think you should give our military a lot more credit for morality, and conscience . Because your comments here are starting to sound very John Kerryish.
I bet the people of Russia and Germany, thought the same thing .
But you are not looking at it from the right angle, The Military and Police are a nationally linked Bureaucracy, the first tier are pretty predictable, that's the "Paper Pushers who will simply push the papers, whether they be to free slaves or machine gun Bosnian Muslim men .
The next level is resistance needs to start, Unit Commanders will decide for themselves and their troops will most likely obey them with no idea what the situation actually is.
Having never wind surfed I resent the Kerry comment. ;D I also think we're having two different arguments. Do I believe our troops are going to participate in a tinfoil defecient, Alex Jones fantasy of blindly following the anti-christ/UN/Free Mason/Great Pumpkin plot to round people up and send them in specially designed box cars to FEMA death camps with shiny new Guillotines? No. Do I think that in a condition of civil unrest such as the LA riots or Katrina that its going to be the rare soldier who says "That's an unlawful order Colonel, I refuse to obey"? Again yes. File a complaint later yes, but refuse an order to sieze a gun, forcibly evacuate, enforce an illegal curfew or the like under arms in the field I am not so confident. No elitism or lack of love for the army, just looking at the historical record.
FQ13
I need to buy a lottery ticket, I think FQ summed up my opinion pretty well.
I think it will be just like Lexington.
Both sides were looking for "Someone" to decide whether or not to fire, Then "some did, then EVERYBODY did.
The Infamous "Boston Massacre" happened because 6 soldiers misheard their officers order "For God's sake, don't FIRE !"
They only heard "FIRE!" while they were being Jeered, Jostled, and pelted with snowballs. So they did.
Kent State presents an even better example though, of a confused situation getting out of control at a political Rally (Chicago, 1968, Dem convention . )
The US Military has already been used in exactly that way. George Washington led out the entire Army to put down the "Whiskey Rebellion".
Then of course there was the first Civil War where in some cases troops not only fired on "Fellow Americans"but some times they fired at relatives and life long friends.
Any body ever heard of the "Bonus Marchers" and the story of how on Presidential Orders, Gen. MacArthur ordered troops under Capt. Patton to use bayonets, tear gas and Tanks, to disperse a protester shanty town Composed of homeless WWI veterans forced out of work by the Depression
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Damn~~ Talk about some input....I actually think Warph posted it on another thread to get them all stirred up.. ( which it did) and by golly I'd say it worked on this one too. I didn't mean for it to make anyone crazy..
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I took nothing personal Brosometel... I didn't write it.. I only copied and pasted and posted.. :)
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Ok... after I posted it got me to thinking ..so I looked around a bit... found this....)
I understand that the "articles" were stretched a bit.. but still .. something tells me the foundation is being laid....
According to reports the guillotine is used to bleed them out and use body parts for medical purposes. I guess they'll cram 3 or 4 to a plastic casket of what is left of the bodies, bury them or burn them. Pretty gruesome crap, isn't it. And it may be nothing but CRAP... but I'll keep searching since it has got my interest peaked..
Fema Camp in Madison, GA - Coffins Investigated
Portable prisons in Utah.... maybe for protesters
The manufacturer of the Coffins: http://www.polyguardvaults.com/
Millions of Plastic coffins found all over America - paid for by your own tax-dollar. These are CREMATORIUM coffins - for the American people, held on FEMA leased land.
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The first video seems to be misleading in 2 respects:
1. They persist in calling these "casket liners" when in fact the manufacturer calls them vaults.
2. They are presented for use improperly, again according to the manufacturer. The flat "lid" is actually the bottom, and the large tub-like structure is the top, as it it goes over the casket. Hence its reference as the vault.
All this does not address the question as to why .gov seems to feel the need to stockpile a field full of these. Nor does it mean they can't be used as described in the video.
I think there's a whole crap-load of stuff .gov is doing we know nothing about.
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All this does not address the question as to why .gov seems to feel the need to stockpile a field full of these. Nor does it mean they can't be used as described in the video.
