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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: philw on December 08, 2009, 10:56:20 PM
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http://www.news.com.au/world/us-executes-inmate-with-single-drug/story-e6frfkyi-1225808500116
Kenneth Biros executed in the US
First inmate to die by 'one drug' injection
Executed for killing 22-year-old girl
OHIO has put to death a convicted murderer with just one drug in a new procedure that has opened up a host of legal and ethical questions over lethal injection and capital punishment.
Critics held that Kenneth Biros, sentenced to death for killing and dismembering a 22-year-old woman in 1991, was a human guinea pig being subjected to an untested procedure.
Those in favour said the new method will be more humane and efficient than the three-drug cocktail used in 34 of the 35 other states where capital punishment is still practised in the US.
"It is a unique execution protocol in the country," said Julie Walburn, the state prisons spokeswoman for Ohio, which switched to the new method in November after a disastrous attempt to execute another inmate, Romell Broom.
Executioners spent two hours in September searching for a vein to inject Broom - convicted of the rape and murder of a 14-year-old girl - failing 18 times to insert a needle before giving up.
All executions in the state were put on hold while Ohio searched for an alternative to the old method, which uses one drug to anesthetise, another to paralyse and a third to stop the heart.
The state's new plans are to use just the anesthetic drug - thiopental sodium - but in a dose two-and-a-half times greater than the amount usually administered.
The new protocol also includes a back-up option that means executioners can deliver an intramuscular injection containing massive doses of two chemicals, a sedative and a painkiller, if they cannot find a vein.
The process can be repeated three times until the prisoner is dead.
Opponents of the three-drug method say it is cruel because the inmate can suffer extreme pain if the first drug fails to work properly.
A lawyer for 51-year-old Biros - executed at the so-called "death house" prison in Lucasville, Ohio, where those awaiting execution spend their last hours - has described the new method as nothing less than "human experimentation".
"The newest protocol calls for the use of drugs and methods that have never been used in an execution in the history of the United States or any other civilised country," he said.
The unsuccessful court filing for a stay of execution argued that the unknown consequences of the new method made the protocol a violation of the constitutional prohibition on "cruel and unusual punishment."
Defence lawyer Timothy Young said he had concerns about the new protocol, in particular over when to begin using the two-drug intramuscular injection.
"Who is going to make the decision to switch? After how long?" he said
Terry Collins, head of the Ohio Department of Rehabilitation and Correction, who has presided over 31 of 32 executions in the state since 1999, dismissed lawyers' doubts as a "smoke screen" aimed at trying to "cloud the issue."
"It's not an experiment drug, it's used in existing protocol and it's used in hospitals all across this nation and in the world" to anesthetise people before surgery, he said.
Biros was originally to be executed in March 2007, but the US Supreme Court put his execution on hold at the 11th-hour because of a federal suit challenging lethal injection procedures.
The US Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of lethal injection in a landmark 2008 ruling.
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Just hit 'em with a massive morphine dosage and say "Good night, Irene".
A bullet to the brain would serve just as well.
And, then there's rope.
Rant time:
Those "it's not supposed to hurt them" bleeding heart folks kill me.
The scum didn't worry about what the victims felt.
Tie 'em behind a horse and drag 'em to death........how 'bout that.
>:(
Back to calm time.....
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You are too kind.
For those bleeding heart liberals.
When these scum rape and murder your mother, wife, daughter, grandmother, or family member then you should feel sorry for them not me.
Second of all the bleeding heart liberals will murder a innocent baby and say that its just a fetus but they don't have the stomach to get rid of a peice of crap. These are the same turds that want to say if you have a dose of cold medicine (some put your BAC at .02) and are hit by a girl going to the abortion clinic to have a abortion and the fetus dies and not the girl they want to convict you of murder. Kind of a double standard.
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A rope is reusable but to quick for them.
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When done correctly, hanging is almost instant death.
There are many methods that would be extremly fast and have very limited pain.
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I give you cruel and unusual punishment. Lock deathrow inmates in with all these dumb ass liberals, Tell them it's for life and they will kill THEMSELVES.
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I give you cruel and unusual punishment. Lock deathrow inmates in with all these dumb ass liberals, Tell them it's for life and they will kill THEMSELVES.
Just put 'em in a room with all four walls covered with blown up photos of Pelosi on them.
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Just put 'em in a room with all four walls covered with blown up photos of Pelosi on them.
Cruel and unusual indeed!
