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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: Badgersmilk on December 02, 2009, 09:00:28 AM
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http://www.ltspecpro.com/hahudoun.html ;D
Side note: They've got a THREE pack of factory second Bushmasters on sale for $30 bucks.
http://www.ltspecpro.com/bushmanseries.html
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a .44 mag is a powerfull handgun, and in the right hands you see what can happen. Wonder what Hornady round he was using ?
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Just like almost everything else these days...don't need one, would like to have one, can't afford it right now. Bears reported around the area so it could be very useful with heavy loads and fun with lighter loads.
Richard
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When it was first introduced back in the 30's One guy (I forget his name) took one of EVERY game animal in North America with a .357 Magnum. And that works for concealed carry a lot better than the .44 too.
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Just finished most of my Christmas shopping on the Special Projects website , some great prices on swords .
Paso Tom
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The .44 Mag is a fine catridge but hyped too much by the press and movies.
Most cannot hit with it since they fear the recoil.
Some carry it around here for bears but I'd pack a 10mm Glock to give me time to get to either my 12 ga pump with 00 buck or slugs or my Marlin 45-70.
The GLOCK packs a few more rounds than the revolver ( which is true for the 450 and 460 ) and loaded right will protect you.
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When it was first introduced back in the 30's One guy (I forget his name) took one of EVERY game animal in North America with a .357 Magnum. And that works for concealed carry a lot better than the .44 too.
1935
Major Douglas Wesson
Antelope - 200 yards (2 shots)
Elk - 130 yards (1 shot)
Moose - 100 yards (1 shot)
Grizzly Bear - 135 yards (1 shot)
The Antelope was hit the first time at 125 yards. It ran, stopped and was shot the second time at 200 yards. The second shot killed it.
The Bull Elk was killed with one shot through the lungs.
The Moose was shot in the chest near the base of the neck. It cut the 2nd rib, passed through both lungs, sheared the 8th rib on the off side and stopped just under the hide. No follow-up shot was required.
These animals were taken on a Fall hunt in Wyoming, near the West entrance of Yellowstone Park. The Grizzly was taken later in Canada.
The above game was taken using factory loads which were a 158 gr. bullet at 1515 fps from an 8 3/4" barreled S&W producing 812 ft. lbs of muzzle energy. (S&W later shortened the barrels to 8 3/8" as we have today)
To those who criticized, the Major replied that they "..had not the slightest conception of what we have accomplished in ballistics.." - a statement that still applies today.
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How do you get a 44mag, let alone a handgun, into Australia?
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In the right hands, with the right loads, recoil is not that bad. Model 29. Yes, that one,... ;D
From the shooter with my favorite back yard...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk0awc6QyHQ
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I'm a big fan of the 300 grn Xtp, and the 320 gascheck big meplat bullets at 1200 - 1300 fps, much better recoil than the barn burner 180's and 240's, and so far completely accurate, 2" at 50 yds and if you can hold her 4" at 100 yds, this is a 5" barrel model 29 classic hunter.
How handy, very handy, compared to what exactly I don't know what your asking, not disagreeing, my .41 mag 4" is very handy as well.
I like the 10mm, but heavy bullets have become my thing, over the years, If I go to big bear country, the heavy projectile revolver will probably be what I carry on the hip. And yes to get to my 12 gauge or rifle, certainly hope the first volley does not make me run too far to get either.
Good video though.
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other then bear defence, I can't think of another reason to get one. Yeah there is the want factor, but I'm past that stage in my gun buying. a 357, is more then powerful enough to kill any game animal I might hunt.
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Handy because of its sheer versatility...a downloaded version at .44 Special velocities is a legendary self-defense cartridge...hotted up, it can be used to cap a velociraptor. It tends to be a surprisingly forgiving cartridge when reloading...hard to find a round that won't shoot well.
It I had to run out of the house with one and only one handgun, it'd be a .44 Magnum...
Michael B
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Just like almost everything else these days...don't need one, would like to have one, can't afford it right now.
By golly if that ain't the truth I don't know what is! Heck, I'd just like a Super Blackhawk in .45 Colt to play with!
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Handy because of its sheer versatility...a downloaded version at .44 Special velocities is a legendary self-defense cartridge...hotted up, it can be used to cap a velociraptor. It tends to be a surprisingly forgiving cartridge when reloading...hard to find a round that won't shoot well.
It I had to run out of the house with one and only one handgun, it'd be a .44 Magnum...
Michael B
+1 on all that. ;)
You can load it light enough to match .45 ACP velocities, or hot enough to mash a moose. Either way I believe it's reputation for recoil is far worse than the reality of it. That said, I'm sure if one were to choose a little titainium snubby with wood grips just specifically to punish themselves, it'd be up that task to. ;D
For me. Hornady XTP's (180-300grain), Winchester brass, Federal match primers, and Hodges H110 make for all kinds of .44 mag fun! ;D ;D ;D
The video was just fun (even the fourth time I watched it). :)
When is Ruger going to bless us with a modern semi-auto carbine in this caliber?!?!? On my wish list would be the rotary magazine from their bolt gun, a decent laminat, or synthetic stock (not like the bolt gun), a MUCH simplified trigger mechanism / action than that of the "Deerslayer", and a barrel that can be changed out by the end user. Look at the success the 10/22 has enjoyed with these things!
