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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: L.E. Keeney on December 05, 2009, 06:29:30 PM
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Looks like its in a G21SF
http://www.wtov9.com/news/21866969/detail.html
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Maybe Glock's aren't perfect after all. I wonder what he was feeding that beast. A brand new G21 dead, that is a sad story.
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a glock 21 is 45 acp right? 45 acp is low presure round, so either the gun was really messed up or there was a reloading mistake.
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There have been "kaboom" postings before regarding the Glock which gets the most press....
As a G21 owner, I have seen these pistols tortured, yes literally tortured. and still function. The links are here in the archives. Buried, placed in buckets of sand, dirt mud, thrown from airplanes, dragged behind trucks over pavement, and still work. I was late to the "dark side" of Glock ownership, but do not believe it is a Glock issue.
History, on some posts, has shown a failure of ammo to perform. LEO's get specific ammo from specific ammo manufacturers. If there is more to this story after the follow up investigation, I'd love to read about it.
There is simply too few parts to the G21 for it to kaboom. If the round is in battery, and there is no obstruction in the barrel, it goes downrange.
It can't double feed, or cycle after a misfire, UNLESS it is done manually. Look at where the damage is. It's at the breech. Not anywhere down the barrel.
It was an ignition issue at the source, ie firing pin strikes bad round.
Just my humble .02 cents, and I still love my M+P 8)
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The chief believes bad ammunition caused this bizarre accident, but he's looking into it further.
Most of these incidents are.... usually hot hand loads
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I had a coworker ruin a G21 after he fired numerous "hot" handloads through it. He was shooting a qualifier with factory Golden Sabre round when it went Kabom. Magazine was eject down and he had numerous cuts to his strong hand.
He took the blame and ribbing for it. Never tried +P+++ rounds again.
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Classic overload scenario, or slightly out of battery when fired, the pressure went down on the least supported side of the case, the feed ramp. I bet the case has a nice large hole at 6 o'clock. I have seen double charges in the Glock 21, you could hear the different report, but it did not blow the trigger out, or split the frame, it did enlarge the chamber area enough, you could not beat the slide away enough to eject the case. I would like to see pictures of the disassembled pistol and empty case.
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I'm going to have to call a buddy in the Marshall Co Sheriffs office and see if he can take a few for me. Its a 15 minute drive. Or even better a 2 sec phone call.
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The news report said it was a new gun and had never been used before. I wonder if the bore was checked before they used it. If the bore was clear, than I wonder if there was a defect in the metal itself.
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Perhaps its the new Generation 4.
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I have seen a Glock35 damaged like that a couple years ago. The gun was new out of the box and the owner never checked or cleaned gun do to the "newness" and there was an obstruction in the barrel possibly from factor/distrubitor/shipping...who knows but the same damaged frame and a very sore officer's hand. As a matter of fact if I remember correct the guy ended up shooting his new offduty weapon, that he also just bought, right after the accident. Which (I think) was the G36 or G27 by the way, which I personally gave a good once over prior.
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I have a buddy that double charged a reload in a glock 23. the resulting detonation didn't harm the gun but the case split all the way around near the base and pushed the primer out. He was a lot more attentive to the reloading process after that. ???
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It can happen to any machine. Bottom post on page 2
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=10084.10#quickreply
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I got that middle photo in a email the other day.
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At least it was a perfect kaboom! ;D Seriously, they say don't shoot reloads in the thing. So try not shooting reloads, I mean hell, hardball practice ammo is cheap. Why tempt fate AND have a bunch of snarky Austrians laughing at you back in the home office? "Here ist the the picture of the American dumpkopf Hans". "Did ve not not varn him Franz". "Ja, ve did, but he had to (altoghther) PUMP IT UP". ;)
FQ13
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Some people can break an anvil with a tooth pick.
I can't think of a normal load I've ever done that filled less than half the case. So even if you did totally mind fart and double charge a round you'd have powder spilled around the case on the press (CLUE!). Unless people are making loads they WANT to blow up... I don't really get how it's happening.
.45 ACP chamber pressures average between 14,000 and 19,000, average for most other calibers is between 30,000 and 55,000. Some "max pres. loads" hit close to 60,000. I'm sure some companies may make up their own rules, but I'd always heard it was industry standard to fire at least one 75,000psi pressure round in all new firearms made.
"Hold my beer and watch this" may be an especially bad idea when reloading. :( But then it DOES thin the stupid from the herd. ;)
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Some people can break an anvil with a tooth pick.
I can't think of a normal load I've ever done that filled less than half the case. So even if you did totally mind fart and double charge a round you'd have powder spilled around the case on the press (CLUE!). Unless people are making loads they WANT to blow up... I don't really get how it's happening.
.45 ACP chamber pressures average between 14,000 and 19,000, average for most other calibers is between 30,000 and 55,000. Some "max pres. loads" hit close to 60,000. I'm sure some companies may make up their own rules, but I'd always heard it was industry standard to fire at least one 75,000psi pressure round in all new firearms made.
"Hold my beer and watch this" may be an especially bad idea when reloading. :( But then it DOES thin the stupid from the herd. ;)
No, it usually doesn't effect the meat head, it gets the poor slob he gives the ammo to. Guy gave my Dad a bunch of .38's he reloaded, after the second squib, I threw the rest in the woods.
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Heck of a bang, I'll bet.
By the way, did anyone notice the muzzle sweep of the reporter's torso, and finger in the trigger guard about halfway through the video?
(I know, I know....it's a broken gun......but still, poor handling)
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Heck of a bang, I'll bet.
By the way, did anyone notice the muzzle sweep of the reporter's torso, and finger in the trigger guard about halfway through the video?
(I know, I know....it's a broken gun......but still, poor handling)
This doesn't surprise me much. Since the media tells us how capable our LEO's are with firearms.
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One of my best buds just told me that he had to cut a M16A2 barrel in half for a investigator. I guess that someone left a section of a cleaning rod in a barrel and another soldier picked it up and went to the range and now they have some additional face percings.
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My advice, avoid reloads and lead ammo in Glocks period. Not only does it void the warranty but it is unsafe. Hopefully the deputy will recover without permanent damage to his hand.