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Member Section => Tactical Rifle & Carbine => Topic started by: billt on December 10, 2009, 02:43:24 PM
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I just got back from J&G Sales in Prescott a while ago. I bought 2, of the 1960 Polish Milled receiver AK-47's they just got in. These guns are nice! Not cheap, but very good quality. They come with a bayonet and scabbard. If you get one go for the non laminated wood. That is what both of mine are, and they don't have the nails in them like the WASR 10 Romanian guns. The wood on these guns varies greatly. The salesman brought out 5 guns for me, plus the display model, so I had a nice choice. J&G only got 20 of these in, and they don't know when or even if they'll be getting any more. It's hit or miss. I bought 2, the salesman told me he put one aside for himself, so that leaves 17 when I walked out of the store at 8:30 this morning. Classic Arms is also selling these, but I don't know how many they have. For anyone interested in a milled receiver AK, jump on this. You won't be disappointed. Milled receiver AK-47's are getting harder to come across at a decent price. These rifles are really nice, and show excellent workmanship. Bill T.
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In my best Doc Holliday voice, "It appee-ahs that Bill is a well-heeled man. Now I really hate him."
Well, not really.....nice find, Bill.
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Very nice pick up Bill, they're in great shape!
Thanks for the porn!! ;D
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Cool for you Bill.
One reason (Besides manufacturing cost ) the milled receivers are getting scarce is that the East European factories that make semi auto AK's also make the Full auto ones and full auto AK's tend to crack milled receivers, apparently the stamped sheet metal that it was designed to use flexes more to absorb the stress.
Not a problem for semi though.
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Bill, can I be put in your will?
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Cool for you Bill.
One reason (Besides manufacturing cost ) the milled receivers are getting scarce is that the East European factories that make semi auto AK's also make the Full auto ones and full auto AK's tend to crack milled receivers, apparently the stamped sheet metal that it was designed to use flexes more to absorb the stress.
Not a problem for semi though.
to add, the milled retain the heat for a ridiculously long time. FullAutos can get SO hot and stay hot long enough to lose temper in the steal.
P.S. I love the Polish AK's man, very jealous .
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For some reason the one bayonet is showing an almost "rusty" condition. It is not. Both of them are beautifully blued. I never thought I would get a milled AK-47. They just seem to be disappearing so fast off the market, and for extremely high prices. I feel blessed of sorts in being able to grab these 2. Bill T.
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I hate BillT!!!!
;)
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I've heard those milled receivers started out as 13 lb block...
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I've heard those milled receivers started out as 13 lb block...
That sounds about right for the size, it works out to a 3-5 pound receiver and 8-10 pounds of chips.
Figure it's a block of steel 1.25 -1.5 inches thick X (8inches ? ) the length of the receiver X (3-4 inches ? ) the height of the receiver.
Note : I had to measure the width of an AK one time and I remember the Dim. but the L and H are guessed from a mental image.
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Nice stuff, good buy at near any price!
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I've heard those milled receivers started out as 13 lb block...
Pretty close, if not exact. This is the kind of machine work you see disappearing from todays arms makers because of the sheer time and tooling costs involved. It's a lot of time, effort, and work to remove all of that metal. Steel machines no where near as easily, or fast as Aluminum. This is the reason you are seeing so much Aluminum today in guns as opposed to steel.
For me that is one of the real hidden beauties of the AK-47 Assault Rifle. Nowhere do you see ANY Aluminum, in either the stamped receiver guns or the milled models. Many stamped guns are beautifully manufactured, and extremely rugged as well. When you look at a AK-47 milled receiver you also have to realize you have to use very small cutters to get at much of the steel that has to be removed. This adds to the machining time, and subsequent cost.
The only current manufacturer of milled receiver AK-47 rifles that I know of is Lancaster Arms here in Goodyear, Arizona, and they start at $899.00.
http://www.lancasterarms.com/NEW%20MILLED%20RECEIVER%20RIFLES%202.html
I have a Lancaster stamped AK, and it is very nicely made as well. Bill T.
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I hate BillT!!!!
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Saying "I hate Bill" is starting to get redundant
:)
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We really need an "I hate BillT smiley". ;D
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BillT has the stock and forearm i want on my SLR95.
Very nice, and excellent pics.
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Nice, and I'm glad you're happy with the rifles! My only gripe is that they don't appear to have actual lightning cuts like my Arsenal, otherwise I might buy one.
Here's what I'm talking about
http://www.helstongunsmiths.com/shop/images/bulgarianAK3jpg.jpg
Have a Merry Christmas, everyone! :)
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The "traditional" lightning cuts were done on a arbor mounted horizontal milling machine. That type of machine has all but fallen by the wayside today. Most all modern CNC horizontal machining centers today don't use arbor mounted key cutters. They just aren't that efficient at removing metal. Most all use some type of spindle mounted end mill. The key slot cutters can still be used, but there is little reason to do so. Bill T.
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Actually, that receiver will crack with very little use. I'll happily give you what you paid for them.
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Actually, that receiver will crack with very little use.
You are not entirely wrong with that statement. It has been proven over millions of AK-47 rifles in the field that the milled receiver models are more prone to cracking under heavy full automatic fire. Not an issue on semi's however. A lot of this had to do with the quality, (or lack thereof), of the steel used in many early models. Most of this disappeared by the late 60's. Russia's space program, much like ours, advanced their metallurgy in one giant quantum leap. Their steel produced today is every bit as good as anything coming out of this country. Bill T.
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way to go bill, nice buy. ;D
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Thanks. They run every bit as good as they look. If another batch of these show up, I advise anyone wanting one to go for it unhesitatingly. Bill T.