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http://www.handloads.org/loaddata/default.asp?Caliber=44+Magnum&Weight=All&type=Handgun&Order=Powder&Source=
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Personally I don't think the recoil from a .44 mag with 240 grain factory loads is too bad from a 5 and half inch barreled Ruger Redhawk or a 6 and a half inch barreled Vaquero. I have not shot any heavier round though.
A little bigger than a .44 mag, but this was a great shot. 176 yard shot on a Grizzley from a custom .475 Linebaugh revelover.
http://www.dustinlinebaugh.com/alaska-grizzly-hunt.htm
Dustin Linebaugh took a lot of flack on some of the forums for taking this shot, but in my opinion he new what he was doing and more than capable of making the shot.
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The only .44 mag that I've had a lot of experience with is my Super Blackhawk Hunter. I used it to hunt black bear, in Maine, a few years ago and fired a lot of rounds of different weights and powder charges. I did upgrade to Hogue grips, instead of the cool looking grey wood grips, since I have big hands, but had no trouble whatsoever with recoil. (Even when firing one handed.) The .44 mag, in my opinion, has a more comfortable "push" recoil instead of a "snap", which I find harder to control for follow up shots. I'm a huge fan of .45s, but like MB, if I had to choose one handgun, the combination of accuracy and power would make the .44 mag my only choice out of the calibers I have experience with.
Swoop
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A friend of mine kept telling me to get a .44 mag and eventually I picked up my 4" 629. I love shooting it and carry it out hunting with me. My dad liked it so much he picked up a 6" for taking to Alaska. As for versality, my mom loves shooting the .44 special cowboy loads with it. I also find the recoil is different from my .357. Reloading is what makes the .44 Mag really shine.
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A friend of mine kept telling me to get a .44 mag and eventually I picked up my 4" 629. I love shooting it and carry it out hunting with me. My dad liked it so much he picked up a 6" for taking to Alaska. As for versality, my mom loves shooting the .44 special cowboy loads with it. I also find the recoil is different from my .357. Reloading is what makes the .44 Mag really shine.
Same for the .45 Colt.
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Handy because of its sheer versatility...a downloaded version at .44 Special velocities is a legendary self-defense cartridge...hotted up, it can be used to cap a velociraptor. It tends to be a surprisingly forgiving cartridge when reloading...hard to find a round that won't shoot well.
It I had to run out of the house with one and only one handgun, it'd be a .44 Magnum...
Michael B
That's what I've heard from a variety of different reloaders... It makes me wonder what this guy did to cause this...
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DAMN!
Looks like someone used the wrong type powder.
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Even Dirty Harry stuck with Factory Loads!!!!!!
Lucky it blew up vertically,... Shows the strength of the rest of the frame though...
He is now a proud member of the .38 Special Club,.... ???
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I wouldn't think a double load would have fit in the case... But to blow up a Super Redhawk!!!!! WOWEEE!!! That took a special kind of stupid!
Didn't Dirty Harry say something about using "A special light load"? Though you'd never know it the way they show the recoil in the movies.
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It's a S&W 29
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On second look, aren't we both wrong? Looks like a regular Redhawk.
My "Super": :)
(http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww40/BigCheeseStick/P1010413.jpg?t=1259973305)
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It's a Smith & Wesson You can see the S&W logo and the cylinder release.
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i'd guess wrong powder.
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Maybe not the wrong powder, just way too damn much of it!!!
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To blow off like that... Maybe BOTH!
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If CCW isn't a concern, its hard to beat a .44 mag. MB has it right, .44 special for SD, mags for hunting. The .357 will work as well and both are a nice as a two gun rig with a carbine. Thats the only thing that would stop me from going with the .454 cassull and down loading to .45 Colt. I agree with Badger on his wish for Ruger to give us a good .44 mag semi carbine, but there are plenty of bolts and levers out there. IMHO, recoil isn't much worse than .357 and if hunting for deer and up is part of the game, why not?
FQ13
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Only happened once for me, shooting a SAA in 44/40 that my boss loaded for someone else, and asked me to shoot for group. Top strap through the ceiling, 1/3 x 2 of the cylinder into the side barriers at the range. 1/3 cylinder left on the revolver and 1/2 of the case left in the 1/2 of that particular cylinder. What you see was an overcharge, or improper powder selection, I go for overcharge.
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That's what I've heard from a variety of different reloaders... It makes me wonder what this guy did to cause this...
That makes my eyes hurt! SUCH A WASTE!!! :-[
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Yet ANOTHER thread that makes me want my Ruger Redhawk back.