If you listen to the beginning of the clip, you hear that the owner of the property said that the "liners" (actually vaults used for covering caskets and keeping the ground over them from sinking when the casket decays), belonged to the CDC. That is the Center for Disease Control. They're the ones that were convinced not long ago that H1N1 was going to kill millions. When it didn't happen, I'm sure they needed a place to store all the ordered "liners" they thought they'd need. I'd be more angry about the waste of tax payers money for these, and the subsequent storage fees involved. But, then, when did our government ever care about spending too much money?
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If you listen to the beginning of the clip, you hear that the owner of the property said that the "liners" (actually vaults used for covering caskets and keeping the ground over them from sinking when the casket decays), belonged to the CDC. That is the Center for Disease Control. They're the ones that were convinced not long ago that H1N1 was going to kill millions. When it didn't happen, I'm sure they needed a place to store all the ordered "liners" they thought they'd need. I'd be more angry about the waste of tax payers money for these, and the subsequent storage fees involved. But, then, when did our government ever care about spending too much money?
This actually sounds pretty reasonable to me.
But I am a firm believer in not overestimating my Govt.
If it MIGHT be a "Conspiracy", or it MIGHT be an amateurish screw up, due to ignorance or self promotion, I will allows bet on the screw up.
The idea that those pinheads could not conspire "secretly" with out screwing up or blabbing to the press is, in fact, comforting. ;D
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Again, like Tom, I have time to buy a lotto ticket as he has made my larger point. The US government failed to turn a profit selling beer and renting pussy outside of Las Vegas. What are the odds of it pulling half of this off? Just look at the not yet dead Fidel Castro. The anti-government conspiracyn nuts rave about how inefficient DC is, except when it comes to multi-year conspiracies involving tens of thousands of minions at one stage or another. Then they're infallible. Hell, if FEMA is that good, why were their still blue tarps on Fl. roofs two years ago? Why is NO not fixed? Oh, wait, they're just PRETENDING to be incompetant. It all goes to show how fiendishly clever they are. ::) It boils down to Occam's razor. The simplest expanation is usually the correct one. I hear hoof beats and think horses. These guys hear them and think genetically modified war zebras ridden by UN commandos.
FQ13
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Again, like Tom, I have time to buy a lotto ticket as he has made my larger point. The US government failed to turn a profit selling beer and renting pussy outside of Las Vegas. What are the odds of it pulling half of this off? Just look at the not yet dead Fidel Castro. The anti-government conspiracyn nuts rave about how inefficient DC is, except when it comes to multi-year conspiracies involving tens of thousands of minions at one stage or another. Then they're infallible. Hell, if FEMA is that good, why were their still blue tarps on Fl. roofs two years ago? Why is NO not fixed? Oh, wait, they're just PRETENDING to be incompetant. It all goes to show how fiendishly clever they are. ::) It boils down to Occam's razor. The simplest expanation is usually the correct one. I hear hoof beats and think horses. These guys hear them and think genetically modified war zebras ridden by UN commandos.
FQ13
:o ;D :o
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It boils down to Occam's razor. The simplest expanation is usually the correct one.
FQ13
More like Hanlon's razor: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."
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More like Hanlon's razor: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."
;D EXACTLY ! ;D
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A Burial Vault is an outside receptacle or container, in which the casket and remains are placed, at the time of burial. This helps to maintain the above ground aesthetics of the grave site.
Polyguard Burial Vaults are now manufactured using an injection moulding process, and constructed of non-biodegradable, water and chemical resistant polymers.
From the website.
The first video was mentioning 2005. Hmmm. Let me put my thinker in high gear. What was the media "crisis" in 2005 ? (hint: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Katrina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Katrina)). I don't mean to marginalize the victims of Katrina, but if you were listening to the MSM, there were bodies everywhere. Not to mention all the formerly buried folks that the storm surge might float to the surface. Kinda like in the the first Gulf War (http://www.nytimes.com/1991/01/16/us/confrontation-gulf-war-supplies-somber-workers-press-fill-rush-order-for-body.html?pagewanted=1 (http://www.nytimes.com/1991/01/16/us/confrontation-gulf-war-supplies-somber-workers-press-fill-rush-order-for-body.html?pagewanted=1))
I will now yield the balance of my time and refer everyone back to the comments of FQ13 and Tom...