I think we need the old French Tickler instead
(http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k68/warhawke223/Stuff/guillotine.gif)
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What gets me is the "searching two hours for a vein and giving up" part. You knew where his head was, right? I am pretty much neutral on the issue of the death penalty, I don't really care if its that or life without parole as long as the guy is gone for good. But if we are going to do it, the Chinese bullet in the back of the head method sure seems to make the most sense.
FQ13
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Bring back ol SPARKY, public display of hangings or a good old bullet to the head.
This POS and ALL others like him need to be put to death asp. >:(
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I think it is a disgrace that convicted offenders like this guy sat on death row for almost 20 years before the sentence was carried out.....His victims would love to have 20 more years to spend with their families. This POS appealed everything he could to drag it out.....All the way to the supreme court.
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Radio host Neal Boortz has espoused an idea that I could really get behind. He says these scum should be executed in the same way they took the life of their victim. Rape, torture and dismemberment would earn rape, torture and dismemberment. Seems fair. A bullet to the back of the head would earn a bullet to the back of the head. Again, seems fair. What's not fair are countless appeals and 20-years sitting around eating 3-squares and watching TV between workouts in the weight room and playing drop-the-soap in the shower. Appeals should be limited to 60-days max, then the sentence should be carried out. We are in a budgetary crunch, guys, just think of the money we'd save.
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Radio host Neal Boortz has espoused an idea that I could really get behind. He says these scum should be executed in the same way they took the life of their victim. Rape, torture and dismemberment would earn rape, torture and dismemberment. Seems fair. A bullet to the back of the head would earn a bullet to the back of the head. Again, seems fair. What's not fair are countless appeals and 20-years sitting around eating 3-squares and watching TV between workouts in the weight room and playing drop-the-soap in the shower. Appeals should be limited to 60-days max, then the sentence should be carried out. We are in a budgetary crunch, guys, just think of the money we'd save.
Boortz scares me, and cruelty doesn't appeal to me. A priest told us that the true test of character isn't how you perform under pressure, its how you treat a hated enemy who is at your mercy, just as we sinners are at God's mercy. At that point, it isn't about what kind of person they are, its about what kind of person you are. He was anti-death penalty, I'm not. But I do think it should be quick and clean, just like you'd kill an animal. Doing a dirty job is one thing, drawing the process out is something else.
FQ13
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Radio host Neal Boortz has espoused an idea that I could really get behind. He says these scum should be executed in the same way they took the life of their victim. Rape, torture and dismemberment would earn rape, torture and dismemberment. Seems fair. A bullet to the back of the head would earn a bullet to the back of the head. Again, seems fair. What's not fair are countless appeals and 20-years sitting around eating 3-squares and watching TV between workouts in the weight room and playing drop-the-soap in the shower. Appeals should be limited to 60-days max, then the sentence should be carried out. We are in a budgetary crunch, guys, just think of the money we'd save.
While I agree with your attitude. Unfortunately we can't execute the bastards this way. I know I couldn't. There is no way I would be able to perform some of the monsterous acts that these guys have done. I'm just not that twisted. I agree with you that our jails have become nothing more than extra secure health clubs, and our death penalty is a joke. I believe in things like chain gangs, corporal punishment, and old school execution. Public hanging, the electric chair, gas chamber, etc. Extreme maybe, but criminals no longer fear going to the big house. For many of them prison is safer than being out on the street.
We would probably see a dramatic drop in crime, if we were to start making prison a place that criminals fear, and don't want to be. No more tv, no more pampering. Make'em work. If you don't work, you don't eat. If you are seen in the yard stabbing another inmate to death, well, that's what the sharpshooters on the wall are for.
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While I agree with your attitude. Unfortunately we can't execute the bastards this way. I know I couldn't. There is no way I would be able to perform some of the monsterous acts that these guys have done. I'm just not that twisted. I agree with you that our jails have become nothing more than extra secure health clubs, and our death penalty is a joke. I believe in things like chain gangs, corporal punishment, and old school execution. Public hanging, the electric chair, gas chamber, etc. Extreme maybe, but criminals no longer fear going to the big house. For many of them prison is safer than being out on the street.
We would probably see a dramatic drop in crime, if we were to start making prison a place that criminals fear, and don't want to be. No more tv, no more pampering. Make'em work. If you don't work, you don't eat. If you are seen in the yard stabbing another inmate to death, well, that's what the sharpshooters on the wall are for.
BINGO!!
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While I agree with your attitude. Unfortunately we can't execute the bastards this way. I know I couldn't. There is no way I would be able to perform some of the monsterous acts that these guys have done. I'm just not that twisted. I agree with you that our jails have become nothing more than extra secure health clubs, and our death penalty is a joke. I believe in things like chain gangs, corporal punishment, and old school execution. Public hanging, the electric chair, gas chamber, etc. Extreme maybe, but criminals no longer fear going to the big house. For many of them prison is safer than being out on the street.
We would probably see a dramatic drop in crime, if we were to start making prison a place that criminals fear, and don't want to be. No more tv, no more pampering. Make'em work. If you don't work, you don't eat. If you are seen in the yard stabbing another inmate to death, well, that's what the sharpshooters on the wall are for.
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Rope is reusable.
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Rope is reusable.
Use good old, "Manila hemp", not only is it reusable but when you DO throw it away it's also 100% natural and biodegradable.
Green executions ;D
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We had the same discussion those sterile executions done behind walls are removing some of the deterrent factor among the public. It was suggested we should go back to the public execution but with a small change.
If you killed 1 person, your body would hang for one day.
If you killed 2 people, your body would hang for two days.
If you rape and murder someone, your body hangs for two days.
Add up the crimes, add up the days.
If you have ever had the unfortunate experience of smelling a corpse that has been in the sun for awhile you will never forget the stench and the flies. Just maybe that scares someone straight.
Prison is not a deterrent for the career criminal class. It's just part of the job description.
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Let some of these other criminals do the work for us. Build the walls and put them in it and give them the shanks and let them play.
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Take a vote to put it on PayPerView then make the new reality show. You bet the inmates would do it just for their 15minutes of fame. The a percentage of the proceeds could go to the victims or a suitable charity. Could even make that a part of the interactive experience .
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Have a lottery, like for Moose tags or Doe permits.
I know some of you don't approve of "canned hunts". my advice is don't buy a ticket.
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Have a lottery, like for Moose tags or Doe permits.
I know some of you don't approve of "canned hunts". my advice is don't buy a ticket.
Vic's family get entered twice
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i think i would prefer a bullet to the head than being strapped down and drugged nicely.
but come on, was it inhumane when he raped and murdered a 14 year old girl?
f****** liberal pussy commie tofu farting faeries
making me sick.
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They're worried he might feel pain?!? Well BOO EFFING HOO!!!! I HOPE the scumbag sonofabitch DOES feel pain. LOTS of it!!
I've said it before and I'll say it again........sell lottery tickets for $100 a piece and the winner gets to flip the switch.....pull the trigger........drop the gas capsule........whatever. It would help lower the deficit and I'm sure we could find enough people willing to cough up the cash to make it worthwhile. It would beat the hell out of Powerball!!!
And yes, I DO know I'm a sick bastard. ;D
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I'll take "Bowling balls off a ten story building onto the tied-down executionee" for $200, Alex.
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Just hit 'em with a massive morphine dosage and say "Good night, Irene".
A bullet to the brain would serve just as well.
And, then there's rope.
Rant time:
Those "it's not supposed to hurt them" bleeding heart folks kill me.
The scum didn't worry about what the victims felt.
Tie 'em behind a horse and drag 'em to death........how 'bout that.
>:(
Back to calm time.....
Why waste a good horse's time?
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Why waste a good horse's time?
I guess you could just lasso the last car of a passing train. :-\
Someone down the line could just mail the rope back for the next trip.
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I guess you could just lasso the last car of a passing train. :-\
Someone down the line could just mail the rope back for the next trip.
I still say a bullet in the back of the head. Its quick, clean, and cheap (unless you use .380 :D). No 8thA hassels and no moral outrage. I mean idiots like Boortz, who want rapists and torturers to be raped and tortured? Are you signing up for that? Would you want to live across the street from someone who would? No, dead is dead. Quick and clean and be done with the SOB.
FQ13
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Have to agree with FQ on this, Guillotine, axe, bullet, rope.
Who would have punished Jeffrey Dahmer ? Would you want HIM living in YOUR town ?
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I vote for a Gibbet......works like a Guillotine, but with a blunt edged blade.
http://www.guillotine.dk/Pages/gibbet.html
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I vote for a Gibbet......works like a Guillotine, but with a blunt edged blade.
http://www.guillotine.dk/Pages/gibbet.html
"An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Vengeance is MINE says the Lord". I'm Anglican, not Catholic, but I do come fairly close. John Paul II said in his Encycilcal "Pro Vita Sum" that God gave us permission to use the death penalty, just like he gave us permission to divorce in cases of adultery (which broadly defined, means neglect and abuse as well, as they all represent a betrayal of the wedding vow), the point is that neither are pleasing to God. If we can find an alternative to execution, we should. If we can't, do the deed, but do it quick and clean and let God worry about punishment. We are aren't dealing with justice, just self defense as a society. Some people simply need to go, and sooner rather than later. God can deal with them later at His pleasure. Our task is merely to protect the innocent.
FQ13 Who will immediately stop preaching, but thought this needed to be said.
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"An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Vengeance is MINE says the Lord". I'm Anglican, not Catholic, but I do come fairly close. John Paul II said in his Encycilcal "Pro Vita Sum" that God gave us permission to use the death penalty, just like he gave us permission to divorce in cases of adultery (which broadly defined, means neglect and abuse as well, as they all represent a betrayal of the wedding vow), the point is that neither are pleasing to God. If we can find an alternative to execution, we should. If we can't, do the deed, but do it quick and clean and let God worry about punishment. We are aren't dealing with justice, just self defense as a society. Some people simply need to go, and sooner rather than later. God can deal with them later at His pleasure. Our task is merely to protect the innocent.
FQ13 Who will immediately stop preaching, but thought this needed to be said.
You post is based on fallacy FQ.
You are working from the flawed assumption that the death penalty is an act of revenge by society, it is not. It is part of the age old contract between an individual and his society. If you work hard and pay your taxes and uphold the law the community will treat you as a valued member, if you murder, rape, rob, or steal, the community will expel you from the human race.
It is no different than a speeding ticket, You go fast, you get a ticket, you murder, you die.
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FQ13 Who will immediately stop preaching.........
I call BS.
3641 posts preaching at us and you think we are going to believe that you are going to stop now. I think all death row inmates should be counseled by you. After 10 minutes they would be requesting to go to the chair.
;D
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I call BS.
3641 posts preaching at us and you think we are going to believe that you are going to stop now. I think all death row inmates should be counseled by you. After 10 minutes they would be requesting to go to the chair.
;D
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the chair is fine. I just want it quick and clean and with one mandatory appeal 'cause I don't trust the government. I defy the most conservative member of this board to call BS on this.
FQ13
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Guillotine at halftime of Monday Night Football !!!
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Still in most Prisons. Let's the condemned have just a few seconds to realize....THIS is what you get when you are a monster in today's society. August 6th, 1890, America's invention "the chair" was used to execute wife murderer, William Kemmeler.
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/electricchair.jpg)
Well crafted oak chair..
OR,.... another oldie but a goody for scumbags
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/gaschamber1.jpg)
Cyanide pellet into a simple tub of chlorine, basic chemistry. 100% effective.
We are a nation of laws that have consequences. The more serious and horrendous the crime, the consequences should match the lethal nature of the convicted.
Although, Public hangings for drive by gangsters that kill innocent bystanders and children in the crossfire, in THEIR neighborhood would maybe send a message. Firing squads always get the thumbs up for capital crimes.
But we're a "kinder, gentler" nation.
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Old Sparky is to expensive, rope or a bullet to the back of the head. That "Gibbet" thing works for me though. ;D How does it differ from the Guillotine ?
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Old Sparky is to expensive, rope or a bullet to the back of the head. That "Gibbet" thing works for me though. ;D How does it differ from the Guillotine ?
Narrower blade which is basically a piece of 1 1/4" thick steel with a blunt edge. It mashes the head off instead of cutting. There was a show about them on the History channel a while back where they built a replica. It really did some damage to the stand-in head.
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I am a religious man but not of the more contemporary variety, I do believe that we as people and not as the devine must take care of our own. Crime is nurished by the compassion of society, whereas I hold no compassion for crime I do feel we must distinguish ourselves from the accused. Further more I feel we have allowed to much to oclude our judgements and far to often an innocent man is charged for a crime he did not commit. I do stand by our method of judgement but I feel it is in need of alteration.
I feel that when the accused have been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to infact be guilty of a hanious act that they should be exicuted publicly. Further more I feel that the way in which said criminal is exicuted should be decided and carried out by the person most connected to the initialy harmed.
I guess I feel that I have no right to commit somones soul to rest if I have no connection to the crime.